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i estimate that absolutely noone gives a damn about the NHL, so by folding that thread into this one, we won’t distract from what this thread is really about: boner pills, blood doping (is it low t?), and…jesus christ did mike vick just throw another ####### interception?

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   8001. zenbitz Posted: September 04, 2014 at 04:33 PM (#4785632)
The 49ers had one of the worst looking pre-seasons ever. Just nothing in the trenches. I presume this is meaningless. They look like a 9-10 win team to me on paper... but I think this is the year we find out if Harbaugh/Roman are holding the offense back, because I don't think the defense is looking great.
   8002. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: September 04, 2014 at 04:52 PM (#4785650)
Football Outsiders' projections see ten of twelve returning. A commenter on that thread went back and looked, and found the following:
2013: 3/6 AFC teams returned, 5/6 NFC
2012: 3/6 AFC, 3/6 NFC
2011: 4/6 AFC, 4/6 AFC
2010: 5/6 AFC, 4/6 NFC


Those fractions are the number of predictions that FO got correct, not the number of returning playoff teams.
   8003. JJ1986 Posted: September 04, 2014 at 05:01 PM (#4785652)
By my count:

7 returned in 2013.
8 returned in 2012.
7 returned in 2011.
7 returned in 2010.
   8004. Eddo Posted: September 04, 2014 at 06:34 PM (#4785702)
Those fractions are the number of predictions that FO got correct, not the number of returning playoff teams.

Ah, my mistake. Thanks for the clarification.
   8005. Eddo Posted: September 04, 2014 at 06:36 PM (#4785703)
The thing is, of the new playoff teams, it's quite a bit of a crapshoot, so of course any reasonable projection system will flag more returners.

Assuming seven playoff teams stay the same year-to-year (based on JJ1986's #8003), each playoff team from the year N-1 has a 58% (7/12) chance of making the playoffs in year N, whereas each non-playoff team has a 25% (5/20) chance.

So yeah, you could throw out a few non-playoff teams from the year before, but they all still most likely have longer odds than a playoff team.
   8006. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: September 04, 2014 at 07:03 PM (#4785714)
I think the 49ers offense could be really, really good. Their wide receiving corps is light years ahead of what it was for most of last year. A full year of a healthy Crabtree could be huge for them (passing offense is completely different with him in the lineup) and they Carlos Hyde was a great pickup for them to spell Gore or replace him if the latter starts to show his age.

I think this year will tell us a lot about Kaepernick as a passer. Last year, there weren't a lot of weapons for most of the year. This year, there should be no excuses on offense.
   8007. Joey B. is counting the days to Trea Turner Posted: September 04, 2014 at 08:08 PM (#4785750)
In the pregame show, Peter King broke the news that as soon as the Rams released Michael Sam, the league office started desperately calling up teams around the league basically begging someone to pick him up. They've apparently decided that they need him as an openly gay mascot for P.R. purposes. Absolutely unreal what's going on these days.
   8008. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: September 04, 2014 at 09:26 PM (#4785778)
Assuming seven playoff teams stay the same year-to-year (based on JJ1986's #8003), each playoff team from the year N-1 has a 58% (7/12) chance of making the playoffs in year N, whereas each non-playoff team has a 25% (5/20) chance.

So yeah, you could throw out a few non-playoff teams from the year before, but they all still most likely have longer odds than a playoff team.
i would say that carolina, kansas city and san diego are the most likely teams to drop out. i'd also say san francisco has a pretty huge potential for collapse. i'm also not a huge fan of indianapolis, but their division is horrendous so they might get in by default.

other than that, a bunch of teams are in huge trouble if they lose their QB.

i think atlanta and baltimore are the most likely teams to make the playoffs after missing them last year. after them, chicago, arizona, pittsburgh and maybe one of tennessee or houston if indy collapses.
   8009. zenbitz Posted: September 05, 2014 at 01:24 PM (#4786129)
I would like Harveys to show up here and tell me that Green Bay's defense is really that terrible. Seattle looks completely unbeatable.
   8010. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: September 07, 2014 at 04:56 PM (#4787152)
i'd also say san francisco has a pretty huge potential for collapse.


I think San Francisco has as high a ceiling as any team, even Seattle's. San Francisco's offense could be really explosive this year. The defense, when completely healthy and not suspended, should be pretty good if not as dominant as it was a few years ago. But they are going to struggle while Bowman and Smith are out.

New England really looked bad in the second half today. Dominated at the line of scrimmage both offensively and defensively. Brady also missed more than one passes down the field.
   8011. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: September 07, 2014 at 05:01 PM (#4787158)
There are a ton of 49er fans in Dallas today.
   8012. Howie Menckel Posted: September 07, 2014 at 06:32 PM (#4787226)

The R#*@skins had a punt blocked for a TD, an extra pt blocked, fumbled 3 times in the red zone (once escaped when Morris fell down just before he lost it), committed many stupid penalties in big spots, and couldn't stop any key 3rd downs in a 17-6 loss to Houston. Maybe God is a native American.
   8013. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: September 07, 2014 at 07:03 PM (#4787236)
Or maybe he just can't stand Little Danny Napoleon. You don't have to be an Indian to wish he'd move to India and take up cricket as a hobby.
   8014. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: September 07, 2014 at 07:05 PM (#4787238)
There are a ton of 49er fans in Dallas today.

That's probably because the native Dallas fans are now all camping out in FedEx. They want to see their 'boys win at least one game this year.
   8015. zenbitz Posted: September 08, 2014 at 09:01 PM (#4788015)
SF - Dallas was a very sloppy game. Kapernick looked good until up by 18 he wasn't allowed to throw except on 3rd down. Dallas dominated both lines until the 4th quarter. Even the refs looked bad.
   8016. Joey B. is counting the days to Trea Turner Posted: September 14, 2014 at 11:14 AM (#4791606)
No Adrian Peterson = a Vikings team in very deep doo-doo.

My absolutely free drop-dead stone cold lock of the day: take New England, give the points, and watch them roll comfortably.
   8017. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: September 14, 2014 at 11:24 AM (#4791609)
PREDICTED FINAL SCORES: WEEK TWO:

Bills 17
Dolphins 13

Cowboys 37
Titans 24

Patriots 38
Vikings 13

Falcons 34
Bengals 31

Jaguars 31
Washington 14

Cardinals 38
Giants 24

Saints 63
Browns 2

Lions 33
Panthers 28

Rams 16
Bucs 3

Texans 35
Raiders 6

Chiefs 24
Broncos 49

Seahawks 28
Chargers 24

Jets 22
Packers 34

Bears 20
49ers 47

Steelers 26
Ravens 6

Eagles 35
Colts 38

There, now that you know how it’ll play out, you can free yourself to do other things today.
   8018. Howie Menckel Posted: September 14, 2014 at 12:12 PM (#4791626)
Ray Lewis pontificating fiercely now on ESPN about NFL players "who have lost their way" and how these actions by players are "embarrassing." and they have "no respect." and he's mad at people who "don't know nothing about what I was going through."

wow

   8019. Joey B. is counting the days to Trea Turner Posted: September 14, 2014 at 12:20 PM (#4791631)
Carson Palmer out. If Eli can't beat them with whoever the hell his backup is, he should just retire.
   8020. McCoy Posted: September 14, 2014 at 01:12 PM (#4791653)
Absolute BS call on that review in the Skins game. That was so a catch.
   8021. Howie Menckel Posted: September 14, 2014 at 02:06 PM (#4791673)
Titans went with a mix tape in stadium before game today:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11...music-warm-ups

"Friday Night Remix" includes this passage: "Hit it with the left, hit it with the right, I'm a knock the ##### out like fight night. Beat it with the left, beat it with the right, I'm a knock the ##### out like fight night."

nice beat, and you can dance to it! (female dog bleeped out)
   8022. Greg K Posted: September 14, 2014 at 02:31 PM (#4791683)
"Friday Night Remix" includes this passage: "Hit it with the left, hit it with the right, I'm a knock the ##### out like fight night. Beat it with the left, beat it with the right, I'm a knock the ##### out like fight night."

More, or less tasteful than "Always look on the runway for ice" as a pre-game welcome for Man U?
   8023. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: September 14, 2014 at 07:11 PM (#4791829)
Fantastic game by San Diego. Controlled the ball and the game all day.
   8024. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: September 14, 2014 at 07:34 PM (#4791836)
And WTF was Denver doing? Why no time out with one minute left in the game? Very lucky KC couldn't get the touchdown with 10 seconds left.
   8025. Hot Wheeling American, MS-13 Enthusiast Posted: September 14, 2014 at 08:01 PM (#4791847)
Picked Tampa in survivor so, of course, they get into (long distance) field goal range with eight seconds left, but the receive who caught the pass to get them there was hit hard. Had trouble getting up and in position to line up to spike, so the refs made the call that this would normally require an injury timeout, but the Bucs were out of TOs. Ten second run off, game over, me super sad.
   8026. Howie Menckel Posted: September 14, 2014 at 08:22 PM (#4791857)

Jets also scored a game-tying TD with 3 mins left, negated by timeout call.
The CBS "expert," who seems kind of clueless, said only a head coach can call a timeout, but Rex Ryan didn't.

ok, but in the Patriots' undefeated season, they seemingly lost a game to Baltimore - until the Ravens defensive coordinator in the Monday night game was found, after the Patriots were stopped on 4th and 1 with no timeouts left and out of chances, to have been granted a timeout. Given new life, the Pats scored and won.

That DC was.... Rex Ryan.

Maybe they changed the rule since (like the stupid tuck rule that also kept the Pats alive in another season), but, uh, mention that.
   8027. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: September 14, 2014 at 08:24 PM (#4791858)
I saw the TB ending. Very harsh way to lose. It would have been a 49 or 50 yard kick, and they very likely would have been able to spike it and set up for it, though it would have been rushed a bit.
   8028. Howie Menckel Posted: September 14, 2014 at 08:46 PM (#4791865)

yet another properly ruled play that is.... unfortunate.
   8029. Greg K Posted: September 14, 2014 at 09:04 PM (#4791869)
Jets also scored a game-tying TD with 3 mins left, negated by timeout call.
The CBS "expert," who seems kind of clueless, said only a head coach can call a timeout, but Rex Ryan didn't.

My impression is that only head coaches can call timeout from the sideline but in practice refs seem to take timeout calls from the sideline if they're watching the play and don't really have time to look over to confirm who is asking for time.

I think most times a coach calls timeout it's him standing beside the ref while the clock runs down and says something like "I'll call timeout with a second left of the playclock".
   8030. Howie Menckel Posted: September 14, 2014 at 09:17 PM (#4791877)
When Rex called it as assistant to accidentally salvage the Pats' 18-0 season, the announcers didn't talk about who could or couldn't call it. I never heard the description the tentative expert guy (who conflicted with a forward pass/turnover question with the ref's call earlier in the game) made in this one.

Your scenario has to do with late field goals. this had to do with a key 4th and 8 play, and the DC well down the field panicked at what he saw and wanted a timeout. but he was nowhere near Ryan, or the line of scrimmage, as he started to run.
   8031. Howie Menckel Posted: September 14, 2014 at 09:23 PM (#4791879)

weak sauce here

Bleacher Report @BleacherReport 32m

Richard Sherman did not talk to the media after the Seahawks’ loss. Chargers players described Sherman as “exposed” http://ble.ac/ZlSqUs

   8032. Greg K Posted: September 14, 2014 at 10:11 PM (#4791890)
Your scenario has to do with late field goals. this had to do with a key 4th and 8 play, and the DC well down the field panicked at what he saw and wanted a timeout. but he was nowhere near Ryan, or the line of scrimmage, as he started to run.

Oh yeah, I was watching the game as well. It was my impression that the official who awarded the timeout was watching the play and just heard someone on the Jets sideline running along yelling for a timeout and just assumed it was the head coach.

For what it's worth the NFL Rules, if these are the NFL rules say:
The Referee shall suspend play while the ball is dead and declare a charged team timeout upon the
request for a timeout by the head coach or any player to any official.


EDIT: I suppose it doesn't specifically say non-head coach coaches can call time outs, but the implication seems to be that they can't.

Section 5 in the
Link (warning PDF)

I'd assume it's either changed since that other incident you mention, or its a distinction no one really cares about (except for the nerd CBS has as their rules expert).

I thought the point the official "expert" made in earlier in the game was a relevant one the announcers had missed. If the pass was a lateral then it didn't really matter whether his arm was moving forward or not, it's a loose ball either way. He was awfully awkward in getting across the idea that a perfectly sideways pass counts as a lateral. Of course, I also flipped the channel before I saw how that play was resolved by the review, so he could have been totally wrong for all I know.
   8033. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: September 14, 2014 at 10:24 PM (#4791895)
I really dislike the rule changes that allowed football and basketball coaches to call timeouts. I preferred it when only the players could do that. In addition to the awful NFL practice of calling a timeout in advance of the game-winning FG try (but often not in time to stop the snap and FG try from happening), I hate that basketball coaches can jump in to avoid potential turnovers on the court through a TO. It's probably been 10 years or more since both sports adopted the change, and I still find them completely unsatisfying.

   8034. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: September 14, 2014 at 10:37 PM (#4791899)
In addition to the awful NFL practice of calling a timeout in advance of the game-winning FG try (but often not in time to stop the snap and FG try from happening)

OTOH once in a while it produces the most satisfying play of all: The coach calls a timeout just as the opposing player is about to miss a field goal, and then with a second try he makes it.
   8035. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: September 14, 2014 at 11:24 PM (#4791911)
3 interceptions for Kaep, and a potential 4th reversed on replay. I was not watching the game, but I saw that the 2 INTs before this one were on 1st down. Those are killers.

Edit: the other INT was on third down, and Kaep was trying to make a play behind in the 4th, so that one was quite forgivable (especially because the defender made a nice play). Kaep also fumbled on 1st down earlier in the game.
   8036. Howie Menckel Posted: September 14, 2014 at 11:37 PM (#4791916)
"OTOH once in a while it produces the most satisfying play of all: The coach calls a timeout just as the opposing player is about to miss a field goal, and then with a second try he makes it."

Agreed, the rule is ridiculous and those who use it are a-holes, and it rarely matters, but when the a=hole loses out precisely for that reason

#priceless
   8037. Meatwad Posted: September 14, 2014 at 11:59 PM (#4791921)
I cant believe the bears won that game.
   8038. zenbitz Posted: September 15, 2014 at 12:17 AM (#4791925)
As near as I can tell, Santa Clara must be Raiders territory. That was a self-destruction worthy of the Silver and Black. Kaepernick was awful, by far his worst game vs. non-Seahawk opponents. The OL wasn't much help, and the defense apparently played OK when it wasn't cheating. But it was cheating a lot. And got caught, a lot.

Going back to the top of the page - it was kind of like what the Niners looked like in pre-season with Gabbert at QB.
   8039. stanmvp48 Posted: September 15, 2014 at 11:55 AM (#4792094)
"And WTF was Denver doing? Why no time out with one minute left in the game? Very lucky KC couldn't get the touchdown with 10 seconds left."


Beats me. Even Phil simms thought that was stupid. Also why did Reid punt on 4th and a foot in the second quarter, near midfield.
   8040. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: September 22, 2014 at 12:34 AM (#4796192)
49ers blew another one after having a large lead. They are still a very good team, but because Arizona and Seattle are also in the NFC West, their chances of making the playoffs are now significantly less than 50%.
   8041. Howie Menckel Posted: September 22, 2014 at 09:11 AM (#4796222)

49ers had a FG blocked with only 9 Cardinals on the field, lol

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/09/arizona-cardinals-blocked-field-goal-nine-men-san-francisco-49ers
   8042. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: September 22, 2014 at 09:26 AM (#4796231)
green bay's offensive line was at full strength yesterday and took a whuppin'.

the green bay defense did well before running out of gas mid-fourth quarter from being on the field pretty much nonstop

and the green bay special teams were also ok

mike mccarthy better figure out some things because his offense was expected to be the team's strength and instead 2 out of 3 games that offense has been grabbed by the scruff of the neck and shook like a beagle puppy who just piddled on the floor.
   8043. Joey B. is counting the days to Trea Turner Posted: September 22, 2014 at 09:32 AM (#4796232)
2012: "OMG OMG RGIII is going to be the best quarterback we ever had in franchise history!"
2014: "Robert who?"
   8044. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: September 22, 2014 at 11:37 AM (#4796330)
green bay's offensive line was at full strength yesterday and took a whuppin'.
the eagles offensive line was obliterated by the end of yesterday's game. LG on injured reserve, RT suspended, LT ejected, C injured, backup RT on injured reserve. they played most of the 4th quarter with 4 backups (including one who was only signed after the start of the season) and the only remaining starter moved to tackle.

the outlook isn't terrible since they've managed to start 3-0. and jason peters will be back this week. this is also the last week of lane johnson's suspension. evan mathis should be healthy sometime in november and there's a chance jason kelce's injury isn't too serious.

this offensive line has been a revolving door through three games. the fact that they've fought through that and are undefeated and have scored the 2nd most points in the league says something interesting about somebody important.
   8045. stanmvp48 Posted: September 22, 2014 at 01:04 PM (#4796409)
The refs totally blew an offsides call in the Denver Seattle game. In fact one guy threw the flag and the other guy talked him out of it. It would have been a first down for Denver but it "forced them to punt" on 4th and one. Even the announcers and the former official they call in said they blew it.
   8046. Kurt Posted: September 22, 2014 at 01:21 PM (#4796415)
Yeah, that missed offsides was ridiculous. The guy almost took the handoff.
   8047. stanmvp48 Posted: September 22, 2014 at 01:34 PM (#4796429)
I think the officials conferences irritate me as much as the reviews. They once were able to make a call w/o a five minute discussion. In this case, the discussion caused them to make the wrong call.
   8048. zenbitz Posted: September 22, 2014 at 03:46 PM (#4796525)
I no longer think the 49ers are a very good team. They are quite bad in the trenches, and their secondary is weak. I think that this game showed that all the the success they have had on offense is actually due to scheme and creative play-calling. They had 2 great drives in the first half because they came out in HURRY UP. This is Harbaugh's 49ers, running hurry up. They also ran a huge number of 5 WR plays and designed QB runs. Once AZ caught on they were toast.

They had one decent 2nd half drive killed by penalties.

Maybe if they can cut back the penalties and get Aldon Smith and Bowman back (and their starting CB) they will be solid on defense again. I think it will be too late, though.

I don't understand how a team can all of a sudden become the most penalized in the league.

   8049. Nasty Nate Posted: September 22, 2014 at 03:56 PM (#4796534)
Any other gamblers like the Bears getting 1 & 1/2 points tonight?
   8050. McCoy Posted: September 22, 2014 at 04:54 PM (#4796592)
The whole what is and isn't a catch thing nowadays just baffles me. Granted it helped me on my fantasy team and all but you practically have to get your tax filings notarized and sent via certified mail all while making the catch in order for something to be called a catch nowadays.
   8051. Ray (CTL) Posted: September 22, 2014 at 05:10 PM (#4796603)
Richard Sherman did not talk to the media after the Seahawks’ loss. Chargers players described Sherman as “exposed” http://ble.ac/ZlSqUs


I noticed that the receiver he ended up covering was the one who caught the game-tying 2-point conversion from Manning yesterday. Though I'm not skilled enough to know whether he was burned on the play. Seems that neither Simms nor Nance knew either, since they didn't mention that he was the defender.

Seattle cut through Denver like a hot knife through butter in OT.
   8052. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: September 22, 2014 at 05:12 PM (#4796608)
The whole what is and isn't a catch thing nowadays just baffles me
The rules have been overly fussy for many years now (20 years at least), and seem to be steadily getting more so. I wonder what the motivation is for the NFL's hesitance to call something a catch. Fewer catch/fumble turnovers?
   8053. McCoy Posted: September 22, 2014 at 08:43 PM (#4796804)
Why do teams call a timeout to avoid the delay of game penalty when it is 3rd and 14?
   8054. McCoy Posted: September 22, 2014 at 08:46 PM (#4796806)
And they get a penalty on the punt making calling the timeout pointless.
   8055. Howie Menckel Posted: September 22, 2014 at 08:54 PM (#4796807)

"Why do teams call a timeout to avoid the delay of game penalty when it is 3rd and 14?"

not SO bad in the first half.
punishable by death in the 3rd qtr of a competitive game, if I had my way.
   8056. McCoy Posted: September 22, 2014 at 08:59 PM (#4796810)
The Bears are notorious for it. There have been games where they won't even get out of the first quarter with timeouts left.
   8057. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: September 22, 2014 at 09:51 PM (#4796839)
Every fan thinks their own team is notorious for it, because every coach and quarterback do it.
   8058. Kurt Posted: September 22, 2014 at 11:35 PM (#4796884)
I noticed that the receiver he ended up covering was the one who caught the game-tying 2-point conversion from Manning yesterday. Though I'm not skilled enough to know whether he was burned on the play. Seems that neither Simms nor Nance knew either, since they didn't mention that he was the defender.


IMO nobody got burned on that play; the receiver (Demariyus Thomas) was blanketed and made a great catch/get both feet in play.
   8059. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: September 23, 2014 at 06:49 PM (#4797307)
Don't know if you guys caught it yet but Bill Simmons went off on a venemous rant on his podcast yesterday calling for Roger Goodell's head, repeatedly calling him a liar and finishing up by daring--his own words--ESPN to so much as say anything to him about it.

There's a pretty good chance this is about to explode spectacularly.
   8060. Rob_Wood Posted: September 23, 2014 at 07:51 PM (#4797344)
in what way will it explode?
   8061. Hot Wheeling American, MS-13 Enthusiast Posted: September 23, 2014 at 08:08 PM (#4797358)
Won't listen to da podcast, but Simmons has been anti-Goodell for years. Usually, like many things, he comes across as a baby.
   8062. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: September 24, 2014 at 12:21 AM (#4797499)
Yes, but Simmons is still an employee of ESPN, whose parent company has a multibazillion dollar contract with the NFL. His rant included a vague threat to "go public" and he said he dares anyone at ESPN to try to punish him for it.

ESPN/ABC is probably smart enough to just say nothing to anyone and let it pass, but you never know.
   8063. puck Posted: September 25, 2014 at 12:16 AM (#4798203)
ESPN/ABC is probably smart enough to just say nothing to anyone and let it pass, but you never know.


I guess they took him up on it.
   8064. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: September 25, 2014 at 12:31 AM (#4798209)
Whoever decided to suspend Simmons (and whoever in the NFL pushed ESPN to do it) is a ####### idiot.
   8065. smileyy Posted: September 25, 2014 at 03:14 AM (#4798240)
Yes, but Simmons is still an employee of ESPN, whose parent company has a multibazillion dollar contract with the NFL. His rant included a vague threat to "go public" and he said he dares anyone at ESPN to try to punish him for it.


His relationship with ESPN has been at times combative. I don't think either party likes each other all that much, but they're able to make a lot of money off of each other.

It'd be a lot easier for Simmons to find someone else to bankroll a Grantland-esque production, than it would be for ESPN to find someone who can do for them what Simmons has.
   8066. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: September 25, 2014 at 06:42 AM (#4798255)
Whoever decided to suspend Simmons (and whoever in the NFL pushed ESPN to do it) is a ####### idiot.


That would of course be Roger Goodell.

It'd be a lot easier for Simmons to find someone else to bankroll a Grantland-esque production, than it would be for ESPN to find someone who can do for them what Simmons has.


I can pretty much guarantee you that all of ESPN's competitors have already held executive meetings on the subject of how much to offer him if he were to become a free agent. Not gonna happen right now, but at this point it seems likely Simmons will let his current contract with ESPN play out and then he'll be gone.
   8067. Joey B. is counting the days to Trea Turner Posted: September 25, 2014 at 10:39 PM (#4799024)
Neon Deion could probably put on pads and cleats and do a better job covering guys than this sorry-ass Redskins secondary. These chumps couldn't cover a mattress.
   8068. Howie Menckel Posted: September 25, 2014 at 11:01 PM (#4799053)

The Redskins, given their talent on both sides of the ball, may be the worst-coached team in the league. Again. A Pop Warner coach wouldn't accept the basic blunders they make across the board.
   8069. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: September 25, 2014 at 11:04 PM (#4799060)
I'd only briefly turned away from the O's - Yanks coverage until a minute ago, but I guess this Deadskins fiasco might quiet the "Kurt Cousins is our savior" line in the DC media for at least a week or two. (smile)
   8070. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: September 28, 2014 at 03:18 PM (#4800447)
No punts yet after 3 quarters in the Chicago/Green Bay game. Two bad interceptions by Cutler are going to be enough to win it for Green Bay. Chicago also managed to screw up the end of the half (clock ran out at the 1 yard line), and on a separate drive were unable to score a TD on a 6 play sequence from the 10 yard line, including 3 plays from the 1. One of the INTs was a terrible decision by Cutler, and the other was a miscommunication with the receiver. Green Bay hasn't been able to slow down Chicago's offense at all, yet they will win big anyway (probably).
   8071. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: September 28, 2014 at 03:25 PM (#4800456)
Green Bay has outscored Chicago 24-0 since the middle of the second quarter. During that stretch, Chicago outgained Green Bay by 31 yards (175 for Chicago, 144 for Green Bay).
   8072. McCoy Posted: September 28, 2014 at 03:34 PM (#4800472)
You need to pull Cutler at this point. The coaching staff also needs to learn clock management as well as the basic rules of challenges.
   8073. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: September 28, 2014 at 03:51 PM (#4800505)
Only one game in NFL history without a punt. I'm guessing Chicago goes three and out here, ruining even a chance for matching that record.
   8074. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: September 28, 2014 at 03:52 PM (#4800507)
aunt

that overlooks the return yards managed on the interceptions
   8075. McCoy Posted: September 28, 2014 at 03:54 PM (#4800509)
Looks like Trestman is pulling a Lovie and giving up on this game. Run? Really?
   8076. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: September 28, 2014 at 03:54 PM (#4800511)
True Harv. I was mostly talking about how Chicago was shooting themselves in the foot repeatedly, and thus blowing their otherwise excellent offensive performance. Green Bay played a very good game overall, but it would have been much closer had Chicago been competent.

Edit: it takes a special "performance" to gain 500 yards, only turn the ball over twice, and still lose by 3 touchdowns.
   8077. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: September 28, 2014 at 03:57 PM (#4800513)
aunt

gb played well on offense and save for the blocked kick did ok on special teams

but the defense was a train wreck today, turnovers or no

i think there are good players on the defense. but they look completely befuddled a third of the plays
   8078. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: September 28, 2014 at 04:01 PM (#4800517)
Final tally: 496 yds of offense for Chicago, 36 minutes of possession. No punts. Lost by 21!

I am very satisfied by this game. I will probably never see another one with no punts by either team. Plus I was rooting for Green Bay anyway.
   8079. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: September 28, 2014 at 04:06 PM (#4800523)
aunt

back in the mid-90's the packers lost to the bears i think 31-17 where green bay moved the ball up and down the field but dante jones had two interception returns for tds for the bears and chicago won

i remember that game because after the game the stocky black guy on espn declared that green bay would never win in the playoffs with a qb like brett favre.
   8080. Commissioner Bud Black Beltre Hillman Fred Posted: September 28, 2014 at 04:11 PM (#4800531)
In TB--PITT, TB threw to the endzone and the receiver was screened by the PITT defender, who never turned around. Is that no longer PI or just a missed call? (I thought the defender had to turn around)

I guess they could have considered it uncatchable as it was a bit low but the receiver got his fingertips on it.

Edit: this was on 2nd down just now
   8081. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: September 28, 2014 at 04:19 PM (#4800536)
The Steelers continue, as they have since the dawn of time, to sit on the ball, grind the clock, punt and rely on their defense with any lead, no matter how small or early. That strategy has of course worked out very well for them over the years, and in general isn't as bad a strategy as I used to think it was. But it really proves problematic when your defense sucks (a reality that, to be fair, the Steelers' coaches as well as their fans are still a long way from accepting).
   8082. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: September 28, 2014 at 04:22 PM (#4800540)
And as I was writing that, their defense indeed blew the game.
   8083. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: September 28, 2014 at 04:24 PM (#4800543)
Harv. Looks like it was probably this game: 30-17. It was one of the only ones lost by Green Bay during that stretch. 466 yds by Green Bay, only 210 by Chicago. 5 turnovers by Green Bay, a fumble return by Daunte Jones for a TD, and two interception returns for TDs, by Jeremy Lincoln and Mark Carrier. Green Bay punted twice and turned it over 5 times total, three interceptions.

Truly a game where GB should have won, but for all the mistakes on offense. But this game today, with only 2 TOs and no punts (and a larger margin of victory), was even more unusual.
   8084. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: September 28, 2014 at 04:28 PM (#4800547)
By the late 2000s Steelers fans regarded Dick LeBeau as quite possibly the second coming of Christ, and that was ridiculous. Now Steelers fans are growing restless and calling for LeBeau's head, which is equally ridiculous. There's this thing called "talent." They used to have a lot of it. Now they have none.

The Steelers are a 3-13ish team with the good fortune of having a very good quarterback, which makes them an 8-8ish team. I feel like they're a team that could improve their fortunes by a win or two if they accepted that their defense sucks and got more aggressive on offense (meaning stop being content to run three times and punt back to the opponent when up by less than 7.) But either way, when Roethlisberger finally reaches the end of the line it's going to get very ugly.
   8085. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: September 28, 2014 at 04:53 PM (#4800573)
pittsburgh stayed on top due somewhat to self awareness

that does not appear to be a strong trait any longer
   8086. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: September 28, 2014 at 04:59 PM (#4800579)
Hey Harv. You were more correct than I gave you credit for.

The return by Lincoln was actually off of an INT by Jones (who handed it to him). I just read a bit more about the game. 402 yds passing by Favre, most in his career to that point.
   8087. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: September 28, 2014 at 05:00 PM (#4800581)
Pittsburgh began to unravel as a franchise right when Dan Rooney passed the throne to his son, which began around 2007-2008 as the elder Rooney got more into politics (he bought the Ambassadorship to Ireland from Obama via campaign financing). Ever since, the Steelers' drafting and/or development has been horrific and now they have almost no NFL-caliber talent anywhere on the field except at quarterback and wide receiver; their salary cap has been horrendously mismanaged as they've refused to retool the team as 30 years' worth of Steelers teams did with great success before them; (in a related story) they've let Ben Roethlisberger have far too much influence in personnel decisions; and there has been behind the scenes drama, most notably embodied by their running Bruce Arians out of town on a rail and replacing him with the vastly inferior Todd Haley.

It's going to take a long time for the general public to come around to realizing that the Steelers are just another mediocre-to-bad franchise now; they'd been the Steelers, the most consistently successful team in pro sports other than possibly the Yankees and Lakers, for 40 years. But it's over now. Roethlisberger keeping their heads above water is making it easier for fans to remain in denial about it, of course, but boy howdy is everything going to burn as soon as he's gone.

Dick LeBeau definitely stuck around a year too long.
   8088. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: September 28, 2014 at 05:50 PM (#4800616)
Philadelphia so far has 3 first downs and 64 yards of offense, but leads 21 - 10 off of a blocked punt for a TD, and interception for another, and a punt return for a 3rd.
   8089. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: September 28, 2014 at 06:18 PM (#4800636)
Like I said, cheapshots are going to happen whether there are goons or not. And frankly, of the real bad cheapshots we've seen over the past few years, most if not all are coming from pretty damn good players, not goons.
that's not exactly fair. those 3 defense/special teams touchdowns mean that their offense got the ball 3 fewer times than san francisco and made it harder to get in a rhythm. i know 'boo/f'n/hoo', but that stuff does matter.
   8090. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: September 28, 2014 at 06:23 PM (#4800639)
i know 'boo/f'n/hoo', but that stuff does matter.
Was this a response to my post? At any rate, Philly has only 3.7 yds per offensive play. Can't win many games that way, rhythm or no. But I didn't think I was saying the Eagles' offense was terrible.

Also, the Eagles had the ball at the beginning and end of the half. They really only had 2 fewer drives but nonetheless were outgained by 150 yds.
   8091. Thok Posted: September 28, 2014 at 06:47 PM (#4800643)
back in the mid-90's the packers lost to the bears i think 31-17 where green bay moved the ball up and down the field but dante jones had two interception returns for tds for the bears and chicago won


A similar game is this Detroit-Dallas game in 1991 (Detroit won by 24 despite gaining something like half the yards on offense Dallas did.) I remember that game because Dallas thought it was a fluke going into the playoff rematch (where they proceeded to be crushed by Detroit again.)
   8092. Commissioner Bud Black Beltre Hillman Fred Posted: September 28, 2014 at 06:53 PM (#4800645)
But I didn't think I was saying the Eagles' offense was terrible.
Yeah, I just read [8088] as an interesting fact, not a judgement on the Iggles.
   8093. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: September 28, 2014 at 06:55 PM (#4800646)
The 49ers currently have triple the time of possession (31 minutes to 10.5). I enjoy unusual games, which is why I am posting about it. If the niners go on to win by 16 it won't have been that interesting in retrospect.
   8094. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: September 28, 2014 at 07:08 PM (#4800650)
Well the shape of the game has now probably had an effect. The 49ers had a 4th and 2 from the Eagles 40, and only tried the hard count rather than go for it, probably at least in part because the Eagles have show nothing on offense. Then, idiotically, they take their 2nd time out (with only a 2 point lead) instead of taking the delay of game, and the punter proceeds to punt it through the end zone.

Time for an Eagles rope-a-dope? If they put together a decent drive now it will serve Harbaugh right?
   8095. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: September 28, 2014 at 07:10 PM (#4800651)
so it does matter if you have your starting offensive linemen

Eagle line looks overmatched
   8096. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: September 28, 2014 at 07:12 PM (#4800652)
why is SF trying to run out the clock?
   8097. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: September 28, 2014 at 07:16 PM (#4800653)
Eagles accepted that penalty? Bizarre.

Edit: didn't the penalty put them back at about the 33? They were still within field goal range afterwards, and the play the 49ers called (a designed run by Kaepernick) was very likely to gain them back a few yards at least. Of course, it went for a first down. What was Kelly thinking?
   8098. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: September 28, 2014 at 07:22 PM (#4800655)
Boy is SF being conservative

   8099. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: September 28, 2014 at 07:25 PM (#4800657)
Apparently, the time of possession record was set a few years ago, at 45:07 by Miami against Indy in 2009. The 49ers are just over 41 minutes currently.

BTW, Indianapolis won that game, 27-23.
   8100. McCoy Posted: September 28, 2014 at 07:25 PM (#4800658)
The Eagles are sort of killing me. I've got Foles and McCoy on my team and neither one of those bastards have really had it going so far this year. Somehow I'm still going to be 4-0 for the season.
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