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OT: NFL/NHL thread

i estimate that absolutely noone gives a damn about the NHL, so by folding that thread into this one, we won’t distract from what this thread is really about: boner pills, blood doping (is it low t?), and…jesus christ did mike vick just throw another ####### interception?

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   101. Eddo Posted: November 18, 2012 at 08:29 PM (#4305675)
I honestly think it's the latter of your options. I think d-line is just getting faster, stronger and far more athletic than the o-line counterparts.

I agree. As players get bigger, faster, and stronger, every aspect of the game favors defenses. People love to complain about how the rules today "favor the offense", but if they hadn't evolved to this point, we'd be seeing mostly 10-6 games.
   102. Tripon Posted: November 18, 2012 at 08:42 PM (#4305680)
San Diego should totally extend Norv Turner and A.J. Smith past their contracts.
   103. Tripon Posted: November 18, 2012 at 09:55 PM (#4305707)
Mike Vick’s concussion symptoms could be subsiding quickly.

With the Eagles struggling (again) on offense and defense and rookie quarterback Nick Foles not playing very well, the Eagles no longer have any reason to overstate the condition of Vick following the “significant” concussion suffered last Sunday.

And that’s precisely what the Eagles were doing, we’re told. Though Vick’s concussion definitely was bad enough to keep him from playing on Sunday, a source with knowledge of the situation says Vick could be ready to play next week.


Yep.

   104. DA Baracus Posted: November 18, 2012 at 10:03 PM (#4305709)
I wouldn't be shocked if they did, but speculation by Mike Florio is meaningless.

Edit: Four days ago he said "it truly is a "significant" concussion" and now he's saying it never was. Which is it Mike?
   105. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: November 18, 2012 at 10:24 PM (#4305719)
are there a dearth of competent offensive linemen in pro football, a dearth of good line coaching, injury has ravaged the position or d-linemen are just that superior? because you look around the league and offensive line play as a group is horrible


Harvey's did you have breakfast with Bob McGinn this morning?

OL not important anymore
   106. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: November 18, 2012 at 10:30 PM (#4305721)
mrams

ha. nope.

but the packers and bears are 14-5 between them and their offensive lines are bad.

   107. DA Baracus Posted: November 18, 2012 at 10:30 PM (#4305722)
Anyone who thinks the o-line isn't important anymore hasn't watched a Cardinals or Eagles game.
   108. Tripon Posted: November 19, 2012 at 12:59 AM (#4305762)
That was not a football game, that was a beatdown committed by the Ravens defense on Bryon Leftwich.
   109. Morph Posted: November 19, 2012 at 07:21 AM (#4305782)
Let me be the first delusional Jets fan to say this: if they beat the Patriots on Thanksgiving, running the table is a possibility.
   110. MHS Posted: November 19, 2012 at 10:22 AM (#4305805)
The odds of the jets running the table have to inside of 3%.

In re: to offensive line play, seems to me the best teams still got it. To my untrained eye all of the AFC title contenders have very good o-line play.
   111. zack Posted: November 19, 2012 at 11:59 AM (#4305852)
I honestly think it's the latter of your options. I think d-line is just getting faster, stronger and far more athletic than the o-line counterparts.


Year   OL  DL     Top 10
2012    4  10     1 
0
2011    8  12     1 
2
2010    6  9      2 
3
2009    6  6      3 


Just from eyeballing the first round drafts, might have screwed up some POS abbreviations, not including TEs and I don't know how that translates to the NFL. I'd have to think the salaries are better for DL in general as well. All I could find was Top 10 salaries by position, and using "average salary" (which I'm assuming is AAV, I don't pay attention to football anymore because of Bills):

Average of Top 10 highest salaries:
C       $4,870,867 
OG      
$6,536,867 
OT      
$9,487,857 
DE      
$12,080,535 
DT      
$9,089,968 


So yeah, if you're a huge, athletic guy why wouldn't you be a DL?
   112. Tripon Posted: November 19, 2012 at 06:24 PM (#4306266)
Ed Reed suspended for one game for the unnecessary helmet to helmet hit on Emmanuel Sanders. And you know, being a head hunter. Ed Reed already appealed via the NFLPA.
   113. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: November 19, 2012 at 06:35 PM (#4306271)
So yeah, if you're a huge, athletic guy why wouldn't you be a DL?


If you're capable of playing either line, and you're at all interested in 1) fame, 2) money, you play defense. In the NFL, defensive lines attack, rush the passer, make plays, and generally are the better players. Offensive lines try to defend the QB in the pocket while the skill positions attack the secondary.
   114. Ray (RDP) Posted: November 19, 2012 at 06:36 PM (#4306272)
Let me be the first delusional Jets fan to say this: if they beat the Patriots on Thanksgiving, running the table is a possibility.


With what offense? They don't throw the ball enough to score, particularly vertically.
   115. bunyon Posted: November 19, 2012 at 06:37 PM (#4306274)
How are the NHL talks going?

I haven't really kept up but I think it would be if they settled too late to have a regular season but early enough to have a playoff:


30 team single-elimination playoffs, 7 games each.

Stanley cup winner and best regular season record get byes.

Would be fun, no?
   116. Ray (RDP) Posted: November 19, 2012 at 06:41 PM (#4306276)
Its kinda sad just how much Andy Reid lost of his so called 'integrity'.

he actually reminds me a bit of (my impression of) bill james, in that he came to prominence because he was ahead of his time, but when time caught up, he was so stuck in his ways that he never adjusted and time passed him by.


I think of this in connection with the ball-control-and-defense type head coaches ("ground and pound" or whatever the silliness is called) like Rex Ryan. Between the rules changes and the intensified focus on headhunt and protecting the QBs/receivers, the passing game is heavily favored right now, and teams more than ever need to pass early, often, and deep to consistently win. (Admittedly, this thesis is a guess on my part, but I think it's true.)
   117. Ray (RDP) Posted: November 19, 2012 at 06:43 PM (#4306279)
I'm looking forward to the Cowboys-Browns game tomorrow.


I'm off the Cowboys' bandwagon. They were under .500 coming in, and then had to struggle to beat the Browns. That is not good.
   118. steagles Posted: November 19, 2012 at 06:46 PM (#4306282)
How are the NHL talks going?
reports have come out about ed snider and brian burke and various other hockey-lifers who have stepped up recently and gotten involved in the negotiations. if they can't move this along in the next few days, i don't think there's much hope for a deal anytime soon.
   119. Langer Monk Posted: November 19, 2012 at 06:50 PM (#4306283)
How are the NHL talks going?


Not well. But the sides are meeting tonight at 7pm. Which is better than the proposed two week moratorium that Bettman offered a couple days ago. There are rumors that the Flyers' owner is unhappy, and wants this over, which may mean something towards real progress. The players aren't likely to break this time.
   120. Langer Monk Posted: November 19, 2012 at 06:51 PM (#4306284)
BTW, if I have to thank the Flyers owner for ending this, I'm not sure how to handle that.
   121. Papa Squid Posted: November 19, 2012 at 06:53 PM (#4306285)
The Iron Sheik just tweeted: "GARY BETTMAN DUMB #####\". Make of that what you will.
   122. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: November 19, 2012 at 07:39 PM (#4306308)
I'm off the Cowboys' bandwagon.


We can only assume the Cowboys' resurgence is nigh.
   123. DA Baracus Posted: November 19, 2012 at 07:44 PM (#4306309)
I'm off the Cowboys' bandwagon.


LOL at ever being on it. Their consistency in never living up to the hype is to be applauded.
   124. Ray (RDP) Posted: November 19, 2012 at 07:52 PM (#4306310)
They do have talent on offense, no? I can't figure out what their problem is.
   125. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: November 19, 2012 at 08:03 PM (#4306316)
They do have talent on offense, no?


Do they? They have theoretical talent, but I'm not sure they have actual talent. Romo's a decent QB. I can't remember who they have running for them from week to week. Dez Bryant is the new Randy Moss, but before Chris Carter smacked him around and taught him how to actually play the position in the NFL. Which is to say, what? Andre Rison?
   126. DA Baracus Posted: November 19, 2012 at 08:03 PM (#4306317)
They do have talent on offense, no? I can't figure out what their problem is.


Some. Witten is excellent, Romo is good and Bryant is talented but a head case, after that... Austin isn't the player he was and they have nothing else to throw to, the running backs aren't anything special. Their offensive line is and has been awful, on top of that Wade Phillips and now Jason Garret aren't good head coaches, until this year their secondary was horrible and outside of DeMarcus Ware they have no pass rus. But they're the Dallas Cowboys, so they get a bump by the media.

Since 2010 they are 19-23, similar to the Bengals (18-24), Seahawks and Buccaneers (20-22) and nobody has thought they're Super Bowl material.
   127. Ray (RDP) Posted: November 19, 2012 at 08:06 PM (#4306320)
Some. Witten is excellent, Romo is good and Bryant is talented but a head case, after that... Austin isn't the player he was and they have nothing else to throw to


Ogletree?
   128. DA Baracus Posted: November 19, 2012 at 08:22 PM (#4306329)
Ogletree?


Uh, no. After 8 catches for 114 yards and 2 TD in Week 1, he has 17 catches for 240 yards and 1 TD since then. He has 3 games with 0 catches and two with 1 catch. He is a special teamer who had a really nice game once.
   129. Ray (RDP) Posted: November 19, 2012 at 08:50 PM (#4306335)
Ok, I'll defer to your wisdom on Ogletree.

So how good do people think the Patsies are? I know that the uneven scheduling makes point differential problematic generally, but they do lead the NFL in point differential and points scored, and their points allowed seem to be decent.

They've lost 3 games by a combined total of 4 points and they have Brady.

Thoughts?
   130. Ray (RDP) Posted: November 19, 2012 at 08:52 PM (#4306338)
Also: I love Eli as a player because he is not afraid to throw deep, but what do people make of the fact that his QB rating - yes, I know QB rating is generally suspect - is just 22nd in the league?
   131. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: November 19, 2012 at 08:56 PM (#4306340)
I think Eli and Matt Ryan are essentially the same player.
   132. DA Baracus Posted: November 19, 2012 at 09:02 PM (#4306341)
So how good do people think the Patsies are?


So long as Gronkowski is back for the playoffs they will be Super Bowl contenders. I think the Broncos are better but that's why they play the games.

Also: I love Eli as a player because he is not afraid to throw deep, but what do people make of the fact that his QB rating - yes, I know QB rating is generally suspect - is just 22nd in the league?


I think passer rating only tells you so much, after all Alex Smith is 3rd, but it's another data point that Eli is ridiculously overrated.
   133. BDC Posted: November 19, 2012 at 09:22 PM (#4306354)
Their consistency in never living up to the hype is to be applauded

I think it's just me, but the Cowboys' season so far has seemed completely random, and my consequent impression is that the NFL is random this year. Perhaps it's just the vagaries of following a mediocre team, but it seems the Cowboys play good teams and bad ones, and most of the time the result is close and might as well be a coin toss. Who's really, really good this year? Houston, possibly. Who's really, really bad, aside from Kansas City, obviously. I have a feeling that the Patriots will play in the Super Bowl against the Giants because class and coaching will tell, but it could be Atlanta/Houston or some arbitrary matchup just because, what the hey.
   134. steagles Posted: November 19, 2012 at 09:36 PM (#4306365)
I think it's just me, but the Cowboys' season so far has seemed completely random, and my consequent impression is that the NFL is random this year. Perhaps it's just the vagaries of following a mediocre team, but it seems the Cowboys play good teams and bad ones, and most of the time the result is close and might as well be a coin toss. Who's really, really good this year? Houston, possibly. Who's really, really bad, aside from Kansas City, obviously. I have a feeling that the Patriots will play in the Super Bowl against the Giants because class and coaching will tell, but it could be Atlanta/Houston or some arbitrary matchup just because, what the hey.
i'd put my money on broncos v. giants, manning v. manning.
   135. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: November 19, 2012 at 09:47 PM (#4306374)
There's been some evidence that the differential between QB rating and QB rating allowed as being a very good predictor for Super Bowl champions. The Patriots have been very mediocre at stopping the pass. On that alone, I don't love the Patriots chances.

That said, the Patriots are the Patriots so I think have a very good chance to win the Super Bowl. They have earned the benefit of the doubt.
   136. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: November 19, 2012 at 10:01 PM (#4306389)
Kaepernick looking mighty, mighty impressive.

Smith has played well but Kaepernick has the much higher upside.
   137. DA Baracus Posted: November 19, 2012 at 10:06 PM (#4306394)
I think it's just me, but the Cowboys' season so far has seemed completely random, and my consequent impression is that the NFL is random this year.


The two are mutually exclusive. It has been a weird year, but the Cowboys just aren't good, and haven't been for years.

There's been some evidence that the differential between QB rating and QB rating allowed as being a very good predictor for Super Bowl champions.


Passer rating should be renamed "team passing efficiency." It's a better reflection of a team than it is the player. In today's NFL, passer rating vs passer rating allowed is as good a simple statistical indicator as any.
   138. Tripon Posted: November 19, 2012 at 10:12 PM (#4306397)
Kaepernick looking mighty, mighty impressive.

Smith has played well but Kaepernick has the much higher upside.


This is funny since Smith is a former overall number one pick, and Kaepernick is well, not.
   139. President of the David Eckstein Fan Club Posted: November 19, 2012 at 10:15 PM (#4306399)
The 49ers have looked good overall but my favorite thing they've done so far was Gore blowing up the blitzer on their touchdown. Briggs, I think it was.
   140. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: November 19, 2012 at 10:17 PM (#4306400)
This is funny since Smith is a former overall number one pick, and Kaepernick is well, not.

Kaepernick is a freak athlete. He put a 4.53 forty time and has a rocket arm. He put huge numbers in college. Now, that doesn't mean anything if you can't read defenses. I have been impressed in what little he has played and I have faith that Harbaugh et al. must have saw something in him that makes them think he can read defenses. They used a second round pick on him.
   141. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: November 19, 2012 at 10:28 PM (#4306410)
I'm starting to think the Niners might win this game.
   142. Adam M Posted: November 19, 2012 at 10:31 PM (#4306412)
I'm starting to think the Niners might win this game.


I'm starting to think Alex Smith might get the rest of the season off.
   143. DA Baracus Posted: November 19, 2012 at 10:37 PM (#4306415)
Kaepernick is clearly having a very nice game against an excellent defense but we've seen the "backup gets a start against a top defense and plays well" before and end badly many times. Let's see how he does once he's got a few games on tape.
   144. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: November 19, 2012 at 10:37 PM (#4306416)
I'm starting to think Alex "Wally Pip" Smith might get the rest of the season off.
   145. Adam M Posted: November 19, 2012 at 10:41 PM (#4306419)
Kaepernick is clearly having a very nice game against an excellent defense but we've seen the "backup gets a start against a top defense and plays well" before and end badly many times. Let's see how he does once he's got a few games on tape.


True, but if Kaepernick keeps this up the whole game, I suspect Alex Smith's recovery will take at least one more week.
   146. DA Baracus Posted: November 19, 2012 at 10:48 PM (#4306425)
True, but if Kaepernick keeps this up the whole game, I suspect Alex Smith's recovery will take at least one more week.


If he keeps it up he's earned another start, absolutely.

Also, Alex Smith is having a pretty nice year himself.
   147. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: November 19, 2012 at 10:53 PM (#4306428)
Also, Alex Smith is having a pretty nice year himself.

Absolutely. QB rating isn't the perfect statistic but he's over 100. He's been very good. That said, there's a lot of talent on the offensive side of the football and they are built for a more vertical passing game than they use when he is in the game.
   148. DA Baracus Posted: November 19, 2012 at 11:03 PM (#4306449)
Absolutely. QB rating isn't the perfect statistic but he's over 100. He's been very good. That said, there's a lot of talent on the offensive side of the football and they are built for a more vertical passing game than they use when he is in the game.


Leads the league in completion percentage and AY/A, so it's not just dink and dunk stuff. It helps to have better talent too in Manningham and Moss. Last year their third leading receiver had 20 catches. Manningham already has 29.
   149. steagles Posted: November 19, 2012 at 11:06 PM (#4306452)
BTW, if I have to thank the Flyers owner for ending this, I'm not sure how to handle that.
it'll be just like the summit series vs. the soviets in '78. you'll hate yourself after, but as it's happening, you'll be cheering right alongside the rest of us as bobby clarke breaks gary bettman's ankle with one swing of his stick.
   150. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: November 19, 2012 at 11:11 PM (#4306461)
Leads the league in completion percentage and AY/A, so it's not just dink and dunk stuff. It helps to have better talent too in Manningham and Moss. Last year their third leading receiver had 20 catches. Manningham already has 29.

I do actually feel for Smith. He's had absolutely zero stability as a 49ers. He never even had the same coordinator for 2 straight seasons. Last year, he was quarterback for a team that won 13 games and they tried to replace him in the offseason. This year, he has by far the most talented group of receivers he has ever had and now he might have a QB controversy.
   151. Ray (RDP) Posted: November 20, 2012 at 01:48 AM (#4306555)
I'm starting to think the Niners might win this game.


Lol.
   152. McCoy Posted: November 20, 2012 at 09:49 AM (#4306604)
Like I said, the Bears aren't going to win a lot of games from here on out.
   153. BDC Posted: November 20, 2012 at 10:36 AM (#4306628)
the Cowboys just aren't good

No argument there. But they've played the Giants even and Baltimore and Atlanta very close, and beat Tampa Bay. That's the weird factor, I guess, that they've had some "any given Sundays" against decent opposition, and then turn around and lose miserably or can barely beat Cleveland.

Thanksgiving should be a fun game, with RG3 returning to Texas for the first time as a pro.
   154. Don Geovany Soto (chris h.) Posted: November 20, 2012 at 12:55 PM (#4306763)
OK, last night's game nearly sent my blood pressure into the stratosphere.

First, the offensive line. I have never seen an OL play so badly in all my years of watching professional football. I understand that San Francisco has a terrific defense; I expected the OL to struggle. But they didn't struggle; they were imitating tissue paper.

J'Marcus Webb was consistently beaten. Gabe Carimi didn't look at all like an NFL lineman. He didn't just get beat; in many cases he barely seemed to even make CONTACT with whomever he was trying to stop. And Chilo Rachal should just be cut right now. Not only is he utterly ineffective; he makes frequent dumb mistakes and doesn't seem to understand that. At least one of the times he got penalized for holding, he had an incredulous look on his face, shook his head and mouthed something like, "that's bullshit." But the replay showed a clear hold. Does he not know what holding is? And on the fumble in the end zone, he looked like he had no idea what to do.

Second, the defense. It seemed like we couldn't get any pressure on the quarterback, couldn't cover the receivers, and couldn't stop the run. I don't really fault them for the eventual high score, as they were probably exhausted later in the game, but jeez, a backup quarterback (even a talented one) shouldn't be able to come in and just march down the field over and over.

Hang on, I think Kaepernick just threw for another first down.

Unfortunately, we don't have the luxury of having the defense have a bad game or two. Our offense is poor and it won't be getting better.

Also, can we end the Devin Hester receiver experiment? As near as I can determine, he can't catch a pass without falling down. His value as a receiver is not in the catching -- he has, at best, average hands, and he's too small to go up and grab passes. The theory was that his breakaway speed would be good for yards after the catch and/or deep routes, but there's been zero sign at either. Seems to me it might be worth letting him go back to being a full-time return guy to see if he can get that magic back; at least then he'd provide some real value.

Finally, did it feel to anyone else like the Bears got out-schemed by Harbaugh? I'm not an expert on schemes, and I'm not a Lovie-basher, but if Gruden was correct on even 10% of the things he said, the 49ers' offense seemed to be switching up to continually exploit gaps or flaws in the Bears' defense. (NOTE: I am certainly willing to concede that Gruden wasn't right on anything, but if someone can explain to me how the 49ers manhandled the Bears defense, I'm all ears.)
   155. Don Geovany Soto (chris h.) Posted: November 20, 2012 at 01:07 PM (#4306774)
Like I said, the Bears aren't going to win a lot of games from here on out.

I don't think I've ever been more in agreement with McCoy than I am right now.

Even if the Bears manage to tread water and make it into the playoffs, they haven't got a prayer of going deep. Last night's game will provide numerous examples on what any team has to do to completely nullify the offense.

Such is Jerry Angelo's legacy. Just prior to the Bears' Super Bowl appearance, John Clayton (yes, yes, I know, insert analogy about stopped clocks or blind pigs or whatever) pointed out that the Bears OL was getting old and needed attention in pretty short order. Angelo went on to more or less ignore this, patching in crappy players as needed. Occasionally a higher draft pick would be spent, but none worked out.

Because of the salary cap, etc., it will take years to fix this. By the time it's fixed (assuming it ever is), the stars of our aging defense could well be retired.

Bah.
   156. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: November 20, 2012 at 01:21 PM (#4306793)
First, the offensive line. I have never seen an OL play so badly in all my years of watching professional football. I understand that San Francisco has a terrific defense; I expected the OL to struggle. But they didn't struggle; they were imitating tissue paper.

You need to watch a quarter of the 2012 Eagles. Tissue paper, you say? Luxury!!!
   157. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: November 20, 2012 at 01:54 PM (#4306821)
You need to watch a quarter of the 2012 Eagles. Tissue paper, you say? Luxury!!!


There were two games last year where the Bears and the Eagles just ran through Sam Baker two games in a row and killed Matt Ryan.
   158. Kurt Posted: November 20, 2012 at 02:05 PM (#4306834)
Last night's game will provide numerous examples on what any team has to do to completely nullify the offense.

Sure, be stacked from top to bottom with great defensive players.

We'll see how many teams are able to make that plan work.

   159. Don Geovany Soto (chris h.) Posted: November 20, 2012 at 02:26 PM (#4306845)
Sure, be stacked from top to bottom with great defensive players.

We'll see how many teams are able to make that plan work.

Fair enough, but even a mediocre defense can manhandle that line and disrupt the Bears' offense. If the defense doesn't get lucky with turnovers, the Bears just can't score many points.
   160. McCoy Posted: November 20, 2012 at 03:33 PM (#4306898)
I have yet to see a good offensive line for the Bears in the 21st century. They haven't had one in decades.
   161. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: November 20, 2012 at 04:19 PM (#4306941)
A good offensive line is the #1 priority in the modern NFL (college too, really). It's that simple. The Patriots have been great the last 10+ years because they have a solid offensive line that can protect the QB. Having a top QB is also important, but I'd rather have a mediocre QB behind a great OL than a great QB behind a mediocre OL.
   162. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: November 20, 2012 at 05:33 PM (#4307027)
i have to confess that while i did not expect carimi to be joe thomas i did not expect this..........ugliness

he didn't struggle like this before getting hurt. is it the injury? his lateral movement looks to be nonexistent. guys were just faking him out at the line last night. and this is not the first time where someone feints one way, goes another and gabe is waving at air.
   163. Don Geovany Soto (chris h.) Posted: November 20, 2012 at 06:07 PM (#4307067)
Could be, Harvey. Either way, he just looked awful.

I must confess, I wondered why the Bears refused to use him at LT, but I doubt he could even play at J'Marcus Webb's level now.
   164. Ray (RDP) Posted: November 20, 2012 at 07:03 PM (#4307112)
Not sure how this class action suit by the retired players has a leg to stand on - but, then, the tobacco litigation shouldn't have succeeded either. It seems one major hurdle is assumption of the risk: the players knew that playing football was dangerous, and they accepted the risks anyway - and got paid for it. (And the players are not part of the labor union or CBA now.)

Demonstrating that the NFL had some special knowledge about a link between on-field head injuries and health later in life - beyond the obvious that, yes, getting hit in the head a lot isn't a good thing - seems difficult. And even if the NFL had such special knowledge, the players were taking hits since pee wee and high school and in many cases through college.

   165. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: November 20, 2012 at 08:43 PM (#4307171)
sdeb

the packers line is average at best and rodgers is still able to make plays. not saying it won't come back to haunt them against the good defenses but so far the guy has been able to get by.

i am a big fan of line play but across the league offensive lines just stink. it's not fun to watch
   166. zenbitz Posted: November 20, 2012 at 09:35 PM (#4307194)
And on the fumble in the end zone, he looked like he had no idea what to do


That's not really fair. He knows if he falls on it, its a safety; if he doesn't its 6. You can almost see the smoke coming out of his ears. His actual decision: deal with the ball and try to somehow get it out of the endzone is pretty good! In fact it almost worked!

As for the Bears defense. Its clear that they for a quarter and a half they sold out to stop the run and made the backup QB beat them. In fact its what lots of teams do to defense the Niners with Smith at QB. Kaepernick burned them, the LBs and safeties backed off to defend the pass and Gore and Hunter destroyed them.

   167. zenbitz Posted: November 20, 2012 at 10:45 PM (#4307223)
   168. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: November 20, 2012 at 11:39 PM (#4307247)
I see Lovie Smith as Miracle Max: "Kaeperniiiick...Kaepernick, Kaepernick, Kapernick!"
   169. DA Baracus Posted: November 20, 2012 at 11:40 PM (#4307249)
If Bill Barnwell says someone's to blame they probably aren't. The entire Bears team played like crap. There's no one unit to single out.
   170. McCoy Posted: November 21, 2012 at 01:37 AM (#4307284)
As for the Bears defense. Its clear that they for a quarter and a half they sold out to stop the run and made the backup QB beat them. In fact its what lots of teams do to defense the Niners with Smith at QB. Kaepernick burned them, the LBs and safeties backed off to defend the pass and Gore and Hunter destroyed them.

The Bears under Smith have almost always keyed on stopping the running game while preventing the big play and looking to be opportunistic. The problem is that if they don't force a turnover and the offense can either manage to still run anyway or the offense is able to string together a bunch of passes then the Bears' defense and the entire team in general is going to be in trouble. Smith's teams are almost always beat by teams that can implement their passing attack.

The Bears offense is a horrendous unit that has been masked so far this year by playing bad teams and having the defense take the ball away from opposing offenses a lot. I talked about it last month or so but I'll say it again. Once the Bears play better teams and the turnover dry up and Cutler gets hurt they are going to lose a lot of games. At this point I don't even know if they'll get to 10-6.
   171. steagles Posted: November 21, 2012 at 06:43 PM (#4307747)
reports have come out about ed snider and brian burke and various other hockey-lifers who have stepped up recently and gotten involved in the negotiations. if they can't move this along in the next few days, i don't think there's much hope for a deal anytime soon.
big meetings today resulted in...absolutely nothing.


   172. Dag Nabbit is part of the zombie horde Posted: November 21, 2012 at 06:49 PM (#4307750)
Bears offensive lineman leaves the team. Chilo Rahcal became upset after finding out he wouldn't start next week. He's been put on the reserved/left squad list.
   173. McCoy Posted: November 21, 2012 at 11:59 PM (#4307894)
Geez, how unstable do you have to be to walk out on an NFL job?
   174. Kurt Posted: November 22, 2012 at 12:15 AM (#4307910)
I've always thought you had to be a little unstable to walk *into* an NFL job.
   175. Tripon Posted: November 22, 2012 at 12:19 AM (#4307913)
I think its safe to say that Chilo Rachal will be the next case study on how to become broke after spending time in the NFL.
   176. The Yankee Clapper Posted: November 22, 2012 at 02:07 AM (#4307939)
Hockey news of the day: Leafs Fan Buys Toilet For $5,300.
   177. Random Transaction Generator Posted: November 22, 2012 at 12:19 PM (#4308021)
it'll be just like the summit series vs. the soviets in '78.


As a Canadian, I have to point out that the summit series was in '72.

Hockey news of the day: Leafs Fan Buys Toilet For $5,300.


As a Leafs fan, I have to point out that a toilet is a VERY apt souvenir for the last 40 years of Leafs history.

*sigh*
   178. JJ1986 Posted: November 22, 2012 at 03:51 PM (#4308104)
Can anyone explain why that TD is not reviewable?
   179. Kurt Posted: November 22, 2012 at 03:52 PM (#4308106)
I think it's because Schwartz threw the challenge flag. The penalty for throwing the flag on the play like that is 15 yards *and* they don't review it upstairs. That's why he was doing the "my fault" thing on the sideline.
   180. JJ1986 Posted: November 22, 2012 at 03:53 PM (#4308107)
Okay, the rule is that an automatically reviewed play is not reviewed once a flag is thrown? Insane.

The purpose of an automatic review is to get things right.
   181. Kurt Posted: November 22, 2012 at 03:57 PM (#4308111)
I don't understand it either. It takes five seconds to say "Jim, pick that thing up."
   182. DA Baracus Posted: November 22, 2012 at 04:00 PM (#4308113)
Mike Smith had that happen to him on Sunday. Dumbest rule imaginable. Let the challenge happen and have the coach waste a timeout or use of a challenge as his punishment instead. Then only he looks dumb.
   183. Every Inge Counts Posted: November 22, 2012 at 05:13 PM (#4308139)
I hate being a Lions' fan...
   184. Papa Squid Posted: November 22, 2012 at 05:17 PM (#4308140)
Boswell thinks the NHL is following baseball's 1994 gameplan...

I can understand baseball's desire in 1994 to get a salary cap, and the NHL's desire in 2004, and why that would be potentially worth wiping out a season... but this, this is chump change. This is stupid.
   185. Every Inge Counts Posted: November 22, 2012 at 05:53 PM (#4308145)
Detroit Lions: good team who find a way to lose week in and week out...
   186. Tripon Posted: November 22, 2012 at 06:51 PM (#4308157)
RGIII just keeps on unleashing the dragon.
   187. Tripon Posted: November 22, 2012 at 07:12 PM (#4308161)
Where the heck was this Redskin team most of the year?
   188. steagles Posted: November 22, 2012 at 07:21 PM (#4308162)
I'd just like to mention that the eagles have lost to the lions AND the redskins AND the cowboys this year.
   189. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: November 22, 2012 at 09:43 PM (#4308178)
What a stupid ####### rule that is. Having a coach challenge negate an automatic review is so insanely stupid that I don't even know if I can accurately describe its stupidity.
   190. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: November 22, 2012 at 10:57 PM (#4308180)
all scoring and turnovers are reviewable! Unless the HC decides to throw their challenge flag, we simply can't have that. The hubris of a HC to throw that flag, don't you know we've got this one covered. Really, let us do our job.

Sadly, no shortage of meatheads defending this as 'rules are rules.' The penalty should be Suh kicking him in the balls.
   191. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: November 22, 2012 at 11:06 PM (#4308181)
Keep the 15-yard penalty if you want. Negating the review is just the dumbest ####.
   192. AJMcCringleberry Posted: November 22, 2012 at 11:14 PM (#4308182)
My prediction of 42 to -12 Pats is looking good.
   193. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: November 22, 2012 at 11:19 PM (#4308183)
My prediction of 42 to -12 Pats is looking good.

You really think the Patriots are going to stop at 42?
   194. Tripon Posted: November 22, 2012 at 11:20 PM (#4308184)
More like you think the Jets are going to score 12 in this game.
   195. Monty Predicts a Padres-Mariners WS in 2016 Posted: November 22, 2012 at 11:41 PM (#4308185)
More like you think the Jets are going to score 12 in this game.


That's not 12. It's -12.
   196. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: November 23, 2012 at 12:02 AM (#4308191)
you should have picked 42 to +12
   197. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: November 23, 2012 at 12:39 AM (#4308194)
Where the heck was this Redskin team most of the year?

Playing better teams.

But since there aren't any real standouts left in the NFC, and none in the NFC East, it wouldn't shock me in the least if the Redskins actually made it to the playoffs. The Eagles and the Cowboys are obviously stiffs, and even though the Giants were playing much better (and playing at home) the last time they played the Skins, they barely escaped on the strength of a Manning miracle. Griffin is surreal, Moss seems to have gotten a second life, and unless the Giants can beat the Packers there's a good chance that after next weekend's games the Skins will be tied for first in the NFCE.

And in fact, the only strong Redskins opponent left is the Ravens, whose defense on the road has been erratic as hell. I hate to say it because I hate Snyder, but this team may just be coming into its own.
   198. Kurt Posted: November 23, 2012 at 12:46 AM (#4308195)
Sadly, no shortage of meatheads defending this as 'rules are rules.'

I'm afraid to ask where these meatheads are. Between here, FO and the NBC postgame show it's about 54-0 in favor of "stupid rule".
   199. Ray (RDP) Posted: November 23, 2012 at 12:48 AM (#4308196)
all scoring and turnovers are reviewable! Unless the HC decides to throw their challenge flag, we simply can't have that. The hubris of a HC to throw that flag, don't you know we've got this one covered. Really, let us do our job.


That was horrible because (a) not only should the Oilers not have had a touchdown, but (b) the runningback essentially cheated by continuing to run after he was tackled, and then (c) the refs screwed up by not blowing the whistle, and (d) the league screwed up by not having the play reviewable - despite all touchdowns being reviewable - because... the coach made a harmless mistake by throwing the challenge flag? The 15 yard penalty was just pouring it on.

Sadly, no shortage of meatheads defending this as 'rules are rules.' The penalty should be Suh kicking him in the balls.


What _is_ the non-frivolous defense of the rules? Because it is worse than just blowing a call. "We think this kind of play is so important that we would review it on our own, but, hey, you threw your flag, so, no."
   200. Ray (RDP) Posted: November 23, 2012 at 12:49 AM (#4308197)
Are there people out there who still think the Jets don't suck? The problem is not Sanchez, and it's not (Chris Collinsworth) the players around Sanchez. It's the head coach, who directs his offensive coordinators not to have a vertical game.

The Jets simply do not throw the ball down the field. You watch them for a couple of quarters, and watch what the other team is doing, and this smacks you in the face.
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