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OT: NHL is finally back thread

Now that the season has finally started it’s time to break from the NFL thread.

odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: January 21, 2013 at 01:09 PM | 1685 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   801. Moses Taylor World Re-Tour 2.0: Warszawa Posted: June 12, 2013 at 04:50 PM (#4468135)
In terms of scoring depth, if you run through the stats since 2010-2011, you'd have to say the Bruins scoring is more spread out.

Considering the roster turnover for the Hawks following the 2010 Cup, it's kinda hard to pick that 3 year period as the cutoff (it includes the Bruins' run, but rightfully excludes the Hawks'). But I understand wanting to include more than just this partial year.
   802. Famous Original Joe C Posted: June 12, 2013 at 04:56 PM (#4468141)
Bryan Smolinski


Fun fact - Smolinski was drafted by the Bruins the same year as Jagr.
   803. Moses Taylor World Re-Tour 2.0: Warszawa Posted: June 12, 2013 at 04:56 PM (#4468142)
maybe i'm not giving the west enough credit, but i do think it's a lot easier to play shutdown defense when you're playing against teams that run out 4 checking lines.

I think this argument is just going to go round and round in circles. But if this really is the case, doesn't that make the Hawks offensive totals this year even more impressive (only Pitt had more goals)? And while we're on this merry go round, maybe that makes the Hawks defensive numbers less impressive since they didn't have to face the Hawks offense.

Either way, it's kinda funny the series is the defensive team from the offensive conference against the offensive team from the defensive conference (that just also happened to be the best defensive team).
   804. SteveF Posted: June 12, 2013 at 05:12 PM (#4468154)
I think this argument is just going to go round and round in circles.


The trend has been towards parity between the conferences. The East has improved versus the West over the past 3 seasons. 2009-2010 the East was -40 (W-(L+OTL)). In 2010-2011 the East was -14. In 2011-2012 the East was -2.
   805. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: June 12, 2013 at 06:01 PM (#4468209)
To add to my last post it was more that I didnt knlw the Bruins roster and who is good there at scoring etc. And I should have phraded it ss the hawks have 4 guys considered offensive stars not that they are all all stars and best of the best.

Anyways I'm excited to get this series started. And preduct stahlberg will play game 2
   806. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: June 12, 2013 at 06:43 PM (#4468227)
Shredder give me a week and Ill let you know which lage on bbref I want. Need to find a crapy cubs player
   807. Shredder Posted: June 12, 2013 at 08:11 PM (#4468258)
Need to find a crapy cubs player
That's not exactly searching for a needle in a haystack.
   808. Snowboy Posted: June 12, 2013 at 08:15 PM (#4468261)
Chicago will do a better job than Pittsburgh of getting a guy in front of the net, and make things more difficult for Rask. If Bickell plays on the second line (thus avoiding playing against Chara too often) he will continue to be tough to handle.

Jagr will score a goal and move into a tie for tenth on the alltime playoffs list with Jean Beliveau (he's already tied for fifth in playoff points with Paul Coffey.) We'll see how Chicago handles the beast line of Lucic Krejci Horton. (By activating Bollig? And after Kane woke up, he's getting put back on a line with Handzus? Umm...)

Coach Q says his favourite players growing up were Bobby Hull and Bobby Orr. A lot of great players in Chicago and Boston's history.

They are saying there was crappy weather in Chicago today (threat of tornados) and they opened the arena early to let people in. We'll see how that affects the ice.

   809. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: June 12, 2013 at 08:17 PM (#4468262)
Disappointed in Cherry's outfit tonight. He looks like a 30's gangster wearing a leather daddy's hat.
   810. zack Posted: June 12, 2013 at 08:41 PM (#4468268)
That was a series' worth of hits for Chicago in the first 5 minutes.
   811. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: June 12, 2013 at 08:47 PM (#4468271)
WOO! Hjalmarsson made a mistake there, going for the big hit instead of the puck.
   812. zack Posted: June 12, 2013 at 08:49 PM (#4468275)
Yeah, that's why you don't run around trying to hurt guys when you haven't done that all year.
   813. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: June 12, 2013 at 08:58 PM (#4468284)
Good first period for the Bruins, but the Blackhawks look dangerous.
   814. SteveF Posted: June 12, 2013 at 09:15 PM (#4468300)
Hawks forecheck definitely won in the first 10, but the Bruins handled it in the second 10. The neutral zone played pretty evenly. Toews and Kane have been pretty quiet thus far. I thought Chicago's 3rd line played really well.
   815. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: June 12, 2013 at 09:18 PM (#4468303)
The Krecji line has been awesome this postseason, but Kane needs to do better there.
   816. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: June 12, 2013 at 09:20 PM (#4468308)
No penelty for the high stick there? Wtf
   817. zonk Posted: June 12, 2013 at 09:22 PM (#4468311)
Whew!

Concerned about this getting out hand.
   818. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: June 12, 2013 at 09:22 PM (#4468312)
First goal against Rask in like 100 shots.
   819. zack Posted: June 12, 2013 at 09:25 PM (#4468315)
The linesman just friggin' passed it to Bergeron! CONSPIRACY! CONSPIRRRACYYYYYY!
   820. zonk Posted: June 12, 2013 at 09:27 PM (#4468320)
Come on!

Is that net regulation?
   821. zack Posted: June 12, 2013 at 09:28 PM (#4468322)
Anybody but Bollig at least puts one of those on net. Thanks Q! Great timing hit by Hossa to deny the shot.
   822. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: June 12, 2013 at 09:34 PM (#4468327)
Man, I can't believe this game hasn't been tied up, Hawks are getting a lot of chances.

Ugh. That's shitty luck for the Bruins. 5 v 3.
   823. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: June 12, 2013 at 09:37 PM (#4468331)
These PKs are going to be like the immovable walls vs the stoppable forces of both teams power plays.
   824. SteveF Posted: June 12, 2013 at 09:38 PM (#4468333)
Not sure why Hossa kept passing up shots on the 5 on 3.
   825. zonk Posted: June 12, 2013 at 09:39 PM (#4468334)
####### Hell

The way Rask and the entire Bruins D is playing, you really need to ####### take better advantage of a 5 on 3. I know they've been shitty on the pp all year, but come on...
   826. zonk Posted: June 12, 2013 at 09:44 PM (#4468338)
Given how tentative the hawks get with the advantage, maybe the bruins should just offer to play a man short the rest of the game.
   827. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: June 12, 2013 at 09:45 PM (#4468339)
The Bruins have now killed 18 straight power plays, and the Hawks are now 1 of their last 15 powerplays. Yeesh.
   828. zack Posted: June 12, 2013 at 09:46 PM (#4468340)
It's not just this year, they were a league worst in PP conversion last year. They have no idea what they're doing out there, it's embarrassing.
   829. zonk Posted: June 12, 2013 at 09:56 PM (#4468344)
the bruins were even kind enough to give them plenty of chances to chase down the puck, so they can't even claim the PP blunts their speed!
   830. SteveF Posted: June 12, 2013 at 09:58 PM (#4468345)
Some teams on the PP think it's their divine right to carry the puck over the blue line instead of dumping it in. It's probably a product of the kinds of players teams put out there on the PP. Those kinds of players don't usually want to have to regain possession in the corners. That's understandable since they typically suck at it.
   831. zack Posted: June 12, 2013 at 10:13 PM (#4468353)
Sure, but entries weren't the problem in the 5v3 or the first half of the third penalty. The problem is movement without the puck and it has been for years. When they struggle with entries they will switch to dump and chase, but they're no good at that either as they'll inevitably wait until everyone but the puck carrier is at a dead stop and then try and dump it.

And you can't say they are bad at working the boards as that is the cornerstone of their (very effective) cycle.

EDIT: That and the insane refusal to play opposite-handed point men and then have them cross over so that either point-lane can be used for the one timer. That drives me insane. I could write a book on the ineffectiveness of the CHI PP.
   832. The Kentucky Gentleman, Mark Edward Posted: June 12, 2013 at 10:18 PM (#4468356)
Anybody but Bollig at least puts one of those on net. Thanks Q! Great timing hit by Hossa to deny the shot.


Even worse, he's played less than 5 minutes. Not like I want him to play more, but the Hawks are basically playing with 11 forwards right now. Considering most of the players are pretty fatigued at this point in the playoffs, that's not an efficient use of personnel.
   833. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: June 12, 2013 at 10:20 PM (#4468359)
Brad Marchand is such a little prick. I love him. I would loathe him so much if he weren't on the Bruins.
   834. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: June 12, 2013 at 10:23 PM (#4468360)
That's a big goal.
   835. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: June 12, 2013 at 10:26 PM (#4468363)
So's that one. Damnit.
   836. zack Posted: June 12, 2013 at 10:31 PM (#4468367)
Well ####### deserved. EDIT: I mean, obviously a lucky bounce but they have been hammering the Bruins for the last few minutes.
   837. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: June 12, 2013 at 10:32 PM (#4468368)
####.
   838. zack Posted: June 12, 2013 at 10:39 PM (#4468372)
Obviously score effects are at play here, but the corsi is currently 68-34 Chicago. The fenwick is also 2:1, at 44-22.
   839. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: June 12, 2013 at 10:55 PM (#4468382)
26 blocked shots for Boston, which probably has some effect too because of the number of rebounds.

eta: Unless Corsi/Fenwick already account for that.
   840. SteveF Posted: June 12, 2013 at 11:00 PM (#4468385)
And you can't say they are bad at working the boards as that is the cornerstone of their (very effective) cycle.

I was speaking about NHL teams more generally, but I wouldn't call the Chicago power play guys that effective at cycling.

The 5 on 4 with Chara in the box is the one I'm referring to. With Chara off the ice, dump and chase should be more viable against the Bruins PK.

The Hawks forecheck has caused problems and I think they've handled Boston reasonably well through center ice. They've been able to carry the puck into the zone without pressure a good number of times and held their own pretty well below the goal line.

The Bruins have been opportunistic (a euphemism for being tied but outplayed). Provided the Hawks don't turn the puck over in a bad spot, you have to love their chances in OT.
   841. zack Posted: June 12, 2013 at 11:01 PM (#4468386)
Corsi is shots + missed shots + shot attempts blocked. Fenwick is just shots + missed shots.

The real outlier is that the Bruins somehow only missed the net twice when their shots weren't blocked.

RE: 840, I was referring to their demonstrated cycling ability over the course of several seasons at 5v5. In order to do that, you have to be willing to dig in the corners, which I think demonstrates they aren't afraid to do so. On that particular PP, they were awful, yes.
   842. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: June 12, 2013 at 11:14 PM (#4468390)
The real outlier is that the Bruins somehow only missed the net twice when their shots weren't blocked.


Well, they've made up for that a bit in OT so far.
   843. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: June 12, 2013 at 11:22 PM (#4468392)
Ref passing to the Bruins again.
   844. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: June 12, 2013 at 11:25 PM (#4468395)
Woo! Power play!
   845. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: June 12, 2013 at 11:29 PM (#4468397)
HOW DID THAT NOT GO IN?!
   846. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: June 12, 2013 at 11:39 PM (#4468401)
Oh sure, let's play two.
   847. SteveF Posted: June 12, 2013 at 11:40 PM (#4468402)
Surprised the Hawks were outplayed in that OT given how the game had gone to that point. I wonder if being tired makes it harder for them to forecheck effectively.

To clarify on the Bruins PP, they play 4 forwards with Chara on one unit, and 2 defense on the other. It's been that way for several playoff rounds. Essentially, the only way Julien will allow four forwards out is if Chara + Bergeron are on the ice.
   848. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: June 13, 2013 at 12:16 AM (#4468413)
This game is never going to end. Eventually the players will be passed out exhausted on the ice.
   849. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: June 13, 2013 at 12:18 AM (#4468414)
Wow, I thought Krug was going to end it there. I've had enough hockey for tonight, somebody please score.
   850. zack Posted: June 13, 2013 at 12:21 AM (#4468415)
It's going to be Bollig, isn't it? Though if I were betting I'd put it on the Bruins as they've had more chances caused by broken defensive plays.
   851. zack Posted: June 13, 2013 at 12:23 AM (#4468416)
Well that sucks.
   852. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: June 13, 2013 at 12:24 AM (#4468417)
Too many again? What the hell is going on over there?
   853. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: June 13, 2013 at 12:26 AM (#4468419)
Oh come on. ####### goalposts.
   854. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: June 13, 2013 at 12:27 AM (#4468420)
Oh come on. Great tip by Jagr.

We're over four hours now. What do they think this is? A mildly high scoring baseball game?
   855. zack Posted: June 13, 2013 at 12:30 AM (#4468421)
Chicago now has 121 shot attempts (57-28-36), to 72 for Boston (47-7-18). So Corsi +49, Fenwick +31. Jesus.

That said, Boston's chances have probably been better quality, while Chicago has had more, so a deservedly drawn game.
   856. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: June 13, 2013 at 12:32 AM (#4468422)
Longest overtime in the Stanley Cup finals was 1990, ending 15:53 into the 3rd overtime. The Bruins lost 3-2 to the Oilers.

Don Cherry is talking about how he got all hopped up on amphetamines one time in a multiple overtime game.
   857. Steve Treder Posted: June 13, 2013 at 12:33 AM (#4468423)
What a HELL of a great game.
   858. SteveF Posted: June 13, 2013 at 12:35 AM (#4468424)
Longest overtime in the Stanley Cup finals was 1990, ending 15:53 into the 3rd overtime.


Klima scored on his first shift of the night. It was a bit of a softie, frankly. I just remember Glen Wesley firing it over an empty net from about 40 feet out. Bruins had no chance in that series, anyway.
   859. Spahn Insane Posted: June 13, 2013 at 12:36 AM (#4468425)
I'm exhausted watching this game, and I turned it on with about 6 minutes to go in regulation.
   860. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: June 13, 2013 at 12:46 AM (#4468428)
The players seem to have gotten their second (third?) wind at least.
   861. Shredder Posted: June 13, 2013 at 12:56 AM (#4468431)
The Hawks will win this game. No team that blows such a golden opportunity ever wins a game this long.
   862. zack Posted: June 13, 2013 at 12:56 AM (#4468432)
Oh Daugavins, you idiot! Oh Dooya, you legend!
   863. Shredder Posted: June 13, 2013 at 12:57 AM (#4468433)
I'm exhausted watching this game, and I turned it on with about 6 minutes to go in regulation.
I watched the first half of he game, went to a concert, hung out for a bit after, and was still home in time for the second OT!
   864. zack Posted: June 13, 2013 at 01:00 AM (#4468435)
I watched nearly every minute of this game EXCEPT FOR THE ####### WINNING GOAL ARRRGH
   865. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: June 13, 2013 at 01:00 AM (#4468436)
Well. That sucks very hard.
   866. Shredder Posted: June 13, 2013 at 01:00 AM (#4468437)
Boston just choked away a golden opportunity.
   867. Steve Treder Posted: June 13, 2013 at 01:01 AM (#4468438)
Woo hoo!
   868. Spahn Insane Posted: June 13, 2013 at 01:03 AM (#4468439)
I watched the first half of he game, went to a concert, hung out for a bit after, and was still home in time for the second OT!

How many opening acts? :)
   869. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: June 13, 2013 at 01:03 AM (#4468440)
Hawks!
   870. zack Posted: June 13, 2013 at 01:04 AM (#4468441)
Keith played 48:40, Seidenberg 48:36, Lucic (really? not Bergeron?) 38:14, Kane 37:49 (floating the last 15 at least). No, Krejci was the Boston forward leader at 38:41.

Final attempts 132-85, +47 Chicago.
   871. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: June 13, 2013 at 01:07 AM (#4468442)
And then it's Shaw - the biggest ####### on the ice - on another stupid pinball goal. How unsatisfying.
   872. steagles Posted: June 13, 2013 at 01:07 AM (#4468443)
Don Cherry is talking about how he got all hopped up on amphetamines one time in a multiple overtime game.
awesome.

has don cherry ever been seen in the same building as craig sager?
   873. The Kentucky Gentleman, Mark Edward Posted: June 13, 2013 at 01:09 AM (#4468444)
Isn't kinda crazy how the five longest Finals games are lumped within about 5 minutes of each other?
   874. zack Posted: June 13, 2013 at 01:12 AM (#4468447)
Isn't kinda crazy how the five longest Finals games are lumped within about 5 minutes of each other?

It could be that that is near the limits of ability. I had forgotten that the "no goal" was in triple OT as well.

And then it's Shaw - the biggest ####### on the ice

Marchand wins the chief punk of the game award tonight.
   875. Bull Pain Posted: June 13, 2013 at 01:20 AM (#4468449)
Huge props to the UC sound guy for playing Iron Maiden's 2 Minutes to Midnight at exactly 11:58 CT. Hawks won two minutes later.
   876. Snowboy Posted: June 13, 2013 at 05:09 AM (#4468470)
811. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: June 12, 2013 at 08:47 PM (#4468271)

WOO! Hjalmarsson made a mistake there, going for the big hit instead of the puck.
812. zack Posted: June 12, 2013 at 08:49 PM (#4468275)

Yeah, that's why you don't run around trying to hurt guys when you haven't done that all year.


I thought the Hawks came out trying a little too hard to be tough, trying to out-Boston Boston, but they settled in to their game.

With the Hjalmarsson hit on Kreijci behind the net, I thought the same thing immediately, scott. It was like when CWS closer hung a ball the other night to Bautista - just as it got about 57 feet away, I thought "uh-oh, there's a mistake" and sure enough it was a game-tying homer. When he didn't take care of the puck and went for the hit instead, I thought "uh-oh, there's a mistake" and sure enough they paid for it.

What a great game that was. Sometimes it comes down to little mistakes like that, and I think I caught a glimpse of Kane doing a lazy backcheck on the second BOS goal. He didn't skate back hard after the puck, just kinda waved his stick and quit (which was hopefully disappointing for him, because he otherwise had a good game, and they were constantly setting up their breakouts around him by looking to give it to him and let him carry it out of the defensive zone and up the ice, and when he got chances he shot the puck.)

Hossa had a great game both ways and in general I thought the Chicago backcheck was really effective and important (maybe Hossa should have shot more when he had a chance, but Sharpe was the same way, esp early, but maybe they were just wanting to wait until someone was in front of the goalie. And overall Chicago did do a good job of parking a body in front of the net.) (I can't explain the 5x3, passing the puck back and forth on the blue line instead of getting it down low, or just shooting. Trying to score the prettiest goal ever? So many guys fall for that. zack watches the Hawks a lot, he explained some of their PP problems up-page chatter.)

If I'm Boston, I'm not sure you have to change a lot? Yes you gave up a 2-0 lead very quickly, and then a 3-1 lead, but they didn't play badly or too defensively, I didn't think. They seemed to fall asleep just before the Bolland goal to make it 3-2, but it was a bit of an unlucky bounce off a skate to tie the game. Chicago carried a lot of the play, but Boston had lots of excellent scoring chances. Lost on the road, but played well; it's not like the roof caved in (oh, weather joke!)

Losing Horton will suck (strange looking injury.) But that's why they say it's the hardest trophy in sports to win: by the end of four rounds of playoff hockey, your roster will not be the same as when you started, and even those still playing will be knicked up and nursing (or worse.)
   877. zonk Posted: June 13, 2013 at 08:37 AM (#4468488)
So, I haven't watched nearly as much hockey as I have baseball -- but I think that's got to be the best game I've ever seen. Some lapses, but both teams had extended moments of playing excellent hockey.

I gave up on the couch and watched the rest from bed - needing to get up at 5 for a meeting - and it was wholly worthwhile and satisfying waiting it out. I think I'd be in a spectacularly crabby mood today at work if Crawford hadn't fended off that last (or was it 2nd to last... I'm punch drunk) boston rush... but luckily for colleagues, I'm just in a pleasant zombie mood.

There's gotta be two teams falling on their knees in thanks that they're getting 2 days off.
   878. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: June 13, 2013 at 08:54 AM (#4468493)
That was a very frustrating loss. I can live with losing in overtime but blowing the two goal lead is the kind of stuff the B's were doing in the last 6 weeks of the regular season all too often.

Liked the way they played though. Plenty of chances, carried play for regular stretches, hopefully they can rebound. Agree with Zonk that 2 days off is necessary, at least for the fans.
   879. zack Posted: June 13, 2013 at 09:45 AM (#4468525)
I will say there was an impressive lack of shenanigans* last night (save one Marchand shift where he seemingly decided to try everything at once). Hopefully the whole series can be about actual hockey and not metahockey. I'm a bit worried that the ########### that is the Chicago PP will be an open invitation, though.

I would guess that saturday will show us an entirely different game, but I don't know if the Bruins ever change-up their gameplan, do they? They seem to be used to other teams changing to play them.

*Clearly because Bollig played, right Q?

Here are the individual possession metrics from the game. Paille was the lone Bruin not in the negative. Bickell somehow managed to be a -9 on a team that was +34.
   880. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: June 13, 2013 at 10:02 AM (#4468537)
I can't tell if the Bruins are now going to lose in 5 games or going to come right back and make this a 7 game series. That was a tough loss, and they played well enough to win. The Corsi and Fenwick was pretty strongly in Chicago's favor, but I felt like Boston had better chances.
   881. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: June 13, 2013 at 10:14 AM (#4468549)
Here are the individual possession metrics from the game.


Somewhere I can get a primer on those numbers?


I would guess that saturday will show us an entirely different game, but I don't know if the Bruins ever change-up their gameplan, do they?


Nope. I don't think they need to either, they played fine. The problem as I was just telling a co-worker is that the Blackhawks are really good. I don't think the Bruins can (or should) make a style change. They aren't going to suddenly turn into the 1988 Oilers, they are what they are.

The bigger concern for me is how the lines shake out if Horton is out. He's a big loss. Personally I'd put Seguin with Krejci, I think those guys could do some jaw dropping stuff together. I'm just not sure who the 12th forward is. For a team that rolls four lines being down a couple of forwards (Campbell too) hurts.
   882. zack Posted: June 13, 2013 at 10:29 AM (#4468559)
From my #841:
Corsi is shots + missed shots + shot attempts blocked. Fenwick is just shots + missed shots

They are mostly used as a proxy for zone time, to show who is winning the territorial battle. Fenwick, iirc, is a little better at correlating with chances because it doesn't count blocked shots against the defensive team, and blocking shots is a skill. The numbers from last night are influenced by what is called "score effects", where because Chicago was trailing early and never lead, they were forced to press and that inflated their number of attempts.

For this reason, 5v5 Fenwick in "close" situations (tied or up 1 or down 1 in the first two periods, tied in the third period (I think)) is used as the metric, and is generally regarded by statheads as the best predictor of long-term success in the NHL. Both the hawks and Bruins have been among the best teams in the NHL by that metric for the last few years.

Shero has signed Malking to big money, 8 years (the new max length) at $9.5 per. That's probably a good thing for the Pens, but having over a quarter of your cap space in two players, both of whom have missed significant time in each of the last few seasons... It makes Pitt's capgeek page hilarious, with only Fleury and Martin signed past next year besides the 3 big-money forwards.
   883. Moses Taylor World Re-Tour 2.0: Warszawa Posted: June 13, 2013 at 10:43 AM (#4468569)
It's a huge win for the Hawks that the face-offs were pretty close to even. If the Hawks can continue to keep that close, it might be a short series, because they're just going to throw so many shots at Rask. The B's evened up the SOG #s in the OTs (which definitely made the chances seem like they tilted in their favor), but they won't survive if the Hawks have 50% more shots than them. The Bruins probably can spend less energy on Bickell; it looked like they were really keying on him and although he's been hot this postseason I really wouldn't be too worried about him.

I'd say last night was a point in favor of the Hawks having more depth. Goals from all 3 third liners* and a 2nd defensive pairing/opponent; Hossa was the only top name with a point. Bolland looked as good as he's looked all year, and for more than just an odd shift or two. It felt like the Bruins top line was by far the best line, and one of the blogs made a good point that they matched up mostly with Hjalmarsson/Odyua and not Keith/Seabrook. Keith was just amazing, but his pair might need to play more against the Krejci line.

I can't believe Bollig was playing in the OTs. He ended up with 15 minutes because of how long the game went, and luckily didn't hurt them. But there were several plays that looked like they could have turned into chances that he ruined. He just has almost no hockey skills. I'm not a Shaw fan at all (871 clearly forgot about Marchand), but his dickishness definitely helped tonight. He's dumb as rocks, but if he wants to keep pestering Chara I'm all for it. Agree with 879 that it was a very cleanly played game (and well officiated, IMO, good not calling a bunch of ticky tack stuff and nothing big missed - outside that too many men on Chicago).

*Yes, Saad was out there with the first line when he scored, but he spent the first half of the season and almost all postseason there until then. And I'm so glad he got that goal, he'd been playing pretty well, especially for a rookie.

And after Kane woke up, he's getting put back on a line with Handzus? Umm...

You just spent the last 2 pages saying it didn't matter who he played with.

I thought the Hawks came out trying a little too hard to be tough, trying to out-Boston Boston, but they settled in to their game.

And this is exactly what you wanted them to do against Detroit. Ugh, too hungover to think about this right now.
   884. Moses Taylor World Re-Tour 2.0: Warszawa Posted: June 13, 2013 at 10:45 AM (#4468570)
The numbers from last night are influenced by what is called "score effects", where because Chicago was trailing early and never lead, they were forced to press and that inflated their number of attempts.

Yes, but the Bruins 2 goal leads lasted a total of 4 minutes, so it's not significantly inflated, IMO.
   885. The Kentucky Gentleman, Mark Edward Posted: June 13, 2013 at 10:52 AM (#4468573)
Crawford had a hell of a game as well, I wouldn't really pin any of the 3 Bruins' goals on him and he made a bunch of great saves, especially throughout OT.

I do not envy the decisions Stan Bowman will have to make over the next couple of seasons.
   886. Snowboy Posted: June 14, 2013 at 05:52 AM (#4469200)
Moses, the winner-in-3rd-OT winner (in the SC Finals!) hangover is the *best* kind of hangover, isn't it?

883. Moses Taylor peacocks peacock Posted: June 13, 2013 at 10:43 AM (#4468569)

And after Kane woke up, he's getting put back on a line with Handzus? Umm...

You just spent the last 2 pages saying it didn't matter who he played with.


Yep it didn't seem to matter whom he played with, he sucked.
But then he woke up.
And I was trying to find a point of agreement with you: now that Kane has found his game, why was he being placed back on a line with Handzus, who Moses Taylor says is his downfall?
   887. Moses Taylor World Re-Tour 2.0: Warszawa Posted: June 14, 2013 at 01:18 PM (#4469516)
It's looking like the lines tomorrow (to start) are going to be Toews/Hossa/Saad, Handzus/Kane/Sharp, Bolland/Shaw/Bickell, and Kruger/Frolik/Bollig. I'd still switch Hossa and Kane, and play almost anyone instead of Bollig (why not Mayers, if you want bigger, and are completely convinced Stalberg isn't worth it and don't want to go too young? hell, I'd rather see the Brookbank at F experiment again before Bollig). That 3rd line looks much better after the game Bolland just had.

   888. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: June 14, 2013 at 09:53 PM (#4469998)
Rhat third line will get at least one goal next game while most of seem to hate shaw I think he is a good player when he isnt trying to be an agitator.
   889. Snowboy Posted: June 15, 2013 at 06:46 AM (#4470049)
Hey Bruins fans...are there ever any citings of Tom Glavine at TD Gardens? He's originally from Mass, but I don't know if he retired back there or has any affiliation with the area. Or still any love for hockey? Glavine was drafted by the NHL out of high school in a high round in 1984, but he turned it down and went the baseball route instead. (The decision turned out okay.)

There are not as many connections as basketball or football, but there are a few baseball-hockey connections...Gordie Howe used to come home in the summers and play ball (until the Red Wings forced him to stop) in a league that John Kennedy (not the President, the guy who was the first to "integrate" the Phillies) later played in. The HHOF Bentley brothers also loved to play ball. Hank Bassen (father of 14 yr vet Bob Bassen) was a pretty good goalie, started his career in Chicago in the 50s, and extended it when the league expanded in the late 60s, and Hank was also known to come home in the summer and knock the ole pill around. Bassen was kind of a pioneer for goalies coming out of the crease to play the puck. If you can handle a bat, maybe you can handle a loose puck?
   890. steagles Posted: June 15, 2013 at 07:41 PM (#4470301)
is it possible to fold the flyers franchise, then create an expansion team in philadelphia with the same name, assign all current flyers contracts to the new franchise and then just pretend the last 35 years never ####### happened?


   891. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: June 15, 2013 at 07:52 PM (#4470305)
And ovi wins the hart. I dont think he deserved to win it. Also a little puzzled how the goalie from colombus won the award.

Anyways GO BLACKHAWKS!
   892. Snowboy Posted: June 15, 2013 at 07:59 PM (#4470306)
P.K. Subban won the Norris Trophy for best defenseman today, and at the end of an interview with the NBC pre-game crowd, he slipped in a little French statement. He's not going to be satisfied with his #76 hanging from the rafters next to Beliveau's #4, he wants to also be offered a seat in the Canadian Senate! (The Quebecois love that kind of stuff.)

@#879 zack, I was also impressed with the lack of shenanigans. It was some hard clean hockey. I thought Chara was kinda looking to draw a few calls, and he went down too easily when he felt Frolik's stick between his legs, but I am also glad the ref called it (because...you can't put your stick between...you know.)
   893. zack Posted: June 15, 2013 at 08:45 PM (#4470314)
I thought Chara was kinda looking to draw a few calls, and he went down too easily when he felt Frolik's stick between his legs, but I am also glad the ref called it (because...you can't put your stick between...you know.)

I agree with this, but it was the type of play where you can't tell the difference between a dive and a toepick and just being off balance awkwardly so I can't say for sure.

Great goal by Sharp to snatch the goal back just after you think it's all for not.
   894. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: June 15, 2013 at 08:48 PM (#4470316)
I cant tell if that went in or not...
   895. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: June 15, 2013 at 08:53 PM (#4470318)
Hey Bruins fans...are there ever any citings of Tom Glavine at TD Gardens? He's originally from Mass, but I don't know if he retired back there or has any affiliation with the area. Or still any love for hockey?


None that I've ever seen. Other than the mentions when he would face the Sox it really doesn't seem to get mentioned as much as you'd think, particularly given how provincial people around here are.
   896. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: June 15, 2013 at 08:54 PM (#4470319)
I think the puck went in but probably after the whistle and there was no view of the puck that ever showed it.
   897. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: June 15, 2013 at 08:55 PM (#4470320)
They missed a cross check on keith, he got hammered and had a guy on the ice behind him so he went head over heels.
   898. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: June 15, 2013 at 09:03 PM (#4470322)
Towes kane and saad out there together tomfinish the first
   899. The Kentucky Gentleman, Mark Edward Posted: June 15, 2013 at 09:03 PM (#4470323)
Very nice period from the Hawks there. Even the PP didn't look completely horrible.
   900. zack Posted: June 15, 2013 at 09:04 PM (#4470324)
Jesus christ. I have to imagine this will be the most dominant period of the series for the Blackhawks, unless this is going to be a sweep.

Not only are the shots 19-4, NBC had the scoring chances as 15-2. And corsi was +25.
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