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Friday, August 04, 2017

OT: New Season August 2017 Soccer Thread

Are you ready for some futbol?

EFL - August 4 (that’s today!).  Note that ESPN has taken over the broadcast rights from BeIN and is going to make most games available on ESPN3 including today’s Sunderland loss to Derby County.
EPL - August 11 (Arsenal-Leicester). Also 8/20 is Spurs-Chelsea, that’s a big big game early.
La Liga - August 18
Bundesliga - August 18 (Bayern-Bayer Leverkusen)
Serie A - August 19 (Juventus-Cagliari)
Champions League Playoffs - August 15 - The best of the bunch look to be Liverpool-Hoffenheim, Nice-Napoli and CSKA Moscow-Young Boys
Europa League - August 17 - Everton get Hajduk Split but generally I won’t pretend to be knowledgeable about the teams here.
Also assorted Community Shield type things and a bunch of World Cup Qualifiers get rolling on August 31.  This is the penultimate break before the end of qualifying for most places so these are likely to be some very big games (US-Costa Rica September 1).  An

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   201. There are a lot of good people in alt-Shooty Posted: August 24, 2017 at 12:34 PM (#5520249)
3 groups of death shaping up so far.
   202. Nose army. Beef diaper? (CoB) Posted: August 24, 2017 at 12:36 PM (#5520251)
3 groups of death shaping up so far.


Tottenham Hotspur, come on down!
   203. Nose army. Beef diaper? (CoB) Posted: August 24, 2017 at 12:37 PM (#5520252)
Dodged B
   204. There are a lot of good people in alt-Shooty Posted: August 24, 2017 at 12:37 PM (#5520253)
First bullet dodged. Good luck with that Anderlecht.
   205. There are a lot of good people in alt-Shooty Posted: August 24, 2017 at 12:38 PM (#5520256)
####### Man U.
   206. Nose army. Beef diaper? (CoB) Posted: August 24, 2017 at 12:38 PM (#5520257)
United get Basel. I guess they can't complain about that either ...
   207. Nose army. Beef diaper? (CoB) Posted: August 24, 2017 at 12:39 PM (#5520259)
Missed out on G ... not looking good.
   208. There are a lot of good people in alt-Shooty Posted: August 24, 2017 at 12:39 PM (#5520261)
I hope we get the Barca-Juve group. We can do it!
   209. Nose army. Beef diaper? (CoB) Posted: August 24, 2017 at 12:39 PM (#5520262)
Liverpool get E.

Spurs are going to get ######.
   210. There are a lot of good people in alt-Shooty Posted: August 24, 2017 at 12:40 PM (#5520264)
Definitely looks like Spurs are taking the bullet for English teams.
   211. There are a lot of good people in alt-Shooty Posted: August 24, 2017 at 12:41 PM (#5520265)
Son of a #####.
   212. Nose army. Beef diaper? (CoB) Posted: August 24, 2017 at 12:41 PM (#5520267)
Hey ... we get to see Pulisic play twice ... and our old friends Luka and Gareth ... good times ... before we get dumped back into the Europa League!
   213. There are a lot of good people in alt-Shooty Posted: August 24, 2017 at 12:41 PM (#5520268)
I blame Totti, that bastard.
   214. Nose army. Beef diaper? (CoB) Posted: August 24, 2017 at 12:43 PM (#5520271)
At least Chelsea isn't going to have a lot of fun with Athleti and Roma ...
   215. There are a lot of good people in alt-Shooty Posted: August 24, 2017 at 12:46 PM (#5520274)
So, does that trophy Ronaldo just received end up in a landfill or as a tip for a bellboy?
   216. The Marksist Posted: August 24, 2017 at 12:46 PM (#5520275)
Yeah, Group C looks evil. So. Much. Defense!

B, D, and H are nasty, too. Less likely to result in truly hideous soccer, though.
   217. J. Sosa Posted: August 24, 2017 at 12:48 PM (#5520277)
That'll do pig.
   218. Nose army. Beef diaper? (CoB) Posted: August 24, 2017 at 12:49 PM (#5520279)
Ahahhaha ... and Chelsea get Qarabag.

Enjoy the flight!
   219. The Marksist Posted: August 24, 2017 at 12:49 PM (#5520280)
   220. There are a lot of good people in alt-Shooty Posted: August 24, 2017 at 12:50 PM (#5520282)
It was always fate, I guess, for Spurs to face Luka and Bale in the CL. Very much looking forward to those games. Hopefully we get Celtic to round things off.
   221. Nose army. Beef diaper? (CoB) Posted: August 24, 2017 at 12:50 PM (#5520284)
Of course not.
   222. Nose army. Beef diaper? (CoB) Posted: August 24, 2017 at 12:51 PM (#5520285)
So that leaves Spurs with?

[edit] Apoel Nicosia ... ok!
   223. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: August 24, 2017 at 12:52 PM (#5520288)
I'm excited about Tottenham's group. They're as good as Dortmund, roughly, and they had an easy group last year. It'll be exciting to see them play against Real Madrid and Dortmund. That's gonna be fun.

I've really wanted to see their pressing style against a team like Real/Bayern/Barca.
   224. There are a lot of good people in alt-Shooty Posted: August 24, 2017 at 12:53 PM (#5520289)
Liverpool and Man U with great draws. A tough one for Spurs, but a fun one. We had an easy draw last year and blew it so maybe this time we'll rise to the challenge.
   225. Textbook Editor Posted: August 24, 2017 at 12:53 PM (#5520290)
So... Spurs totally have no shot at advancing, right? I mean, I suppose you could squint/hope RM runs the table on everyone and then it comes down to whether or not you can get 4 points from Dortmund and 6 from Apoel Nicosia--that seems the only way out of that group, right?

Manchester United, of course, get the absolute gift group.
   226. There are a lot of good people in alt-Shooty Posted: August 24, 2017 at 12:53 PM (#5520291)
By the way, who are Arsenal playing?

wokka wokka!
   227. The Marksist Posted: August 24, 2017 at 12:53 PM (#5520292)
For the record:

Group A: Benfica, Manchester United, Basel, CSKA Moscow
Group B: Bayern Munich, Paris St-Germain, Anderlecht, Celtic
Group C: Chelsea, Atlético Madrid, Roma, Qarabag
Group D: Juventus, Barcelona, Olympiakos, Sporting Clube de Portugal
Group E: Spartak Moscow, Sevilla, Liverpool, Maribor
Group F: Shakhtar Donetsk, Manchester City, Napoli, Feyenoord
Group G: Monaco, Porto, Besiktas, Leipzig
Group H: Real Madrid, Borussia Dortmund, Tottenham, Apoel Nicosia
   228. There are a lot of good people in alt-Shooty Posted: August 24, 2017 at 12:54 PM (#5520293)
So... Spurs totally have no shot at advancing, right?

Dortmund aren't invincible. Chipper up, buckaroo.
   229. jmurph Posted: August 24, 2017 at 12:55 PM (#5520296)
Spurs can get out of that. Won't be easy, but I could see a win against Dortmund and a draw against Madrid. Spurs are good! Get some self-confidence, people!
   230. The Marksist Posted: August 24, 2017 at 12:55 PM (#5520298)
Have to like United, City, and Liverpool's chances. Chelsea favored to go through as well. Spurs with the uphill climb but by far the most exciting group, too.
   231. There are a lot of good people in alt-Shooty Posted: August 24, 2017 at 12:56 PM (#5520300)
Dortmund just got a little easier...Ousmane Dembele is headed to Barcelona. (According to L'Equipe and Bild.) Barca bought the wrong Dortmund player, IMO.
   232. Nose army. Beef diaper? (CoB) Posted: August 24, 2017 at 12:57 PM (#5520301)
All I can think is "get healthy soon Danny Rose and get acclimated quickly, not-Kieran Trippier, whoever you might turn out to be" ...

[edit] dear Jebus, I can just imagine the holy terror of Bale matched up against Trippier ... shudders.
   233. There are a lot of good people in alt-Shooty Posted: August 24, 2017 at 12:57 PM (#5520303)
Wembley is going to be rocking for that Real Madrid game.
   234. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: August 24, 2017 at 12:58 PM (#5520305)
Group F and G look fun, too.

Bayern vs. PSG! I'm looking forward to this.

It did seem like the worst #4 teams mostly went into groups that had the strongest #3, which is good for a balance of groups and general interesting brackets scenario.
   235. jmurph Posted: August 24, 2017 at 12:59 PM (#5520309)
Ousmane Dembele is headed to Barcelona. (According to L'Equipe and Bild.)

Just the 150 million euros, apparently. My god.
   236. There are a lot of good people in alt-Shooty Posted: August 24, 2017 at 01:01 PM (#5520313)
Over-under on how long Dembele lasts at Barca? I'll set the line at 2 years.
   237. There are a lot of good people in alt-Shooty Posted: August 24, 2017 at 01:08 PM (#5520324)
Also, I'm guessing with Dembele and DiMaria, Barcelona will now stop pestering Liverpool about Coutinho.
   238. J. Sosa Posted: August 24, 2017 at 01:21 PM (#5520344)
Supposedly Dortmund got 120 plus add ons. Good deal for them. Allegedly the most they actually offered for Coutinho sans addons was 85 and it was structured oddly over a number of seasons. I could not locate how much of the 120 is upfront for Dembele but that is a lot of money to play with for a German club.

I agree with Shooty. Barca bought the wrong Dortmund player. Dortmund knows it.
   239. Nose army. Beef diaper? (CoB) Posted: August 24, 2017 at 01:28 PM (#5520355)
I agree with Shooty. Barca bought the wrong Dortmund player. Dortmund knows it.


Likely, but Barca bought the only Dortmund player they could, the one that wanted away.

Pulisic made it clear he wasn't interested in moving anywhere this season.
   240. J. Sosa Posted: August 24, 2017 at 01:33 PM (#5520363)
I don't blame them but players often make the big money move too soon. Good for him. It would really suck to see him rot on the bench somewhere.
   241. There are a lot of good people in alt-Shooty Posted: August 24, 2017 at 01:36 PM (#5520367)
Likely, but Barca bought the only Dortmund player they could, the one that wanted away.

Pulisic made it clear he wasn't interested in moving anywhere this season.


They probably shouldn't have bought anyone. They have reacted to the Neymar loss in the worst way possible.

But you know who I feel really bad for? Torino. Here we are, waiting on our 100 million Euro bid for Bellotti and nothing, nada, zilch. Fuck you Europe!
   242. Nose army. Beef diaper? (CoB) Posted: August 24, 2017 at 01:45 PM (#5520375)
Guardians groupofdeathometer based on summed UEFA coefficient:

Group H: Real Madrid, Borussia Dortmund, Tottenham, Apoel Nicosia 405.3
Group D: Juventus, Barcelona, Olympiakos, Sporting Clube de Portugal 394.111
Group B: Bayern Munich, Paris St-Germain, Anderlecht, Celtic 382.857
Group A: Benfica, Manchester United, Basel, CSKA Moscow 321.069
Group C: Chelsea, Atlético Madrid, Roma, Qarabag 320.907
Group F: Shakhtar Donetsk, Manchester City, Napoli, Feyenoord 299.596
Group G: Monaco, Porto, Besiktas, Leipzig 222.938
Group E: Spartak Moscow, Sevilla, Liverpool, Maribor 208.922
   243. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: August 24, 2017 at 01:50 PM (#5520381)
Pleased as heck with Liverpool's draw. I'd love to see them make a QF run while being able to stick in the top 4. And if Spurs can knock out Dortmund... and Dortmund then stumbles in the league due to losing Dembele... then maybe Pulisic gets unsettled and Liverpool can sign him next summer!

Of course, that's a lot of ifs.
   244. I am going to be Frank Posted: August 24, 2017 at 01:56 PM (#5520386)
Barca needs to sign some people. Deulofeu and/or Alcacer aren't good enough to play the left. Also Messi hasn't signed his extension yet. I think he's pulling a LeBron and seeing what other signings there are before he commits to the team. Of course, Barca is still good enough to finish 2nd in La Liga and get the quarterfinals of CL. Messi wants more than that. Unless Paulinho has taken a massive step forward, he should be, at best, depth for this team.

Barca just got 200M+ from Qatar. Combined with their normal couch cushion money, they should easily have 300M to spend on players. All they have to show for it is Dembele, a 20M overpay for Paulinho and exercised their buyback clause on Deulofeu. The squad is kind of old and the young guys apparently aren't good enough (yet). Meanwhile, Madrid is richer, younger and better.
   245. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: August 24, 2017 at 02:32 PM (#5520410)
Dembele seems way overpriced, but whatever, he's a really good young prospect.

I don't get why they can't just back up a dump truck full of money and get a couple gritty, defensive minded players from Atletico or Juventus or somewhere like that. Like an athletic midfielder and a central defender. I can't help but think they *can* do that, and simply haven't prioritized bringing in those types of players.
   246. Textbook Editor Posted: August 24, 2017 at 02:38 PM (#5520413)
Also, I'm guessing with Dembele and DiMaria, Barcelona will now stop pestering Liverpool about Coutinho.


Wait... what? I somehow completely missed he DiMaria thing.
   247. Mefisto Posted: August 24, 2017 at 02:41 PM (#5520414)
@242: I don't like the UEFA coefficients for ranking teams, so I went to the 538 rankings. I'd rank the difficulty by how high the top 3 teams in each group, figuring that the 4th team probably isn't going anywhere. The lower the score, the more difficult the group:

H: 21
D: 48
B: 67
A: 61
C: 31
F: 18 + Shaktar, which 538 apparently didn't rank; give them 33 for a group total of 51
G: 64
E: 112

So of the EPL teams, LFC got BY FAR the easiest draw. Spurs, naturally, got the hardest, followed by Chelsea. United and City (depending on how Shaktar ranks) are pretty much the middle.
   248. There are a lot of good people in alt-Shooty Posted: August 24, 2017 at 02:42 PM (#5520415)
Wait... what? I somehow completely missed he DiMaria thing.

It's been reported in a Catalan paper that it's done but I haven't seen anything official yet. Speaking of which...Dortmund are denying there is a deal in place for Dembele. Still, it sounds very close.
   249. Nose army. Beef diaper? (CoB) Posted: August 24, 2017 at 02:51 PM (#5520426)
My feelings about Aurier is that he's very young and I'm willing to give him a chance. If someone were filming me constantly when I was 20, 21 years old, I probably would have been locked up for the things that came out of my mouth. Pochettino seems like he doesn't suffer fools gladly and I'm happy enough to trust him with Aurier even though I maintain some skepticism. As we've seen with Walker, Bentaleb and Sissoko, not to mention Adebayor, Kaboul, and Capoue, if Pochettino gets annoyed with a player, that player is pretty much done at Spurs.


Have you read the piece that Michael Caley (MCoA) co-wrote over at Cartilage Free Captain: Signing Serge Aurier would be an insult to Tottenham fans?

Also, don't forget, there's also Aurier's conviction for assault on a police officer, for which he was given a suspended two-month sentence and which he'll almost certainly going to have to prove has been overturned if he's going to have any shot at getting a work permit.

It just feels like they're taking a very big risk bringing him into what has been, for the most part, a very tight knit group of players and the fact the team ended up in this situation in this transfer window when they've known they were going to need a RB to replace Walker since April ... does not speak highly of most everyone involved.
   250. There are a lot of good people in alt-Shooty Posted: August 24, 2017 at 03:09 PM (#5520437)
Have you read the piece that Michael Caley (MCoA) co-wrote over at Cartilage Free Captain: Signing Serge Aurier would be an insult to Tottenham fans?

Yes. I love Michael, but I think it's overwrought. I don't feel insulted Spurs are signing a young man who has said stupid things. If he continues to do so, I hope the club sends him to Turkey.

Also, don't forget, there's also Aurier's conviction for assault on a police officer, for which he was given a suspended two-month sentence and which he'll almost certainly going to have to prove has been overturned if he's going to have any shot at getting a work permit.

I'm hearing conflicting stuff about whether this has been overturned or not. If it doesn't get overturned, then this discussion is moot as he won't be allowed in the UK.

It just feels like they're taking a very big risk bringing him into what has been, for the most part, a very tight knit group of players and the fact the team ended up in this situation in this transfer window does not speak highly of most everyone involved.

Well, it is and it isn't. For 24 million if he doesn't work out he has a strong enough reputation as a player someone else will take him and then KWP steps into that second RB role (or Trippier goes into the 1a role and KWP is 1b.) He's one of the best RB's in the world and for a club like Tottenham, you don't get him without taking on some risk. I don't know, you either trust Pochettino on this one or you don't. Like I mentioned above, Pochettino doesn't stand for troublemakers and if he's signing off on this one, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. I just don't see anything in Aurier's CV that makes him an untouchable. I'm wary, but maybe he just needs to grow up. Also, he hates Zlatan so there must be hope for him.
   251. There are a lot of good people in alt-Shooty Posted: August 24, 2017 at 03:20 PM (#5520445)
In other Tottenham news, Jadon Sancho wants to leave Man City for Spurs. He's still on scholarship at City so they'd have to release him before Spurs can sign him so not sure what will happen there. He's got a big reputation but I don't know much about him.
   252. jmurph Posted: August 24, 2017 at 03:25 PM (#5520450)
Wait... what? I somehow completely missed he DiMaria thing.

Angel? The teams that are engaged in a blood feud are going to do another deal?
   253. There are a lot of good people in alt-Shooty Posted: August 24, 2017 at 03:31 PM (#5520454)
Angel? The teams that are engaged in a blood feud are going to do another deal?

I didn't say it makes sense! Maybe PSG have to do it to comply with Financial Fair Pl-- no, I can't even finish that.
   254. J. Sosa Posted: August 24, 2017 at 03:39 PM (#5520462)
With respect to MCoA that was a white hot take. Should Aurier be sent to the salt mines or merely flogged? I very, very, very rarely agree with Ray but his fainting couch comment ages ago had some merit. YMMV.

That isn't to say everyone doesn't have their own limit. Sterling may or may not have made a habit of beating women and Suarez, well, Suarez. Both presented complications as a fan of laundry once upon a time. Woman beating is pretty high on the scale for me. Was not sad to see Sterling go.
   255. Nose army. Beef diaper? (CoB) Posted: August 24, 2017 at 03:52 PM (#5520478)

9/13 Spurs vs Dortmund
9/26 APOEL vs Spurs
10/17 Real vs Spurs
11/1 Spurs vs Real
11/21 Dortmund vs Spurs
12/6 Spurs vs APOEL


A LOT of pressure on Spurs to win that 1st match with Dortmund and Spurs will be without Rose, Lamela AND naughty boy Alli (suspended for the 1st 3 matches).
   256. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: August 24, 2017 at 06:31 PM (#5520643)
Obviously it's a bad draw in terms of advancement prospects, but I'm really excited to see Spurs play Real Madrid and Dortmund, so I like how it ended up.

I'd actually forgotten all about the Alli suspension. That's gonna be an issue.
   257. Nose army. Beef diaper? (CoB) Posted: August 24, 2017 at 07:18 PM (#5520665)

United States youth international Cameron Carter-Vickers is set to join Championship club Sheffield United on a season-long loan, sources have told ESPN FC.


Interesting, United evidently favor a 3-4-3 formation, which ought to be good experience for the future for CCV.
   258. Nose army. Beef diaper? (CoB) Posted: August 24, 2017 at 09:03 PM (#5520719)
45 million seems a bit ridiculous for Gylfi Sigurdsson, but damn if he didn't earn some of that today ...

As someone said earlier, "That'll do pig, that'll do."
   259. The Marksist Posted: August 25, 2017 at 08:54 AM (#5520823)
Yes. I love Michael, but I think it's overwrought.


I'm also a Liverpool fan, so don't have much of a leg to stand on here, but I think it's important to recognize that I'm not the one who suffers when my club signs someone with a history of speech like Aurier's. And maybe it's just the one incident and he's matured and legitimately regrets saying it. But I'm not the target or subject of those words, so they don't impact me the way they might a person who has had those words used to threaten or demean them. And the stuff about it encouraging/emboldening bigoted fans to suggest wholesale murder feels important. In situations like this I think clubs owe their supporters at least a statement acknowledging the issue and a promise to do right by them.

With respect to MCoA that was a white hot take. Should Aurier be sent to the salt mines or merely flogged? I very, very, very rarely agree with Ray but his fainting couch comment ages ago had some merit. YMMV.

That isn't to say everyone doesn't have their own limit. Sterling may or may not have made a habit of beating women and Suarez, well, Suarez. Both presented complications as a fan of laundry once upon a time. Woman beating is pretty high on the scale for me. Was not sad to see Sterling go.


Speech can be violence, abuse can be verbal, and a history of discrimination changes how people react to words. I guess what I take from MCofA's article is a reminder to think about how other people's red lines on behavior might well be as or more legitimate than my own.
   260. There are a lot of good people in alt-Shooty Posted: August 25, 2017 at 09:13 AM (#5520829)
And maybe it's just the one incident and he's matured and legitimately regrets saying it.

This is the crux of my point. How do we know what's in his heart? Are we supposed to paint a scarlet letter on every young man who says/does something stupid no matter what they do afterwards? I'm happy enough if Tottenham lets him know what kind of behavior they expect from him and the deal with him for his standard of behavior while representing the club. Hopefully he matures and the club helps him in that process. I would love it if they had him speak to the Spurs LGBT supporters club (though I'm not sure he speaks English at this point) but if he doesn't and he just maintains the bland "we take one game at a time and try to do what the manager tells us" kind of talk, I'm fine with that. If he continues to spew hate then I hope Spurs fans will apply the suitable pressure on the club to get rid of him, costs be damned. What I hope they don't do, if he does it again, is print t-shirts with his face on them and ear them during warm ups. (Sorry, couldn't resist! I still kind of can't believe that happened. What a dumb couple of months that was for all of us who follow English football.)
   261. There are a lot of good people in alt-Shooty Posted: August 25, 2017 at 09:26 AM (#5520834)
In other transfer news. Mbappe to PSG is still happening. They also want Pepe Reina and Fabinho. Cameron Carter-Vickers is officially playing for Sheffield United this season. I wonder if Pochettino has had a change of heart about not loaning out players as he also let Josh Onomah go to Aston Villa for the year. Liverpool are trying to get Renato Sanches on loan. That would be a hell of a coup. Someone needs to free Sanches from the cold grasp of Bayern. I think Milan or Juventus also want him. Barcelona are STILL after Coutinho and it looks like they might be trying to get Coutinho to act up to force a move. Every summer has a tiresome transfer saga, and this summer it's Coutinho and Barca. For once it's not Spurs! Woo hoo!
   262. The Marksist Posted: August 25, 2017 at 09:33 AM (#5520837)
What I hope they don't do, if he does it again, is print t-shirts with his face on them and ear them during warm ups. (Sorry, couldn't resist! I still kind of can't believe that happened. What a dumb couple of months that was for all of us who follow English football.)


For effing reals.
   263. I am going to be Frank Posted: August 25, 2017 at 10:48 AM (#5520890)
Wait Pochettino didn't like loaning out players? If I'm a big and rich club I would be loaning any and all players that weren't part of my plans for that season. I think as long as you trust the team you're loaning out to, if you're capable of playing regularly in the Championship, Belgium or the Netherlands is a lot better than playing in the U-23. You get to get a better sample size against better competition. This is especially useful when seemingly any decent player is getting a 30M bid. Sure, you have teams like Chelsea who abuse it, but it seems very practical.
   264. There are a lot of good people in alt-Shooty Posted: August 25, 2017 at 11:08 AM (#5520907)
Wait Pochettino didn't like loaning out players?

His preference has to been to keep the best academy players training with the first team and working with the coaching staff so they become expert in the things he wants and they don't pick up bad habits elsewhere. He seems to be shifting away from that now, or at least becoming more flexible. Or maybe he doesn't rate Onomah and CCV as much as I think he does. I think he rates both highly, though. Marcus Edwards will be the litmus test.
   265. There are a lot of good people in alt-Shooty Posted: August 25, 2017 at 11:34 AM (#5520934)
Ousmane Dembele to Barca is done. 105 million initial with another potential 42 million in add-ons. Who knows how easy or difficult the add-ons are to achieve. Let's call it 125 million to keep it simple, so a 110 million dollar profit for Dortmund, minus the 20 or so they have to give to Rennes.

If the Home Office allows Aurier entry into the UK, his move to Spurs will become official. I have no idea how certain or uncertain that is. UK immigration bureaucracy is one of the many, many blind spots in my shallow pool of knowledge.
   266. Nose army. Beef diaper? (CoB) Posted: August 25, 2017 at 11:53 AM (#5520944)

His preference has to been to keep the best academy players training with the first team and working with the coaching staff so they become expert in the things he wants and they don't pick up bad habits elsewhere. He seems to be shifting away from that now, or at least becoming more flexible. Or maybe he doesn't rate Onomah and CCV as much as I think he does. I think he rates both highly, though. Marcus Edwards will be the litmus test.


CCV just signed a contract extension that was announced at the same time as the loan. I think this is just a sign that Poch realizes that Onomah and CCV need actual game time desperately at this point, as well as the fact that since they've been training with the 1st team for a couple of years, they're already versed in Poch's methods and tactics and are less likely to pick up bad habits during their loan spell.

I think it's clear that Poch's preference is to work a player into the 1st team if he can find that player enough playing time that they continue to progress, like he seems to be doing with Harry Winks, for example.
   267. jmurph Posted: August 25, 2017 at 02:14 PM (#5521020)
The Guardian says Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain to Chelsea for 35 million might get done. Huh.
   268. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: August 25, 2017 at 03:12 PM (#5521068)
I've never understood the fascination with Chamberlain. Unless maybe you move him to more of a fullback role. As a winger, he just doesn't score or assist enough for me. His technical skill is a bit lacking for the CL tier of teams.
   269. I am going to be Frank Posted: August 25, 2017 at 03:14 PM (#5521071)
So it looks like the Spurs match on Sunday is on "NBC Live Extra Gold Money Grab." I did not pay for it, but I'm wondering if you members among the sizable Spurs contingent have already have/or will by Sunday.

It is my understanding that the Ox wants to play central midfield. Does he play that at Chelsea? His recent Arsenal history suggests he is basically Victor Moses with a little more versatility?
   270. Nose army. Beef diaper? (CoB) Posted: August 25, 2017 at 03:25 PM (#5521078)
I did not pay for it, but I'm wondering if you members among the sizable Spurs contingent have already have/or will by Sunday.


I have not gotten it, my inclination is to give NBC a big middle finger and not get it, but I'll have to see if my resolve holds on Sunday morning.

I wish I could remember how many of Spurs' matches won't be on TV, I want to say it was 6?

I'm not certain and less certain $50 is worth it for 6 matches.
   271. J. Sosa Posted: August 25, 2017 at 03:29 PM (#5521083)
Ox is the new Milner. He isn't a great player but he can fill a swiss army knife role for a CL team. Also much like Milner in that he fancies himself a CM even though there are other spots he is more effective.Basically a footballing Brock Holt. I'm disappointed Liverpool isn't picking him up. The club could use the cover in several spots.
   272. jmurph Posted: August 25, 2017 at 04:15 PM (#5521121)
I did not pay for it, but I'm wondering if you members among the sizable Spurs contingent have already have/or will by Sunday.
...
I have not gotten it, my inclination is to give NBC a big middle finger and not get it, but I'll have to see if my resolve holds on Sunday morning.

I mean I get this, but $50 for something like... 4-5 games a week is totally fine to me. I said it the first year NBC offered the other games for free, I'm shocked it's lasted this long. Yes I would prefer it to be free, as I am not a crazy person, but $50 doesn't seem extreme to me at all.

That said, I'll be trying to monitor how much I actually watch it this year to see if it's worth continuing. My team (Manchester City) is going to be one of the main tv games most of the week, as of course the other big teams will be.
   273. ckash Posted: August 26, 2017 at 12:38 PM (#5521481)
West Ham is a shambolic, unorganized, indifferent mess right now. I like Bilic as a manager but that team is ugly right now.
   274. Nose army. Beef diaper? (CoB) Posted: August 26, 2017 at 12:54 PM (#5521486)
United on the other hand ...
   275. Nose army. Beef diaper? (CoB) Posted: August 26, 2017 at 01:39 PM (#5521504)
If Leicester get a point out of this ... they should be delighted.

If they managed to keep this scoreless ... they should all go out for pizza ...
   276. Nose army. Beef diaper? (CoB) Posted: August 26, 2017 at 01:59 PM (#5521510)
Nope, no pizza.
   277. Nose army. Beef diaper? (CoB) Posted: August 26, 2017 at 02:33 PM (#5521519)
United are going to be a giant PITA this season.

Ugh.
   278. Swedish Chef Posted: August 26, 2017 at 04:40 PM (#5521554)
I used to miss the old dominant United.
   279. Nose army. Beef diaper? (CoB) Posted: August 27, 2017 at 10:03 AM (#5521760)
Have to feel a bit for Everton ... they've spent a ton of money ... and appear to have managed to tread water.
   280. Nose army. Beef diaper? (CoB) Posted: August 27, 2017 at 10:33 AM (#5521769)
Chew on this one for a while ...

Leicester have tabled a £27 million offer for Crystal Palace winger Andros Townsend,
   281. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: August 27, 2017 at 11:28 AM (#5521791)
Liverpool desperately needs to figure out their defense, they are so vulnerable to counters in the games I've watched this season. Their offense otherwise looks fantastic, though.
   282. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: August 27, 2017 at 11:43 AM (#5521796)
Mane is so ####### dangerous in space.

Arsenal looks so unathletic in the middle of the pitch.
   283. I am going to be Frank Posted: August 27, 2017 at 12:01 PM (#5521802)
West Ham is a shambolic, unorganized, indifferent mess right now.

Arsenal is a shambolic, unorganized, indifferent mess right now.

I would have been more clever using strikethrough but I don't know the tag for it.

Arsenal has sold Gabriel and Mustafi is rumored to be heading out the door too. Granted neither Gabriel nor Mustafi has been all that good, but Holding and Monreal are not the answer either. Xhaka isn't mobile enough and too aggressive to play with an undisciplined Ramsey. How does Wenger not see this?
   284. ckash Posted: August 27, 2017 at 12:02 PM (#5521803)
Coquelin in! When that is your answer for your midfield woes, you know you're screwed.
   285. sardonic Posted: August 27, 2017 at 12:37 PM (#5521813)
I believe that's what the English would call putting Arsenal to the sword. I'm not sure how much of this is Arsenal's comically bad defending or Liverpool just being so dangerous pressing high.
   286. Jose is an Absurd Doubles Machine Posted: August 27, 2017 at 12:43 PM (#5521815)
I've been in and out and I think Arsenal have been just awful. They'd have lost to Brighton playing like this, that it's 4-0 is a testament to the Liverpool attack. Given the opportunities they've taken them.
   287. Nose army. Beef diaper? (CoB) Posted: August 27, 2017 at 01:58 PM (#5521851)
Arsenal may have looked like hot #### on a cold fire, but I'm not sure losing 4-0 away at Liverpool is worse than drawing 1-1 with Burnley at home.

I am so very, VERY glad I didn't bother paying $50 to watch that dumpster fire.
   288. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: August 27, 2017 at 04:13 PM (#5521917)
It was nice of Kieran Trippier to prove what I already knew - he's not an acceptable replacement for Kyle Walker. They need to bring someone in.
   289. Nose army. Beef diaper? (CoB) Posted: August 27, 2017 at 05:17 PM (#5521961)
It was nice of Kieran Trippier to prove what I already knew - he's not an acceptable replacement for Kyle Walker. They need to bring someone in.


Aurier may be a bag of dicks, but from what I've read, he's very much what Spurs need at the RB spot.
   290. Mefisto Posted: August 27, 2017 at 08:10 PM (#5522060)
Mbappe to PSG is done. Loan for this season, purchase next summer.
   291. Mefisto Posted: August 27, 2017 at 08:11 PM (#5522061)
I end up watching the EPL games later than everyone else because I'm on the West Coast, so let me take this opportunity to say that man, Everton and Arsenal sucked.
   292. Jose is an Absurd Doubles Machine Posted: August 27, 2017 at 09:02 PM (#5522067)
I can't wait to see how PSG parlays Neymar and Mbappe into a quarterfinal loss in the CL.
   293. Richard Posted: August 27, 2017 at 09:24 PM (#5522070)


Interesting, United evidently favor a 3-4-3 formation, which ought to be good experience for the future for CCV.


3-5-2 rather than 3-4-3...

He was an unused substitute on Saturday, but given the rate of Blades player injuries at the moment is soon to feature sooner or later.
   294. Nose army. Beef diaper? (CoB) Posted: August 27, 2017 at 11:29 PM (#5522107)
3-5-2 rather than 3-4-3...


I'll freely admit ignorance ... I went with what was in the articles I read about the loan.


He was an unused substitute on Saturday, but given the rate of Blades player injuries at the moment is soon to feature sooner or later.


Hope so. He needs match experience. Hope he comes good.

   295. jmurph Posted: August 28, 2017 at 10:06 AM (#5522153)
So is getting fired mid season a more dignified end to Wenger's Arsenal stay, or leaving of his own accord at the end of last season after finally falling out of the top 4?

Obviously that's rhetorical and I'm mostly kidding- I still doubt they'd fire him- but he's so clearly not the right guy to fix them.
   296. ckash Posted: August 28, 2017 at 10:38 AM (#5522168)
Does Alexis stay past the transfer window? I can't see it happening after the Liverpool debacle, on top of last season's struggles. If he's not moved I would expect a season full of little "knocks" that keep him out of the lineup pretty regularly as a form of protest.
   297. jmurph Posted: August 28, 2017 at 11:50 AM (#5522215)
They have to hold onto Alexis, don't they? The season is still early, but it looks like they'll need all the help they can get just to qualify for the Europa League again.
   298. There are a lot of good people in alt-Shooty Posted: August 28, 2017 at 12:01 PM (#5522224)
Some transfer news:

Juan "there's only one" Foyth to Spurs from Estudiantes.
Kevin Wimmer from Spurs to Stoke. Spurs manage to make a profit there.
Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain to Chelsea.
Serge Aurier to Spurs is, supposedly, imminent.
Arsenal are supposedly about to punt Mustafi to Inter.
   299. There are a lot of good people in alt-Shooty Posted: August 28, 2017 at 12:03 PM (#5522225)
Also, I don't get why Chelsea has to pay 35 million AND massive wages to a guy like Ox when they have the deepest and best academy in England. What's the point of that academy if it can't save you from having to blow massive cash for an average player like Oxlade-Chamberlain?
   300. I am going to be Frank Posted: August 28, 2017 at 12:04 PM (#5522226)
Sulking Alexis is not good Alexis. Even if they sold Alexis I think they are still the sixth-best team in the PL, which they kind of are with him. They need two CB and a midfielder to complement Xhaka to be able to fight for top four, along with some tactical nous. I don't think Wenger is willing/can do that.

Apparently a fee has been agreed to for Oxlade-Chamberlain to go to Chelsea. Still doesn't make any sense to me. He's purely depth for Chelsea. He's not going to be a week-in and week-out starter in central midfield.

Edit: drnk to Shooty.
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