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Why should the Bears be expected to be one of the more successful teams?
I don't see why not. Doesn't have to be a complete tear down.
Why should the Bears be expected to be one of the more successful teams?
History and market. Those obviously mean less in the NFL than other leagues, but still can mean something.
one guy who might help is greg jennings. jennings is almost certainly gone from green bay and the guy is great from the slot.
it would pain me but it might make sense for chicago
I don't know what it would be.
This is the third or fourth time I've seen this fact stated, in one way or another, and every time, people forget about Marvin Lewis.
i think mike brown has forgotten about marvin lewis
This gives me the impression that they were down to 3 linemen (+ a replacement level guy they had just added). I know I'd heard that they were playing a tight end in that capacity at one point, out of desperation...
I could be mistaken, mind you ... again, I'm not a football guy.
i know that the chargers line has been hard hit due to injury, poor drafting and guys leaving. but good quarterbacks still find a way to make plays.
that has been my observation
quick reference is the indy line which is pretty poor and lets luck get creamed about 10 times a game
And, of course, the Patriots won 11 damn games that year but missed the playoffs.
(/2cents)
My understanding is that Smith had said he wouldn't fire Turner and that they were essentially a package deal at this point.
1012 - oh sure, kurt
You. Broncos OC Mike McCoy, Buccaneers OC Mike Sullivan, Clements, Cowboys ST coach Joe DeCamillis and Falcons ST coach Keith Armstrong have interviews scheduled, from what I've seen. I've seen other names rumored, but nothing listed as interviewees yet.
I follow Brad Biggs for these updates, as his facts are usually right. He must be Bears ST coach Dave Toub's agent or something considering how much he's pushing for him to get interviewed (he asked Emery yesterday about him):
- Mike McCoy (Denver OC)
- Keith Armstrong (Atlanta ST)
- Joe DeCamillis (Dallas ST)
- Mike Sullivan (Tampa Bay OC)
- Tom Clements (Green Bay OC)
I definitely like the fact that no defensive coordinators are in there.
And of course, candidates that are not currently affiliated with an NFL franchise do not need requests, so there might be more.
that was a long response.
i didn't see anything in there about coaching
did i miss that?
Nope, but I think the focus of the discussion was on personnel. And realistically, coaching won't fix that OL, will it?
i am a big believer in coaching. i don't think it's coincidence that the packers draft a bunch of guys or pick up guys as undrafted free agents and get them to play. not making green bay out to be amazing just that don barclay was a nobody off the street and now he's a starting right tackle in the nfl and he's a 100 times better than gabe carimi. a gabe carimi who doesn't look at all like the guy who played at wisconsin i might add.
green bay's starting center is also an undrafted free agent. they sat pro bowler (feel free to chuckle) jeff saturday to get this guy in the lineup because he's better at run blocking. played his first game at center in the crazy dome and didn't have a blown assignment or bad snap on all silent counts
i think if you look across the league you will find similar things among good teams. offensive linemen are found under rocks and then coached up versus arriving as nearly finished products.
fundamentally i think the bears stink at coaching line play
Because then they might have to replace the best ST coach in the league? I dunno. I guess he could pull double duty. How many ST coaches went on to become HC without another coordinator stop on the way? Seems like a big jump. FWIW (and because I've seen it mentioned elsewhere), Armstrong helps the Bears adhere to the Rooney rule (but that doesn't explain them also interviewing DeCamillis).
I have to say though, were they to hire Toub as HC, my initial reaction would be disappointment (I'm not saying that's fair to him, but an internal promotion doesn't seem like an upgrade was even attempted).
Frank Gansz of the Chiefs is the only one I'm aware of. Which points up the entire issue: If you're going to elevate a ST coach to head coach, he had better be a truly outstanding special teams coach. And the only truly outstanding special teams coach in the league right now is Dave Toub, who has the benefit of already being on the team and having the respect of the players.
I wouldn't be thrilled about elevating Toub either, but it makes tons more sense than elevating someone else's special teams coach. Besides, if they did that, Toub would almost certainly leave, wouldn't he?
though i get taht pro sports operates a bit differently
Yes. Even interviewing other ST coaches and not him might get him to leave (he is still under contract for next year though - all the ass't coaches technically are).
It's still weird that Biggs is stumping for him so much (those tweets are only the ones since Lovie's firing, he's brought it up multiple times throughout the year).
HW, agreed.
I would guess most of the money they spend will go into the OL and overall depth (maybe a new MLB).
jennings was leading the nfl over a healthy several year period on catches over 40 yards before he missed most of 2012. jennings gets in and out of breaks faster than anyone which is how he gets real separation.
i think speed is overrated so i am not the guy to ask about that aspect of a player.
John Harbaugh
Unfortunately for Toub, he only has 2 years as a non-ST position coach (DL) in college. So while not that far off, he does have a more limited experience level (at least in title).
i do not think that is a good idea. i could be wrong and it may be that getting out of philly will completely and immediately recharge andy reid's battery, but there was just so much that went wrong here in philly that it really seems farfetched to believe that he'll be able to just walk into arizona and fix their issues.
and again, i hold no ill will towards the man personally, but i would really be happy if he went the way of george seifert.
BBTF is mangling the link, so:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Allen_(American_football_coach)#Death
Carimi had a pretty severe knee injury last year and basically missed the entire season. I don't know enough about offensive line play to say how much his performance might be due to that one issue.
i have asked about that in other threads and nobody seems to know if it's a factor or not
If true, he'll be given a chance again next year. Unsure what position that will be at (he played some RG after being benched at RT). But you know knee problems for 300lb men seem to linger. That "first time" will be ever with the Bears, as he hurt the knee in the first game of his career.
that would explain a lot since lateral movement is critical. bulaga of the packers was a turnstile some games playing on a bad leg
Him talking about STATS and the playoffs seemed a little weird. He probably should have been comparing the STATS stuff to the other team's offensives and not who did or did not make the playoffs.
Another Bears candidate.
Holy ####, dude. It's getting creepy. From the link:
Absolutely nothing new, yet he writes another story about it.
I like all 4 home teams this weekend, which worries me because I think 2-3 road teams usually cover on WC weekend. I'll probably only bet Houston because I see them running all over the Bengals.
Interesting. I was leaning towards Cinci.
Considering the alternatives, yes. I'd take him over a lot of the other names out there. And while he didn't become great at it, Eagles clock management did improve once McNabb was gone, so it turns it wasn't entirely on Reid.
7th candidate. 5 OC and 2 ST.
Because Andy Reid is going to stick with Brady Quinn...
Cassel and Quinn are both about to gone. I have no idea who is going to be the QB in 2013, but the Chiefs have the #1 pick, tons of cap space, a great RB, and if Bowe comes back a pretty good WR.
KC could turn around quickly. When you get rid of the worst QB and worst HC in the league, you are bound to improve the team.
Michael Vick is available.
WOW, Someone with a TO rate that might be higher than the Chief's 2012 QB tandem.
By all indications, Matt Barkley, personality and intangibles wise is a great kid. Not a great arm though and not worth the number 1 pick, but I feel in a weak QB class, and despite his injuries, Barkley is still going top 5. He's basically the rich man version of Marc Sanchez, but at least you know he can start for you, and won't do the ######## that basically made Sanchez into a joke, on and off the field. Barkley's potential is that he can be what Alex Smith currently is, a 12-20 range QB.
It's a weak class for NFL draft QBs unless Aaron Murray decides to turn pro early.
*WTF? It's the 2nd hit on google, so why not I guess.
the chiefs strength is their running game, and that's almost irrelevant for an andy reid coached team. on the other hand, their weaknesses are on defense, where reid is not likely to give a damn, with turnovers, where the eagles were every bit as bad as the chiefs, and at quarterback, where reid might help, but his recent track record there is not exactly glowing (kolb, kafka, feeley have not exactly done a whole hell of a lot, despite getting the reid seal of approval).
arizona would have been an almost ideal situation for him. they have a very, very good defense, and a world class wide receiver, and even with as low an opinion as i have of reid, he could have basically put them on auto-pilot and still had a 50/50 chance of making the playoffs.
but the chiefs are just such a terrible team that i cannot imagine that reid will be able to turn them around.
The Chiefs haven't won a playoff game in 20 years, haven't drafted a QB in the 1st round in 30 years, and have never "earned" the #1 pick in the common draft era before. Of course this would be the year when they get to choose between Barkley, Smith, Murray, & Wilson. ####.
@1062, I was thinking in particular of a tweet from Tony Dungy suggesting Murray would be a first round selection.
In case you missed it, Romeo Crennel coached the chiefs in 2012. There is no way that anyone can paint a picture that Reid is a worse coach than Romeo.
Don't forget Mike Glennon.
That's still a bad QB.
It'll still be a weak class.
There isn't a QB this year I would take in the first round.
The Eagles were not a title contender at the beginning of the year. The people who thought that were naive.
Nah, the problem with Sanchez isn't his tools. I mean, sure he doesn't have great tools, but its good enough to be a starter in the league. Its the fact that he's a lazy ####### that's going to kick him out of the league. Barkley is going to work his ass off and going to want to get better.
Lots of guys work their ass off but stink. None of these QBs are worth a first rounder, let alone a top 5. It's a bad year to need a QB. We got spoiled last year with a HOF on the FA market and two can't miss prospects in the draft.
Except QBs in the draft are always 'over draft'. Guys who are legitimately 2nd or 3rd round picks based on talent get into the first round because of hype and 'need'. Tim Tebow's a good example, hell Marc Sanchez would be one too. QBs at the top of the market are going to go fast, that's just how it is.
If you want to do things like, say, piss off your star middle linebacker, that's fine, but you should have a plan B. The Steelers constantly lost star players to free agency, but always had a replacement in the system. If you want to piss off the fan base by not bringing back the most beloved player in team history, that's also fine, but then they passed up on the obvious draft pick to replace him, and lord, it felt like they did it just for the sake of being contrary.
In 2009:
Sometimes teams want to develop their own starters. Especially the Chiefs who haven't done it in two decades. This is a team that needs to develop its own QB.
i am fairly convinced that good coaching can turn a guy with a decent arm and an iq higher than a squash into a starting qb
if you're signing aaron brooks as an undrafted free agent, that's one thing. but if you're drafting him 12th overall, that's completely different.
i don't understand your post
sorry. i don't know if you are saying to not draft a qb in the first round or if you are saying somehting else
ty detmer
mark brunell
jay barker
kyle waccholtz
ron mcada
matt hasselbeck
aaron brooks
Reid's period of great success coincided with inheriting top notch defensive players and picking a top notch defensive coach. Once those players (Dawkins, Trotter, Vincent, Taylor, Douglas) phased out(and the Eagles got rid of Trotter and Dawkins too early), it's been downhill since.
Reid always had a bit of mad scientist about him -- going from the "Who needs talent at WR in a West Coast offense" to "Linebackers? We don't need to have any good linebackers." to the crazed last three years of Michael Vick, the three headed alpha DB scenario of 2011, Juan Castillo, wide 9, resurrecting Howard Mudd (which kind of worked in 2011), drafting an overage fireman for the 1st pick.
If you hire Coach Reid and keep him out of personnel decisions (good luck with that, Reid has a huge ego), it still might work. I'm not convinced that he wasn't more lucky than good during the first half of his tenure with the Eagles.
They are going to TRY but I think he has essentially zero trade value. Basically he's signed for 2013 for $8M which is eminently reasonable for a cromulent NFL starter, but WAY too much for a backup in the cap era. And they have are on the hook for his cap hit by March 1st. I think that deadline even includes a $1M bonus.
So the Niners have no leverage. Maybe they get a 6th or 7th round pick.
Of course. I never said otherwise. I am saying I wouldn't draft any of these QBs in the 1st. Other teams can have at them.
Wolf's philosophy was draft a QB every year, you will eventually hit on one or two and get value out of them as a solid backup and/or trade bait. And he did.
correct.
So the Niners have no leverage. Maybe they get a 6th or 7th round pick.
But he would start for 5-10 teams. As mentioned above, if KC could get him for a 6th rounder they should jump on that yesterday.
Which is why it baffled me when people flipped out about Shanahan drafting Cousins in the 4th. Clearly was a good idea.
Especially when the example they cited was the Redskins taking Shuler and Frerotte in the same draft, when they were damn glad they took Frerotte, at least until he concussed himself on the wall.
Reid had 5 absolute pillars together for 10 years: Jim Johnson, Brian Dawkins, Donovan McNabb, Tra Thomas and Jon Runyan. He hired Johnson, who I don't believe was a hot commodity at the time. He drafted McNabb, and was on board when they signed Runyan. Those are to his credit. He inherited Dawkins and Thomas, as well as other notable defensive players, as Edmundo mentioned. His drafts have been a mixture of good and bad. His free agent acquisitions have mostly gone south in the past several years. He built a core of very good coaches at the start.
It's just incredible to have that sort of stability at so many key positions. Reid has been utterly unable to replace most of those key people.
Reid has managed to run mostly good offenses, and he manages quite often to get by for a few games at a time with QBs of questionable talent, and he manages to swap them into second-round picks. That's a good thing, and can help an organization as bad as the Chiefs.
Those people were dumb. You need a backup in today's dangerous NFL. And on the third day, take the best player on your board, regardless of position.
I also agree with 1084 and 1092.
that post is very funny
Sounds like Charles is the typical Reid back in terms of usage and expected fantasy points.
it's a joke big fella. enjoy the joke
That's about the 4,000th "Poor Jamaal" statement/joke I've seen in the last 24 hours, since the Reid-to-KC news started breaking.
Reid is better than the likes of Jeff Fisher, though.
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