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Every team in football has at least one game where it simply doesn't work for them. Most years the #1 team is the team that is fortunate enough to still win that game or games.
I don't think they've played aside from that game. (checks: nope).
Maybe tied for 5th in Big 12.
Why? I assume you're not getting ass out of that deal.
but few can match this Oh my Goodness! for your pathway to the title game.
USC had Matt Barkley in those games. Barkley ain't great, but that's still a big loss for them.
Well, yeah, sure. They're better than Northern Illinois for sure.
They also beat Stanford (with a questionable call) and beat OU on the road. And beat a few other solid teams. And USC's backup was pretty solid today. I don't disagree with you, but ND is not ####### Ohio State. Ohio State would probably have 3+ losses in the Pac 12, Big 12, and SEC. ND is 4 in the Sagarin rating that includes Margin of Victory. They're really a very similar team to Florida.
Notre Dame does have 2 big nice wins-at Oklahoma (even though I don't think Oklahoma is that good) and against Stanford (on an iffy final call). They beat a a solid Michigan team.
Sure, they're a good team. They're not a #1 caliber team. There's a difference.
We will get a final result in 6 weeks. We already know they aren't good enough to beat Pitt without luck, aren't good enough to beat Stanford at home without umpiring help, and are barely good enough to scrape past a bad USC team with a terrible head coach tonight. Only fan-boys would think this team is particularly good.
We've had twelve weeks to form our opinions. Woulda coulda shoulda and all that but they were thisclose to losing to Pitt and not being anywhere near the title game picture.
I know *why* they're in the mix. That has nothing to do with whether they *should be* in the mix.
What Sam said. Plus, do you think they are one of the two best teams in the nation? If so, why?
Who cares? That isn't what college football is about. The quality level of college football sucks anyway thus making who is the best team on paper moot. I don't really care which retard does the best on some standardized test.
Because if you agree that they're not one of the two best teams in the nation what the hell are you arguing about?
Because if you agree that they're not one of the two best teams in the nation what the hell are you arguing about?
They are the #1 ranked team in America with a chance to win the National Championship. What the hell are you arguing? Are you arguing for the Ray DiPerna Paper-Fairy Best Team of the Year award for some other team?
You know the answer, it's that they should be neither of those. Now again I ask, what are you arguing?
And sam those grapes must be real sour
Love thee notee dame
Notre Dame's played a better schedule than most contenders (Fla's played a damn good one, but they've had just as many ugly wins as the Irish, plus the loss). And unlike the rest, they haven't lost.
I think Bama will beat them because I think Bama's much better than any of the 0- or 1-loss teams. But there's no absolutely no fact-based case to support the idea that Bama-ND should be a bigger mismatch than Bama-UGA. That Sam is spewing this idiocy is not surprising, cuz that's what he does. That others seem to buy into it is.
shocker, La Tech v SJSU points upon points.
And well no one else won all there games and didnt play a fcs team.
All of you giving nd crap must not understand football. They gave up 9 tds all season thats 12 games
Manti Te'o plays for Notre Dame.
Manti Te'o no ka oi.
Anyone who talks stink about Manti will burn in hell for all eternity.
That is all.
Dude argued, like three days ago, that winning at Mizzou by 20 was the same quality win as beating Stanford at home. I think it is clear he is not to be taken seriously on this subject.
I'm looking forward to the MNC game. Kelly's teams do pretty poorly in bowls, while Saban's excel, so I'm not expecting an upset, but I am curious to see how it will go down. I think ND is a lot better offensively than the score tonight indicates, and if they get better during the off time, they could hang in there.
I've noted multiple times that Oregon is probably the second best team in the country, but don't let facts get in the way of a good rant.
Well, he's Mormon, so at least he's probably not buggering young boys. So I'll give him that.
I love how beating Wake is notably more impressive than beating Georgia Southern in the Irish-boys world.
But but Georgia Southern needed a triple overtime to beat Chattanooga (final record 6-5) and eked out a win against 3-8 Elon.
Wake Forest finished 5-7 and lost 3 games against top 20 ranked teams with two of those losses coming against top 5 teams. Wake Forest lost to only one team that finished with a losing record and that was Maryland which in truth Wake Forest should be embarrassed to have lost that game. But to say Georgia Southern is on par with Wake Forest is to act like an obvious troll.
That's not what I said. I said beating Wake isn't notably more impressive than beating Georgia Southern. Those are not the same things. If Wake played Southern they'd probably win. But neither is going to beat a real D-I program with any sort of frequency.
To sum up:
Wake is better than GSU (either of the GSUs really.)
Wake would beat GSU head to head.
Beating Wake is not more impressive than beating GSU. (Both are merely beating up on opponents who are there for the money game.)
Wake Forest did beat 8-4 North Carolina. If a team can beat a "real D-I program with any sort of frequency" they'd be a ranked team.
If we're a bunch of cheerleaders sitting around the high school cafeteria arguing about who the toughest, most dreamiest senior is, the distinction between "Johnny beat up an 8th grader" and "Jimmy beat up a sixth grader" doesn't really advance either case.
Exactly. No one does. ND played Navy, Purdue, Boston College and Wake Forest. Those four wins are no more impressive than UGA's wins over Buffalo, Florida Atlantic, et al.
Exactly. So why are you arguing that ND shouldn't be in the discussion for the national title besides just doing it to stir up the pot?
You don't seem to be following.
If we're a bunch of cheerleaders sitting around the high school cafeteria arguing about who the toughest, most dreamiest senior is, the distinction between "Johnny beat up an 8th grader" and "Jimmy beat up a sixth grader" doesn't really advance either case.
Except no one is bragging about beating up Wake Forest. You created a strawman (with incorrect conclusions) and went bashing away at it.
Meatwad @1145 "And well no one else won all there games and didnt play a fcs team."
I replied to him @1154, directly quoting the argument I was responding to. That is where Wake was brought up.
You then jumped in, apparently not bothering to read the entire thread.
So, next time, try to keep up before making a fool of yourself like that?
Yes, yes, I will try to keep up with your pretzel logic next time. We wouldn't want too many fools in this discussion, now would we?
ND beat the teams they were supposed to beat and they also beat the teams that were tough opponents. No other team besides Ohio State can say that this year. I'll say it again, ND beat two teams this year that if it hadn't been for ND could have been playing for the title in January. That is something to brag about.
I am certainly not going to suggest that UGA is far better than ND, but playing style differences between Georgia and Notre Dame seem to be a good reason to think that the former has a better chance against 'Bama. I haven't watched that many ND games this year, but they seem to be the same type of team as UA: hard inside running behind a veteran offensive line with a QB that acts as a change of pace rather than a focal point and a defense that completely contains the run with the front 7 but has some holes in the d-backfield. UGA, however, builds its offense around an air attack. If it were some kind of round-robin between the top 8 or 12 teams, I don't think this matters, but in a head to head match-up the dissimilarity of style seems to give UGA a better chance against 'Bama. That is also why, as an (always pessimistic) grad school alum of 'Bama, I'm glad not to be facing Oregon.
Thanks for summing up sec fanboys.
Its gonna be sweet when ND beats whatever team wins the sec intramural game.
The playoff can not get here fast enough.
Again, something similar to that of 'Bama. Mostly soft zone coverage for both teams eliminating big plays but allowing a targeted passer plenty of room. "Some holes" is not equal to "bad" but rather an indicia that the back 4 are not as strong, for either club, as the front 7. ND and 'Bama seem to be close to mirror images of each other. In my biased view, I think UA does each of those things at a slightly higher pitch, but they have very similar styles and game plans. That is why I worry more about the dissimilar approach from UGA (or hypothetically Oregon) because of the match-up potential.
Potential for rising? A loss by Florida State or Nebraska could potentially drop them from the top 16, opening another spot for a non-BCS affiliated conference team.
Potential for falling? Texas defeating K-State could send them past these teams. Potentially the winner of Louisville-Rutgers would be elevated, especially if voters do not want to see one of these teams in a BCS bowl.
This really might come down to the computers. If it does, the winner of Kent State/NIU might be in good shape, as my guess is the computers will favor that team over a Big East team and certainly over Boise State.
Unsurprising: Gene Chizik is out at Auburn. With an investigation looming overhead that is not going to be the most attractive job.
It is as even you have already acknowledged that Wake Forest is better than GSU in your incorrect example.
Just because beating Wake Forest isn't like beating Alabama doesn't make the feat meaningless when compared to playing and beating GSU.
The Harris Poll is almost identical to the Coaches poll. Losses by UCLA and Texas could make this very interesting.
Their defensive backs are extremely good tacklers. They front seven gets a lot of praise (deservedly), but man when a receiver catches a ball against ND, they get very few extra yards.
@1167
K-State will play their 9th bowl eligible opponent next week. (OU and Texas will also play 9 bowl eligible teams._
Oh, Baylor. There is the rub.
ND's defense reminds me a lot of Smith's early Bears defense. In that his defenses were designed to stop the run, prevent the big pass play, and keep receivers from gaining yards after the catch. That kind of defense worries me because, IMO, a good QB with a good strong WR can carve that kind of defense up.
That kid had an arm and there were some passes where if he was further along in his development and or if USC receivers were better Notre Dame would have been in trouble. I don't really think the USC game can count against my view of good QB/good WR carving up that kind of defense.
I think there were several passing plays in that game where you could tell the receivers and QB weren't on the same page.
The top 6 teams in the SEC only lost to each other.
Alabama: 1-1
Georgia: 1-1
Florida: 3-1
South Carolina 1-2
LSU: 2-2
Texas A&M: 1-2
Go irish
They each played 3, beat 2. (Florida played 5 beat 4.)
But, teams of note:
Alabama: Michigan
Georgia: (none)
Florida: Florida State
South Carolina: Clemson
LSU : Washington
Texas A&M: La Tech (if you count them)
Also, it was hard for other teams in the SEC to have winning records when these teams kept beating them.
K-State: Miami
Oklahoma: Notre Dame (loss)
Texas: Ole Miss
Oklahoma State: Arizona (loss)
TCU: Virginia (do they count?)
Texas Tech (none)
Very few teams seem to be playing more than one "real" OOC opponent.
How you do against their offense counts for something. How much exactly is up to you.
Oh god no. 4-8 ACC teams do not count.
Stanford: Notre Dame (loss)
Oregon: (none)
Oregon State: Wisconsin, BYU?
Washington: LSU (loss)
UCLA: Nebraska
USC: Notre Dame (loss), Syracuse?
Arizona State: Missouri (loss)
Arizona: Oklahoma State
Plus there's no more Hope in Purdue. *rimshot*
Interesting note about Colorado:
25 Utah State
28 San Jose State
37 BYU
40 Northern Illinois
There are a bunch more when you get below 40th ranked. So score one for Stanford. On the other hand, I assume they scheduled that game not because they wanted to have a hard schedule, but because it's only 20 miles away.
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