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OT: NHL is finally back thread

Now that the season has finally started it’s time to break from the NFL thread.

odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: January 21, 2013 at 01:09 PM | 1685 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Cabbage Posted: January 21, 2013 at 11:07 PM (#4352258)
   2. zack Posted: January 21, 2013 at 11:53 PM (#4352296)
Generally pleased with how the Men of Four Feathers look so far.


5-2, 6-4,...is the next game going to be 7-6 or 7-8? The goaltending is obviously what will determine how far the hawks go, and it's already not looking too hot. But they should be at least a 4 seed. Leddy has looked particularly good so far.
   3. The Kentucky Gentleman, Mark Edward Posted: January 22, 2013 at 01:12 AM (#4352341)
I don't want to say that I was happy to see Carcillo leave the first game early with an injury, because of course I never like to see a player get injured. But I will say I'm glad he's not in the lineup; is that a nice way of putting it? Q's insistence on putting Carcillo on the top line is annoying, and I hope the Hawks keep bludgeoning opponents so he has no choice but to keep Carcillo on the 4th line.

I'm not sure what to do about the goalie situation. I'd think a packing including Sharp & Hjalmarsson could get you an elite goaltender, but who do you target? Goalie performance seemingly fluctuates so much.
   4. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: January 22, 2013 at 02:13 AM (#4352359)
Goalies are going to have a rough go all around the league this year for the first month or so as they all get used to nhl speed again
   5. Dylan B Posted: January 22, 2013 at 08:38 AM (#4352381)
I'm not sure what to do about the goalie situation. I'd think a packing including Sharp & Hjalmarsson could get you an elite goaltender


Depends on what you mean as an elite goalie. Myself, I only count Lundqvist, Rinne, Quick and possibly Miller as elite and that package wont get it done for any of those. After that group, you are looking at Halak, Howard, Lethonen, Price and Kipper, and again I don't see that working. Unless Tea Party decides to come back before next season, or they get in on Strombone(before Schneider's play drops even more); not really much out there for possible elite goalies. Only ones I can see available are Bernier, Elliott, or one of the 3 Wild golaies(Backstrom, Harding, Hackett); but really they are all unproven (aside from Backstrom, you know what you are getting there). Might be better to offer a bag of pucks to the Isles to take Dipietro and hope he stays together for the remainder of his 20 year contract.
   6. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: January 22, 2013 at 09:05 AM (#4352383)
Goalies are going to have a rough go all around the league this year for the first month or so as they all get used to nhl speed again


I think the problem for the goalies is the defense pairings are unfamiliar. The games I've seen so far have featured a lot more open play and guys coming in on net freely. It also seems that rebounds aren't being cleared as efficiently as they usually are.
   7. zack Posted: January 22, 2013 at 10:27 AM (#4352415)
The Blackhawks don't need an elite goalie, and I wouldn't give up Sharp to take on any of their contracts anyway. They just need a decent one. I was annoyed they chose Emery over Salak last year for exactly this reason. Someone like Vokoun would have been nice, or I was hoping they could pull a promising prospect like Ben Bishop or Matt Hackett or Richard Bachman.

They reportedly tried to get Bernier several times but the Kings wanted a fortune.
   8. Dylan B Posted: January 22, 2013 at 11:03 AM (#4352430)
Well, looks liek the Hawks just traded for Henrick Karlssen from the Flames for a 7th round pick. Helps their depth a bit, but he wont really push Crawford for the starter role.
   9. Derb Posted: January 22, 2013 at 11:40 AM (#4352454)
Brunner's shoot-out goal yesterday = Awesome!
   10. Ellis Valentine's Bright Future Posted: January 22, 2013 at 02:24 PM (#4352629)
Canucks are saying they may have a deal for Luongo and it is not who we think it is.

Could he be going to Chicago?
   11. zack Posted: January 22, 2013 at 02:30 PM (#4352643)
I doubt it, they can't fit him next year unless they're going to immediately buy him out, and I doubt ownership wants to pay $40 million for a year's worth of goaltending. They've spent $60 of $64 already, and Leddy and Kruger are RFAs, Stalberg and Bickell are UFAs, and they need a backup goaltender. Just doing all of those things in-house would use up the remaining cap room. Unless the Canucks want Hjalmarsson and Crawford for him while throwing in money.

For the same reason, I think the Canucks have to move Luongo. They're also at $60 for next year, but they have to replace their entire 3rd and 4th lines.

Which brings me to the point I came here to ask: do we know the specifics on the "amnesty buyouts" yet? Are they simple, that player no longer counts against the cap?
   12. Chris Pummer Posted: January 22, 2013 at 03:45 PM (#4352703)
Disagree on Carcillo playing on the top line. I think he's a good fit as a physical player there, sort of like Dustin Byfuglien was a few years ago. Anyway, he usually only gets 10 minutes of ice time per game even when healthy, so it's not like he's always on that line.

I would not trade Sharp, much less him and Hjalmarsson, for any of the goaltenders that are currently available. A pickup like Vokoun in the offseason would have been nice, but the Hawks already sort of tried that plan before with Marty Turco, and that didn't go so well. Anyway, Emery is basically here for that role, except he's not as good and costs half as much.

They're probably stuck in goal with what they have. I don't even know that the Hawks could absorb or swap a lousy contract for someone like Luongo.

On the bright side, there's no reason to flip out two games into the season.
   13. DA Baracus Posted: January 22, 2013 at 03:56 PM (#4352711)
Luongo has such a horrible contract. Ten years to go on it.
   14. Dylan B Posted: January 22, 2013 at 04:43 PM (#4352751)
They've spent $60 of $64 already, and Leddy and Kruger are RFAs, Stalberg and Bickell are UFAs, and they need a backup goaltender.


That $60 mil does inlcude Olesz's and Frolik's contracts for next year. That is about 5.5 mil there if those players go back in a trade or 4.5 mil if bought out this summer. If they were to get Strombone, I doubt they would keep Crawford around to be a 2.6 mil backup; so the room looks like it is there.

Or just buy those 2 out and make a run at Nic Backstrome, Jimmy Howard or Mike Smith in the offseason.

Luongo has such a horrible contract. Ten years to go on it.


Funny thing is, his contract is over only a year before Dipietro's and only 800,000 more per year. Talk about albatros deals.
   15. Langer Monk Posted: January 22, 2013 at 05:23 PM (#4352813)
Which brings me to the point I came here to ask: do we know the specifics on the "amnesty buyouts" yet? Are they simple, that player no longer counts against the cap?


To my knowledge - the buyout doesn't count against a team's cap, but whatever that amount was is included in the player's share of the Hockey Related Revenue. (Which I think comes into play in the whole escrow thing at the end of a season).

Edit: Capgeek.com seems to indicate it's a whole hell of a lot more complicated than that. I don't the CBA's even been finished yet, so there may not be a good answer yet for us.
   16. steagles Posted: January 22, 2013 at 06:37 PM (#4352921)
the flyers have changed their lines for today's game agaisnt the devils. apparently they should look something like:

hartnell - giroux - voracek
talbot - laughton - simmonds
fedotenko - couturier - read
mcgynn - schenn - wellwood

i do not really like anything about that. the three worst players on the roster are probably mcgynn, fedotenko, and wellwood, and i would have really preferred those three being hidden on the fourth line, rather than dispersed alongside schenn and couturier. i guess the thinking behind putting mcgynn on schenn's wing is that they played together in the AHL prior to the end of the lockout, but with the team struggling, i'd think the smart move is to stack your top three lines and then just hope the 4th line can give you 5-10 minutes without getting scored on.

my gut feeling is that the flyers will wake up tomorrow 0-3, but i'm not really confident in that being accurate.
   17. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: January 22, 2013 at 07:13 PM (#4352947)
The Flyers need a goalie. Their #1 sucks.
   18. Langer Monk Posted: January 22, 2013 at 08:14 PM (#4352981)
The Flyers need a goalie. Their #1 sucks.


Being a Devils fan, and believing the Flyers' problems are lack of scoring depth and questionable defense, I wholeheartedly endorse this plan.
   19. steagles Posted: January 22, 2013 at 08:26 PM (#4352986)
The Flyers need a goalie. Their #1 sucks.
that's not really the issue at the moment.

the flyers have given up 8 goals, but 2 have been empty netters and another 4 have been on the PP. bryz hasn't been great, but he's played miles ahead of where he was last year.
   20. DA Baracus Posted: January 22, 2013 at 08:36 PM (#4352991)
Plenty of great seats still available for the Devils home opener.
   21. Chris Pummer Posted: January 22, 2013 at 10:35 PM (#4353032)
The problem with the Flyers doesn't seem like it's Bryzgalov in goal. It's that they convinced themselves they had such a hole at goalie that they shipped out Jeff Carter and Mike Richards so they could sign Bryzgalov to a huge contract. And yea, now the lack of scoring depth.
   22. steagles Posted: January 22, 2013 at 10:49 PM (#4353034)
The problem with the Flyers doesn't seem like it's Bryzgalov in goal. It's that they convinced themselves they had such a hole at goalie that they shipped out Jeff Carter and Mike Richards so they could sign Bryzgalov to a huge contract. And yea, now the lack of scoring depth.
it's hard to say those trades were great after seeing carter and richards hoist the cup, but the flyers did net voracek, schenn, simmonds, and couturier out of that trade, in addition to gaining the cap space to sign bryz.

and it's not like carter and richards were even the best players on the kings. they were firmly behind kopitar, brown, doughty, and quick in terms of playoff contributions, as good as giroux is, the flyers didn't have anywhere near as much talent.
   23. Squash Posted: January 22, 2013 at 11:48 PM (#4353060)
Wow Brad Stuart is back on the Sharks? Does any league see more roster turnover than the NHL?
   24. Langer Monk Posted: January 22, 2013 at 11:51 PM (#4353061)
Well, they said Edmonton would be exciting to watch - it's 6-1. Sharks. After 1 period.
   25. Chris Pummer Posted: January 23, 2013 at 12:12 AM (#4353068)
it's hard to say those trades were great after seeing carter and richards hoist the cup, but the flyers did net voracek, schenn, simmonds, and couturier out of that trade, in addition to gaining the cap space to sign bryz.

and it's not like carter and richards were even the best players on the kings. they were firmly behind kopitar, brown, doughty, and quick in terms of playoff contributions, as good as giroux is, the flyers didn't have anywhere near as much talent.


Sure. They got some good pieces back and could sign Bryzgalov, but here we are a year later complaining about how lousy Bryz is. I think at best the Flyers spun their wheels.
   26. zack Posted: January 23, 2013 at 12:15 AM (#4353071)
Goddammit Blackhawks, this is hockey not mario kart. You don't have to let the other team back into every game; there is no blue shell.

On the other hand, only team with 6 points is nice.
   27. DA Baracus Posted: January 23, 2013 at 12:22 AM (#4353075)
and it's not like carter and richards were even the best players on the kings. they were firmly behind kopitar, brown, doughty, and quick in terms of playoff contributions, as good as giroux is, the flyers didn't have anywhere near as much talent.


The Kings were one of the worst scoring teams in the league until they added Carter.
   28. zack Posted: January 23, 2013 at 10:26 AM (#4353173)
Here's a look at the design process for the "new" Penguins logos in 1992.

The penis jersey is of course the best.
   29. Langer Monk Posted: January 23, 2013 at 10:27 AM (#4353176)
   30. HMS Moses Taylor Posted: January 23, 2013 at 12:09 PM (#4353277)
Goddammit Blackhawks, this is hockey not mario kart. You don't have to let the other team back into every game; there is no blue shell.

Heh, nice way to put it. I've been pleasantly impressed with Crawford so far, and he's the biggest weakness on the team (come playoff time). If he can stay passable like this...
   31. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: January 24, 2013 at 12:45 AM (#4353824)
The Leafs signed Joffrey Lupul to a 5 year extension earlier this week worth 26 million. He broke his arm today and is probably out for the season. Of course.

The Leafs have played well so far but they often start hot and cool down. Can't trust them.
   32. zack Posted: January 24, 2013 at 11:17 AM (#4353959)
Well, they better have planned for Lupul to miss lots of time, although you wouldn't expect it so early. Plus...it's Joffrey Lupul.

Also, being a fan of the Mets and Leafs...ouch (as a Mets fan). Are you also a big Knicks and Redskins fan?
   33. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: January 24, 2013 at 11:52 AM (#4353997)
Plus...it's Joffrey Lupul.


He was really good last year and the time he has missed have been unusual injuries. He broke his arm because he got hit by a Phaneuf slap shot.

Also, being a fan of the Mets and Leafs...ouch (as a Mets fan). Are you also a big Knicks and Redskins fan?

I am 49ers fan so things were bad before Harbaugh. I follow basketball but don't really have a team that I root for other than rooting against the Spurs, Lakers, and Celtics. I've been rooting for LeBron to win his first title so that the stupid talk about him being a choker would stop.
   34. steagles Posted: January 24, 2013 at 05:07 PM (#4354345)
the flyers are playing the rangers tonight. the flyers went 0-6 against the rangers last season. briere, hartnell, and schenn are all out of the lineup for tonight's rangers game.


jesus this is gonna be a bloodbath.
   35. Langer Monk Posted: January 24, 2013 at 05:28 PM (#4354362)
At least the Rags played last night. Sweep the leg.
   36. steagles Posted: January 24, 2013 at 09:10 PM (#4354505)
the flyers have apparently signed mike knuble. hopefully he has something left in the tank. best case scenario is he helps them win enough games to sneak into the playoffs and then they can put something like this on the ice when they get there:

hartnell - giroux - voracek
read - briere - schenn
talbot - couturier - simmonds
rinaldo - laughton - mcginn

i really want that 4th line to get together because i think it really helps a team to have a 4th line that's not just an energy line but a real crash line. i don't have a whole lot against wellwood or zolnierczyk, but 10 times out of 10, i'll take some physical bangers over them.


anyway, they outplayed the rangers by leaps and bounds in the 1st period, but couldn't score a goal, so they're even going into the 2nd period. and the lack of a goal also leaves them still without a goal on the season in the first period.
   37. steagles Posted: January 24, 2013 at 09:17 PM (#4354508)
oh, and i really want to like tom sestito, but i can't help but feel that he's going to pass out from exhaustion any time he's caught on the ice for more than 15 consecutive seconds. i don't even think that has anything to do with the lockout, either. i think he's just not capable of doing it.
   38. Langer Monk Posted: January 24, 2013 at 09:45 PM (#4354534)
That's a fantastic jacket, Weeksie.
   39. Langer Monk Posted: January 24, 2013 at 09:52 PM (#4354541)
Meanwhile, the Caps are an absolute train wreck - 14 goals in just 8 periods.
   40. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: January 25, 2013 at 12:11 AM (#4354630)
Woo hawks 8 points now...
   41. zack Posted: January 25, 2013 at 12:15 AM (#4354636)
That was a pretty nutso finish to the 'hawks game. That final play was gorgeous.

3 PP goals in one game, that's like a months total from last season! And the final shot count was 41-23.
   42. zack Posted: January 25, 2013 at 01:19 AM (#4354660)
Ladislav Smid had quite the boxscore for the Oilers tonight, all in the first period:

3:47 Ladislav Smid: 2 Minutes for Cross checking Dustin Brown
7:09 Ladislav Smid: 2 Minutes for Delaying Game - Smothering Puck
9:54 Ladislav Smid: 2 Minutes for Instigator Jordan Nolan (Served by Teemu Hartikainen)
9:54 Ladislav Smid: 2 Minutes for Instigator - Face Shield Jordan Nolan (Served by Teemu Hartikainen)
9:54 Ladislav Smid: 5 Minute Major for Fighting Jordan Nolan
9:54 Ladislav Smid: 10 Minute Misconduct

And the Kings went 0 for 4 on the resulting PPs.
   43. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: January 25, 2013 at 02:08 AM (#4354676)
I hope you saw that game through, zack. Yakupov tied it with four+ seconds left by batting the puck out of mid-air and proceeded to do a Theo Fleury slide half the length of the ice. It was brilliant.
   44. Shredder Posted: January 25, 2013 at 02:11 AM (#4354678)
And the Kings went 0 for 4 on the resulting PPs.
The Kings that are playing right now are absolutely terrible. They look like a team that wanted to win a cup, did it, and now don't really care what happens. They lost the game on a dumb penalty because Mike Richards didn't give a #### about skating to the bench. I'd not be at all surprised to see them miss the playoffs, by a lot.
   45. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: January 25, 2013 at 02:37 AM (#4354684)
Both Nazem Kadri and Nail Yakupov are off to pretty good starts. This is interesting because they have both identified themselves as being Muslims. There have been a few Muslim players in the NHL before but they haven't really established themselves as good players.

Justin Abdelkader's grandfather may have been Muslim but I don't think he identifies himself as such.
   46.     Hey Gurl Posted: January 25, 2013 at 03:08 AM (#4354686)
I hope you saw that game through, zack. Yakupov tied it with four+ seconds left by batting the puck out of mid-air and proceeded to do a Theo Fleury slide half the length of the ice. It was brilliant.


My favorite part of it was after his slide he remembered he played for the Oilers and proceeded to fall face first and cry.
   47. Copronymus Posted: January 25, 2013 at 04:07 PM (#4355048)
3 PP goals in one game, that's like a months total from last season! And the final shot count was 41-23.


The power play's been producing, but I don't know that I think it's been significantly better than last year, just luckier. Sharp's goal came after a minute and a half of depressing failure to even get into the zone. They look good once they get set up, but that only happens half the time.

Ladislav Smid had quite the boxscore for the Oilers tonight, all in the first period:


That game had a whole bunch of weird penalties, from Smid's Smothering Puck and Instigator - Face Shield to a Faceoff Violation minor. Plus multiple Too Many Men on the Ices and a 4 minute High Sticking. A bonanza for rulebook nerds.
   48. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: January 27, 2013 at 10:40 PM (#4356266)
6-0

A lot of work still needs to be done on the pp and pk units but cant complain about the start of the season
   49. MHS Posted: January 27, 2013 at 11:08 PM (#4356278)
Lupul... he was really good last year


The team allowed more even strength shots than they took when he was on the ice. That's not a realy good player reardless of whatever strengths he has.
   50. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: January 27, 2013 at 11:50 PM (#4356289)
Lupul had a plus/minus of +1 for a team that allowed 33 more goals than it scored. His primary linemates were Kessel and Bozak, a combined -17. Lupul was a pretty good player playing for a bad team with poor goaltending.

The team allowed more even strength shots than they took when he was on the ice. That's not a realy good player reardless of whatever strengths he has.

I think that's a poor way to evaluate players.
   51. MHS Posted: January 28, 2013 at 08:10 AM (#4356413)
My statement was more definite than I intended. The point I was trying to raise was around the value of Lupul. Their has been quite a bit written about it over the last year.

I think that's a poor way to evaluate players.


The hockey analyst community has moved away from goal based metrics to shot based metrics to a large degree. The advantages of a shot based metric is:
- larger N. (particularly in include missed and blocked shots)
- eliminates the impact of goaltending.
- better future correlation than goal ratio

It does lose some pecision particularly in terms of players who generate higher quality shots, however, on a seasonal basis most think that is overcome by the larger n, additionally, their is readily available shot based metrics that adjust for various contexts. Shot based metrics right now are the best measure of puck possession available.

This is a good summary:
http://www.fearthefin.com/2012/8/10/3232773/non-traditional-metrics-glossary-corsi

In re to Lupul, even if you through the advanced metrics out play by play analysis indicates he wasn't driving the play on his line:

http://theleafsnation.com/2012/3/5/who-made-who-kessel-and-lupul






   52. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: February 02, 2013 at 01:35 AM (#4360542)
through 8 games, the hawks have yet to lose in regulation.... looks like game 8 will go to a shoot out
   53. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: February 02, 2013 at 01:48 AM (#4360550)
hawks fall in a shoot out again go to 6-0-2. and 14 points. I wlll take it, shows they have better goal tending and defense. just need to get the offense going full steam
   54. zack Posted: February 02, 2013 at 02:12 AM (#4360552)
They looked pretty terrible early, but got stronger as the game went on. Hopefully the Bolland injury isn't serious, 'cause it looked bad.

That check by Backes in the STL-DET game that got him a misconduct might not have been a hit to the head, but it was a textbook late hit.
   55. steagles Posted: February 06, 2013 at 12:06 AM (#4363593)
oh, and i really want to like tom sestito, but i can't help but feel that he's going to pass out from exhaustion any time he's caught on the ice for more than 15 consecutive seconds. i don't even think that has anything to do with the lockout, either. i think he's just not capable of doing it.
and right after i say it, the goon scores the only two flyers goals in a 2-1 win over the highest scoring team in the NHL. bryz played out of his ####### mind, rinaldo beat some guy up so badly that when he was asked what day it was, he said "purple". the forecheck was outstanding, but i still can't help but feel that the team just isn't talented enough. they've started to shore up some of the schematic issues, but i look at tamp and they have stamkos, st louis, and lecavalier, and i look at new york and they have nash, gaborik, richards and callahan, and i look at boston and they have kreijci and lucic and seguin, and then i look at the flyers and i just do not see the same depth of top tier talent.


when i look at the best things about the first 10 games of this season, i'm looking at kurtis foster and bruno gervais not being horrendous, i'm looking at tye mcginn having come out of nowhere to earn his minutes on the top line, and i'm looking at ilya bryzgalov playing out of his gourd, but doing it on a team that can't score, whereas if he'd have played like this last year, he might have won a conn smythe.


   56. DA Baracus Posted: February 06, 2013 at 12:09 AM (#4363596)
Gervais was directly responsible for the goal against tonight. Absolutely boneheaded play by him.
   57. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: February 06, 2013 at 02:53 PM (#4364057)
I wonder how many points gets you into the playoffs this year, it has to be around 50 right? i cant see it being higher then that with on 96 possible points this year
   58. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: February 06, 2013 at 02:59 PM (#4364075)
12-0-4 is the all time best start (06-07 ducks) with out a regulation loss, hawks are 8-0-2 they could get there...
   59. Copronymus Posted: February 06, 2013 at 03:15 PM (#4364114)
wonder how many points gets you into the playoffs this year, it has to be around 50 right? i cant see it being higher then that with on 96 possible points this year


Based on the Caps' pace last year, it'd be 53. If the short season means more teams play for overtime and 1 guaranteed point, it might be more like 55 or something.

And speaking of the Hawks, I hope Kane's scoring and the undefeated streak doesn't convince Q that the Sharp-Bolland-Kane line is anything other than a disaster. It does nothing well and neutralizes both their best pure offensive player and their best defensive forward. Knowing Q, it probably wouldn't last even if it was a great line, but it's frustrating to watch for now.
   60. DA Baracus Posted: February 06, 2013 at 03:22 PM (#4364131)
I wonder how many points gets you into the playoffs this year, it has to be around 50 right? i cant see it being higher then that with on 96 possible points this year


In 94-95 50 was pretty much the threshold. But the inflated point totals of the shootout push it a little higher. I agree that 55 is more like it.
   61. zack Posted: February 06, 2013 at 06:24 PM (#4364487)

And speaking of the Hawks, I hope Kane's scoring and the undefeated streak doesn't convince Q that the Sharp-Bolland-Kane line is anything other than a disaster. It does nothing well and neutralizes both their best pure offensive player and their best defensive forward. Knowing Q, it probably wouldn't last even if it was a great line, but it's frustrating to watch for now.


They have been amazingly unproductive given the talent level. Their corsi numbers are horrific, in double digit negatives despite very favorable zone starts.

Which is funny to complain about when Kane is 3rd in the league in points. But he's mostly been scoring when not with his regular linemates, and they've been responsible for a big chunk of the goals against.
   62. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: February 08, 2013 at 01:27 AM (#4365506)
2 more points, and fighting Torres got out of the way quickly, allowing the beatdown to begin
   63. zack Posted: February 08, 2013 at 10:31 AM (#4365572)
From NHL.com's sidebar:

WATCH: Sideline reporter hit in face by puck

I mean, I realize that they just put that WATCH: before videos, but sheesh. If they're gonna have headlines like that it should be WATCH: Man gets hit in groin with puck.
   64. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: February 10, 2013 at 11:39 PM (#4366847)
12-0-2! 12-0-4 is the best atart with out a regulation loss. Just gotta keep up.
   65. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: February 10, 2013 at 11:56 PM (#4366851)
Oops 10-0-2
   66. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: February 11, 2013 at 10:04 PM (#4367465)
The Leafs are unlucky. They are 7-5 and about to go to 8-5 but it looks James Reimer is going to be out for a significant time period with a leg injury. Reimer has played at the level of a number 1 goalie when he's been healthy so far in the NHL and the Leafs are a better team when they have a legit #1. This could be disastrous.
   67. Eric P. Posted: February 14, 2013 at 03:03 AM (#4369322)
Oh, hey, Erik Karlsson got his achilles tendon cut by a skate blade tonight. Neat. Please excuse me while I go into the other room to weep and throw things and curse God.
   68. Langer Monk Posted: February 14, 2013 at 11:51 AM (#4369508)
Yeah, don't watch that slow motion replay. Horrible.
   69. steagles Posted: February 14, 2013 at 05:05 PM (#4369849)
Oh, hey, Erik Karlsson got his achilles tendon cut by a skate blade tonight. Neat. Please excuse me while I go into the other room to weep and throw things and curse God.
Yeah, don't watch that slow motion replay. Horrible.

yeah, that was matt cooke. he gets no benefit of the doubt there. i'm sure he'll be suspended for a whole 2 games for doing it, but he should not ever step on NHL ice again.

   70. zack Posted: February 14, 2013 at 05:34 PM (#4369876)
If he did it on purpose, I'm impressed. That takes practice. So I doubt it was on purpose, but his leg should have never been up in the air anyway. I suppose he could just be that off balance, but at best he didn't make any effort to not knee Karlsson. I think he should get a game off for recklessness, though the whinging from the Penguins will be unbearable.
   71. Langer Monk Posted: February 14, 2013 at 06:53 PM (#4369959)
If he did it on purpose, I'm impressed.


It would astound me if that was purposeful. I can't stand the Pens or Cooke either, but I can't see how it's anything worse than reckless.
   72. Eric P. Posted: February 14, 2013 at 08:15 PM (#4369990)
Yeah, Cooke's a dick but there's no way he did that on purpose. Although it sure as hell looked like the only reason his skate was off the ice was because he was trying to slew foot Karlsson.
   73. Langer Monk Posted: February 15, 2013 at 01:37 PM (#4370299)
I couldn't load the video, but apparently Aaron Ward said on TSN that players do that to pin the player against the boards. It's strange, but obviously I'll take his word on it.

The interesting thing now is whether they will increase or mandate use of kevlar in the socks.
   74. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: February 15, 2013 at 10:09 PM (#4370531)
Wtf towes just got in a fight with thorton. No sound at the bar so I dont know why.
   75. Langer Monk Posted: February 15, 2013 at 10:28 PM (#4370540)
I imagine this was a particularly demoralizing defeat for the Flyers.
   76. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: February 15, 2013 at 11:33 PM (#4370555)
Yeah, Cooke's a dick but there's no way he did that on purpose. Although it sure as hell looked like the only reason his skate was off the ice was because he was trying to slew foot Karlsson.


I agree. I've watched the replay a couple dozen times, and I can't wrap my mind around how that wasn't a dirty play by Cooke. I doubt he was trying to cut Karlsson's achilles--I don't think Cooke is skilled enough to pull that precise a maneuver off--but it doesn't look to me like he was merely off balance. He picked his foot up and brought it down. I watch players pin players against the boards all the time, and Cooke was doing more than that.

I have to hand it to Matt Cooke though. He puts the artistry in cheap shots, getting away with one even while all eyes are watching him.
   77. Ebessan Posted: February 16, 2013 at 01:01 AM (#4370575)
Will Laviolette ever wear out his welcome with the Sniders?
   78. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: February 16, 2013 at 01:31 AM (#4370583)
sens owner seems to want him out of the league. either way seems to be a bad play all around
   79. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: February 16, 2013 at 11:56 AM (#4370655)
The Senators' owner is kind of a notorious blowhard, though.
   80. zack Posted: February 17, 2013 at 02:25 AM (#4370925)
Wtf towes just got in a fight with thorton. No sound at the bar so I dont know why.


Probably because Toews hates Thorton, kind of like how he hates Backes. A lot of people suspect Thorton was who concussed Toews last year.
   81. DA Baracus Posted: February 17, 2013 at 11:04 AM (#4370962)
Will Laviolette ever wear out his welcome with the Sniders?


Laviolette has his faults but the front office is the much larger problem. So they'll fire Lavy instead of Holmgren because they're stupid.
   82. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: February 18, 2013 at 11:33 PM (#4371635)
It looks like the Leafs have a goalie controversy on their hands and not the bad kind that they are used to. James Riemer was playing well when he got injured and Ben Scrivens has been spectacular since taking over the reins. Scrivens got his second straight shutout tonight. The Leafs have gotten some excellent goaltending so far this year.
   83. Ebessan Posted: February 19, 2013 at 01:10 AM (#4371665)
Laviolette has his faults but the front office is the much larger problem. So they'll fire Lavy instead of Holmgren because they're stupid.

Oh, no way. Richards, Carter, and van Riemsdyk are all gone because of Laviolette. I don't think that Holmgren has been the one steering the ship since the Cup run in 2010.
   84. DA Baracus Posted: February 19, 2013 at 01:19 AM (#4371668)
Richards, Carter, and van Riemsdyk are all gone because of Laviolette.


No they're not.

I don't think that Holmgren has been the one steering the ship since the Cup run in 2010.


Snider's been, but Holmgren has done nothing to warrant keeping his job.
   85. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: February 19, 2013 at 11:01 PM (#4372324)
The hawks are just amazing this year. I can't recall a team playing this well for this long. ( I know the ducks did it a few years ago but still the hawks if the score holds will go 13-0-3 where as the ducks went 12-0-4
   86. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: February 19, 2013 at 11:34 PM (#4372335)
ah a Canuck player with a dirty play? theres a shock. It really sucks to see Hossa get a head shot (elbow not leaping check)
   87. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: February 19, 2013 at 11:40 PM (#4372340)
aw Hansen wont fight thats sad to see. At least step up and pay for that hit
   88. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: February 20, 2013 at 12:20 AM (#4372360)
Damn its going to a shoot out.....still got the point and tied the recond....the shoot out win gives them record breaking win...
   89. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: February 20, 2013 at 12:28 AM (#4372363)
Hawks win!!!
   90. zack Posted: February 21, 2013 at 10:43 AM (#4373263)
Pour one out for Lindy. It was probably time for a change, just because all coaches have expiration dates, but I liked having one guy in the league with some continuity.

And if they're gonna get rid of him, they should have done it in the offseason, and Darcy Tucker should ride shotgun.
   91. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: February 23, 2013 at 12:00 AM (#4374453)
someone on wikipedia already gave the blackhawks the record for most games to start the season with out a regulation loss
   92. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: February 23, 2013 at 12:10 AM (#4374458)
This team is amazing 14-0-3!
   93. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: February 25, 2013 at 01:02 PM (#4375647)
15-0-3! Once again this team is a lot of fun to watch. Going to be a weird feeling when they finally do lose a game.
   94. zack Posted: February 25, 2013 at 01:27 PM (#4375669)
So apparently the conference re-alignment thing is on again.

Using the previous re-alignment list, there are three changes (the names were made up by me):

Snowbird Conference (7 8 teams): Boston, Buffalo, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Tampa, Florida, Detroit

NYC-Based-Rivalry-Maintenance Conference (7 8 teams): NY Islanders, NY Rangers, NJ Devils, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, Washington, Carolina, Columbus

Norris Conference (8 7 teams): Chicago, Detroit, St. Louis, Minnesota, Winnipeg, Dallas, Nashville, Columbus, Colorado

Latenight Conference (8 7 teams): San Jose, Anaheim, Los Angeles, Phoenix, Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton, Colorado

Pretty much the same, except that the whiner's in Detroit and Columbus both get their way, and it makes future re-alignment (like PHX->YQB much more difficult).

As a Blackhawks fan, I hate it for many reasons:
-It destroys the Detroit-Chicago rivalry, which is both ancient and both teams have been excellent recently. IMO, DET-CHI games are the best hockey games of the last few years, since both teams are fast and skilled and low on shenanigans.
-The playoffs will be mind-numbing and talent-negating, with MORE THAN HALF of the teams in the 7-team conferences making the playoffs, and then having to play each other for two full rounds. I groan at the idea of playing the same teams over and over, not as the result of skill but just systematically.
-The above makes the regular season meaningless in some of the conferences.
-The odd-sized conferences are still there and nothing has been resolved, only now the conferences are even more unbalanced. The east-coast bias will be even more in effect.
-The Blackhawks now have a HUGE competitive advantage in their conference.
   95. Ebessan Posted: February 25, 2013 at 01:40 PM (#4375675)
No they're not.

The first two are the Dry Island casualties, and Laviolette could find a reason to criticize JVR over anything. Holmgren has done what he can with getting Voracek (who would be third in the league in scoring without his dreadful first week and a half) and Simmonds.
   96. zack Posted: February 25, 2013 at 01:49 PM (#4375682)
On that last point, by throwing out any consideration other than geography, the conferences will be systematically unbalanced. I'd like to use market size, but I don't know of a source that has both the US and Canadian markets with a single definition. So here's payroll from capgeek:
Conference             Teams             Total 2-year spendingAverage of 2-year     Average of this year   S.Dof 2-year
Snowbird               8                 
$975.2               $61.0                 $61.8                  $4.2
NYC                    8                 
$968.3               $60.5                 $60.8                  $5.9
Norris                 7                 
$781.6               $55.8                 $58.2                  $5.0
Latenight              7                 
$855.5               $61.1                 $60.9                  $5.1 


And my point about the Blackhawks, other than Chicago, the entire conference is small markets. The only other team with a market more than half as big as Chicago is Dallas, who have a pauper owner. The only big-spending team is Minnesota, and that's a new thing. Winnipeg is CANADIAN!!1! but has an AHL arena and a tiny market.
Team                   2-year Average    This year            Last year             TV Homes (late 2011)
Chicago Blackhawks »   $63.6             $67.0                $60.2                 3,493,480
Colorado Avalanche »   
$51.2             $53.0                $49.4                 1,548,570
Dallas Stars »         
$53.6             $57.3                $49.9                 2,571,310
Minnesota Wild »       
$62.4             $68.9                $55.8                 1,721,940
Nashville Predators »  
$53.2             $54.1                $52.2                 1,024,560
St
Louis Blues »      $52.3             $49.6                $54.9                 1,253,920
Winnipeg Jets »        
$54.6             $57.5                $51.8 


   97. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: February 25, 2013 at 02:02 PM (#4375689)
The biggest thing that I think needs to change there is to move one of Columbus/Detroit back to the Norris. In part because that gives you a 15/15 league split rather than 16/14. I agree with you that Detroit/Chicago is a rivalry that really shouldn't be broken up. That's a disappointing one to lose.

I like the 4 teams per conference playing through like they did in the 80s. Familiarity breeds contempt and I think that's one of the things that creates a real hatred and a fun rivalry.
   98. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: February 25, 2013 at 03:03 PM (#4375747)
How did Nashville stay in the west? seems like a team fit for the east with tampa and florda etc. why not switch them with Detroit?
   99. zack Posted: February 25, 2013 at 04:14 PM (#4375794)
How did Nashville stay in the west? seems like a team fit for the east with tampa and florda etc. why not switch them with Detroit?

Because the entire thing is a shell game? If it were a real geographic re-alignment, the Canadian teams wouldn't be thrown together with the Florida teams and Detroit would be in the Central. Instead, it's a short-sighted move based on quieting some whiny owners (Mike Illitch, Stinger the Blue Jacket) and maximizing US TV ratings (Rangers, Penguins, Flyers, Capitals).

The reason the NHL would give is that Nashville is CST.
   100. steagles Posted: February 25, 2013 at 04:15 PM (#4375797)
-The odd-sized conferences are still there and nothing has been resolved, only now the conferences are even more unbalanced. The east-coast bias will be even more in effect.
what if two of the teams were contracted? does the NHL really need teams in carolina, phoenix, tampa bay, and nashville? they've been talking about contraction for a while, but now that the CBA has been resolved, if it's ever going to be done, now would be the time.

and w/r/t the conferences, my preference would be for something like this:

(CHI, DET, MIN, BUF, WPG, TOR, MTL, OTT) - you get 4 of the original 6 plus 4 canadian teams in the same group.
(PIT, PHI, NYR, NYI, NJD, BOS, WAS) - you keep the atlantic division together and add washington and boston which gives you a potentially stacked BOS/PHI/NY/WAS rivalry (one that no other sport has, btw)
(FLA, TB, CAR, NSH, DAL, STL, CLB) - out of sight out of mind
(LAK, ANA, COL, CGY, VAN, EDM, SJ, PHX) - you get 3 canadian teams, plus the southwest, plus colorado.

and then, when the playoffs come, i think you ditch any divisional/conference alignment and just put the teams in one big pot where 1 plays 16, 2 plays 15, and so on.

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