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Tuesday, March 14, 2017

OT: NCAA March Madness 2017

Who’s ready for Madness?

New Orleans vs. Mt. St. Mary’s and NC-Central vs. UC-Davis!

Number 1 Seeds: North Carolina, Kansas, Villanova, Gonzaga

My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: March 14, 2017 at 06:53 AM | 447 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: March 14, 2017 at 09:03 AM (#5417013)
Stacked field - all the teams have winning records!
   2. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: March 14, 2017 at 09:08 AM (#5417014)
I am excited my team (MN Gophers) got in! And they are a 5 seed!

The bad news - they are arguably the worst 5 seed and are going against the best 12 seed. Oh well, still exciting.
   3. Covfefe Posted: March 14, 2017 at 09:15 AM (#5417016)
Thrilled my Cats finally got their first ever bid... less thrilled that my irrational exuberance led me to turn in my brackets with them shocking Gonzaga in the 2nd round upon reflection, but I suppose it's better than forever picking the wrong #12 seed to knock off a 5 (which I'm sure I did anyway, as always). Don't wanna look past Vandy, but I think NU's D is well-positioned to combat the flurry of threes. It's teams that can pound them inside they struggle with.
   4. Rennie's Tenet Posted: March 14, 2017 at 09:29 AM (#5417020)
Two Mountaineers, Privateers, Buccaneers, and Musketeers. A good yeer for -eers.
   5. Howie Menckel Posted: March 14, 2017 at 10:33 AM (#5417052)
and 5 Wildcats. and 4 Eagles. and 2 Gaels. and 2 Trojans.
   6. Voodoo Posted: March 14, 2017 at 10:54 AM (#5417070)
It's teams that can pound them inside they struggle with.


Gonzaga is going to destroy them in that case, unless of course NW gets super hot from 3.
   7. Voodoo Posted: March 16, 2017 at 10:41 AM (#5418219)
Bump!

I am surprised every year how little interest there is in March Madness on this board. Isn't anybody into it?!

Definitely some upset possibilities first thing this morning Notre Dame-Princeton, UNC-Wilmington-Virginia, and Winthrop-Butler. I didn't pick either of these upsets, in fact I have the higher seed in each instance moving on to the Sweet 16. But I will go on record now in stating that one of these top three seeds will go down today to get the madness rolling!
   8. Chicago Joe Posted: March 16, 2017 at 10:47 AM (#5418224)
A good yeer for -eers.


No Chanticleers, though.

Bunch o' cocks anyway.
   9. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: March 16, 2017 at 11:07 AM (#5418232)
I am surprised every year how little interest there is in March Madness on this board. Isn't anybody into it?!


Sports interest on this board

1. NBA
2. Baseball
3. Soccer
4. NFL
5. College football
6. College basketball
7. Cricket
8. Hockey
   10. The Good Face Posted: March 16, 2017 at 11:19 AM (#5418239)
Definitely some upset possibilities first thing this morning Notre Dame-Princeton, UNC-Wilmington-Virginia, and Winthrop-Butler. I didn't pick either of these upsets, in fact I have the higher seed in each instance moving on to the Sweet 16. But I will go on record now in stating that one of these top three seeds will go down today to get the madness rolling!


Of those three higher seeds, Notre Dame is the most likely to fall (although I think all will win). Virginia and Butler are physical, rock solid defensive teams that play slow and grind things out. That doesn't mean they can't lose to bad teams (Butler lost to Indiana State FFS), but defense is more consistent than offense and those teams are almost impossible to blow out. Notre Dame doesn't always play D and a cold day of shooting and/or a hot shooting streak from Princeton could send them home early.

For later games, I have Minnesota and Maryland both going home today. Wouldn't be shocked to see Florida lose either.
   11. Voodoo Posted: March 16, 2017 at 11:22 AM (#5418241)
I also have Minnesota and Maryland going down. They are two of the more overseeded teams in the tournament. Last I heard Midd Tenn State had emerged as a one point favorite in Vegas over the Gophers; 12s always beat 5s, but it is pretty rare for a 12 to be favored to win.
   12. The Good Face Posted: March 16, 2017 at 11:28 AM (#5418244)
I also have Minnesota and Maryland going down. They are two of the more overseeded teams in the tournament. Last I heard Midd Tenn State had emerged as a one point favorite in Vegas over the Gophers; 12s always beat 5s, but it is pretty rare for a 12 to be favored to win.


Some real head scratchers in the seeding this year (Minnesota, Wisconsin, Wichita State). Be interesting to see if the seeding is better next year when they stop using (or reduce their reliance on) RPI, which seems like a pretty bogus stat.
   13. Voodoo Posted: March 16, 2017 at 12:35 PM (#5418287)
Crean out at Indiana.
   14. Covfefe Posted: March 16, 2017 at 01:01 PM (#5418303)
As a B1G guy - it's sort of a paradoxical thing were I think NONE of the BIG's seedings making sense... yet all of them make sense. It was obviously a down year for the conference and I suppose ultimately, someone has to win the conference... but it was basically the case of about 3 teams being tied as 'meh' best team in the conference and then 3 or 4 way for 'meh' 2nd place, records be damned.

You probably could have just divided the B1G dancers into two groups, and then had them pull numbers out of a two hats comprised of 6s and 7s and 8s and 9s and come out just as well.
   15. Voodoo Posted: March 16, 2017 at 01:16 PM (#5418316)
You probably could have just divided the B1G dancers into two groups, and then had them pull numbers out of a two hats comprised of 6s and 7s and 8s and 9s and come out just as well.


Well, yes. But that doesn't explain Minnesota as a five. Nor does it make sense for them to be three seeds ahead of Wisconsin. There's no point in quibbiling about seeding when a team is one or even two lines from "where they should be". The Minnesota/Wisconsin seeding is in that category, but the only egregious seeding snafu is (once again) Wichita State, a 10 that should be no lower than a 5. And it's not just the Shockers that are pissed. Dayton and Kentucky can't be very happy about it either.
   16. The Good Face Posted: March 16, 2017 at 01:25 PM (#5418329)
And it's not just the Shockers that are pissed. Dayton and Kentucky can't be very happy about it either.


Yeah, Kentucky fans are pissed off about it, and with good reason. That's a way tougher matchup than a 2 seed should be looking at in round 2. Can't help but wonder if that's the NCAA's way of taking a poke at Calipari for being such a pain in their ass over the years.

Well, yes. But that doesn't explain Minnesota as a five. Nor does it make sense for them to be three seeds ahead of Wisconsin.


Makes no sense. I can't be arsed to look, but makes me wonder if this is one of those dumb "RPI sez so" results.
   17. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: March 16, 2017 at 01:30 PM (#5418339)
It was obviously a down year for the conference and I suppose ultimately, someone has to win the conference... but it was basically the case of about 3 teams being tied as 'meh' best team in the conference and then 3 or 4 way for 'meh' 2nd place, records be damned.


But enough about Big Ten football.
   18. Voodoo Posted: March 16, 2017 at 01:50 PM (#5418360)
Makes no sense. I can't be arsed to look, but makes me wonder if this is one of those dumb "RPI sez so" results.


Indeed that is the reason. Minnesota #21 in RPI. Wisconsin #36.

As opposed to KenPom: Wisconsin #21, Minny #33.

Wisconsin also finished a game ahead of them in the B1G. And they also swept the Gophers. And made it a round further in the B1G tournament.
   19. GordonShumway Posted: March 16, 2017 at 01:55 PM (#5418363)
Seems like Vegas has a #2 seed (Duke) as the favorite or co-favorite to win it all.

Has that ever happened before?
   20. The Good Face Posted: March 16, 2017 at 01:57 PM (#5418366)
Indeed that is the reason. Minnesota #21 in RPI. Wisconsin #36.

As opposed to KenPom: Wisconsin #21, Minny #33.

Wisconsin also finished a game ahead of them in the B1G. And they also swept the Gophers. And made it a round further in the B1G tournament.


Sigh. Part of the problem is that RPI is super gameable, so smarter coaches are, well, gaming it. Hardly anyone actually thinks Minnesota is a better team than Wisconsin, but TEH RPI says so, and so it must be. The sooner they start using a basket of actual metrics the better.
   21. GordonShumway Posted: March 16, 2017 at 02:15 PM (#5418375)
Indeed that is the reason. Minnesota #21 in RPI. Wisconsin #36.

As opposed to KenPom: Wisconsin #21, Minny #33.

Wisconsin also finished a game ahead of them in the B1G. And they also swept the Gophers. And made it a round further in the B1G tournament.


Sagarin has Wisconsin at #17, and Minnesota at 34.
   22. SoSH U at work Posted: March 16, 2017 at 02:23 PM (#5418385)
Yeah, Kentucky fans are pissed off about it, and with good reason. That's a way tougher matchup than a 2 seed should be looking at in round 2. Can't help but wonder if that's the NCAA's way of taking a poke at Calipari for being such a pain in their ass over the years.


Given the past three years, it seems more likely that Gregg Marshall must have run over one of the committee member's cats than anything Cal did. They screwed them when the Shockers were undefeated (with a loaded UK as the 8 seed facing them in Round 2), screwed them last year and screwed them again this year.

The deflected inbounds pass before Princeton's final basket was the shortest 0.9 in history.

Princeton should have gotten a better shot than that.
   23. Voodoo Posted: March 16, 2017 at 02:25 PM (#5418388)
The funny thing is that Wichita State was #8 in Pomeroy, and something like #12 in Massey, #13 in Sagarin. And #32 in RPI.

Yet they were actually seeded LOWER than their RPI would suggest. Ten seed = 37-40.
   24. The Good Face Posted: March 16, 2017 at 02:36 PM (#5418396)
The funny thing is that Wichita State was #8 in Pomeroy, and something like #12 in Massey, #13 in Sagarin. And #32 in RPI.

Yet they were actually seeded LOWER than their RPI would suggest. Ten seed = 37-40.


Best guess is that Wichita State just didn't have the kind of good wins the committee wanted. They played some very good teams (Louisville, MSU, Oklahoma State) but lost all those games. They beat the crap out of their conference and bad/mediocre teams, but weren't able to step up and get any shiny wins. I think it's fair to ding them for that, but a 10 seed just seems nuts. Especially since Saint Mary was in pretty much the same boat, but wound up with a 7 seed.
   25. yo la tengo Posted: March 16, 2017 at 02:41 PM (#5418400)
Kind of crazy that Gonzalo has not had a lead yet. Seems unsustainable, but a #1 seed going into the half without a lead is surprising, no?
   26. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: March 16, 2017 at 02:45 PM (#5418409)
They're up now . . . by three.
   27. Voodoo Posted: March 16, 2017 at 02:48 PM (#5418413)
Seems unsustainable, but a #1 seed going into the half without a lead is surprising, no?


A 16 has actually led at half in three of the past four years. In 2006, Albany led UCONN by 12 with 12 to play.

But yeah surprising how catatonic Gonzaga looks.
   28. Covfefe Posted: March 16, 2017 at 02:55 PM (#5418422)
Kind of crazy that Gonzalo has not had a lead yet. Seems unsustainable, but a #1 seed going into the half without a lead is surprising, no?


Clearly, they're overly worried about having to face the NU/Vandy winner next...
   29. The Good Face Posted: March 16, 2017 at 02:55 PM (#5418423)
Virginia does nothing easily or prettily, but ground out another win. Pity, not looking forward to that potential rematch as a Villanova fan.
   30. Chicago Joe Posted: March 16, 2017 at 03:02 PM (#5418437)
UNCW was a tough matchup for UVA. I like that Keatts. Would look good coaching the Illini.
   31. Covfefe Posted: March 16, 2017 at 03:19 PM (#5418461)
Zags pulling away now... meh.

Really wish worked hadn't forced me to cease the stream of the ND-Princeton game (sadly, meeting vote against livemeeting screen-in-screen... bastards)... Dud though the end may have been, seems like that one was the game of the day thus far.
   32. LA Podcasting Hombre of Anaheim Posted: March 16, 2017 at 03:20 PM (#5418462)
Williams-Goss making it look too easy. SD has to hit a bunch of 3s.
   33. SoSH U at work Posted: March 16, 2017 at 03:24 PM (#5418467)
Dud though the end may have been, seems like that one was the game of the day thus far.


The UVa-Wilmington game had a few more twists and turns (the Cavs trailed by a bunch early). Princeton led for 17 seconds, though they did have a shot in the final 10 to take the lead.



   34. Covfefe Posted: March 16, 2017 at 03:41 PM (#5418485)
Williams-Goss making it look too easy. SD has to hit a bunch of 3s.


How many 3s in a bunch? Because now it looks like they need a couple bunches.
   35. LA Podcasting Hombre of Anaheim Posted: March 16, 2017 at 03:45 PM (#5418488)
Pretty much.
   36. aberg Posted: March 16, 2017 at 04:09 PM (#5418510)
That Zags game pretty much followed an old 1-16 script. The lower seed played very hard and emotionally early, kept it competitive, but the more talented team made it hard to score as the game went on and pulled away late.
   37. LA Podcasting Hombre of Anaheim Posted: March 16, 2017 at 04:11 PM (#5418511)
These games are over. Time to see if Garrett Richards' arm stays attached today.
   38. Covfefe Posted: March 16, 2017 at 04:15 PM (#5418515)
Florida getting pushed a bit... I mostly care because I had them as my upset in the East... not out of any particular insight or anything.
   39. The Good Face Posted: March 16, 2017 at 04:17 PM (#5418517)
That Zags game pretty much followed an old 1-16 script. The lower seed played very hard and emotionally early, kept it competitive, but the more talented team made it hard to score as the game went on and pulled away late.


Yeah, a pretty common story. At this point, I don't get excited until there's less than 10 minutes to play and the 1 seed is down double digits.

Surprised at Bucknell hanging with West Virginia though. I figured this game had the chance to be an absolute blowout.
   40. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: March 16, 2017 at 04:24 PM (#5418521)
So I see this white guy drain an underhand free throw for Florida, and I say outloud. "I haven't seen that since Rick Barry," And of course it turns out it is his son.
   41. jmurph Posted: March 16, 2017 at 04:28 PM (#5418525)
So I see this white guy drain an underhand free throw for Florida, and I say outloud. "I haven't seen that since Rick Barry," And of course it turns out it is his son.

Wow, that's quite the age range on the Barry progeny.
   42. Covfefe Posted: March 16, 2017 at 04:38 PM (#5418532)
Cats on the board first!
   43. LA Podcasting Hombre of Anaheim Posted: March 16, 2017 at 04:44 PM (#5418535)
Wow, that's quite the age range on the Barry progeny.
He was always an amazing shooter.
   44. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: March 16, 2017 at 04:44 PM (#5418536)
Canyon Barry was an 88% free throw shooter this year.
   45. Covfefe Posted: March 16, 2017 at 04:59 PM (#5418542)
Vandy ice cold shooting... would be nice if the cats would stop being so sloppy at their end.
   46. Covfefe Posted: March 16, 2017 at 05:25 PM (#5418550)
Looking good at the half. McIntosh and Lindsey scorching hot. Still feels like they let a bigger spread slip away with a spurt of sloppiness while Vandy couldn't get anything to drop - and McIntosh getting that 2nd foul early led to a little counter run. Vandy seemed to find its range from 3 in the last 10 mins or so, need to keep the hot hands going.
   47. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: March 16, 2017 at 05:41 PM (#5418557)
My alma mater not only falling victim to the 12-5 curse, but doing so in spectacular fashion, it seems. I'm kind of glad I'm stuck in an airport and can't really watch it.
   48. Covfefe Posted: March 16, 2017 at 06:02 PM (#5418566)
Cats pulling away and sounding like a home game.
   49. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: March 16, 2017 at 06:10 PM (#5418571)
I work in Minneapolis--I think just about everyone had them winning today (and most going to at least the Sweet 16). But not this guy! Let's go...."MTSU"!
   50. yo la tengo Posted: March 16, 2017 at 06:24 PM (#5418575)
Vandy is getting greedy with the long 3 attempts. Does the Vandy 7 footer have any hope for the next level? He's a senior...
   51. Covfefe Posted: March 16, 2017 at 06:33 PM (#5418580)
Hit a GD FT FFS
   52. Covfefe Posted: March 16, 2017 at 06:35 PM (#5418581)
Wow... I mean, I know it's an 8 v9 so who cares but that's Webberesque
   53. JJ1986 Posted: March 16, 2017 at 06:36 PM (#5418582)
I have the game muted. Did the Vanderbilt player think they were still behind?
   54. Covfefe Posted: March 16, 2017 at 06:38 PM (#5418583)
That's what it looks like... he sorta immediately did a #### #### #### we're winning kind of thing - and that's what the TV guys are saying.

And it was Fisher-Davis who - after the first ~10 minutes, was just drilling everything.
   55. Covfefe Posted: March 16, 2017 at 06:41 PM (#5418584)
Jeebus

That really did NOT have to be that exciting a finish.... and they got lucky to escape a game they shouldn't have let slip into danger anyway.

Whew.

Anyway...

Last week: Only power 5 program never to go the NCAA tournament

Now: Only program undefeated in the history of the NCAA tournament
   56. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: March 16, 2017 at 06:42 PM (#5418585)
You're up 1 with 1.4 seconds to play. You're shooting your second of two free throws, and your opponent is out of time outs. The obvious correct play is to intentionally miss your free throw. But I never see it.
   57. greenback is not cosmopolitan Posted: March 16, 2017 at 07:11 PM (#5418597)
If I had a choice between Verne Lundquist calling an NCAA Tournament game and Vin Scully calling a playoff game, I'd take Lundquist.
   58. Voodoo Posted: March 16, 2017 at 07:27 PM (#5418604)
Boner by Vandy kid is the story of the tourney so far...
   59. yo la tengo Posted: March 16, 2017 at 07:31 PM (#5418605)
Sad but true about the Vandy mishap. He was having such a great second half before that breakdown
   60. Covfefe Posted: March 16, 2017 at 07:43 PM (#5418607)
He was having a great last 30 minutes -- everybody including him was ice cold in the first 10, but he hit a long distance three that was probably a bad shot (but still nothing but net) to staunch a run in the 1st half.

   61. Howie Menckel Posted: March 16, 2017 at 07:47 PM (#5418609)
Rick Barry career points 25,279

son Jon Barry points 4,715
son Brent Barry points 2,892
son Drew Barry points 134

combined 45 NBA seasons

son Scooter has a ring from the 1988 Kansas team and played 17 years in CBA and Europe, no NBA.

son Canyon is from Rick's 3rd wife, who is considered the greatest player in the history of William & Mary basketball (fwiw).

the kids' grandfather Bruce Hale played 3 seasons in BAA and NBA. his daughter married Rick Barry.

#goodgenes
   62. Howie Menckel Posted: March 16, 2017 at 07:50 PM (#5418611)

there are 4 teams left who have been around since the early days and never reached The Dance: Army, Citadel, William & Mary, and St. Francis (NY). the latter is the weird one because they play in the Northeast Conference, which has never won an NCAA Round of 64 game and almost always provides a 16 seed (Mount St Mary's this year). I think I read they are 0-9 in conference title games all-time. ouch
   63. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: March 16, 2017 at 08:09 PM (#5418614)
If I had a choice between Verne Lundquist calling an NCAA Tournament game and Vin Scully calling a playoff game, I'd take Lundquist.

I seriously just put you on ignore.
   64. JJ1986 Posted: March 16, 2017 at 08:14 PM (#5418615)
Xavier is quite good on offense for a team that doesn't run any sets.
   65. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: March 16, 2017 at 09:22 PM (#5418647)
Xavier was in a free fall the second half of the season. Maryland kinda justified the Big 10 overrated there.

This VCU/St. Mary's game has been very streaky. VCU's point guard has been great.

VCU is one of those teams that is really tough to play, but they're just slightly out of control so they can get into foul trouble. Early in this game it looked like their athleticism was going to blow St. Mary's off the court. They don't have many guys that can get buckets though.
   66. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: March 16, 2017 at 09:37 PM (#5418658)
They’ve called some really, really ticky tacky calls against VCU in this game. But by the same token, if you get into a team and are making the ref make a decision on every single play, you’re gonna get some fouls called against you.
   67. cmd600 Posted: March 16, 2017 at 10:25 PM (#5418674)
Maryland kinda justified the Big 10 overrated there.


That shouldn't be an indictment of the Big Ten, which still isn't good enough to earn anyone's defense. Kenpom would have put Maryland in a play-in game. They were wildly overseeded.
   68. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: March 16, 2017 at 10:39 PM (#5418684)
Time to see if my alma mater can pull off the upset. Let's go North Dakota! They averaged 80 points a game this year and they're not slowing down: basically running a "7 seconds or less" offense, firing up the first semi-good shot they can get.

Arizona is quick too of course. But more importantly: so so tall. Their center did that thing you see in high school where the same guy rebounds his own missed shot like 5 times in a row before he finally puts it in.
   69. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: March 16, 2017 at 10:53 PM (#5418689)
Back when I lived in North Dakota we didn't have a single university in the whole state that was even eligible for the tourney. So this is pretty cool. Grand Forks ND playing for the championship!
   70. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: March 16, 2017 at 11:18 PM (#5418697)
Back when I lived in North Dakota we didn't have a single university in the whole state that was even eligible for the tourney. So this is pretty cool. Grand Forks ND playing for the championship!


Well, you had a top notch Hockey program. I lived in Grand Forks from 1989-1992. Went to a lot of hockey games, but that was a down period in their history.
   71. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: March 16, 2017 at 11:26 PM (#5418698)
Va Tech’s big guys just can’t guard Wisconsin. Now, there’s like zero defense being played in this game, but I’ll take the team that can get bunnies in the post every single time.

Also, I'd never live in North Dakota.
   72. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: March 16, 2017 at 11:26 PM (#5418699)
Well, you had a top notch Hockey program. I lived in Grand Forks from 1989-1992. Went to a lot of hockey games, but that was a down period in their history.


They regained the old glory last year, winning the national title for the first time since 2000.
   73. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: March 16, 2017 at 11:28 PM (#5418701)
Also, I'd never live in North Dakota.


Well, I didn't have a lot of choice. And it was better than Oklahoma.
   74. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: March 16, 2017 at 11:32 PM (#5418702)
There's some really lousy basketball being played in Wisconsin/VA-Tech right now.
   75. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: March 16, 2017 at 11:36 PM (#5418704)
I'm still paying off student loans from my one stupid semester at stupid UND. You'd think the least they could do to repay me is pull off a first-round upset.
   76. Howie Menckel Posted: March 16, 2017 at 11:43 PM (#5418705)
Time to see if my alma mater can pull off the upset. Let's go North Dakota!

anyone else besides us who graduated from a school that has pulled a 15 or 16 seed (mine multiple times and at least twice making a 1 seed wince for a bit)?
   77. smileyy Posted: March 16, 2017 at 11:44 PM (#5418706)
Xavier was in a free fall the second half of the season.


There were two factors there:
1. Their most athletic player and best NBA prospect, point guard Edmond Sumner, tore his ACL. That left the team with one ball-handling guard, true freshman Quentin Goodin, who was suddenly pressed into playing PG for 35+ minutes a night They won their next game without Sumner, but then...
2. Their leading scorer and all-around go-to-guy (Trevon Bluiett, who went nuts on 3s in the second half) sprained his ankle badly enough to be out and in a walking boot for a couple of games, and probably only now (if even now) is at 100%.

Bluiett's ankle getting better is a big reason that Xavier now is not the same Xavier team that was in freefall, and a reason that they looked so good against Maryland, as opposed to the team that lost 7 straight games.
   78. GregD Posted: March 16, 2017 at 11:56 PM (#5418709)
anyone else besides us who graduated from a school that has pulled a 15 or 16 seed (mine multiple times and at least twice making a 1 seed wince for a bit)?

My undergrad alma mater got its first appearance in 54 years last year as a 12 seed
Have a degree from a university that made its first-ever appearance this year and has won a game.
Another degree from a place that's been 23 times but the last 14 times has been between an 11 and 16 seed.
Work at a university that made its first-ever appearance this year.

My brother played at a university that--starting 2 years after he graduated--has made the tournament seven times, four as a 15 seed and never won a game
   79. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: March 17, 2017 at 12:02 AM (#5418710)
North Dakota cut it to 7 a bit ago. But they are running on fumes. Their starters have played like the whole game. And Zona just went on an 10-0 run.

Oh well.
   80. Athletic Supporter wants to move your money around Posted: March 17, 2017 at 12:05 AM (#5418713)
anyone else besides us who graduated from a school that has pulled a 15 or 16 seed (mine multiple times and at least twice making a 1 seed wince for a bit)?


Forget wince, my alma mater actually pulled off a 16 v 1 college basketball upset, still the only one ever in the history of either the men's or women's tournament.
   81. Howie Menckel Posted: March 17, 2017 at 12:15 AM (#5418716)
mine had a 16 vs 1 men's seed down with 4 minutes left, in an arena in the home state of the bitter rival of the favored team. apparently it was bedlam as the home state smelled blood.
   82. cmd600 Posted: March 17, 2017 at 12:20 AM (#5418717)
All of two upsets on day one, and both just barely qualify. Xavier at +109 and NW at +115.
   83. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: March 17, 2017 at 01:18 PM (#5418939)
Let's make this topic HOT again.
   84. . . . . . . . . . . Posted: March 17, 2017 at 01:22 PM (#5418943)
Michigan looks like ####, and OK State has Evans, who reminds me of Tyreke, and then also looks like ####. Great game.
   85. aberg Posted: March 17, 2017 at 02:05 PM (#5418964)
Back when I lived in North Dakota we didn't have a single university in the whole state that was even eligible for the tourney. So this is pretty cool. Grand Forks ND playing for the championship!


I grew up in Fargo. My dad and most of my friends went to NDSU and I grew up a die hard Bison fan. As a result, I hate UND about as much as I can hate anyone in sports. I think I hate them as much as Syracuse or Oregon/WSU, the rivals of the schools I actually attended. Whenever UND gets a bit of national attention, people assume I must like them because they're from ND. It's painful for me.
   86. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: March 17, 2017 at 02:47 PM (#5418980)
here are 4 teams left who have been around since the early days and never reached The Dance: Army, Citadel, William & Mary, and St. Francis (NY). the latter is the weird one because they play in the Northeast Conference, which has never won an NCAA Round of 64 game and almost always provides a 16 seed (Mount St Mary's this year). I think I read they are 0-9 in conference title games all-time. ouch


My (undergrad) alma mater now remains the last major conference school without an NCAA tournament win (Nebraska is 0-8, I think, all-time in the NCAA, including a loss in there as a 3 seed to Xavier in the early 90s). The first appearance was mid 80s, then most in early/mid 90s, before going back a few years ago.
   87. Covfefe Posted: March 17, 2017 at 03:29 PM (#5419012)
An odd question...

To what extent does keeping a team 'home' (i.e., closest to it or its conference's actual region) factor into seeding?

Babbling with a buddy about the weird B1G seedings, he said the preponderance of mid seeds was made up by the fact that most of the B1G teams were kept home (3 in the MW, 1 in the south, 1 in the east, 2 in the west)... i.e., that seeding takes into account region allocation.

I don't think this is true, is it?

EDIT: To clarify - not that the 'choice' is given to teams of course, but he's claiming that it's a matter of 'higher seed in travel region' vs 'lower seed staying home' in terms of assigning teams in the bracket.
   88. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: March 17, 2017 at 03:36 PM (#5419017)
A quick skim of the seeding rules gives me the following entries.

http://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2017-03-12/march-madness-bracket-how-68-teams-are-selected-division-i

A team may be moved up or down one (or in extraordinary circumstances) two lines from its true seed line (e.g., from the 13 seed line to the 12 seed line; or from a 12 seed line to a 13 seed line) when it is placed in the bracket if necessary to meet the principles.

Teams will remain in or as close to their areas of natural interest as possible. A team moved out of its natural area will be placed in the next closest region to the extent possible. If two teams from the same natural region are in contention for the same bracket position, the team ranked higher in the seed list shall remain in its natural region.
   89. Covfefe Posted: March 17, 2017 at 03:42 PM (#5419022)
Huh... OK - I guess I always thought that was a myth. Guess not. Thanks!
   90. Kiko Sakata Posted: March 17, 2017 at 04:02 PM (#5419041)
anyone else besides us who graduated from a school that has pulled a 15 or 16 seed (mine multiple times and at least twice making a 1 seed wince for a bit)?


My alma mater has been a 16 seed once, a 15 seed once, never higher than a 12, made the Sweet Sixteen as a #13 seed almost 20 years ago on a shot that I think is still fairly famous (the guy who hit it was the head coach of the team that probably suffered the most excruciating loss yesterday).
   91. cmd600 Posted: March 17, 2017 at 04:03 PM (#5419043)
And how the pods work now, being in a certain regional is not a guarantee that you will be playing in that area of the country to help keep more teams closer to home. The East is holding games in Oklahoma, the West in Buffalo and Orlando, the Midwest in Sacramento, the South in Milwaukee, Sacramento, and Indianapolis. Minnesota was in the South, but only had to go to Milwaukee.

I'm sure the supporters of Michigan and Wisconsin, the Big Ten's second and third best teams, would have preferred to get the 5/6 seeds they probably deserved than to move both into the Midwest regional. And I'm also not sure the Big Ten as a whole got underseeded. It's just that Minnesota/Maryland should have been flipped with Michigan/Wisconsin. Do that, and you just about fix the issue.
   92. smileyy Posted: March 17, 2017 at 07:07 PM (#5419134)
What do people think of the flagrant call in the Seton Hall / Arkansas game? I think it was a good call -- you have to make a play on the ball. The (accidental) trip made it look really bad; if the trip doesn't happen, I doubt its a flagrant. Regardless, I think that's the price you pay for that accidental contact while not making a play on the ball while fouling.
   93. Howie Menckel Posted: March 17, 2017 at 07:23 PM (#5419140)
My alma mater has been a 16 seed once, a 15 seed once, never higher than a 12, made the Sweet Sixteen as a #13 seed almost 20 years ago on a shot that I think is still fairly famous (the guy who hit it was the head coach of the team that probably suffered the most excruciating loss yesterday).

My wife was born in that very town, no kidding. amazing.

as for the Seton Hall call, the solution is to have the coach inform the refs that he intends to foul if the other team gains possession inbounds. as soon as they do, blow the whistle and send the kid to the line. kinda like the "waved" intentional walk.
   94. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: March 17, 2017 at 08:15 PM (#5419149)
Watching the Duke game with my brother who went to Duke... It's painful. I ####### hate that y'all so much. Also, Minnesota alumni have saved like a billion more lives (mostly Norman Borlaug, but ####### Nixon went to Duke... Just another reason to hate them)
   95. Tom T Posted: March 17, 2017 at 08:53 PM (#5419155)
You're up 1 with 1.4 seconds to play. You're shooting your second of two free throws, and your opponent is out of time outs. The obvious correct play is to intentionally miss your free throw. But I never see it.


Actually, Lumpkin looked upset that he hit the second one...I think he knew he was supposed to miss it, but as a sub-70% FT shooter, I suspect his control isn't THAT precise (cf. his first shot).

Whenever the idea of purposefully missing free throws comes up, I can't help but think of Dallas Comegys purposefully missing a FT, allowing his DePaul team take a ... game tying?? ... shot. Maybe it was even a shot to win. Anyway, it was a hoot.

Ah! March 15, 1987 against St. John's in the 2nd round of the tourney. Led to a game-tying shot and an OT win for DePaul.
   96. nick swisher hygiene Posted: March 17, 2017 at 09:22 PM (#5419159)
garbage bailout call, but the Shockers got screwed having to face Dayton in Indy, so what the hell...
   97. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: March 17, 2017 at 09:30 PM (#5419160)
The refs have really taken over this Wichita State/Dayton game. I think both teams have been screwed by phantom calls, though Dayton's been more screwed.

Similarly, the refs did the same thing in the VCU/St. Mary's game yesterday.

Which is a shame, because those are a couple of games I was really looking forward to, and everything is about me.
   98. Tom T Posted: March 17, 2017 at 11:57 PM (#5419176)
Speaking of refs, you'll know if Purdue has any shot against Iowa State by how readily fouls are called on Isaac Haas during his first 2 minutes on the court. If he brushes past one of the Cyclones (who are all small) and the guy gets moved by a few inches and they call a foul, Purdue is toast. If the refs grasp the concepts of conservation of momentum, there will be an actual game.
   99. Athletic Supporter wants to move your money around Posted: March 18, 2017 at 12:57 AM (#5419180)
The refs have really taken over this Wichita State/Dayton game. I think both teams have been screwed by phantom calls, though Dayton's been more screwed.


This was super weird. There were what seemed to be makeup call after makeup call, and then randomly Dayton didn't get any calls on that sequence where there were a few blocks of varying cleanliness (the one where they got the ball back after it was rebounded by a Shocker out of bounds). Lots of really questionable ticky-tacks on moving screens, strips, etc..
   100. Athletic Supporter wants to move your money around Posted: March 18, 2017 at 01:12 AM (#5419182)
BTW, if you think this tournament has been boring and had no real upsets, check out the women's bracket.
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