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Thursday, March 17, 2016

OT: NCAA March Madness 2016 Thread

I estimate that only 3-5 Primates are interested in college basketball, but I’m betting a few more will be tuned in for the next few weeks. Good luck getting that CBS bumper music out of your skull!

Link goes to “One Shining Moment” video

My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: March 17, 2016 at 09:37 AM | 291 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Red Menace Posted: March 17, 2016 at 02:44 PM (#5177163)
I'm taking a value play on Wichita St in the final four. They're top 10 Kenpom and were ranked highly in the preseason.
   2. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: March 17, 2016 at 02:58 PM (#5177177)
My brackets still look really good.

Eric Hosmer tweeted out his bracket earlier today, accidentally including the password for his pool. So I took a peek and man, Danny Duffy had like six entries. Hope that doesn't get him banned from baseball.
   3. Oriole Tragic feels the flip of you Posted: March 17, 2016 at 03:13 PM (#5177199)
I'm not entered in a bracket (and I haven't seen any non-playin games, yet) but I concur on Wichita State. I'll be shocked (see it?) if they don't handle Arizona pretty easily.

One team I like to go pretty deep is OU. They have a pretty nice potential draw. Miami has a really good team, but a seriously brutal draw.

Also, FTR, I'm a Maryland fan, but I never know which Terps team will show up, this year. The immensely talented one, or the spastic one?
   4. Red Menace Posted: March 17, 2016 at 03:22 PM (#5177208)
Also, FTR, I'm a Maryland fan, but I never know which Terps team will show up, this year. The immensely talented one, or the spastic one?


It doesn't help that they're traveling to Spokane. The injury to Cal's guard is a plus though.
   5. smileyy Posted: March 17, 2016 at 03:39 PM (#5177223)
Yeah, I'm along the same lines with Wichita State. I have them picked to the Sweet 16. They need a better conference; they suffered from playing up, and losing those games. And also from having a crappy conference and taking the conference losses you take when you play on the road in-conference.
   6. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: March 17, 2016 at 03:45 PM (#5177228)
Yeah, I'm along the same lines with Wichita State. I have them picked to the Sweet 16. They need a better conference; they suffered from playing up, and losing those games. And also from having a crappy conference and taking the conference losses you take when you play on the road in-conference.


They also suffered from a terrible selection committee, a group that must have once been assaulted by a marauding gang of mid-majors.
   7. Oriole Tragic feels the flip of you Posted: March 17, 2016 at 03:46 PM (#5177230)
I keep hearing that KU refuses to schedule games against the Shockers. Maybe it's just games @ Wichita State. Is that legend or truth?
   8. smileyy Posted: March 17, 2016 at 03:48 PM (#5177233)
I keep hearing that KU refuses to schedule games against the Shockers. Maybe it's just games @ Wichita State. Is that legend or truth?


My guess is that Wichita State wants a home-and-home and Kansas keeps saying no.

Its pretty common in the college world -- a team refusing to play another in-state team, on the road, especially if there's a perceived prestige difference.
   9. Oriole Tragic feels the flip of you Posted: March 17, 2016 at 03:50 PM (#5177236)
They also suffered from a terrible selection committee


Agreed. This year's NIT has so many legit teams that you wouldn't be able to tell which is the Big Dance and which is the NIT if they just showed the brackets themselves. The real title game should be a playoff between each winner of the NIT and NCAA tourneys.
   10. smileyy Posted: March 17, 2016 at 03:52 PM (#5177239)
Does anyone have a good sense of the quality curve/tiers of college basketball?

My guess is that there's often:
1
2-5
5-15
15-40
40+ that no one cares about
   11. Oriole Tragic feels the flip of you Posted: March 17, 2016 at 03:57 PM (#5177246)
I haven't watched a lot of college, but I'm hearing it's pretty wide open this year. 1-5 is probably the top tier, if I understand your numbers to be NCAA seedings. It might even go 1-7 in some regions.
   12. SouthSideRyan Posted: March 17, 2016 at 04:06 PM (#5177263)
Yikes that Iowa State/Iona game got ugly.
   13. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: March 17, 2016 at 04:16 PM (#5177270)

I keep hearing that KU refuses to schedule games against the Shockers. Maybe it's just games @ Wichita State. Is that legend or truth?


True. KU fans say there is nothing to be gained, but I disagree. Its a quality win to beat them. KU hasn't shied about regular season matchups against good mid-majors before - Davidson, Richmond, etc.

I also share the Wichita State love. They missed VanVleet for some games, and their defense is top notch. Also looking at Stephen F. Austin to make a run. They have March experience, force a lot of turnovers, and Brad Underwood is a terrific coach who is probably on the verge of landing a nice job in a few weeks.
   14. Booey Posted: March 17, 2016 at 05:05 PM (#5177312)
Perfect bracket through 4 games! Woo hoo! :-D
   15. just plain joe Posted: March 17, 2016 at 05:53 PM (#5177349)
Perfect bracket through 4 games! Woo hoo! :-D


Did you have Yale over Baylor?
   16. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: March 17, 2016 at 05:58 PM (#5177353)
Perfect Bracket through 6 games!

I need AR Little Rock to pick up the pace, though.
   17. stevegamer Posted: March 17, 2016 at 05:59 PM (#5177356)
Wichita state got shafted. I am not actually in any bracket pools, but have friends trying to win prizes. For those who know nothing, I gave instructions, and Wichita State was part of the specific instructions going off the charts on how far to pick certain seeds. Once the teams got to the Elite 8, I told them to just pick whomever they wanted, as as pretty much any of the answers gave them a reasonable chance.

I'm happy that I don't have to see the Baylor Fighting Highlighters any longer.

   18. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: March 17, 2016 at 06:03 PM (#5177357)
Of course I have four brackets, so one being undefeated isn't a real surprise. My worst bracket is 3/6, my other two are 5/6... most of that is because I really, really couldn't stand picking Duke to win anything. My brother, who is a grad student at Duke, is hiking in Utah right now. I can't even razz him about how evil and awful his school's team is!
   19. smileyy Posted: March 17, 2016 at 06:17 PM (#5177368)
I want to improve on #10. Can any Excel folks tell me if there's a way to take a set of data like KenPom's pythag% and figure out where the bands/groupings are in it? That sounds like a statistical analysis that Excel could do.
   20. smileyy Posted: March 17, 2016 at 06:19 PM (#5177370)
I realize this is a heuristic, but I figure there's some mechanism to do this?
   21. JJ1986 Posted: March 17, 2016 at 06:55 PM (#5177387)
What the #### is Purdue doing on that last possession? Giving up with 6 seconds and timeouts?
   22. Booey Posted: March 17, 2016 at 06:57 PM (#5177388)
Did you have Yale over Baylor?


Nope, that one screwed me.
   23. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: March 17, 2016 at 06:57 PM (#5177389)
I ####### love March Madness.
   24. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: March 17, 2016 at 06:59 PM (#5177390)
Little Rock got unlucky there, that should have been shots.
   25. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: March 17, 2016 at 07:00 PM (#5177391)
Purdue looks completely discombobulated. They're lucky they're not down 3-4.
   26. Greg K Posted: March 17, 2016 at 07:07 PM (#5177395)
Purdue was Dan Schulman's pick for a dark horse, so he's got a lot riding here!
   27. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: March 17, 2016 at 07:07 PM (#5177396)
Aww, Little Rock is going to just run out of steam.

eta: What's better than overtime? DOUBLE OVERTIME!
   28. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: March 17, 2016 at 07:10 PM (#5177398)
I like the Charles Barkley, Spike Lee, and Samuel L. Jackson commercials. I'm glad that they're back.
   29. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: March 17, 2016 at 07:14 PM (#5177403)
THESE PURDUE PLAYERS THAT AREN'T HAMMONS ALL LOOK AFRAID OF HOW ####### TERRIBLE THEY ARE.
   30. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: March 17, 2016 at 07:32 PM (#5177413)
Talk about an upset. #47 on KenPom beats #11. And even more amazing was the comeback to do it, it'd be one thing if it's the top 10 ranked team storming back against a low seed's big lead, but for the much lower ranked team to do it... wow.

I'd fire Matt Painter.
   31. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: March 17, 2016 at 07:41 PM (#5177421)
Best bracket is up to 8/8! Worst bracket down to 4/8, and in that one I had Purdue as an elite 8 team. Other than the Duke game, though, I'm 25/28 across 4 brackets. It's a less impressive 26/32 when you count the Duke game.
   32. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: March 17, 2016 at 08:30 PM (#5177438)
I correctly picked the Yale-Baylor game by very cleverly pulling things out of my butt.

EDIT: Double-checking, I got the AR-Little Rock game the same way. I'm perfect so far.
   33. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: March 17, 2016 at 09:09 PM (#5177452)
9/9! I challenge Voxter to a "pull things out of your butt" contest, I picked my perfect bracket in 5 minutes this morning before I got out of bed.
   34. stevegamer Posted: March 17, 2016 at 10:14 PM (#5177472)
Purdue really suffered from not having a PG on the floor. How you have a team from a major conference that doesn't have a remotely competent PG to put in against a press in March is completely beyond me, and speaks volumes about the coaching & talent that is there.

   35. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: March 17, 2016 at 10:35 PM (#5177480)

I'd fire Matt Painter.


Then Mizzou can finally hire him!

Wichita State - a great #11 seed, or the GREATEST #11 SEED OF ALL TIME?
   36. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: March 17, 2016 at 10:56 PM (#5177490)
So, going by Kenpom's numbers, the two #11 seeds who play today should have been a 3 and a 7, respectively. Strong work, committee.
   37. Howie Menckel Posted: March 17, 2016 at 11:05 PM (#5177493)
proud (?) to be an alum of the first school eliminated in this year's March Madness field (and by 31, no less)
   38. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: March 17, 2016 at 11:09 PM (#5177494)
Seton Hall is getting eaten alive by Sabonis right now. It's too bad Gonzaga's guards are so bad.
   39. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: March 17, 2016 at 11:18 PM (#5177496)
Wichita State comes correct and they do not #### around.
   40. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: March 17, 2016 at 11:19 PM (#5177497)
So, going by Kenpom's numbers, the two #11 seeds who play today should have been a 3 and a 7, respectively. Strong work, committee.


Well, the Committee also seriously underseeded Purdue, and were proven pretty damned right in doing so. Purdue "should" have been a three seed, and they got taken to the woodshed for the entire final 14 minutes of game time. They were seriously lucky to make it out of the first overtime, and Little Rock was in the mid-40s on KenPom.

And while Wichita being an 11 is definitely ###### up, there isn't much substantive difference between a 7 and 11 seed and it's not even like a 7 or 11 would even end up with a much worse second round matchup.
   41. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: March 17, 2016 at 11:26 PM (#5177499)
Wichita State - a great #11 seed, or the GREATEST #11 SEED OF ALL TIME?


Gonna have to top George Mason to get that spot. Which is fine by me, I have a bracket with them going to the final four.

I wonder what hedge fund office pools are like, do you think they even allow multiple entries? Because I can see every single one submitting a dozen brackets to hedge every likely outcome and once every few years they get black swanned and everyone loses their money to their receptionist who put Butler in the Championship game.
   42. Oriole Tragic feels the flip of you Posted: March 17, 2016 at 11:28 PM (#5177500)
GREATEST #11 SEED OF ALL TIME?


I'll take the 2005-2006 George Mason squad for this. They lost to a *loaded* Gators squad (Noah, Horford, Corey Brewer) in the Final Four. En route to that game, GMU knocked off Michigan State (#6-seed/#27 AP 25), UNC (#3/#10 AP), Wichita State (#7/#35 AP) in the S16, and UConn (#1/#2 AP) in the E8.

That's a hell of a run.

Edit: Coke to @41/AK. I spent too much time on research, but I wanted to relive it.



   43. The permanently sour Dolorous Eddo Posted: March 17, 2016 at 11:28 PM (#5177501)
And while Wichita being an 11 is definitely ###### up, there isn't much substantive difference between a 7 and 11 seed and it's not even like a 7 or 11 would even end up with a much worse second round matchup.

Except Pomerpy has Wichita State in his top ten... so more like a 3 seed than a 7.

I believe Gonzaga was the team Voxter was referring to as "should have been ... a 7".
   44. Tom T Posted: March 17, 2016 at 11:32 PM (#5177505)
Talk about an upset. #47 on KenPom beats #11. And even more amazing was the comeback to do it, it'd be one thing if it's the top 10 ranked team storming back against a low seed's big lead, but for the much lower ranked team to do it... wow.


Ah, but Purdue is exceptionally good at blowing big leads...cf. Iowa, Michigan State, Michigan, you name it. Painter was a crappy player who had no clue how to run an offense when he played, and he coaches the same way. I was in the minority when Mizzou was a-courting in that I was hoping he'd go, but I don't think I'm so rare any longer.

Admittedly, though, UALR was basically the perfect bad match for Purdue. For YEARS Painter has had no clue how to deploy his players to defend teams that rely on quick guard play and outside shooting. For YEARS Painter's teams have had no clue how to beat a press...even one as arguably sorry as was UALR's. (Again, cf. Iowa.) Once we all saw the previews that noted UALR relied on a press, we knew the TOs would be in the teens, and we'd have to have a hot shooting night from one of the guards (e.g., Mathias, Cline, Davis) to win.

On top of that, Painter never has gotten the concept of rotating players in and out...just painful to watch the team standing around toward the end because they had effectively gone 17 minutes of game time (admittedly with between-OT breaks) without getting a bench breather.

Oh, and Painter opting to bench Haas after the flagrant 1 (not sure how someone who is 7'2" could have avoided elbowing the guy, though) and also benching Swanigan (his best rebounder) when they simply needed to (a) get the ball up the court, (b) rebound a miss or two late in the game, and (c) not collapse from exhaustion at altitude...well...that's a special kind of special.

That said...I'm mostly numb to this after 43 years. Kind of hoped for AJ's sake he could pull a JBC, but Painter << Rose.
   45. Oriole Tragic feels the flip of you Posted: March 17, 2016 at 11:39 PM (#5177509)
Shockers up 15 on Arizona in the 2nd. Wow.

It gets tough for both Miami (#15 KenPom) and Wichita State from here on out. They have to play each other next, then the winner is likely getting 'Nova (#5 KenPom) or Iowa (#20 KenPom).
   46. Jose Remains The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: March 17, 2016 at 11:41 PM (#5177511)
This Providemce-USC game is a humdinger.
   47. Oriole Tragic feels the flip of you Posted: March 17, 2016 at 11:46 PM (#5177513)
This Providemce-USC game is a humdinger.


Looks that way. Trying to decide if I need to run out and catch the rest of that one, or just accept that the winner gets waxed in the next round.
   48. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: March 17, 2016 at 11:58 PM (#5177526)
Gonzaga - Seton Hall has been a complete shitshow. Elevation isn't helping -- SH players have been wearing oxygen masks during timeouts.
   49. Booey Posted: March 18, 2016 at 12:00 AM (#5177528)
I wonder what hedge fund office pools are like, do you think they even allow multiple entries?


I work for a Berkshire Hathaway (Warren Buffet) owned company, and Mr. Buffett is offering $100,000 to the employee who stays undefeated the longest (granted, he owns dozens of companies nationwide so we're probably competing against a couple hundred thousand other employees). He's also offering an additional million bucks every year for the rest of your life to any employee that submits a perfect bracket through the first two rounds (all prizes would be split in the case of a tie). So yeah, they're adamant about the one bracket per employee rule. More than one will automatically disqualify all of your submissions.

My company is offering their own $1,000 bonus to our winner, and it also goes by the rules of Warren Buffett's contest (winner is the employee who stays undefeated the longest, not the one with the best overall bracket). The competition for this prize is probably a couple thousand employees.

The department I work in is also doing their own pool (about 20 employees), and this one actually is judged according to the best overall bracket. Winner gets...a Snickers bar. Well, I lost on the 5th game, so I'm out of the running for the million, the 100k, and the 1k. But if I win that Snickers bar I'm going to gloat like crazy.
   50. nick swisher hygiene Posted: March 18, 2016 at 12:06 AM (#5177531)
46-47: !?!?!? Providence-USC finish.....both teams deserved to lose. what was it, 10 straight guys going one-one-three and taking bad shots, only to be bailed out by guys on the other team missing free throws.
   51. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: March 18, 2016 at 12:32 AM (#5177538)
#43 sorry, I should have been clearer about separating the two. I was talking about WuShock and the Zags both, with the Zags being the team where the seeding doesn't matter as much.
   52. Howie Menckel Posted: March 18, 2016 at 01:14 AM (#5177544)

"I wonder what hedge fund office pools are like,"

some of them randomly draw teams, after a 5K or so entry fee, and then each one can be sold throughout the tourney (like stocks, so other financial institutions are involved).

so if you draw Michigan St this year and you hate them, you can sell them immediately for a big profit - and, probably, net even more if you wait to sell as upsets are knocked off the board.

there was a huge Staten Island version that was more blue collar that I think the feds finally decided to bust a few years back.
   53. Zach Posted: March 18, 2016 at 02:49 AM (#5177564)
I keep hearing that KU refuses to schedule games against the Shockers. Maybe it's just games @ Wichita State. Is that legend or truth?

I think Self's position is that he wants to schedule nonconference road games to either appeal to fans in different markets or help with recruiting. Playing a tough game in Wichita doesn't do either. Their schedules have historically been very difficult, so ducking a challenge is probably a lesser concern.
   54. AuntBea Posted: March 18, 2016 at 09:56 AM (#5177650)
   55. Mirabelli Dictu (Chris McClinch) Posted: March 18, 2016 at 11:30 AM (#5177776)
I keep hearing that KU refuses to schedule games against the Shockers. Maybe it's just games @ Wichita State. Is that legend or truth?

I think Self's position is that he wants to schedule nonconference road games to either appeal to fans in different markets or help with recruiting. Playing a tough game in Wichita doesn't do either. Their schedules have historically been very difficult, so ducking a challenge is probably a lesser concern.


There's some truth to that, but I wouldn't completely rule out ducking a challenge.

Wichita State is

1. A non-conference opponent
2. In state
3. Who's good enough to beat them, particularly if they're more up for the game

For Kansas, that's like their 10th most important game of the year, while for Wichita State, that's the game they circle on the calendar. There's no upside in playing that game if you're Kansas. Of course, I say this as a Virginia Tech grad who wishes our football team would stop ####### scheduling ECU for the same basic reason.
   56. stanmvp48 Posted: March 18, 2016 at 11:45 AM (#5177792)
"Gonzaga - Seton Hall has been a complete shitshow. Elevation isn't helping -- SH players have been wearing oxygen masks during timeouts. "

I. Whitehead 4-24 and 0-10.
   57. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: March 18, 2016 at 01:05 PM (#5177878)
There's no upside in playing that game if you're Kansas.
Yep. What's in it for Kansas to play that game? The two possible outcomes are "Do what you're supposed to do" or "Look stupid and give a local team something to hang their hat on".
   58. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: March 18, 2016 at 01:29 PM (#5177898)
Dean Smith never played any in-state schools that weren't in the ACC, for much the same reasons. He also said (I'm paraphrasing), if you play one, you've got to play them all. It was a big deal when the Tar Heels played UNC-Asheville in the 1994 and 1995. That game was scheduled because a UNC assistant had become the UNC-A head coach.
   59. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: March 18, 2016 at 01:50 PM (#5177921)
There's no upside in playing that game if you're Kansas.
Yep. What's in it for Kansas to play that game?


I don't get this mindset at all. The upside is, you beat a pretty good non-con. Heck, you can even play them in Wichita, and it probably wouldn't even be a true road game (lot of KU fans in Wichita). Sure WSU circles the date they would play KU. EVERYONE circles the date against KU. So what?

KU LOST to Wichita State a few years ago in the NCAAs and yea, there was some bruised egos, but somehow the program survived. I don't get avoiding WSU. It would be a lot of fun, you could play the game at Intrust Arena and probably make a fair amount of money, it would benefit KU's SOS, and like I said, it probably wouldn't even be a true road game.
   60. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: March 18, 2016 at 02:22 PM (#5177938)
I love these Oregon State cheerleaders with the flannel shirts over their uniforms.
   61. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: March 18, 2016 at 02:22 PM (#5177939)
The upside is, you beat a pretty good non-con.
Sure, but there are any number of other semi-major programs that you can safely assume will boost your SOS and give you a good non-conference victory if you win. Dayton, Gonzaga, St. Mary's, VCU, St. Joseph's, Valpo, Northern Iowa. If you lose to them, well, that sucks, but there's less downside to it. And if revenue's a concern, raise the price of every ticket by $5 a game. Free money.

edit to add: By semi-major, I'm talking about a combination of program and conference. Obviously Gonzaga has been much, much more than "semi-major" over the past decade, but the WCC is the very definition of semi-major.
   62. The Buddy Biancalana Hit Counter Posted: March 18, 2016 at 02:23 PM (#5177940)
My guess is that Wichita State wants a home-and-home and Kansas keeps saying no.

This is correct. KU is open to scheduling Wichita State, but not playing at Wichita every other year. Between an in-season tournament, the November double-header with Kentucky, Duke, Michigan State, and the December game in Kansas City, they only play one or two true road, non-conference games a season* and don't want to tie that spot up in Wichita for a number of years.

*Partly because they have to make enough revenue from home games to continue to subsidize the football team.
   63. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: March 18, 2016 at 02:42 PM (#5177961)
If you lose to them, well, that sucks, but there's less downside to it.


I still don't understand what the downside is. I mean, they did lose to Wichita State IN THE NCAA TOURNEY no less, and it didn't matter any more or less than any other early exit for KU.
   64. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: March 18, 2016 at 02:58 PM (#5177988)
Holy ####, how is Middle Tennessee up 15-2 on Sparty?!
   65. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: March 18, 2016 at 03:17 PM (#5178007)
Aww, that didn't last long.
   66. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: March 18, 2016 at 03:36 PM (#5178025)
I spoke too soon!
   67. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: March 18, 2016 at 03:48 PM (#5178032)
Rough opening week for the Pac so far, especially if Cal can't catch up to Hawaii. That said, I feel pretty good about Utah winning the Denver pod, if the altitude is going to affect everybody the way it did Gonzaga and Seton Hall.
   68. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: March 18, 2016 at 04:14 PM (#5178044)
Also, my "pull stuff out of your butt" bracket was finally busted when USC lost last night. I'm still perfect other than that, though.
   69. Srul Itza Posted: March 18, 2016 at 04:15 PM (#5178046)
Great Googly Moogly

The 13th seeded University of Hawaii Rainbow Warriors are up 11 with a minute to go.


Time to start singing Hawai'i Pono'i
   70. JJ1986 Posted: March 18, 2016 at 04:16 PM (#5178049)
I want to post this before Michigan State loses and blows my whole bracket.

With the Hawaii win, I'm 18/20, only missing Little Rock and Butler. Pretty sure that's already the best first round I've ever filled out.
   71. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: March 18, 2016 at 04:20 PM (#5178051)
MSU surging. They're gonna win this one by a substantial margin, I bet.

EDIT: If Middle Tenn could shoot FTs for #### they'd be in much better shape. They've got MSU in the bonus already. (Of course, they're 4/5 so far. If they close out shooting FTs like that, they might actually be able to win.)
   72. nick swisher hygiene Posted: March 18, 2016 at 04:45 PM (#5178063)
70--I'm in a similar boat: but am maybe about to lose my first team, and would be delighted if I did--go Middle Tennessee!!!
   73. nick swisher hygiene Posted: March 18, 2016 at 04:56 PM (#5178071)
last 2 seed never to lead in a 2-15 game??
   74. . . . . . . . . . . Posted: March 18, 2016 at 04:58 PM (#5178072)
As a Michigan fan, I'm required to hate MSU, but MTSU shot 60% from 3. That's a shrug-emoticon game if there ever was one.
   75. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: March 18, 2016 at 05:47 PM (#5178093)
That Spartans loss tore the #### out of most of my brackets. I'm stunned, Tom Izzo's #### doesn't work as a high seed?
   76. Random Transaction Generator Posted: March 18, 2016 at 05:49 PM (#5178094)
I've already set fire to my bracket. Eesh.
   77. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: March 18, 2016 at 06:15 PM (#5178107)
I'm not convinced that Tom Izzo has been anything other than a combination of good and lucky. He's not actually a magician.
   78. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: March 18, 2016 at 06:54 PM (#5178127)
That was not a foul on Marshall of SD State. Who the #### are these refs?
   79. just plain joe Posted: March 18, 2016 at 09:32 PM (#5178165)
Dean Smith never played any in-state schools that weren't in the ACC, for much the same reasons


That was Adolph Rupp's philosophy when he was coach at Kentucky as well; if you win big effing deal, if you lose your a bum. This has changed somewhat in the past 20 years or so; Kentucky plays the annual game with Louisville and has played the second tier state schools (Morehead, Eastern Kentucky, Western Kentucky), but only at Rupp Arena. There is no way that UK would ever agree to any kind of home and home series with Eastern Kentucky. Right or wrong that is just the way it is. It might be nice if Kansas would schedule Wichita State on a regular basis but not likely to happen until KU falls on hard times and maybe not even then.
   80. Greg K Posted: March 18, 2016 at 09:36 PM (#5178166)
West Virginia sort of seems like they've snapped.
   81. just plain joe Posted: March 18, 2016 at 09:51 PM (#5178173)
West Virginia sort of seems like they've snapped.


A long-time feature/bug of a Bob Huggins coached team.
   82. Howie Menckel Posted: March 18, 2016 at 10:00 PM (#5178176)
my office had a slew of "well, there goes my bracket!" chatter when Mich St lost, which as always is weird.

if prize money were given out at certain levels of scoring in your office pool, then sure - almost everyone just lost a ton of potential points.

but if you didn't have Mich St winning the title, it's not a big hit - in fact, your own sheet's chances improve. if you didn't even have Mich St in the title game at all, you probably came out ahead with that loss - you can still have both finalists and half/nearly half of your pool can't.

if you had Mich St losing in the Elite 8, you should be celebrating - you either have a shot at getting those Final 4 points for the region, or at least you know countless rivals do not.

kind of obvious, I think - but I saw a lot of really smart people today 'not getting it.'
   83. Random Transaction Generator Posted: March 18, 2016 at 10:03 PM (#5178177)
my office had a slew of "well, there goes my bracket!" chatter when Mich St lost, which as always is weird.


Well, I had them going to the finals, so....yeah, my bracket just got ######.
   84. Jose Remains The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: March 18, 2016 at 10:10 PM (#5178181)
UMass Lowell advance to Hockey East final with triple OT victory. Wait, not that tournament?
   85. Howie Menckel Posted: March 18, 2016 at 10:16 PM (#5178183)
"Well, I had them going to the finals, so....yeah, my bracket just got ######."

that's the middle turf. what pct of your pool had Mich St winning? (THEY are screwed)
you gain on them, and break even with countless others who also had them reaching the final.
ok, you lose some ground on rivals who land the finalist while you didn't.

but that game alone doesn't kill you. if you have the winner, and either you hit the other two Final 4 or nobody else had the finalist on that side of the bracket (it happens) - you can still win it. there are other pathways as well.

this year seemed to be where Kansas, Mich St, and NC were the popular titlists. screw the red ink - the quicker you get two of them (or all of them) out while your team lives on, the better.

........

to be fair, I should differentiate between pool participants venting about a particular game - and pure game theory. there's room for all of it.
:)
   86. Jose Remains The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: March 18, 2016 at 10:20 PM (#5178184)
I had Yale so I was feeling good yesterday. I have Michigan state winning so...
   87. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: March 18, 2016 at 11:06 PM (#5178195)
if you had Mich St losing in the Elite 8, you should be celebrating - you either have a shot at getting those Final 4 points for the region, or at least you know countless rivals do not.


I had Michigan State winning two of my four brackets and in the final four in another. So I have every right to complain, even though that last remaining bracket is sitting pretty.

UMass Lowell advance to Hockey East final with triple OT victory. Wait, not that tournament?


The Hockey East tournament is one of the best sporting events I've ever attended. I got to watch my alma mater UMass Amherst lose in triple overtime back in 2004, and every second was amazing.
   88. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: March 18, 2016 at 11:10 PM (#5178196)
I had Stephen F Austin in the Sweet 16, so I feel smart about that. I also had Michigan State in the finals, so.... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
   89. Chicago Joe Posted: March 18, 2016 at 11:48 PM (#5178208)
SFA is 53-1 in their conference under their current coach. (!)
   90. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: March 19, 2016 at 12:02 AM (#5178211)
Fact I just looked up, the UConn Women's team is 753-53 since the start of the 1994-1995 season. They're working on their 6th undefeated season. They've won at least 30 games in all but two of those seasons.
   91. Howie Menckel Posted: March 19, 2016 at 12:21 AM (#5178215)

why yes, that WAS a halfcourt heave at the buzzer by Northern Iowa that goes in to avoid OT and knock off favored Texas

#MarchMadness
   92. Oriole Tragic feels the flip of you Posted: March 19, 2016 at 12:30 AM (#5178216)
@91/Howie: That was CRAY. Didn't UNI have a timeout remaining?

Did anyone see the St Joe's game? I thought the Cincy basket should have counted. It was super close, but the ball looked to be partially through and the shooter was only touching the ball with a couple fingers. I don't know what the rules are.
   93. Jose Remains The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: March 19, 2016 at 12:37 AM (#5178217)
So what constitutes a shot? The dunk was in the cylinder but still in the Cinci players hand. On top of that the above the rim clock said 00.0 but the scoreboard clock said 00.1.
   94. Oriole Tragic feels the flip of you Posted: March 19, 2016 at 12:45 AM (#5178218)
So what constitutes a shot?


That's the big question. The shooter had released the ball, in that he didn't really have control of it when the clock expired. I think Cincy might have gotten hosed there.
   95. Howie Menckel Posted: March 19, 2016 at 12:47 AM (#5178219)

"@91/Howie: That was CRAY. Didn't UNI have a timeout remaining?"

They did.
   96. Oriole Tragic feels the flip of you Posted: March 19, 2016 at 12:50 AM (#5178220)
Then wasn't it kind of insane that UNI didn't take the timeout and set something up? I didn't know what was going on. That was crazy.
   97. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: March 19, 2016 at 12:58 AM (#5178221)

Then wasn't it kind of insane that UNI didn't take the timeout and set something up? I didn't know what was going on. That was crazy.


Apparently the coach prefers not to take the TO in that situation.
   98. Jose Remains The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: March 19, 2016 at 01:03 AM (#5178222)
I like the idea of not taking the timeout. Don't let the defense get set. If your team is properly schooled they should know what to do.
   99. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: March 19, 2016 at 01:04 AM (#5178223)
What a great day and night of basketball.
   100. Red Menace Posted: March 19, 2016 at 10:11 AM (#5178265)
11 seeds vs 3's today: Wichita State is favored by 2 over Miami. Gonzaga-Utah is pick 'em with some books giving Utah a point. Vegas knows what's up.
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