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Tuesday, November 06, 2012

OT: NFL/NHL thread

i estimate that absolutely noone gives a damn about the NHL, so by folding that thread into this one, we won’t distract from what this thread is really about: boner pills, blood doping (is it low t?), and…jesus christ did mike vick just throw another ####### interception?

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   1. RMc is a fine piece of cheese Posted: November 06, 2012 at 11:19 AM (#4294309)
noone gives a damn about the NHL

Don't know about that, but it was Peter's birthday yesterday!
   2. DA Baracus Posted: November 06, 2012 at 11:22 AM (#4294314)
i estimate that absolutely noone gives a damn about the NHL


Including Gary Bettman.
   3. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: November 06, 2012 at 02:20 PM (#4294636)
I give a damn about the NHL but man are they being ####### stupid. The league looked from the outside like it was really well set. They seemed to have recovered in the public's eye from 2004/2005 and the TV deal with NBC looked like it was paying dividends. They've had a couple of great seasons with some exciting young and marketable stars and now...this. The stupidity is off the charts. The inability to find a common ground is crazy.
   4. puck Posted: November 06, 2012 at 02:38 PM (#4294665)
What is the latest on the NHL CBA negotiations? I heard something about a 50/50 offer. But I suppose the devil is in the details...maybe starting with what counts as the revenue to be split up?
   5. Papa Squid Posted: November 06, 2012 at 03:04 PM (#4294691)
Basically, the players latest offers included provisions to eventually get to 50/50, but the sticking point is they want currently signed deals to be honoured (a not unreasonable request, I'd say. Unlike the last lockout, the league's survival isn't even being portrayed as being threatened -- it's just a matter of degrees of profit). The owners want a clawback of existing deals so as to get to 50/50 sooner. They're pretty close, I think, and they're negotiating today. We'll see if there's any progress. I'd be surprised if they blew up a season over this gap.
   6. Tripon Posted: November 06, 2012 at 04:17 PM (#4294837)
If the Colts make the playoffs, does that show just how bad a coach Jim Cadwell was?
   7. SoSH U at work Posted: November 06, 2012 at 04:28 PM (#4294856)
If the Colts make the playoffs, does that show just how bad a coach Jim Cadwell was?


I don't know, but I do know it shows just how bad Kerry Collins and Curtis Painter were (not that any additional evidence was required for that conclusion to be reached).

But if the Colts make the playoffs, it's more a product of the AFC being so dreadful than anything else.

   8. zack Posted: November 06, 2012 at 05:47 PM (#4295029)
I liked this article, I don't know how accurate it is but I like that it names names.

The fact that this:
When it comes to dissent on the owners' side, Bettman only requires the support of eight teams to veto any proposal from the NHLPA.

is an NHL by-law pretty much guarantees never-ending labor strife. ####### ####### bastards.
   9. Dan Evensen Posted: November 06, 2012 at 06:33 PM (#4295094)
I actually really, really miss the NHL. The product they've put out over the past few years has been excellent. Games have been very fast paced and interesting, and the fan experience has been very rewarding. I've been consoling myself with DVDs of prior Stanley Cup Finals series (watching 1987 right now), but the constant stoppages and whistles really make me long for the current game.

#3 is dead on. It is absolutely baffling that the NHL and NHLPA still can't find common ground. Cancelling the Winter Classic is a major symbolic sacrifice, which I don't think will prove worthwhile in the end.

Basically, I don't think it's a question of the NHL potentially losing all the ground it's gained over the past 7 years or so. The league has already lost that ground.
   10. zenbitz Posted: November 11, 2012 at 05:01 PM (#4300156)
I wonder what the WPA of the Saints taking a safety up 4 with 49s left (no time outs) on their own 2? If they were up 6 it would be a no brainer.
   11. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: November 11, 2012 at 05:10 PM (#4300160)
The entire city of New Orleans could be destroyed by rain, fire or nuclear bomb and it would be a net win for civilization.
   12. Kurt Posted: November 11, 2012 at 05:10 PM (#4300161)
I don't think you can take a safety there. They were much better off making the Falcons score a touchdown, especially indoors.
   13. DA Baracus Posted: November 11, 2012 at 05:13 PM (#4300162)
The Falcons are who we thought they are.
   14. JJ1986 Posted: November 11, 2012 at 05:33 PM (#4300176)
The announcer mentioned it, but he seemed to be figuring it backwards or something - considering a lead of either 4 or 6 points would put them in the same position. There's too much of a difference between 2 and 4.
   15. smileyy Posted: November 11, 2012 at 05:37 PM (#4300180)
So what is it about the piles of tv money the NFL and MLB are raking in without a work stoppage that the NHL hates so much?
   16. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: November 11, 2012 at 05:39 PM (#4300181)
The strategy of punt and then hold every receiver off the line on the ensuing possession seems to have worked fine for them.

Seriously. New Orleans needs to drown in a flood.
   17. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: November 11, 2012 at 05:48 PM (#4300192)
ok, i see one clearly missed tackle. the cornerback with the hard to spell name just flat out missed
   18. DA Baracus Posted: November 11, 2012 at 05:51 PM (#4300194)
He's been missing tackles for years.
   19. Tripon Posted: November 11, 2012 at 05:53 PM (#4300197)
So what is it about the piles of tv money the NFL and MLB are raking in without a work stoppage that the NHL hates so much?


The owners have to have more money than anyone else in their business. Not a 'lot' of money, more money. They don't understand in a labor intensive and hard to replace labor force like there is in professional sports, that the labor costs should reflect that. So, they try to force their workers to accept unreasonable demands.
   20. Tripon Posted: November 11, 2012 at 06:11 PM (#4300209)
The ads for Silver Linings so far is "Come see sexy Jennifer Lawerence argue about Eagles football!" which is admittedly not bad advertising..
   21. JJ1986 Posted: November 11, 2012 at 06:21 PM (#4300217)
Nick Foles time.
   22. The Ghost's Tryin' to Reason with Hurricane Season Posted: November 11, 2012 at 07:40 PM (#4300243)
Just as I was about to say the Jets are hopeless, the Seahawks lose a TD on a penantly and immediately follow with another flag....

...oh, but now a gadget play, Golden Tate THROWS a TD.
   23. steagles Posted: November 11, 2012 at 09:02 PM (#4300277)
Nick Foles time.
pop-quiz hotshot:

between the eagles and the phillies, which team has the more recent win?
   24. Tripon Posted: November 11, 2012 at 11:30 PM (#4300366)
Nick foles did not look good. If Eagles fans think he's going to save their season, they are kidding themselves.
   25. DA Baracus Posted: November 11, 2012 at 11:34 PM (#4300369)
The season is beyond saving. Anyone who thinks anything can save it is fooling themself.
   26. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: November 11, 2012 at 11:46 PM (#4300376)
Most Eagles fans I know gave up on Michael Vick at least 13 months ago. Either he was going to be injured half the time or he was going to throw the ball straight to a defensive back every two or three drives in between periods of greatness.

As for Nick Foles, it was interesting watching an Eagles QB float passes around like balloons with the hope that they would land softly in the arms of a motionless receiver. After ten years of McNabb always erring on the side of rifling the ball at the receiver's feet, and then Vick sowing chaos wherever he goes.
   27. Monty Predicts a Padres-Mariners WS in 2016 Posted: November 12, 2012 at 01:38 AM (#4300417)
I'm kind of interested in the NHL coming to Seattle with this new arena deal. In a couple years, I should be able to buy a team myself.
   28. Papa Squid Posted: November 12, 2012 at 02:02 AM (#4300422)
Don Fehr seems to be driving the NHL owners nuts. I mean, how dare he try to get the best deal for his constituents? The nerve!
   29. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: November 12, 2012 at 02:09 AM (#4300426)
not a good day for the real refs. 80 second clock rundown and nobody notices in STL at SF, then the 2012 version of Jerry rice discarding the football before the end zone which goes unnoticed as well.

A tie! Love it. question: what was the last tie game in I-A history before the advent of OT in I-A (FBS) college football. A truly pathetic game, Hint: 1995 and I'm betting one of our older posters was in attendance.
   30. McCoy Posted: November 12, 2012 at 10:27 AM (#4300486)
So the Bears head into their hardest stretch of games and of course have Cutler go down.
   31. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: November 12, 2012 at 10:34 AM (#4300487)
mrams

is that the tie against illinois? what a dreary game. blech
   32. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: November 12, 2012 at 10:50 AM (#4300492)
that was easy. Yeah, 3-3.
   33. Kurt Posted: November 12, 2012 at 12:30 PM (#4300556)
So the Bears head into their hardest stretch of games and of course have Cutler go down.

Hey, Mr. Sunshine is back! We missed you last week!
   34. Poulanc Posted: November 12, 2012 at 01:23 PM (#4300596)
So the Bears head into their hardest stretch of games and of course have Cutler go down.


No snark intended, but isn't that a positive for the Bears? Cutler has been mediocre at best.
   35. Tripon Posted: November 12, 2012 at 01:30 PM (#4300606)
Poulanc, you didn't see Jason Campell play last night.
   36. Poulanc Posted: November 12, 2012 at 02:03 PM (#4300635)
Poulanc, you didn't see Jason Campell play last night.


You are right, I didn't. And I've always thought that Campbell could succeed in the NFL given a chance. That's probably clouded my vision.
   37. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: November 12, 2012 at 02:06 PM (#4300639)
Jason Campbell looked pretty good to me. That tight end they have drops more passes than Braylon Edwards. And neither offense could make any progress in that weather.
   38. zenbitz Posted: November 12, 2012 at 04:00 PM (#4300737)
The only good part of the Rams-Niners game, other than, I suppose, the Niners not losing a game they were outplayed in, and some kewl fake punts was getting to see Colin Kaepernick in non-garbagetime/non-preseason action.

Summary: Obviously not really ready to be an NFL starter.

The good: Great runner and strong arm. After a shakey start he did complete like 10 of 11 for 100-odd yards, which isn't shabby. Extended a few plays with his feet. No picks

The bad: Some horrific overthrows, not super accurate. Really poor reads - missing wide open receivers, making odd decisions when flushed from the pocket ("I'll run ... no I'll pass no I'll run... ahhhh sideline")

The ugly: 2 fumbles although both recovered - one on a sack, one on a center exchange (that Gore picked up off the ground and ran for 12 yards!)

It could be Backup QB Monday Football next week as the Niners host the Bears! Maybe instead of a coinflip Alex Smith and Cutler can play a game of "memory" or chess or something to see who gets the Kickoff.


I suppose it's better for the Niners to have a healthy Alex smith vs. the Bears. Although I must admit I am intrigued to see what Kapernick can do with a week of practice with the 1st team. I think OCs have a little coaching advantage the first game with a new QB, because of the lack of film. I would guess that it's better with a Runnin' QB like Kaepernick than a check-down artist like Campbell, but eh.
   39. DA Baracus Posted: November 12, 2012 at 04:08 PM (#4300745)
   40. Tripon Posted: November 12, 2012 at 04:39 PM (#4300771)
So Fred Jackson has a concussion, which means people who own C.J. Spiller have another viable starter.
   41. steagles Posted: November 12, 2012 at 06:38 PM (#4300865)
i still want to talk about yesterdays game, but for now, i'd just like to say this about the coverage of nick foles.

i see a lot of people comparing this situation to troy aikman's rookie year, in that even if he takes a severe beating behind a terrible offensive line, he could still come back and have a great career.

leaving aside whether that last part is possible, is troy aikman really the ideal comparison? i know he won 3 superbowls, but his career was ended because of repeated concussions, and if i were to guess at which is a more likely outcome for foles, i would not choose the multiple superbowls.
   42. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: November 12, 2012 at 07:00 PM (#4300881)
i am feeling ok about thinking the jets would win about 4 games
   43. DA Baracus Posted: November 12, 2012 at 07:03 PM (#4300884)
How about we see if Nick Foles is even good enough to be a marginal starter before we compare him in anyway to Troy Aikman.
   44. Kurt Posted: November 12, 2012 at 07:04 PM (#4300886)
Ha! Harveys, I was just thinking about that. They still have to go 1-6 to make that happen, but yeah. They're not very good.
   45. McCoy Posted: November 12, 2012 at 08:05 PM (#4300928)

No snark intended, but isn't that a positive for the Bears? Cutler has been mediocre at best.


My buddy was telling me last night that occasionally backup QBs come in and surprise you. I sayd yeah, when the backup QB is Steve Young otherwise it's over.

I say the Bears go 3-4 over the last 7 games if Cutler is going to start missing games which I expect to happen since he's gotten the crap beat out of him this year.
   46. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: November 12, 2012 at 08:11 PM (#4300937)
i am disappointed in gabe carimi's performance. he has not played at an nfl level
   47. steagles Posted: November 12, 2012 at 08:12 PM (#4300938)
As for Nick Foles, it was interesting watching an Eagles QB float passes around like balloons with the hope that they would land softly in the arms of a motionless receiver. After ten years of McNabb always erring on the side of rifling the ball at the receiver's feet, and then Vick sowing chaos wherever he goes.
how quickly we forget about jeff garcia.
My buddy was telling me last night that occasionally backup QBs come in and surprise you. I sayd yeah, when the backup QB is Steve Young otherwise it's over.
see above.
   48. SoSH U at work Posted: November 12, 2012 at 08:27 PM (#4300952)
How about we see if Nick Foles is even good enough to be a marginal starter before we compare him in anyway to Troy Aikman.


And if he becomes a marginal starter, it will be the perfect time to compare him to Troy Aikman.

I'll never waver in my disdain for the super elite status conferred upon Dave Krieg with Bling.
   49. AJMcCringleberry Posted: November 12, 2012 at 08:53 PM (#4300965)
i am feeling ok about thinking the jets would win about 4 games

I thought this year would be even worse than most Jets years. Looking good so far. I would complain about Sanchez starting, but Tebow would be even worse. But at least Rex Ryan is playing to win...oh, he punted down 21 in the fourth quarter? Nevermind.
   50. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: November 12, 2012 at 09:05 PM (#4300970)
Is it possible to "play to win" when you're down 21 in the fourth quarter?
   51. AJMcCringleberry Posted: November 12, 2012 at 09:20 PM (#4300984)
Not punt when there are 7 minutes left.
   52. steagles Posted: November 12, 2012 at 09:22 PM (#4300985)
I would complain about Sanchez starting, but Tebow would be even worse.
no. mark sanchez is a terrible QB. tim tebow is just a terrible passer (well that, and he's also someone who enjoys mutilating the genitals of children).


neither QB is gonna get you 25 PPG, but at least with tebow, you have the potential to have a 10+ minute advantage in time of possession, and while that doesn't put points on the board, it does prevent your opponent from putting points on the board.

considering how rex ryan made his bones in this league (with fierce defenses that had a nose for the ball and the endzone), tim tebow is really the kind of QB i would expect to excel with ryan as coach.
   53. Tripon Posted: November 12, 2012 at 09:27 PM (#4300987)
Tim Tebow is not a QB. He's a poor running back who can pass a little bit.
   54. AJMcCringleberry Posted: November 12, 2012 at 09:32 PM (#4300991)
while that doesn't put points on the board, it does prevent your opponent from putting points on the board.

Losing by one TD a game instead of two wouldn't make me feel much better.
   55. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: November 12, 2012 at 09:33 PM (#4300993)
so did ryan really believe he was that good of a coach he could make chicken salad out of chicken sh8t? because that roster was a few stars and a lot of scrubs and once injury hit it was a whole lotta nothing.

   56. AJMcCringleberry Posted: November 12, 2012 at 09:44 PM (#4300998)
I'm guessing he just didn't think they were that bad. This is no better than an 8 win team even if they didn't lose their best offensive and defensive players.
   57. DA Baracus Posted: November 12, 2012 at 09:46 PM (#4301000)
But at least Rex Ryan is playing to win...oh, he punted down 21 in the fourth quarter? Nevermind.


Even better, Seattle went for it up 21.

at least with tebow, you have the potential to have a 10+ minute advantage in time of possession


Theoretically. In reality last year the Broncos under Tebow never had a 10+ minute advantage. They did have a 5+ minute advantage three times, and went 1-2 in those games. The did have a 5+ minute deficit twice, including a 15 minute disadvantage. They of course won that game.
   58. Tripon Posted: November 12, 2012 at 09:50 PM (#4301002)
Somebody at btf looked into last year with tebow, and I think the general conclusion was that while you had a lower interception rate, you had a higher fumble rate due to tebow keeping the ball in his hands for so long.
   59. DA Baracus Posted: November 12, 2012 at 09:54 PM (#4301004)
I remember that. IIRC that was when he had an obviously unsustainable INT rate of 1%, which as expected increased as the season went on. And he finished with the worst sack % in the league too.
   60. BDC Posted: November 12, 2012 at 11:49 PM (#4301066)
A tie! Love it

Why does the NFL play overtime if a tie is one possible result? Ties are very scarce under the current overtime rules, and almost not worth caring about, but it's a bit like calling a baseball game a tie after 12 innings or something. Why not just send everybody home early and get some rest?
   61. steagles Posted: November 13, 2012 at 02:00 AM (#4301124)
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Nick foles did not look good.
this is a breakdown of his performance by a philly beatwriter. having not really looked at his stats before this, i was pretty surprised to see that foles completed 22 of 32 passes. i just would not have guessed that at all. come to think of it, that might have quite a lot to do with the 27 defensive holding penalties called on morris claiborne.

but otherwise, the stats back up what i saw. he was very inaccurate in the 5-15 yard range, and he never really challenged the defense deep.

so basically, he was michael vick.


in other news, the offensive line roulette continues as julian vandervelde was released and jake scott was signed. i'm a fan of that. this season is over, but the eagles will have at least one hole on the offensive line next year, and as many as 4, depending on the rehab of jason peters, jason kelce, and todd herremens, so if you bring in a guy that can play now, that's one less hole that you have to worry about in free agency/at the draft.
   62. Tripon Posted: November 13, 2012 at 02:00 AM (#4301125)
Bad week for the NFL. QB injuries and especially concussions point is not something the league wants to see.
   63. DA Baracus Posted: November 13, 2012 at 02:43 AM (#4301137)
if you bring in a guy that can play now, that's one less hole that you have to worry about in free agency/at the draft.


Meh. If Jake Scott could play now, he wouldn't be available. So many teams need offensive line help, if you're picking a guy up off the street that says a lot and none of it good. He won't be on the team next year, but then again many players won't.
   64. E., Hinske Posted: November 13, 2012 at 08:53 AM (#4301163)
Re: #8. Mark Spector is amongst the worst sportswriters in Canada. Complete garbage. Wouldn't believe a word he said.

Hockey's got a weird problem because the hockey media world and hockey world in general is tiny. I get the sense a lot of them are under pressure to report things a certain way to keep their sources hap. Bob McKenzie, who's probably the biggest of the insider types is basically not covering the lockout, I assume in part to avoid poisoning a bunch of relationships that he has.

In any event, it's asinine. We'll see how much I watch when they sort it out. PL/Championship/Bundesliga/Champions League are filling the hole fine.
   65. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: November 13, 2012 at 01:37 PM (#4301422)
The last time the NHL cancelled its season, Dejan Kovacevic transferred to become a baseball writer and is now a favorite of Pirates fans. Which hockey writers might be recruited to baseball writing when this season is officially cancelled?
   66. caprules Posted: November 13, 2012 at 02:24 PM (#4301473)
Fun stat heard on M & M this morning - The last time the Chiefs won a game with a QB they drafted was 407 games ago, 1983, Todd Blackledge.
   67. The Buddy Biancalana Hit Counter Posted: November 13, 2012 at 03:34 PM (#4301562)
Fun stat heard on M & M this morning - The last time the Chiefs won a game with a QB they drafted was 407 games ago, 1983, Todd Blackledge.

The Chiefs drafted Blackledge in '83 but, according to Pro Football Reference, he last won a game as a starter in Week 1 of the '87 season. So it's only been a quarter century since the Chiefs won a game with a (terrible) QB they drafted. Just feels like it's been 30 years.
   68. steagles Posted: November 13, 2012 at 10:22 PM (#4302015)
from mike florio at PFT:
Mike Vick’s concussion will heal as soon as Nick Foles gets one.
   69. Tripon Posted: November 13, 2012 at 10:41 PM (#4302033)
Its kinda sad just how much Andy Reid lost of his so called 'integrity'.
   70. steagles Posted: November 13, 2012 at 11:28 PM (#4302085)
Its kinda sad just how much Andy Reid lost of his so called 'integrity'.
he actually reminds me a bit of (my impression of) bill james, in that he came to prominence because he was ahead of his time, but when time caught up, he was so stuck in his ways that he never adjusted and time passed him by.

personally, i'd have fired him in 2008 (that's the year they made their last run to the NFL championship game) after the eagles played cincinnati to a tie in week 11. at that point it was clear that he'd lost his edge, and when the eagles made their run that postseason, all that meant was that bought us was the last 4 years of mediocrity. if reid was fired at that point, there's no michael vick era, the donovan mcnabb era ends, and kevin kolb gets his shot as the starting quarterback without giving himself whiplash as mike vick takes the job away from him week 1.
   71. Langer Monk Posted: November 14, 2012 at 12:39 AM (#4302131)
Three articles yesterday on the NHL lockout -
One
Two
Three

This season is toast. Unconscionable.
   72. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: November 14, 2012 at 12:46 AM (#4302137)
I once sat next to a housewife from Winnipeg who was chaperoning a cheer squad to Atlanta, via Toronto. She apologized, for her husband, for Winnipeg stealing the Thrashers.

I had no idea that the NHL was in lockout mode until this thread.
   73. DA Baracus Posted: November 14, 2012 at 12:51 AM (#4302140)
Reminds me of when I was at a Thrashers game and some people from Winnipeg were in the row in front of us and they looked around at the maybe 8,000 people in attendance and asked "where is everybody" and we explained "this is it."
   74. Copronymus Posted: November 16, 2012 at 11:53 AM (#4304202)
Bettman and the owners love throwing out gloomy ultimatums, just like they're on their 3rd "best offer" of the lockout. There's no reason for anyone to be seriously worried about the loss of the whole season in mid-November.
   75. Papa Squid Posted: November 16, 2012 at 12:10 PM (#4304219)
Seems to me the owners are more interested in playing chicken and posturing than getting a deal done. It also seems to me that they've underestimated Don Fehr.
   76. Random Transaction Generator Posted: November 16, 2012 at 12:35 PM (#4304238)
I was born and raised a hockey fan (Toronto), and became a baseball fan when I was about 12 years old (1983).
Now that I'm 41, I can easily say I'm a bigger baseball fan than a hockey fan.
I still prefer hockey playoffs over baseball playoffs, and I'm more likely to go insane about a Maple Leafs playoff run than a Blue Jays playoff run, but I am far more likely to watch a full baseball game than a hockey game.
I definitely will watch a baseball game involving two teams that I don't root for (say Boston vs Texas). There is almost no chance I'll watch a regular season NHL game unless it involves the Leafs.

I'm also more informed about all the players in the American League than I am in the Eastern Conference.

I've attended about more baseball games in the past season than I have attended NHL games in the past 15 years.


   77. Langer Monk Posted: November 16, 2012 at 06:43 PM (#4304641)
By the way, the reason I honestly believe the season is in jeopardy is not the date - it's the information we've been given that the owners want the players to concede every single issue, from the share of revenue to length of contracts, age of free agency, and so on. I think the owners are willing to sacrifice another season to in effect break the union. I think they have underestimated Fehr and the NHLPA's resolve. I think they expect them to get everything they want in the middle of 2013, like what happened in 2005.

The problem is that the NHL is basically losing every facet of this negotiation so far, and they by and large are looking terrible while they do it. And the question is do they realize this and make a deal, or do they hope the NHLPA shatters first. I have little confidence Bettman makes the right decision.
   78. Tripon Posted: November 17, 2012 at 02:50 PM (#4304956)
Deadspin calls out in a detailed article on ESPN's obsession with Tim Tebow.

I personally believed all the positive ESPN coverage of his college career got Tebow to be picked in the first round. No way a team would have picked what projects to be a backup QB at best with a first rounder without the insane coverage around Tim Tebow.

edit: The part where the morning Sportscenter program and 1st Take are battling each other for Tim Tebow news (and the ratings I guess it generates is particularly crazy.) ITS THE SAME NETWORK. COME ON GUYS. THIS ISN'T HARD. YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO COMPETE AGAINST YOURSELF.
   79. BDC Posted: November 17, 2012 at 03:31 PM (#4304974)
I'm looking forward to the Cowboys-Browns game tomorrow. Not exactly the marquee matchup of the weekend, but I have a ticket, the weather is nice in Arlington, and I can walk to the Stadium from my office. After a decade or so of spending my free time in Dallas or Fort Worth (and then in New York for several years more), I've come to appreciate that Arlington offers a few art galleries of note, occasional live music, and par excellence major-league sports, so I should just stop grumbling about Jerry Jones and go to the games and enjoy them. Most of my Cowboy-friend fans have done the opposite: they used to like the relative discomfort and inconvenience (and to be fair, the affordability) of Texas Stadium or before that, the Cotton Bowl. But I'll be shallow and go to a couple of games at Jerry's palace this year. Expectations are low, and I won't be in mortal anguish if Cleveland wins tomorrow.
   80. Tom Nawrocki Posted: November 17, 2012 at 04:15 PM (#4305016)
I've come to appreciate that Arlington offers a few art galleries of note, occasional live music, and par excellence major-league sports


I've been working in the Arlington area a lot lately - are there any restaurants there you can recommend? I'd settle for something in Grand Prairie.

And to get somewhat back on topic, I've started posting writeups of old NFL games again, in case anyone is interested. Sorry for all the Raiders games, but that's what's available now.
   81. JJ1986 Posted: November 17, 2012 at 04:42 PM (#4305040)
No way a team would have picked what projects to be a backup QB at best with a first rounder


I don't know about that. It was an incredibly bad QB year and three guys who were arguably worse went ahead of Tebow in the first round.
   82. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: November 17, 2012 at 04:51 PM (#4305049)
I personally believed all the positive ESPN coverage of his college career got Tebow to be picked in the first round. No way a team would have picked what projects to be a backup QB at best with a first rounder without the insane coverage around Tim Tebow.

I think that has more to do with Josh McDaniels and the attitude that he was smarter than everyone else. He's not the only New England coach who has had that attitude.
   83. BDC Posted: November 17, 2012 at 09:09 PM (#4305201)
I've been working in the Arlington area a lot lately - are there any restaurants there you can recommend?

Pho Palace at Collins and Pioneer. Prince Lebanese, about 2 miles west of the Ballpark on Randol Mill Road, is well-known and very good, but so is Beirut Rock just south of UTA campus on Cooper Street. There are two good Indian restaurants of long standing: Tandoor at Randol Mill & Fielder, and Star India at Cooper and Park Row. Of the newer downtown restaurants, I like the Mellow Mushroom on Center Street, just south of Division. It's a (minor) chain (as are the other places downtown); the ones I've mentioned and prefer are the real inexpensive-storefront deal.

Grand Prairie, I've only been to a few unmemorable places, but there is a string of long-standing Mexican restaurants on Main Street that must be doing something right. Best Mexican in Arlington is probably La Isla on Park Row just east of Cooper. They have a second location on Pioneer just west of 360.

And I will add Old Timey NFL to my bookmarks commencing now. I probably saw a lot of those games live on TV.

   84. Kurt Posted: November 17, 2012 at 10:14 PM (#4305248)
I don't know about that. It was an incredibly bad QB year and three guys who were arguably worse went ahead of Tebow in the first round.

Huh? The only QB to go ahead of Tebow in that draft was Bradford at #1. The incredibly bad year part is correct - none of the 11 quarterbacks picked after Tebow have outperformed him.
   85. MHS Posted: November 17, 2012 at 10:40 PM (#4305275)
I think that has more to do with Josh McDaniels and the attitude that he was smarter than everyone else. He's not the only New England coach who has had that attitude.


One of them actually is though.
   86. steagles Posted: November 18, 2012 at 03:07 PM (#4305566)
i am pretty sure that you could have made something like a 1000% profit if you went back to week one and bet against the eagles every week. yep. they are 1-7-1 against the spread this season, and even that, i think, is an overestimation of their season.
   87. Tripon Posted: November 18, 2012 at 03:18 PM (#4305571)
Nick Foles kinda sucks.
   88. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: November 18, 2012 at 03:50 PM (#4305575)
Dominique Franks is the worst kick returner I've ever seen.
   89. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: November 18, 2012 at 04:12 PM (#4305580)
Nick Foles kinda sucks.

The most popular guy in town is often the backup quarterback until he starts to play and people remember why he was the backup in the first place.

RG3 is having a pretty fantastic day.
   90. steagles Posted: November 18, 2012 at 04:17 PM (#4305581)
this team is such a ####### disgrace.

   91. Tripon Posted: November 18, 2012 at 04:23 PM (#4305582)

The most popular guy in town is often the backup quarterback until he starts to play and people remember why he was the backup in the first place.

RG3 is having a pretty fantastic day.


Yep, I fully expect the Eagles to announce that Vick is over his concussion as soon as this game ends.
   92. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: November 18, 2012 at 05:11 PM (#4305598)
RG3 might be having one of the best statistical days ever by a quarterback. 14/15 for 200 yards and 4 touchdowns passing, 85 yards on 11 rushes. Yikes.
   93. steagles Posted: November 18, 2012 at 05:21 PM (#4305607)
two things:

1, between the phillies and the eagles, the phillies still have the more recent win.
and 2, the eagles are 4 points away from being 0-10.
   94. DA Baracus Posted: November 18, 2012 at 05:52 PM (#4305619)
Yep, I fully expect the Eagles to announce that Vick is over his concussion as soon as this game ends.


Reid should be immediately fired if he does, since Vick isn't ready for basic testing yet.
   95. steagles Posted: November 18, 2012 at 05:58 PM (#4305621)
Nick Foles kinda sucks.
i was a big fan of his prior to the draft, so i'm not gonna give up on him after one start, but yeah, he did not look good. he threw way too many dead ducks, and the team as a whole did absolutely nothing downfield.


this offense has a terrible combination of attributes right now. they don't throw the ball deep, so defenses can put 8 in the box. but their blocking is so terrible that they don't even need to do that to rush the passer or stuff the run. i honestly think that the eagles could have played this entire game with an 11-10 advantage in manpower and still lost by double-digits because they're so ####### terrible on offense.
   96. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: November 18, 2012 at 06:57 PM (#4305638)
are there a dearth of competent offensive linemen in pro football, a dearth of good line coaching, injury has ravaged the position or d-linemen are just that superior? because you look around the league and offensive line play as a group is horrible

   97. BDC Posted: November 18, 2012 at 07:09 PM (#4305645)
Too exciting an afternoon at the Stadium, almost. I was expecting a sloppy game, not close (and not necessarily that the Cowboys would win), but it turned into a high-blood-pressure game and an overtime win for Dallas. Speaking of weak offensive line play, Tony Romo was in trouble all afternoon, but bailed out again and again by the tendency of the Cleveland defense to be called (for a stretch on what seemed nearly every pass) either for illegal contact or for interference. It was almost like that was Cleveland's pass-defense tactics. And actually, if your receivers are being held all day, there may be no offensive line good enough to protect you for long.

Romo did one thing I'd never seen before: argued a penalty and got it reversed. He was called for intentional grounding, which offset defensive holding on the same play. Romo pointed out that the Browns were holding the receiver he was trying to throw to, so naturally the pass wasn't going to reach him – and the referee bought it.
   98. Monty Predicts a Padres-Mariners WS in 2016 Posted: November 18, 2012 at 07:16 PM (#4305648)
Oh, Chargers.
   99. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: November 18, 2012 at 07:38 PM (#4305658)
are there a dearth of competent offensive linemen in pro football, a dearth of good line coaching, injury has ravaged the position or d-linemen are just that superior? because you look around the league and offensive line play as a group is horrible


I honestly think it's the latter of your options. I think d-line is just getting faster, stronger and far more athletic than the o-line counterparts.
   100. Eddo Posted: November 18, 2012 at 08:28 PM (#4305674)
Flip.
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