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   1301. zonk Posted: June 24, 2013 at 11:01 PM (#4477215)
I guess Crawford gets dinged for that sloppy game 5 and a chunk of the Detroit series.

Kane's not a bad choice, but I think I'd have gone with Crawford...
   1302. zack Posted: June 24, 2013 at 11:03 PM (#4477216)
Bolland still doesn't know how to smile.

Bickell's happy cause he actually gets his name on this one.
   1303. zonk Posted: June 24, 2013 at 11:03 PM (#4477217)
Kane apparently agrees with zack and myself...
   1304. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: June 24, 2013 at 11:04 PM (#4477218)
The cup celebrations on the road always feel like bad sportsmanship. Go celebrate in the locker room and leave the poor fans alone!
   1305. zack Posted: June 24, 2013 at 11:05 PM (#4477219)
WJ: Something like 5 of the last 6 cups have been won on the road, if you can't be happy for them then you can leave.
   1306. zonk Posted: June 24, 2013 at 11:06 PM (#4477221)
tradition + everyone wants a photo of themselves raising the cup after the game
   1307. Snowboy Posted: June 24, 2013 at 11:07 PM (#4477222)
Bolland's voice was cracking when CBC interviewed him, which was before the trophies came out.

Kane and Bolland both played junior hockey for London Knights (though not as same time.)
   1308. zack Posted: June 24, 2013 at 11:08 PM (#4477223)
Is Shaw skating around, bleeding from the face, yelling \"####### GOD DAMN ####### A"?
   1309. zonk Posted: June 24, 2013 at 11:08 PM (#4477224)
and THERE's an F bomb!
   1310. Langer Monk Posted: June 24, 2013 at 11:08 PM (#4477225)
Is Shaw skating around, bleeding from the face, yelling \"####### GOD DAMN ####### A"?


How I love this game.
   1311. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: June 24, 2013 at 11:11 PM (#4477228)
That just ####### killed me.

All glory to the Hawks, you were the better team. But holy #### that was a gut punch that I haven't felt since the 2009 Superbowl vs the Giants.

eta: Also, #### the Irish girls who walked into the bar with 5 minutes left and didn't have a ####### clue what was going on. #### you, go back to ####### Ireland, you goddamned Micks.*

* I'm >50% Irish, so I'm invoking M word privilages. Also, I'm about to get really, really drunk and try to forget the last 2 minutes of that game.
   1312. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: June 24, 2013 at 11:13 PM (#4477229)
2009 Superbowl vs the Giants.

My favorite Haiku...

Manning lobs it.
Burress alone.
Touchdown New York.
   1313. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: June 24, 2013 at 11:14 PM (#4477230)
I still name my fantasy football teams "18 and D'oh".

Still congrats to the Hawks, they earned this. I really, really wanted 7 games, and it kills me to have lost like this, but I really can't complain considering the better team won.
   1314. Langer Monk Posted: June 24, 2013 at 11:14 PM (#4477231)
As a Devils fan, it reminded me of this game. Truly indescribable.
   1315. zack Posted: June 24, 2013 at 11:14 PM (#4477232)
My girlfriend is an audiologist and approves of the hearing protection for babies at playoff celebrations trend (started I think by Drew Brees).

I can't believe this series didn't go 7.
   1316. Bull Pain Posted: June 24, 2013 at 11:16 PM (#4477235)
As if it wasn't obvious, Boston fans >>> Philly fans in post-tough Game 6 defeat classiness.
   1317. zack Posted: June 24, 2013 at 11:16 PM (#4477236)
I do not approve of these Black Aces touching the cup. You need to win the next one!

I do approve of this revisionist history of the media regarding Toews. They would have murdered him if they had lost.
   1318. zonk Posted: June 24, 2013 at 11:17 PM (#4477237)
It's been a fun playoffs generally, gents --

wish we had another one left to play, but I won't lie -- the cup makes for a damn fine consolation if it's got to be the end.
   1319. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: June 24, 2013 at 11:17 PM (#4477238)
I can't believe this series didn't go 7.


Me neither. I was all ready to tell the bartender "See you on Wednesday" and then the last 2 minutes happened. Just amazing. No one in Boston was over the game getting tied up and then the winning goal happened. Jimeny Cricket.

What a series. I really wish it had gone 7, because it was a classic.
   1320. Bull Pain Posted: June 24, 2013 at 11:18 PM (#4477239)
As a Devils fan, it reminded me of this game. Truly indescribable.


I'm from Chicago and a life-long Hawks fan but I now live 10 minutes from the Hurricanes' arena. After the Bickell goal but before Bolland, I mentioned that exact game to my wife. That was a stunner.
   1321. zack Posted: June 24, 2013 at 11:19 PM (#4477240)
Scotty looks really good for 79.
   1322. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: June 24, 2013 at 11:19 PM (#4477241)
So, a question, what type of contract is Rask going to get? My one hockey knowledgeable friend said 5/30.
   1323. zack Posted: June 24, 2013 at 11:22 PM (#4477243)
I think $6 per, for five years or more is a safe guess. My first guess was $6.5 for 6, but with the cap coming down I think $5.5 to $6 is good.
   1324. zack Posted: June 24, 2013 at 11:25 PM (#4477245)
I like how Shaw's blood is all over everybody.
   1325. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: June 24, 2013 at 11:27 PM (#4477246)
On the plus side, this does #### over Jeremy Jacobs. I cannot wait until that ####### dies and the Bruins move to a different owner. I tried really hard this year not to follow hockey because he's a grade A+ #######. Maybe it gave him a heart attack or a stroke.
   1326. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: June 24, 2013 at 11:28 PM (#4477247)
Good for the Hawks. I never generated a hatred of those guys like I did of the Canucks two years ago. Just really disappointed that this didn't go seven. This series deserved it.
   1327. Snowboy Posted: June 24, 2013 at 11:29 PM (#4477248)
Scotty Bowman is a consultant for the Hawks.
13th time winning the Cup for him. He sure looks good for 80 years old. I loved it he was coaching the Red Wings, and when they won he put on a pair of skates and took a turn around the ice with the Cup.
   1328. zack Posted: June 24, 2013 at 11:30 PM (#4477249)
Swedepile!
   1329. zack Posted: June 24, 2013 at 11:41 PM (#4477253)
Also, since this is a stat-nerd site, Timo Seppa from puck prospectus has picked the last 5 cup finals winners*, including the correct number of games each time.

*At the start of the series, not the playoffs or season, but still!
   1330. Snowboy Posted: June 24, 2013 at 11:53 PM (#4477257)
Claude Julien and Joel Quenneville played junior hockey for the Windsor Spitfires (though not as same time; like Bolland and Kane, just a year or two apart.)
   1331. zack Posted: June 25, 2013 at 12:50 AM (#4477268)
I can't tell what is funnier in this picture, Toews' nose or Michael Handzus played by Steve Zahn?

ZOMBIE ATTACK!
   1332. Moses Taylor, Moses Taylor Posted: June 25, 2013 at 01:29 AM (#4477277)
More to say tomorrow. And the injuries coming out are already ridiculous. But this is how I feel right now.
   1333. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: June 25, 2013 at 02:28 AM (#4477282)
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Hawks, what a season, no time for the fire sale
   1334. Snowboy Posted: June 25, 2013 at 03:26 AM (#4477289)
Dear Red,
If you are reading this, you are a hockey fan.
And if you've come this far, maybe you're willing to come a little further.
You remember the full name of The Cup, don't you?


Here is the end of playoffs video montage put together by CBC for 2013.
I know it stings if you are a fan of [xxx] team. But there can be only one winner.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_93FLfgKz-E
(As always, YouTube rapes the quality. But maybe there will be an HD version up tmr? It looks okay on iPhone, but not so much on full screen monitor.)

(In case you don't know, the woman hiding her face at 1:00 is the mother of Leafs goalie James Reimer. The woman on her right in the shot is Reimer's wife. I don't know who the next guy in the row is, but he's wearing a Minnesota North Stars hat, so he's representing a team that should never have been ####### moved in the first place (pardon my french) so he's good in my books.*)

(2:22: "you gotta problem?")

(At 3:15 that is Bobby Hull, Stan Mikita, and looks like Denis Savard in the same luxury box, all having had their number retired by Chicago. I'm sure that CBC was preparing a different package if Boston won on Wednesday, with Bobby Orr, Cam Neeley in his playing days, and maybe a shot of Ray Bourque? Or Dit Clapper's headstone? Who knows?)

The spot opens with Ron MacLean trying to quote Jamal Mayers, who in an on-ice interview after the win said "every kid in Canada thinks about the Cup, and let me tell you lifting it up is even better than you have ever imagined." Mayers is 38, and I don't think he played against Boston, but he beat Toews in just about every practice face-off in the morning today.

*And Boston fans are a little in my bad books tonight: I know they were shocked, and expecting a game seven with that lead, and they showed great respect and spirit to stick around at TD Garden and watch the presentations. But Bettman is almost always booed harder when he is on the ice. And considering the season didn't start until January this year? I expected more: you disappoint me.
   1335. The Kentucky Gentleman, Mark Edward Posted: June 25, 2013 at 11:14 AM (#4477440)
I know ten years is a long time in the world of sports, but it still amazes me that only a decade ago the Hawks were dressing the likes of Nathan Dempsey, Burke Henry, & Steve Passmore on a consistent basis (well Passmore was a back up but you get my point). This organization's turnaround is incredible.
   1336. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: June 25, 2013 at 11:42 AM (#4477467)
The youtube link from 1334 is fantastic.
   1337. zonk Posted: June 25, 2013 at 11:46 AM (#4477476)
I know ten years is a long time in the world of sports, but it still amazes me that only a decade ago the Hawks were dressing the likes of Nathan Dempsey, Burke Henry, & Steve Passmore on a consistent basis (well Passmore was a back up but you get my point). This organization's turnaround is incredible.


You make it sound like I shouldn't be wearing my Alexei Zhamnov with pride....
   1338. zack Posted: June 25, 2013 at 11:51 AM (#4477482)
The most ridiculous part of the Blackhawks' rise to me is that it happened like, the second that the old man died. They have one luck-driven playoff appearance in the last decade, he kicks the bucket right before the season and they shoot up to 9th. The next year they're in the conference finals and the one after that they're throwing parades.
You make it sound like I shouldn't be wearing my Alexei Zhamnov with pride....

Is it black?

   1339. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: June 25, 2013 at 11:57 AM (#4477488)
The ABC line was low on the minutes totem-pole in that particular game. My memories of the early aughts teams are essentially that line, Russians that I got inexplicably excited about (Yakubov, Vorobiev, Kojevnikov, Babchuk) and the hope that Ruutu brought. Alexander Karpotsev deserves a special shoutout, both for his brilliant own goal(*) as well as Pat Foley's related rant.

(*)No luck finding it on Youtube. He essentially tried to ring it around the boards from a pretty terrible angle to even attempt it, and he's able to beat the goalie near side.
   1340. zack Posted: June 25, 2013 at 12:01 PM (#4477490)
(As always, YouTube r***s the quality. But maybe there will be an HD version up tmr? It looks okay on iPhone, but not so much on full screen monitor.)

It looks like #### even on 1080p, so the terrible quality is due to whatever it was encoded with before it was uploaded. Since it wasn't uploaded by the original source, it's probably a compression of a compression which will always look like garbage.

Bickell's missing tooth really makes his reaction shots so much better. It's the hulk-lebration.

   1341. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: June 25, 2013 at 12:14 PM (#4477505)
So the Hossa injury was a disc issue in his back and at times had no feeling in his legs. thats crazy
   1342. The Kentucky Gentleman, Mark Edward Posted: June 25, 2013 at 12:15 PM (#4477506)
I currently have an Alex Zhamnov bobblehead in my bedroom. My buddy, who collects all sorts of Hawks' knick-knacks (including a Jeff Hamilton nesting doll) desperately wants it. IMO he was a perfectly cromulent 2nd line center.

This is most definitely my favorite game from that time period. I was there, and like most Wings-Hawks games from that time the UC was filled with Wings' fans. A Michael Leighton shutout & Deron Quint goal? Classic.
   1343. Ron J2 Posted: June 25, 2013 at 12:30 PM (#4477517)
#1213 The last Leafs team to win the cup included Horton (37), Allan Stanley (40), Red Kelly (39), Terry Sawchuck (37), Johnny Bower (42), Marcel Pronovost (36) and George Armstrong (36)

Stanley and Horton usually played as a defensive pair. Pronovost typically played with Bobby Baun -- a 30 year old. And they really only used 5 defensemen. Larry Hillman (a 29 year old) filling in as required. Kelly did see some power play time on defense (he had switched between center and defense several times in his career) which took some of the load off.

A strikingly old team constructed (or so the story went back in the day) specifically for playoff success.

Didn't hurt that there were only two rounds of playoffs to get through.
   1344. zack Posted: June 25, 2013 at 12:38 PM (#4477523)
Didn't hurt that there were only two rounds of playoffs to get through.

Not really that surprising that the Leafs last championship came when there were only 6 teams, 4 of which made the playoffs, is it? In honor of the just finished all-original-six finals, we should take a moment to reflect on the travesmockery that was the O6 era. That season was particularly bad, when you had each team play the others 14 times, resulting in the final points being 94-77-75-72-58-44, and yet the championship is decided by two rounds of playoffs.
   1345. Shredder Posted: June 25, 2013 at 01:20 PM (#4477557)
Alexander Karpotsev deserves a special shoutout, both for his brilliant own goal(*) as well as Pat Foley's related rant.
Kind of sad in the wake of his still fairly recent death.
   1346. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: June 26, 2013 at 01:18 PM (#4478348)
Im not sure how other teams do it but I love that the Hawks take the cup with them around the city drinking and celebrating with the fans when they get back into town after winning it
   1347. zonk Posted: June 28, 2013 at 12:06 PM (#4480139)
Nice gesture from the Hawks --

Full page ad from the Hawks in the Boston Globe thanking Boston for their hospitality, congratulating them on a fine season, and for a hard-fought series.
   1348. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: June 28, 2013 at 01:04 PM (#4480189)
That was a great gesture and is being received well here in Boston. There was some criticsm for their pre-series adjustment to the "we are all Boston fans" ad that they ran after the Patriots Day bombings so it's nice to see them doing this. I think the pre-series thing was more a bad judgment call than anything really worthy of criticsm but this is undeniably a class gesture.

As I said to my friend this morning when he told me about it, I never got a good hatred of the Hawks going this series. I just loved their game, their players and their fans. Obviously I dearly wanted to see the Bruins pull it off but this wasn't like 2011 when I wanted to punch at least half a dozen Canucks right in the nuts.
   1349. Eddo Posted: June 28, 2013 at 01:14 PM (#4480195)
As I said to my friend this morning when he told me about it, I never got a good hatred of the Hawks going this series. I just loved their game, their players and their fans. Obviously I dearly wanted to see the Bruins pull it off but this wasn't like 2011 when I wanted to punch at least half a dozen Canucks right in the nuts.

I felt the same way regarding the Bruins, it was very different from the Flyers series in 2010.
   1350. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: June 28, 2013 at 02:02 PM (#4480257)
The list in injurys are crazy handzus had a broken wrist bickell with his knee hossa on one leg bergeron i think is still in the hospital with a punctred lung
   1351. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: June 28, 2013 at 02:13 PM (#4480272)
Kind of sad in the wake of his still fairly recent death.

Yikes, that's right. Completely forgot that both he and Igor Korolev were on that plane.
   1352. zack Posted: June 30, 2013 at 03:08 PM (#4481328)
Heh, Bettman is getting good at the sardonic replies to the boos raining down on him at every public appearance. "Thanks for your energy".
   1353. zack Posted: June 30, 2013 at 03:22 PM (#4481336)
Wow. Seth Jones falls out of the top 3. All of the top-5 rated guys look like great talents, but you have to think that Florida should have traded down if they were taking Barkov.
   1354. zack Posted: June 30, 2013 at 04:07 PM (#4481365)
Cory Schneider straight up for #9 from NJ. Wow.
   1355. Langer Monk Posted: June 30, 2013 at 04:44 PM (#4481387)
Cory Schneider straight up for #9 from NJ. Wow.


That's about all I've been able to say. Wow.
   1356. zack Posted: June 30, 2013 at 04:56 PM (#4481400)
Oh dear god, I'm starting to like Gary Bettman. He really needs to fully embrace the heel turn.

Bettman steps to the mic before pic #18, loud boos. Coyly, "I have a trade to announce. Do you want to hear it?". The boos stop and he does so.
   1357. Langer Monk Posted: June 30, 2013 at 04:58 PM (#4481403)
He should just change his name to Gary Boo-man. Then he can really have a good time with it.
   1358. Langer Monk Posted: June 30, 2013 at 05:00 PM (#4481407)
Rather pointless trade by SJ. That guy would have been available at 20.
   1359. zack Posted: June 30, 2013 at 06:30 PM (#4481473)
I think this draft displays a lot of evidence that most NHL organizations are still pretty deep in the dark ages. Overrating size, wasting excess value, vastly overrating positional need, and of course still xenophobia. The commentators are of course much worse, they are talking about drafting for positional need in the friggin' second round. Outside of the top-5 picks, you shouldn't even be thinking of most players being in the NHL for at least 2 years, and more likely 3.
   1360. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: June 30, 2013 at 07:36 PM (#4481563)
Boland and Frolik are both gone. I think frolik was worth holding onto
   1361. zack Posted: June 30, 2013 at 07:40 PM (#4481570)
Oh wow, didn't see that coming. I wonder if CHI is planning something bigger, because both of those players are overpaid relative to their production, and this opens up a lot of cap space. I'm not at all surprised by Bolland being moved, but somewhat surprised and a little sad to see Frolik going. Not a great return, but like I said, they're both overpaid, and Bolland is a UFA after this year.
   1362. jobu Posted: June 30, 2013 at 08:25 PM (#4481620)
Hawks sold high on Bolland and appeared to get great value. Still, I'm having a hard time thinking of a good parallel in another sport--a guy gets traded less than a week after a historically great game-winning score. I think the reason it is more likely to happen in hockey is simply that in most other sports, you try to have your best team possible on the field at the end of a close game, and the shifts in hockey are such that you could have a 3rd line or specialists on the ice.

Bickell signing is good news, though.
   1363. Langer Monk Posted: June 30, 2013 at 08:55 PM (#4481644)
deep in the dark ages


Take a few minutes and look at draft histories on Hockey-Reference. Almost random assortment of who succeeds in the NHL outside the top 3 or so.
   1364. Moses Taylor, Moses Taylor Posted: June 30, 2013 at 09:26 PM (#4481663)
Sounds like bettman was watching stern during the NBA draft this week.

Hawks got 5 picks and $5 mil of cap space for 2 fourth liners. Bickell got 4/$16mil and the hawks still have $9.5 mil in cap space and only one notable hole (2nd line center). Great GM work.
   1365. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: June 30, 2013 at 10:33 PM (#4481700)
I can see the hawks signing one guy and using the farm to fill the spots on the roster
   1366. zack Posted: July 01, 2013 at 02:36 AM (#4481793)
hawks still have $9.5 mil in cap space and only one notable hole (2nd line center).


I think 6D is a more notable hole, personally, because Brookbank sucks and you don't want Stanton and Leddy as a pairing. You could use Stanton or Dahlbeck but I'd rather keep the top 4 as they are. I'd just call up Pirri for the 2C, because he deserves the shot and his ELC is up after this year. If it doesn't work out, go out at the deadline and fill the Handzus Memorial 2C slot, or make Sharp center again. Bring up Pirri, Smith, Morin and Hayes and you have ~$4 million to split between a 6D and a depth PK forward, or just the former if Leddy is more than $3.5.
   1367. The Kentucky Gentleman, Mark Edward Posted: July 01, 2013 at 10:42 AM (#4481924)
I'm bummed to see Frolik leave. Yes he was a little expensive but I loved the way he & Kruger played together.

That's a hefty price to pay for Bickell. Not a huge fan of the signing but I guess dealing Bolland & Frolik makes it palatable.

Adam Clendeding had a really solid year in the AHL, I wonder if he might get a shot at the 6th d-man spot. IIRC he plays the similar to Leddy.

Speaking of Leddy, the Hawks need to lock him up. He didn't have a very good post-season so maybe they can get a discount.
   1368. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: July 01, 2013 at 11:54 AM (#4481974)
Why should I be excited about the Bickell signing? I am not trying to be snarky. I look at his regular season numbers and don't see anything particularly noteworthy. He's 27, so at this point what you see is what you get(*). His average time on ice up to this point in his career has been that of a bottom-six forward, and if hockey is similar to basketball, there could be a trade-off (for the worse) if he starts getting more minutes. This contract essentially pays him to be a second line forward, right? And if so, I'm not sure he's proven he's that good. Admittedly, I don't know what the cap is supposed to do over the life of the contract. If it rises even a little bit, the contract probably ain't worth fretting over.

(*)Hockey forwards generally tend to 'peak' early, right? Like the lower-to-mid-20s?
   1369. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: July 01, 2013 at 12:36 PM (#4482024)
I think after this upcoming season the cap is supposed to go up a decent amount
   1370. zack Posted: July 01, 2013 at 01:16 PM (#4482067)
I don't have any studies at hand, but my intuition and hazy memories would put forward scoring peak at approximately 24-25.

I don't love the Bickell deal, but it's not as horrific as a lot of people seem to believe. Even without the scoring he's still a solid player. There is some evidence that he won't follow a typical aging curve, since his skating has improved over the years and his production was limited by his usage. He was 8th in ES TOI over the regular season, 5th for the playoffs. I think they are envisioning him as a top-6 winger for the future, probably with Kane and Toews in the role he was used for the end of the playoffs.

I think management must have felt they needed to keep him because he provides a power element that they otherwise lack, since they are (rightly) less concerned with size than most teams. He probably will see some PP time this season.

Many fans seem to prefer Bolland to Bickell, but I don't see it. Bolland hasn't played a full season in 4 years, and he's had recurring problems with both his back and concussions.
   1371. Brian C Posted: July 01, 2013 at 02:41 PM (#4482146)
Bolland seems to me like he's gotten worse every year since the first Stanley Cup run. Actually, he was pretty brutal to start that season, too, but was better after coming back from (IIRC) back surgery.

This last season, he was just awful. Of the regulars, no one else on the team had CORSI numbers anywhere near as bad as he did, and the closest were Kane and Sharp, who both spent most of their time on his wings. Both were fine, though, when playing with anyone else.

Bolland's decision-making struck me as leaving a lot to be desired, as well. He was tied for third on the team with 11 minor penalties, despite missing 12 games (Shaw played in every game and led the team with 14). He was prone to stupid turnovers and wasn't near the threat on the forecheck that he used to be. He didn't spend near as much time on the PK as in previous years.

All in all, I'd rather have Bickell at $4 million a year than Bolland at $3.3 million, and it's not even close. Bickell fills a huge need while still fitting in with the team's overall scheme (Bickell's fast for his size and forechecks like a rabid dog). Bolland fills a need, too, in that the Hawks don't have much depth at center, but Bolland just doesn't give them enough to be worth it. Kruger's already eclipsed him on the depth chart and even Handzus came in and surpassed him.
   1372. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: July 01, 2013 at 04:39 PM (#4482295)
Since they don't have to do an epic tear down this time I think the hawks should have a good chance to repeat, and that would be awesome
   1373. Brian C Posted: July 01, 2013 at 05:43 PM (#4482366)
I, too, favor a repeat.
   1374. zack Posted: July 01, 2013 at 06:01 PM (#4482386)
They have an excellent shot at the president's trophy again, what with the realignment. But they'll need a powerplay this year.

I wonder where Vancouver will end up, having just traded the Oilers, Flames, Avalanche and Wild for the Kings, Sharks, Ducks and Coyotes. Well, the Oilers and Flames are still there, duh, but they won't play them as much.
   1375. The Kentucky Gentleman, Mark Edward Posted: July 02, 2013 at 01:56 PM (#4483120)
All in all, I'd rather have Bickell at $4 million a year than Bolland at $3.3 million, and it's not even close.


As would I. I'm fine with trading Bolland- he was too expensive for his production, and either Pirri, Shaw, or Kruger could take his place on the third line (though I'm not convinced Kruger has much offensive prowess). Maybe bring in an inexpensive UFA like Cullen. Anyway, I'm more concerned about Bickell making $4M per year, though I guess if the cap goes up I won't have to worry too much.

So the Hawks have about $10M to spend? Looking through the UFAs I'm not overly excited about many of the options. Ribeiro puts up points but has horrible CORSI numbers. Lecavalier will probably get much more $$$ than he's worth. Richards has had a couple of decent seasons but he's getting up there in age.
   1376. zack Posted: July 02, 2013 at 05:16 PM (#4483361)
So the Hawks have about $10M to spend?

Realistically they have about $8.5 (since Raanta or Emery will be ~$1.5, and Pirri will be $.875) to re-sign Kruger and Leddy, get a 6D and a depth center. I would be surprised if the Blackhawks spend more than $4 million, total, in free agency. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they spent $0.
   1377. zack Posted: July 02, 2013 at 11:01 PM (#4483627)
So Ed Snider is running the Flyers, right? Because otherwise Holmgren needs to be fired 3 years ago.
   1378. Langer Monk Posted: July 05, 2013 at 10:13 AM (#4485217)
It's the big day. It'll be interesting to see which team signs Clarkson to a Gomez type mistake.
   1379. zack Posted: July 05, 2013 at 11:05 AM (#4485263)
I'm going to go with a lot of them. What are the Leafs doing buying out Grabovski? I thought 5 years was too long when they signed him, but he's one of their few good players. They couldn't trade him?

Giroux gets an $8.25 max length contract. Does Holmgren even know there's a cap?
   1380. Langer Monk Posted: July 05, 2013 at 12:26 PM (#4485339)
Nothing quite like bidding against yourself.
   1381. zack Posted: July 05, 2013 at 01:02 PM (#4485365)
I think the Devils are winning (...) the worst deal so far. Ryan Clowe for $4.85 for five years?
   1382. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: July 05, 2013 at 01:11 PM (#4485371)
Alfredsson to Detroit, Nathan Horton to Columbus.

Bruins trade yesterday still has me stunned. I'll say this for Chiarelli, if he thinks someone isn't fitting in he isn't shy about moving him along. I'm fearful this might be one step too far and will wind up looking really bad. The return for Seguin was pretty good and some of the impetus is (presumably) to re-up Rask (UFA) and Bergeron (still under contract). If that happens I'll be pretty happy even though I think Seguin is still going to go on to a great career.
   1383. Random Transaction Generator Posted: July 05, 2013 at 01:32 PM (#4485395)
Something smells REAL bad in Ottawa right now.
If you can't sign the best player in your franchise history, the heart and soul of your team, the 17-year veteran and captain of your squad, for a measly $5million one year deal...

The Senators fans are going to (quietly, and politely) riot.
   1384. Langer Monk Posted: July 05, 2013 at 01:56 PM (#4485416)
I think the Devils are winning (...) the worst deal so far. Ryan Clowe for $4.85 for five years


Meh, Clarkson for 7 is going pass that by far.
   1385. The Kentucky Gentleman, Mark Edward Posted: July 05, 2013 at 01:59 PM (#4485418)
Hawks bring back Handzus for one more year & Rozsival for 2. I'm guessing Handzus will center the the line with Sharp & Hossa while Toews/Kane/Bickell play the other top line. I would've liked to see Pirri get a shot with Hossa & Sharp. Maybe they'll move Shaw to a wing and let Pirri center the third line.

Without looking at it too closely that Nathan Horton deal seems kind of ridiculous. The Blue Jackets seem cursed with horrible management.
   1386. zack Posted: July 05, 2013 at 02:03 PM (#4485423)
Yeah, Clarkson gets $5.25 for 7 and takes the title from Clowe. Both are awful deals though. Bickell's 4x4 looks a lot better now, as expected.

I think the low dollar value of the Handzus deal is proof that Pirri will get first shot at the 2C, actually. I think Handzus is mostly insurance.
   1387. zack Posted: July 05, 2013 at 03:03 PM (#4485465)
Regarding Seguin, the Boston media is Red-Soxing/Lucchinoing him, right?
   1388. JL Posted: July 05, 2013 at 03:11 PM (#4485468)
Alfredsson to Detroit,


They also got Weiss at a pretty good cap number for five years. Nice additions.
   1389. Langer Monk Posted: July 05, 2013 at 03:11 PM (#4485469)
If someone can explain Boston trading Seguin in a rational way, I'd love to hear it.
   1390. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: July 05, 2013 at 03:28 PM (#4485478)
If someone can explain Boston trading Seguin in a rational way, I'd love to hear it.


It comes down to a few things;

1. The desire/need to get Rask and Bergeron done. Unloading Seguin frees up pretty substantial money in that direction. In effect the Bruins are saying Rask+Eriksen>Seguin+Goalie that isn't Rask

2. Seguin has maturity issues. While zack is right about the media doing their thing but Seguin has been getting hit with this rap for awhile. He was a healthy scratch last year (in Winnipeg maybe?) when he overslept for a morning skate. The Bruins never came out and said it but they also were pretty clear in never denying that it wasn't a one time thing. He's 21 and none of the offenses in their own right seem truly awful but there is a trend here. To zack's question/comment, while it's getting a lot of play now anyone who has read the papers in the last three years isn't seeing "Tyler Seguin=Immature" for the first time this morning.

3. The Bruins have a style and Seguin doesn't exactly fit that style. They know they need guys to put the puck in the net but they prefer the Marchand/Lucic types who can get gritty and score rather than just the flashy type. Krejci is a similar player and has at many times over the years been rumored to be on his way out. His post-season performances in 2011 and 2013 have stalled those rumors with him now being viewed as a "clutch player."

As I noted above I won't be surprised if this deal goes sideways on the Bruins. If Eriksen and Morrow do what they are expected to do I think the Bruins are willing to eat seeing Seguin become a 40 goal scorer in Dallas.
   1391. Langer Monk Posted: July 05, 2013 at 03:41 PM (#4485488)
I think the money bit is overstated though - it's 1.5M difference between Seguin and Eriksson. And he's 21, just seems crazy to me to dump that talent for that reason at this stage.

I'll take your word on 3, but I still don't get it. It's crazy.
   1392. zack Posted: July 05, 2013 at 03:51 PM (#4485493)
This is what happens when you spend the lockout with Patrick Kane. (Nevermind that Kane spent most of his time in SUI with his mom, and his play was improved this year in many ways).
   1393. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: July 05, 2013 at 03:51 PM (#4485495)
That 1.5 isn't insignificant. Eriksson's output has been pretty steady in the high-20s goals per season which is about what Seguin has done in his brief career. I think the Bruins believe that Seguin isn't going to get past that so saving $1.5 and adding Morrow is valuable. From what little I know and am being told about Eriksson I won't be shocked if he fills Nathan Horton's shoes rather nicely. His pre-Boston career looks not unlike Horton's.

As a Bruin fan I feel awfully good about the young defense. I'm sky high on Hamilton and I believe that at worst Krug has a career ahead of him as a PP quarterback. Adding Morrow provides a lot of depth in an area that can be tough to fill.

Don't get me wrong. This trade could be a spectacular disaster. Seguin could figure it out and become a 50 goal guy while Eriksson becomes a JAG and Morrow's defensive issues never get fixed. I look at it this way; if you're the Bruins and don't believe Seguin is going to turn it around, this is the time to move him and the package they got looks awfully good to my untrained eyes. I don't think they moved him to get rid of him but got a package they felt was equivalent to Seguin and fit the club better.
   1394. zack Posted: July 05, 2013 at 03:58 PM (#4485499)
The fact that Seguin is signed for 6 years while the Most Underrated Player is signed for only 3 is where the deal breaks down for me.
   1395. Langer Monk Posted: July 05, 2013 at 04:01 PM (#4485504)
Looking at it more, I think what makes it crazier to me is the timing of the contract extension last September. I guess that's what you risk when you extend a 20-year old when he's still a RFA to a 7 year deal.
   1396. squatto Posted: July 05, 2013 at 04:01 PM (#4485505)
He's 21 and none of the offenses in their own right seem truly awful but there is a trend here.


Lucchino mouthpiece alert: The Herald reported that Seguin had to be pulled aside for a talk during the Toronto series. Crapdog, I can't find the story. Anyway, what I read this morning is that Seguin showed up for three straight games wearing the same clothes. The team gave him a talk about getting his #### together. The obvious comparison is to Kane, yet Kane wasn't going on benders during the season that I know of. Even without this, Seguin has a big contract and he doesn't play a Julien-style wing, and he didn't shine when given a chance at center. Moving him frees up money for Rask and Bergeron, and yielded a more Julien-style player in the process. Even without the shenanigans it makes sense to me.

I have to wonder what Neely had to say about it, or if he was in any of these supposed meetings with Seguin.

EDIT: Found the source story:

According to sources around the team, Seguin was out late in Toronto during the road trip to play the Leafs in the first round of the playoffs and the team had to hold a sit-down with the immature forward about his commitment to the team. Seguin showed up each day at the Air Canada Centre wearing the same clothes for three straight days and played badly in Games 3 and 4 of the first round against Toronto.
   1397. CM in NY Posted: July 05, 2013 at 04:04 PM (#4485511)
To add to Jose's post, Seguin also was a poor fit for the Bruins because he is a center who the Bruins had playing at RW because they had Krecji and Bergeron on the first two lines. He'll get to play center again in Dallas.

Also, they freed up more than $1.5 by getting rid of Peverly's salary.

   1398. MHS Posted: July 05, 2013 at 04:24 PM (#4485531)
The reason Seguin is a poor fit for the bruins is Julian. Plain and simple. He has a horrible track record for brining out the best in young players, who require some development. no patience

The Bruins got a solid player in return but gave up a good player with hart trophy upside. The prospects the bruins received will most likely not live up to their potential due the system and the coaching.

Not to mention, a scorer/possession skill set is more valuable to the offensively challenged bruins than a post prime 2 way guy.
   1399. Langer Monk Posted: July 05, 2013 at 08:07 PM (#4485713)
Now even more confused by Boston with the Iginla signing.

Very happy with the Devils day, notwithstanding overpaying Clowe. More coming and I'll stay happy as long as Zidlicky never plays in Jersey again.
   1400. zack Posted: July 05, 2013 at 09:13 PM (#4485773)
Very happy with the Devils day, notwithstanding overpaying Clowe.

Does the age of the team scare you? Lou has had a very "old" off-season.
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