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I'd easily rather have the decisionmaking than the arm, if given a choice.
This, and I have this thought every time Cutler throws off his ####### back foot into triple coverage.
jim mcmahon the last few years of his career
chad pennington obviously
boomer
brad johnson had what i thought was a joke of an arm but the guy would make plays
bernie kosar
Bit early for that. Tebow's already accomplished more in the NFL than McElroy is ever likely to.
I couldn't do anything but laugh after the fumble.
McElroy is not Sanchez or Tebow, so I'm all for him starting.
Was the idea "We'll keep him on the bench until he develops as a quarterback...oh *($# he's not going to develop as a quarterback..."?
Cause they're the Jets.
1, luke joeckel, OT, texas A&M
2, khaseem greene, LB, rutgers
3, joseph fauria, TE, UCLA
4, tavon austin, WR/KR/PR/RB west virginia
5, travis kelce, TE, cincinnati
6, phillip steward, LB, houston
7, will davis, DB, utah state
7, dj hayden, DB, houston
i am fairly sure that i am woefully under-projecting some of these players, but as things stand now, i'd be pretty happy to get either greene or fauria in the 2nd round (where the eagles are currently scheduled to pick 35th), and i'd be happy to get any of the others in the 3rd round (assuming they're not projected to go undrafted).
with joeckel, he should be a plug-and-play tackle, and with the way the eagles look right now, that could be fairly necessary. if the eagles get him, the best case scenario would be a line of peters-mathis-kelce-herremens-joeckel, which looks pretty damn good if those guys come back healthy. assuming that any of them don't, the worst case scenario would be something like joeckel-mathis-reynolds-watkins-kelly, but even then, that joeckel-mathis combination on the left side of the line could be excellent in the run game.
and then at the skill positions, the eagles TE situation needs a significant overhaul. brent celek is now on concussion #62, and his body is 3/4 of the way to broken down. and clay harbor was just put on injured reserve with multiple fractures in his spine. personally, i don't think you can count on either of them. bringing in fauria gives the team a strong red-zone threat, and with travis kelce, the eagles have had a ton of success in drafting from cincinnati (celek, trent cole, and jason kelce (travis's brother) were all drafted from there), so i'll go with that.
and then tavon austin is an explosive playmaker at multiple positions. in the last 2 years, he's had 11 100-yard receiving games and a 300-yard rushing game, in addition to 4 kick return TDs. his size is an issue, but if you're getting him in the 3rd round, that's not much of a risk. if you add him to the depth chart at WR, that gives you something like jackson -> maclin -> avant -> cooper -> austin -> johnson -> mcnutt. there's some overlap between him and damaris johnson, but if they can play, it's not an issue.
and then on defense, the line shouldn't be much of an issue. even if you consider the veterans (cullen jenkins, mike patterson, and trent cole) to be question marks, that still leaves you with brandon graham, vinny curry and phillip hunt at DE, and fletcher cox, cedric thornton and derek landri at DT. that's not exactly a murderers row of pass-rushers, but if you bring back 1 or 2 of those veterans, and add another 2 guys in free agency, there's some good competition there.
at LB, adding greene and steward gives you two really aggressive playmakers. the two combined for 350 tackles, 16 sacks, 4 interceptions, and 11 forced fumbles this past year. i don't know whether all of that translates to pro-bowl LB, but at the least, you should sure up the coverage units. considering how much of a weakness the position was for the eagles last year, if you add greene and steward to ryans, kendricks, and chaney, that position could become a huge strength almost overnight.
and then at DB, davis and hayden have combined for 34 passes defensed, 9 interceptions, and 120 tackles this year. hayden has serious medical concerns, but if you get him healthy, he's a player.
Wow.
And they can't trade Sanchez b/c they just signed him to a ridiculous extension this past offseason
On the NHL front, games though Jan. 14th are canceled.
at this point, i think the way that this will play out is that on january 7th, the NHL and the NHLPA will get together for a 15 hour bargaining session ending with donald fehr announcing at a press conference that the two sides have reached an agreement and the season will start in two weeks...and then 20 minutes later, fehr will have another press conference where he announces that gary bettman has left a voicemail on his phone telling him there's no deal and the season has been cancelled.
ha, ha.
They're just like the GOP Harv.
Well except for beating the wins estimate part.
At least the Amerks are playing 3 times while I'm home next week.
Yes, I think Vikings need just a win next week and any Giants losses, OR 2 Seahawks losses.
It helps them that though they lost to Redskins, they can't meet up at 10-6 because that would be a Redskins division title. I guess that could be a problem if they both go 9-7, however.
but the fact that each player is doing two things that are almost unprecedented in NFL history is just really fun to watch.
Unless they don't.
I assume moving the Blue Jackets to Winnipeg for a season. But I don't know how that makes sense.
Less travel for Winnipeg, who are currently in the Southeast division.
Since they have apparently actually made some more concessions in the players' direction, despite all the previous bulls##t about final offer, let's hope so. I think the owners realize that simply cannot lose an entire season, and the next 3-5 days can get it done. But this is purely hope, conjecture and optimism. I sure as hell wouldn't bet a nickel on it.
That would be pretty interesting. And it would be a terrible deal for Winnipeg.
They really need to get Nashville into the Southeast, Minnesota in the Central, and Winnipeg in the NW. Unless they aim for a more radical plan of 4 divisions again. There's been a lot of expectation that there is an expansion in the next few years to get to 32 teams - which would make 4 divisions more likely then than now.
The Andrew Luck one? Yeah, either a fumble or a lateral. I'm not sure how the Colts still have the ball.
All former Atlanta franchises should be in the Southeast.
If would definitely make sense for Calgary and Winnipeg to be in the Southeast together. Edmonton, Minnesota and Vancouver would have to join them there though.
With the Bears win, it's now loser-goes-home for both teams.
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849 (JJ1986): The officials didn't see McCarthy's flag until *after* the booth buzzed the referee to review the play. Since the review had already been initiated, McCarthy's idiotic action "only" resulted in a fifteen-yard penalty, but did not prevent the review from being enacted.
Schwartz's idiotic action came *before* the booth buzzed the referee to review the play on Thanksgiving, so it prevented the review from happening.
It's the way the rule is written, and I'm sure the competition committee will discuss it in the offseason.
That said, it is inexcusable for any head coach to throw a red flag on any scoring play or turnover.
EDIT: In response to 850, the review is most definitely not "automatically" initiated. Rather, the booth has to initiate it manually. It's just like any play that occurs after the two-minute warning or in overtime. "Every scoring play and turnover is reviewed" is the biggest falsehood being spoken by broadcaster this year.
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853 (McCoy): Maybe. If Emery has a guy in mind, then yes. And if he does, then I'm OK with Smith getting fired.
But firing Smith just to fire him, I can't get on board with that. You're more likely to bring in the next Dick Jauron than the next Jim Harbaugh that way.
I absolutely think Emery needs to bring in a whole new offensive staff and/or philosophy, and by that I mean not letting Smith make the hire.
I'll say this in defense of Lovie: he never had a single game that he coached as poorly as Mike McCarthy's today.
Yes. One game shouldn't be the deciding factor. Certainly one by another team.
This, but I'm still rooting for Washington. I like Griffin a lot.
I can't see how ownership and the front office are satisfied with Smith.
And I think that's an awful philosophy. Emery right now has to know what the strengths and weaknesses of the Bears are. He therefore should have a plan to improve the team. If that means Lovie stays on as head coach, fine. And if that means Lovie goes, also fine.
But the outcome of the Packers-Vikings game has no bearing on what makes the Bears a better team. And Emery needs to make a decision based on what makes the Bears better.
In that sense, the silver lining of the Vikings' win is that Emery will have complete freedom to do what he feels is necessary. He won't be faced with the conventional wisdom that you can't fire a playoff coach.
And what I'm saying is that if this statement is true, why would the Packers-Viking game make them satisfied?
Yes it did. And this year the Giants are the same 9-7 mediocrity they were last year. A decision to fire Coughlin made prior to the last game of the season was justified. But they kept on winning, so they couldn't do it.
fyi
playoff sked set:
Sat:
CIN at HOU, 4:30pm ET
MIN at GB, 8 pm
Sun
IND at BAL, 1 pm
SEA at WAS or DAL, 4:30 pm
I have no idea why it would or wouldn't.
The Bears now know their season is over and they won't be going to the playoffs. The ultimate goal of every team and a goal that the Bears thought they were in the running for is now lost to them this year. Thus there is no need to keep Smith around anymore. If the Packers win the Bears go to the playoffs and it would make little sense to fire the head coach a week before they play a playoff game.
Baby steps.
If the Vikings had lost, the Bears performance this season would not have changed at all, but their outcome would have. The evaluation shouldn't change because of that.
Of course not. But if the Bears choose to fire Lovie now, then I think they should have also fired him had they made the playoffs. Just after it was over, not between the regular season and the playoffs.
EDIT: That said, in a scenario where the Bears came out and outcoached three or four playoff opponents in a row, then the evaluation of Lovie certainly could have changed (the Coughlin scenario). So the playoffs essentially would have bought him one last chance.
And of course, this only applies if Emery doesn't believe Lovie's the right coach moving forward.
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Exactly.
And when all of humanity become perfect rational actors you might have a point, well, that and a really cool flying car powered by love and happiness.
Exactly.
How is it exactly when in your own edit you explain why Smith's performance could have changed with a Vikings' loss?
Smith's performance up until now wouldn't have changed with a Vikings' loss.
It's certainly possible he could reach a new level of coaching were he given three or four more games. He might keep his job and become better in 2013, too.
But if the difference between firing and retaining was simply "did the Bears make the playoffs?", then I think it would be poor reasoning.
So because others are not rational actors, I shouldn't be? That is irrational.
And Kyle Shanahan would intrigue me as the next Bears' head coach.
I said you might have a point but I don't think you do because playing more games, which is what would have happened had the Packers won, could have changed how ownership and the front office viewed Smith.
Smith's performance up until now wouldn't have changed with a Vikings' loss.
Correct, thus his job was in jeopardy and the only reason he wasn't on the hot seat publicly all season long is because most people figure the McCaskeys are a bunch of cheapskates that won't pay for two head coaches.
But if the difference between firing and retaining was simply "did the Bears make the playoffs?", then I think it would be poor reasoning.
And that wasn't the question put forth. If the Vikings lose then the question would become does Smith's job ride on the Bears winning the WC, then it would become does Smith job ride on winning the next game after that, and then the next one after that, and finally the next one after that.
Right, and I don't like the game-by-game approach.
Now, if, following the Lions game, Emery's verdict was, "Smith is not the right coach for 2013," then a Vikings' loss shouldn't have changed that.
And if the verdict was, "Smith *is* the right coach for 2013," then a Vikings' win shouldn't have changed that.
The only way I could see the Vikings-Packers outcome changing things is if the verdict was, "Smith might be the right choice, I'd like to see a few more games, but if not, I'll fire him." In that case, I'd be fine with letting the Vikings-Packer game have any impact on the decision.
Don't let one year with a great rookie fool you.
Now, if, following the Lions game, Emery's verdict was, "Smith is not the right coach for 2013," then a Vikings' loss shouldn't have changed that.
And if the verdict was, "Smith *is* the right coach for 2013," then a Vikings' win shouldn't have changed that.
The only way I could see the Vikings-Packers outcome changing things is if the verdict was, "Smith might be the right choice, I'd like to a few more games, but if not, I'll fire him." In that case, I'd be fine with letting the Vikings-Packer game have any impact on the decision.
So if they think Smith isn't the right guy for the Bears in 2013 and the Vikings lose and the Bears go to the playoffs and somehow win the whole thing they should still fire him anyway? Why? Doing that would probably be more destructive than simply keep Smith for one more year.
Fair enough. That is why I said it would be "intrigu[ing]", though. I'm not familiar enough with him to know if it would be good or bad.
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Yes, but it's an interesting situation. Smith is a known commodity; he's a very, very good defensive coach who cannot build an offense at all. If Emery had made the concrete decision that Smith was not the best coach for 2013, then that means he has someone in mind who would be able to build a successful offense, which is the most important aspect of the modern NFL.
So if the Bears were to get lucky or hot and win the Super Bowl, that doesn't change those facts. So yeah, I'd still fire him.
Would that actually happen? Absolutely not. There would be way too much external pressure to retain the coach that just won a Super Bowl, even though you firmly believe someone else is more likely to do so moving forward.
Granted there is no one stat that explains everything, but this should illustrate the impact of RGIII. Washington under Shanahan, rankings of FO efficiency, PFR Expected Points, Advanced NFL Stats EPA:
2010: 25/25/22
2011: 19/12/23
2012: 6/4/3
Yes it does change the facts. For instance the guy he has in mind might not want to come after the debacle that would be removing Smith. The team itself might very well and probably would be in an uproar that could hurt the Bears on field performance for 2013 as well as influence the offseason transactions.
Very true. I'm speaking more from a principle point of view. (EDIT: Well, actually, it doesn't change the facts I laid out. Smith would still have the same flaws, and would not be the right coach moving forward for the same reasons.)
It's why I was saying the silver lining to the Viking win was that Emery now is completely free to go in the direction he believes helps the team in 2013 and beyond.
Yes it does change the facts. If Smith's team wins the Super Bowl it could very well mean he is the right coach moving forward since removing him might make it impossible to install the "right person" for the job and putting someone beside Smith in that job might hurt the Bears' chances at winning more than just keeping Smith there.
To be pedantic, that's changing the situation, not the facts that were known when the decision was made.
And if the "right guy" is now unavailable, then keeping Smith is more attractive. But if the "right guy" still wouldn't come to the Bears, then he wasn't really the "right guy". I'm only a fan of firing Smith if Emery has a known list of guys he wants for good reasons, and knows that he'll be able to hire one.
He was in Houston then. Rick Dennison was the OC in Denver.
This is true, but let's not forget that when he was in Houston he thought John Beck was worth a top ten pick. It's possible that he is actually a very good coach. I don't see it but I'm just some guy with a laptop. Mike McCarthy oversaw the worst offense in the league and then he got hired as a head coach. My point is that RGIII is the horse and Shanahan is the cart, not the other way around. I'll give him credit for installing a good deal of "college plays" into the offense and doing well with it. Ditto Darrell Bevell.
He never coached in Denver. Before Washington he was in Houston and before that Tampa.
And if the "right guy" is now unavailable, then keeping Smith is more attractive. But if the "right guy" still wouldn't come to the Bears, then he wasn't really the "right guy". I'm only a fan of firing Smith if Emery has a known list of guys he wants for good reasons, and knows that he'll be able to hire one.
So the standard for deciding to fire someone is that the GM must somehow know that even if the old coach goes out and wins the Super Bowl the right person will still take the job and will still be the best option for the team despite what would happen by firing a Super Bowl winning coach? Does the coach also have to have a last name that sounds like unicorn?
There could be as many as 10 NFL HC vacancies. I would think this would make a team less likely to fire its head coach since, well, desirable candidates have more options than usual.
And three of them will be filled by obviously bad coaches. Let the races begin.
Good luck with that Andy. Reid supposedly wants that job. The Chargers supposedly do not want him.
"What the... That's it! Einhorn is Finkle! Finkle is Einhorn! Einhorn is a man!"
Not really. There is no sport in America where first year pros dominate like they do in football. Every year rookies dominate and handfuls are immediately among the best in the sport at their position. Forget getting acclimated to the new playbook or competition. Just roll the ball out there and watch em dominate.
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