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OT: NFL/NHL thread

i estimate that absolutely noone gives a damn about the NHL, so by folding that thread into this one, we won’t distract from what this thread is really about: boner pills, blood doping (is it low t?), and…jesus christ did mike vick just throw another ####### interception?

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   2501. Howie Menckel Posted: January 20, 2013 at 07:05 PM (#4351245)
2361. Howie Menckel Posted: January 20, 2013 at 06:00 PM (#4351093)

Never take a timeout there, up 3 with 27 minutes left. eat the 5 yards; that timeout could be HUGE later. too bad the coaches, players, and announcers are too dumb to know it.

...............

#justsayin
   2502. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: January 20, 2013 at 07:05 PM (#4351246)
Tough luck for the Falcons. Much like the Braves and the IF fly 'catch,' the no call on the interference? will be talked about for a while.

Honestly, I think only in the state of Georgia. Refs tend to let the players play in those situations.
   2503. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: January 20, 2013 at 07:05 PM (#4351247)
Josh McCowon, not Redman.
   2504. A Fatty Cow That Need Two Seats Posted: January 20, 2013 at 07:06 PM (#4351248)
doesn't get much better than steagles dropping flyers analysis in the middle of an nfl conference championship chatter
   2505. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: January 20, 2013 at 07:06 PM (#4351249)
I hope your city burns and falls into the sea.

Your tears are like a cola slurpee. Nyum nyum nyum!
   2506. AuntBea Posted: January 20, 2013 at 07:06 PM (#4351250)

Never take a timeout there, up 3 with 27 minutes left. eat the 5 yards; that timeout could be HUGE later. too bad the coaches, players, and announcers are too dumb to know it.


Someone said this about the Denver game and it was just as true then.
   2507. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: January 20, 2013 at 07:07 PM (#4351251)
Honestly, I think only in the state of Georgia. Refs tend to let the players play in those situations.


The calls were pro-SF the entire fourth quarter.
   2508. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: January 20, 2013 at 07:08 PM (#4351252)
Ooh, the Yippee ki-yay post game is coming up! Thanks for destroying my affection for the first Die Hard, Fox.

One promotion shouldn't destroy your affection for one of the greatest action movies of all time.
   2509. tshipman Posted: January 20, 2013 at 07:09 PM (#4351253)
Tough luck for the Falcons. Much like the Braves and the IF fly 'catch,' the no call on the interference? will be talked about for a while.


Hilarious. First of all, the defense is allowed to contact the receiver within 5 yards. Second of all, the fact that you have the chutzpah to complain about the refs after being gifted with a completely bogus catch on that same drive is impressive.

If the Niners would have lost, I would have been upset about the bad catch call, but I would have recognized that they lost because they failed to play decisively better than the Falcons.
   2510. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: January 20, 2013 at 07:09 PM (#4351254)
So, I think Kaepernick proved he's not just a fast runner today. Impressed by how composed he was today.
16/21 passing today. Between last week and this week, you have to start looking at Kaepernick as one of the five best players in the league going into next year, right? Incredible.
   2511. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: January 20, 2013 at 07:09 PM (#4351255)
The calls were pro-SF the entire fourth quarter.

You're going to give me diabetes with your sweet, sweet tears!
   2512. zenbitz Posted: January 20, 2013 at 07:10 PM (#4351256)

I take it back. The last 3 quarters of this game sucked for Atlanta fans. Sorry, Sam. I don't know how you guys racked up 297 yards in a half, but I equally don't understand how you were stopped.
   2513. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: January 20, 2013 at 07:10 PM (#4351257)
Jones blatantly pushed off on his TD catch in the first, so I don't think the Falcons have much call to complain about the refs.
   2514. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: January 20, 2013 at 07:11 PM (#4351258)
Eddie DeBartolo!
   2515. zenbitz Posted: January 20, 2013 at 07:12 PM (#4351259)
I hope your city burns


Sherman's Dead. And that was no WAY a late hit.
   2516. Mike A Posted: January 20, 2013 at 07:12 PM (#4351260)
Hilarious. First of all, the defense is allowed to contact the receiver within 5 yards. Second of all, the fact that you have the chutzpah to complain about the refs after being gifted with a completely bogus catch on that same drive is impressive.

I'm a Dolphin fan, just call them as I see them. I felt the receiver was being held while the ball was in the air, which is interference. It may not always be called in that situation, but it certainly *could* have been.

And as I said earlier - and the head ref agreed - his hand was under that ball which was why it was ruled a catch despite the ground moving the ball. Another one that could have gone either way. Win some, you lose some.
   2517. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: January 20, 2013 at 07:12 PM (#4351261)
Hilarious. First of all, the defense is allowed to contact the receiver within 5 yards.


Contact, hold, ride the reciever's back through the entire play. Apparently they're allowed to #### the receiver up the ass if they want to, so long as SF gets the ball after the play.
   2518. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: January 20, 2013 at 07:13 PM (#4351262)
I am both a 49ers and Patriots fan, this is the closest they have gotten to facing each other in the Super Bowl. Don't know what I'll do if that happens.
   2519. MHS Posted: January 20, 2013 at 07:13 PM (#4351263)
I think the roughing the passer on the Falcons was very borderline to say the least. The 9'ers got very lucky to not get a rougher the passer on the final the third down... obviously the contact on 4th down should have been called. Officiating on key plays was inconsistent to be generous.

   2520. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: January 20, 2013 at 07:13 PM (#4351264)
I'm a Dolphin fan, just call them as I see them. I felt the receiver was being held while the ball was in the air, which is interference. It may not always be called in that situation, but it certainly *could* have been.


It was 1000 times more PI than that bullshit "personal foul" they called to gift SF with a first down earlier.
   2521. Tripon Posted: January 20, 2013 at 07:13 PM (#4351265)

I'm a Dolphin fan, just call them as I see them. I felt the receiver was being held while the ball was in the air, which is interference. It may not always be called in that situation, but it certainly *could* have been.


If you're relying on the ref to make a 50/50 call, you already lost.
   2522. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: January 20, 2013 at 07:14 PM (#4351266)
Jones blatantly pushed off on his TD catch in the first, so I don't think the Falcons have much call to complain about the refs.


Pulling your arms away from the DB that's holding you is not pushing off.
   2523. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: January 20, 2013 at 07:15 PM (#4351267)
If you're relying on the ref to make a 50/50 call, you already lost.


It wasn't a 50/50 call. It was a 99/1 call. It was clearly and obviously pass interference.
   2524. tshipman Posted: January 20, 2013 at 07:15 PM (#4351268)
Contact, hold, ride the reciever's back through the entire play. Apparently they're allowed to #### the receiver up the ass if they want to, so long as SF gets the ball after the play.


It was 1000 times more PI than that ######## "personal foul" they called to gift SF with a first down earlier.


Delicious tears.
   2525. Howie Menckel Posted: January 20, 2013 at 07:15 PM (#4351269)
I don't think there's a point in ######## about either of those calls.
Mike Pereira is outstanding as an ex-NFL official on those, and he said he would not have overturned the call and in fact seemed to be leaning toward it being a catch.

And on 4th down, you cannot expect to get a flag on that last play.

Neither fan base wants to admit it, but both of their teams failed today in one key mission: outplay the other team enough so that one call can't kill you. If you don't like the outcome, then ask your team to play better next time. The 49ers didn't have to worry about a ref's flag last week against the Packers, did they?

P.S. That helmet hit by the Falcons get called every time in every NFL game. Maybe the rule sucks, but you can't complain about the call, which was correct. The 49ers WERE lucky that the Falcons made the mistake, but they still made it.


   2526. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: January 20, 2013 at 07:16 PM (#4351271)
It's hard for me to look at a team that blows a 17-point lead the week after blowing a 20-point lead and say they got screwed on their way to the Super Bowl. I don't want to see a team like that in the final game, nobody does.
   2527. zenbitz Posted: January 20, 2013 at 07:17 PM (#4351272)
Contact, hold, ride the reciever's back through the entire play. Apparently they're allowed to #### the receiver up the ass if they want to,


Do you even WATCH the playoffs?

They also didn't call about 25 offensive pushoffs. But I wouldn't complain because they never called those. I am sure there were also 20 uncalled holds on the OL. On EACH side.
   2528. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: January 20, 2013 at 07:17 PM (#4351273)
It's hard for me to look at a team that blows a 17-point lead the week after blowing a 20-point lead and say they got screwed on their way to the Super Bow. I don't want to see a team like that in the final game, nobody does.


Well, at least you admit your bias up front.
   2529. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: January 20, 2013 at 07:17 PM (#4351274)
Delicious tears.


Die in a fire.
   2530. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: January 20, 2013 at 07:18 PM (#4351275)
Well, at least you admit your bias up front.
I hate the 49ers. I'm a Cowboy fan. That's my bias. Atlanta could have shut me up but good, but they weren't up to it.
   2531. MHS Posted: January 20, 2013 at 07:18 PM (#4351276)
I don't want to see a team like that in the final game, nobody does.


Atlanta fans do. Baltimore fans do. New England Fans do.

And on 4th down, you cannot expect to get a flag on that last play.


You also shouldn't expect to be given a free first down after failing to convert on 3rd down. Sometimes you are though.

   2532. Mike A Posted: January 20, 2013 at 07:19 PM (#4351277)
Crazy that both UGA and the Falcons were just a few yards from a title shot.
   2533. tshipman Posted: January 20, 2013 at 07:20 PM (#4351279)
I don't think there's a point in ######## about either of those calls.


Of course not. If you lose in an NFL game, short something absolutely ridiculous like the tuck rule, or the Seahawks in that superbowl ages ago, you have no cause to blame the refs.

The Falcons lost because they couldn't stop the 49ers running game and they became one dimensional on offense. I'm just enjoying Sam's whinging because of the obviously poor call that went in the Falcons' favor that he chooses to ignore completely.
   2534. zenbitz Posted: January 20, 2013 at 07:20 PM (#4351280)


Neither fan base wants to admit it, but both of their teams failed today in one key mission:


I have been a 49er fan since 1979. They failed is a key aspect. Defense. They got extremely lucky that Smith got cold feet after Ryan's pick and ran the ball too much. They got a couple marginal calls. They got an extra turnover. The falcons got Akers lucky that the 2nd half was even close.
   2535. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: January 20, 2013 at 07:20 PM (#4351281)
You also shouldn't expect to be given a free first down after failing to convert on 3rd down.


Didn't you hear? Waving your hand in front of a story-line QB's face is a 15 yard penalty now.
   2536. Tom Nawrocki Posted: January 20, 2013 at 07:21 PM (#4351282)
You know how you can tell when someone is a terrible analyst? He thinks all the games are decided by things like intangibles and who's "the man" and who wants it more.

Yes, I am talking about Jim Rome.
   2537. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: January 20, 2013 at 07:21 PM (#4351283)
I'm just enjoying Sam's whinging because the obviously poor call that went in the Falcons' favor that he chooses to ignore completely.


The catch by Douglass? Ruled a catch on the field. Not enough evidence to overturn on replay. It was the one call that didn't have a SF bias in the second half. And they ignored PF's for roughing against SF on two or three plays against Ryan after the throw. But hey, pretend it's not true. Whatever.
   2538. MHS Posted: January 20, 2013 at 07:22 PM (#4351284)
Waving your hand in front of a story-line QB's face is a 15 yard penalty now.


The defenders hand did glance of the QB's face mask... not that is interfering or roughing in any way.

   2539. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: January 20, 2013 at 07:22 PM (#4351286)
   2540. cmd600 Posted: January 20, 2013 at 07:23 PM (#4351287)
Well, at least you admit your bias up front.


Of all the people to post something like this.
   2541. MHS Posted: January 20, 2013 at 07:24 PM (#4351290)
Of all the people to post something like this.


Its not like Sam's handle is bearded redneck.
   2542. Petunia inquires about ponies Posted: January 20, 2013 at 07:26 PM (#4351291)
the no call on the interference? will be talked about for a while.

Not nearly as much as the non-overturn on a clear no-catch by Douglas would have been had the Falcons pulled it out.


The calls were pro-SF the entire fourth quarter.

This has been covered, but aside from the ticky-tack roughing the passer call which is 100% demanded by the rulebook and current state of affairs in NFL officiating, there's little to complain about. Douglas didn't make the catch AND committed OPI getting free to begin with, and the Falcons' tackles were holding all day (zenbitz is overly charitable in 2527 to offset his Niners bias; granted the SF defensive front was sloppy and generated no pressure the majority of the game, but there were some absolutely egregious fourth quarter holds against Brooks). On the fourth down play, contact was within 5-6 yards (will never get called), White got free as the ball was thrown and couldn't make the catch on a ball well behind him.

That said, I understand the frustration obviously and don't mean to grind the axe. Obviously stuff like 2524 is out of line.
   2543. President of the David Eckstein Fan Club Posted: January 20, 2013 at 07:28 PM (#4351292)
Atlanta got run out of the building in the 2nd half and, really, were lucky to only lose by 4.
   2544. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: January 20, 2013 at 07:28 PM (#4351293)
For Sam.


I hope the things you love die slowly and painfully while you watch.
   2545. cmd600 Posted: January 20, 2013 at 07:29 PM (#4351295)
Its not like Sam's handle is bearded redneck.


Sure, I guess it could be worse.

I had no real rooting interest, just hoping for an entertaining game. I was satisfied, but Sam's tantrum has been even better.
   2546. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: January 20, 2013 at 07:29 PM (#4351296)
That said, I understand the frustration obviously and don't mean to grind the axe. Obviously stuff like 2524 is out of line


Well, clearly the NFL has their story-line babies going to the game, just as they planned, so that's all good I suppose.
   2547. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: January 20, 2013 at 07:30 PM (#4351297)
I hope the things you love die slowly and painfully while you watch.

I'll try to console myself by remembering all the Super Bowls my team has won.
   2548. tshipman Posted: January 20, 2013 at 07:30 PM (#4351298)
The defenders hand did glance of the QB's face mask... not that is interfering or roughing in any way.


The rulebook disagrees. I think that the rule is a bad one, but the call was made correctly.

And they ignored PF's for roughing against SF on two or three plays against Ryan after the throw.


I think the difficulty here is that you don't appear to understand the rules. A lot of NFL fans are like this. They see things happen, and they think, "That looks like roughing the passer!" However, the rule for what is and is not roughing the passer is pretty clear.
   2549. Howie Menckel Posted: January 20, 2013 at 07:30 PM (#4351299)

"If you lose in an NFL game, short something absolutely ridiculous like the tuck rule, or the Seahawks in that superbowl ages ago, you have no cause to blame the refs."

Even the tuck rule call was correct, based on the stupid rule that amazingly remains on the books. The Pats could not have won the Super Bowl that year if not for a ridiculous rule, but there is no reason to blame the refs for making the correct call. It was a clear example of the dumb rule.

The Seahawks? Yes, the refs ruined that Super Bowl, really. SO many bad calls throughout that I can see those fans having a right to #####. (Of course, they got the worst final-play call in NFL history go their way this year, so there's that).

   2550. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: January 20, 2013 at 07:32 PM (#4351301)
A lot of NFL fans are like this. They see things happen, and they think, "That looks like roughing the passer!" However, the rule for what is and is not roughing the passer is pretty clear.


Yes, clearly driving a QB to the ground three steps after the throw is released isn't roughing, while waving at the ball as you avoid bodily contact with the QB entirely is. Because, you know, rules and stuff.
   2551. zenbitz Posted: January 20, 2013 at 07:33 PM (#4351302)
I just looked at the box score of this game. Rarely will see a game as close to a statistical tie.

Niners had 48 plays, Falcons 51, but the niners lead in YPP 7.6 to 7.5.
Falcons had 10 more yards of offense, but 1 more turnover. Niners missed a 75-25 field goal. Penalties were within 10 yards. Niners had more return yards... But 60 of the K/O return yards were "free" (could have just taken a knee). So that's a whopping 13 yard edge on 1 punt and 1 int return.



   2552. MHS Posted: January 20, 2013 at 07:35 PM (#4351303)
The rulebook disagrees. I think that the rule is a bad one, but the call was made correctly.


Only if you believe their should be no interpretation of said rule book.

   2553. zenbitz Posted: January 20, 2013 at 07:36 PM (#4351305)
Sam -
Just let it all out big guy. We're here for you. It's hard to lose, I know. There, there.
   2554. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: January 20, 2013 at 07:36 PM (#4351306)
Only if you believe their should be no interpretation of said rule book.


You can tell it was a bullshit call by watching Kaepernick's non-reaction.
   2555. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: January 20, 2013 at 07:37 PM (#4351307)
Just let it all out big guy. We're here for you. It's hard to lose, I know. There, there.


May your parents burn in hell for eternity.
   2556. MHS Posted: January 20, 2013 at 07:37 PM (#4351308)
Shannon Sharpe (of all people) in the pre-game show just said Tom Brady is the greatest quarterback who has ever played. Another commentator said it as well... it may have been boomer, but I was getting a beer and only heard it.

Discuss.

   2557. Mike A Posted: January 20, 2013 at 07:37 PM (#4351309)
Yeah, the game was pretty much dead even, what killed the Falcons was that one extra turnover. The better team probably won, but the Falcons were certainly not far behind. Or at least not as far behind as the pundits thought.
   2558. puck Posted: January 20, 2013 at 07:38 PM (#4351310)
How'd they pick these guys for the anthem? The game is in MA, right?
   2559. MHS Posted: January 20, 2013 at 07:38 PM (#4351311)
Who the hell is gloriania? Besides an award winning country artist?

I listen to the local country station... and I don't know who they are.

   2560. JJ1986 Posted: January 20, 2013 at 07:39 PM (#4351312)
The roughing call was bullshit, but wasn't it on a non-scoring drive. I had a minimal effect on the game.
   2561. MHS Posted: January 20, 2013 at 07:39 PM (#4351313)
I am so ####### pumped for this game. I pray the pats show up. I took a nap this afternoon to be sure I was sufficiently charged up.

   2562. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: January 20, 2013 at 07:40 PM (#4351314)
The roughing call was ########, but wasn't it on a non-scoring drive. I had a minimal effect on the game.


It took the ball out of Atlanta's offense's hands.
   2563. Howie Menckel Posted: January 20, 2013 at 07:41 PM (#4351315)

This will be the 10th year in a row that the Super Bowl champ won't have as many regular-season wins as one or more teams. The times, they have changed.

   2564. puck Posted: January 20, 2013 at 07:41 PM (#4351316)
I took a nap this afternoon to be sure I was sufficiently charged up.

Looked like Ray Lewis did, too.
   2565. Tom Nawrocki Posted: January 20, 2013 at 07:42 PM (#4351317)
It took the ball out of Atlanta's offense's hands.


Eh, Matty Ice would have just coughed it up again, as he was doing the entire second half.
   2566. puck Posted: January 20, 2013 at 07:42 PM (#4351318)
This could be a factor against New England: their LT is from U Colorado.
   2567. Mike A Posted: January 20, 2013 at 07:43 PM (#4351320)
QBs today have such a huge advantage over QBs of the past that it's hard to compare them. It's like comparing pitchers of the late 60s with pitchers of the late 90s.

Brady is certainly top 10, but I don't think he's near #1. That's probably Montana in my book, with good arguments to be made for several others (Unitas, Graham, etc).
   2568. Tom Nawrocki Posted: January 20, 2013 at 07:45 PM (#4351322)
Sweet call by Belichick there, forcing the Ravens to burn a timeout.
   2569. Howie Menckel Posted: January 20, 2013 at 07:48 PM (#4351323)

A first-half timeout.
nicely done, but not the same as a second-half timeout.

   2570. Tom Nawrocki Posted: January 20, 2013 at 07:50 PM (#4351324)
Well, they probably would have gone for it (and made it) if the Ravens hadn't called timeout.
   2571. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: January 20, 2013 at 07:50 PM (#4351325)
I think Brady has a fairly strong argument for top 5 all time. But I agree that it's very hard to compare across eras in the NFL.

Wish that Belichick had saved the fake punt for the second half. But still really cool.
   2572. stanmvp48 Posted: January 20, 2013 at 07:51 PM (#4351326)
The referees didn't always require a five minute conference before every call.
   2573. MHS Posted: January 20, 2013 at 07:53 PM (#4351327)
Simms made a nice point, that even by getting the time out they got information on the reaction which maybe valuable if they decide to go for it later in the game. Though, I'm not sure who gets the advantage on the information trade. The faker or the fakee.

   2574. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: January 20, 2013 at 07:53 PM (#4351328)
Also, this game terrifies me. The Ravens give the Patriots fits (and vice versa). Great rivalry, and I'd almost rather see the Patriots in Denver this week but for home field advantage.
   2575. zenbitz Posted: January 20, 2013 at 07:54 PM (#4351329)
I cannot edit 2551 but..
I just looked at the box score of this game....

This is 100% wrong, and is missing 15 plays and 100 yards of 4th quarter falcons offense. There was some screw up with the play logging. Advancedfootballstats.com WPA is all wonky as well.
   2576. zenbitz Posted: January 20, 2013 at 08:07 PM (#4351332)
I think Peyton is better than Brady. But I a cold-hearted in-season analyst, not a clutch happy playoff fanatic. I think Peyton is better than Montana. There's an arguement that Young is better than Montana. I think Brady is all-time top 5. But after all that, the best SINGLE SEASON I ever saw from a QB was Rodgers 2011 (although Manning 2004 and Brady 2007 are very very close).

Well maybe not
   2577. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: January 20, 2013 at 08:07 PM (#4351333)
I can't say enough about the way Kaepernick stayed composed after the Niners got down by 17, one the road and in a hostile environment. Just a big time performance.
   2578. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: January 20, 2013 at 08:08 PM (#4351334)
Hope Talib isn't hurt, he's been vital to the Patriots having a decent pass defense.
   2579. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: January 20, 2013 at 08:11 PM (#4351337)
I can't say enough about the way Kaepernick stayed composed after the Niners got down by 17, one the road and in a hostile environment. Just a big time performance.


Let us all bow before the preferred narrative, for it is easy and fed to us with spoons!
   2580. Howie Menckel Posted: January 20, 2013 at 08:11 PM (#4351338)

I love the fact that dopes like Jim Rome focus on how many wins Peyton Manning has in the postseason, and not how far his team got each year.

In Rome world, going 10-6 and beating a 9-7 team in a home game in the first round is way better than going 14-2 and skipping the first round altogether. If only PManning had lost more regular season games, he might have enough playoff wins to appease the Romes of the world. lol

   2581. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: January 20, 2013 at 08:12 PM (#4351339)
you want a cheap call that's a cheap call

guy ducked his head
   2582. Tom Nawrocki Posted: January 20, 2013 at 08:13 PM (#4351340)
That's three inaccurate passes from Brady so far.
   2583. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: January 20, 2013 at 08:13 PM (#4351341)
Football Outsider's DYAR metric has serious problems when applied to RB, and to WR as well, but it's pretty good for QBs, and by that metric Brady over the last several years has been on a level that no one else can touch. That being said, the Patriot's offense is pretty much the platonic ideal for getting high marks- lots of successful plays and high percentage passing.
   2584. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: January 20, 2013 at 08:13 PM (#4351342)
Let us all bow before the preferred narrative, for it is easy and fed to us with spoons!
Especially when the reality is that the only reason Atlanta because of bad calls, and not because they blew a three-score lead for the second time in two weeks.
   2585. Tom Nawrocki Posted: January 20, 2013 at 08:15 PM (#4351344)
Sam would prefer we use the narrative about how the Falcons' penchant for blowing leads reveals something about their lack of character.
   2586. puck Posted: January 20, 2013 at 08:15 PM (#4351345)
What is that horn they blow in Gilette? It's like a hockey game.
   2587. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: January 20, 2013 at 08:15 PM (#4351347)
kind of surprised new england didn't go for it

for what it is worth for the last, oh 30 years or so, when green bay gets inside the 40 i have been ranting for them to go for it on 4th down.

unless it's crazy long. and even then i am leaning towards going for it'

i just don't see the purpose in a punt that puts the opponet at what, maybe the 10 yard line?

but that's me
   2588. Tom Nawrocki Posted: January 20, 2013 at 08:16 PM (#4351348)
They should have brought Ryan Mallett out with the punt team, just to see what the Ravens did.
   2589. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: January 20, 2013 at 08:17 PM (#4351349)
wide open down the sideline

ouch
   2590. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: January 20, 2013 at 08:20 PM (#4351350)
I am officially rooting for al-Queda this Superbowl.
   2591. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: January 20, 2013 at 08:20 PM (#4351351)
i doubt there are many jobs where you can dress like a hobo

good for bill at getting that type of gig
   2592. Tom Nawrocki Posted: January 20, 2013 at 08:21 PM (#4351352)
Brady really looks sloppy (by his standards) so far. Maybe it's the wind.
   2593. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: January 20, 2013 at 08:21 PM (#4351353)
I don't understand what Belichick is doing. I expected him to go for it on fourth down each of the last two possessions.
   2594. smileyy Posted: January 20, 2013 at 08:21 PM (#4351354)
Harvey, the better you are at your job, the more likely you can dress like a hobo if you want.
   2595. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: January 20, 2013 at 08:21 PM (#4351355)
the chip kelly contract is rather ridiculous
   2596. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: January 20, 2013 at 08:23 PM (#4351357)
smileyy

while trying to remain modest i worked and generated what could be termed a small ag empire. and i didn't dress like a bum though there was plenty of denim involved

just saying
   2597. The Ghost's Tryin' to Reason with Hurricane Season Posted: January 20, 2013 at 08:24 PM (#4351358)
hw, I concur with not punting there.

Plenty of analyses have concluded that coaches are much too conservative.

I like to compare it to my early days in the mainframe computer game in the 70's. They used to say "no one ever got firwd for buying IBM."

Corollary: "No coach ever got fired for punting."

   2598. zenbitz Posted: January 20, 2013 at 08:24 PM (#4351359)
The wind must be a really significant factor in this game for Belichek to all of a sudden get field position itis.
   2599. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: January 20, 2013 at 08:25 PM (#4351360)
Al-Qaeda is great with the bomb, but gets intercepted regularly and blown up in the backfield.
   2600. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: January 20, 2013 at 08:26 PM (#4351361)
In general coaches are conservative, but usually Belichick is more aggressive than this.
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