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OT: November College Football Thread.

Alabama Is still Ranked #1.  Will they hold steady to repeat? Make it to the title game?  Or does another team claim the Crystal ball in Miami in January.

Mess with the Meat, you get the Wad! Posted: November 01, 2012 at 01:43 PM | 3408 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1101. DA Baracus Posted: November 25, 2012 at 12:29 AM (#4308979)
Can we just fast forward to when there's a playoff? Because Notre Dame would be out in the first round.
   1102. Mike Webber Posted: November 25, 2012 at 12:30 AM (#4308980)
Congrats to the Irish on their big win against the team in a three-way tie for 5th in the PAC 12
   1103. McCoy Posted: November 25, 2012 at 12:30 AM (#4308981)
Good lord, I am really looking forward to the clowning Notre Dame is going to receive in the title game. How else can you explain that triple OT win over Pitt. WTF were they in triple OT to Pitt in the first place?

Every team in football has at least one game where it simply doesn't work for them. Most years the #1 team is the team that is fortunate enough to still win that game or games.
   1104. McCoy Posted: November 25, 2012 at 12:31 AM (#4308982)
Notre Dame; best team in college football this year or of all time? Discuss.
   1105. Every Inge Counts Posted: November 25, 2012 at 12:32 AM (#4308983)
Notre Dame is probably the 2nd best team in the Big Ten.
   1106. Rickey! On a blog from 1998. With the candlestick. Posted: November 25, 2012 at 12:32 AM (#4308984)
Obviously the Irish fan-boys are going to pull pud over this win, but that's why they're Irish fan boys.
   1107. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: November 25, 2012 at 12:34 AM (#4308986)
I believe Bama is 1-5 vs ND all time, all meetings since 1973. Last meeting in 80s. I remember they actually played in the '75 Orange Bowl, when OU won the AP title while on probation and was ineligible for the Orange Bowl. I think Bama beat ND in Holtz's first season in Birmingham.
   1108. DA Baracus Posted: November 25, 2012 at 12:35 AM (#4308987)
I blame Pitt's kicker. It's all his fault.
   1109. Crosseyed and Painless Posted: November 25, 2012 at 12:35 AM (#4308988)
Just let my Notre Dame alum friend know I'm happy for her. It's easy to lie over text!
   1110. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: November 25, 2012 at 12:35 AM (#4308989)
UGA won their only national title, beating ND in the Sugar Bowl, 17-10.

I don't think they've played aside from that game. (checks: nope).
   1111. Mike Webber Posted: November 25, 2012 at 12:36 AM (#4308990)
Notre Dame; best team in college football this year or of all time? Discuss.

Notre Dame is probably the 2nd best team in the Big Ten.

Maybe tied for 5th in Big 12.
   1112. Rickey! On a blog from 1998. With the candlestick. Posted: November 25, 2012 at 12:38 AM (#4308991)
Just let my Notre Dame alum friend know I'm happy for her.


Why? I assume you're not getting ass out of that deal.
   1113. DA Baracus Posted: November 25, 2012 at 12:41 AM (#4308993)
Now the nation can finally turn it's full attention to the defacto Big East title game.
   1114. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: November 25, 2012 at 12:41 AM (#4308994)
Every team in football has at least one game where it simply doesn't work for them. Most years the #1 team is the team that is fortunate enough to still win that game or games.


but few can match this Oh my Goodness! for your pathway to the title game.
   1115. Spivey Posted: November 25, 2012 at 12:42 AM (#4308995)
Notre Dame is one of the best teams in the country. People can give them #### about how they looked against USC, but they beat them more convincingly than Stanford did and as convincingly as Oregon did. I don't like Notre Dame, and I definitely don't think they're better than Alabama. But the idea that LSU can outplay Bama, A&M can beat Bama at Bama, and ND can't compete at all is BS. ND should probably be about a TD dog and that's about how I'd see it playing out. Which means that an upset can very much happen.
   1116. DA Baracus Posted: November 25, 2012 at 12:44 AM (#4308996)
Notre Dame is one of the best teams in the country. People can give them #### about how they looked against USC, but they beat them more convincingly than Stanford did and as convincingly as Oregon did.


USC had Matt Barkley in those games. Barkley ain't great, but that's still a big loss for them.
   1117. Rickey! On a blog from 1998. With the candlestick. Posted: November 25, 2012 at 12:46 AM (#4308998)
Notre Dame is one of the best teams in the country.


Well, yeah, sure. They're better than Northern Illinois for sure.
   1118. Spivey Posted: November 25, 2012 at 12:48 AM (#4308999)
USC had Matt Barkley in those games. Barkley ain't great, but that's still a big loss for them.


They also beat Stanford (with a questionable call) and beat OU on the road. And beat a few other solid teams. And USC's backup was pretty solid today. I don't disagree with you, but ND is not ####### Ohio State. Ohio State would probably have 3+ losses in the Pac 12, Big 12, and SEC. ND is 4 in the Sagarin rating that includes Margin of Victory. They're really a very similar team to Florida.
   1119. Every Inge Counts Posted: November 25, 2012 at 12:49 AM (#4309001)
is beating USC even considered a big deal?

Notre Dame does have 2 big nice wins-at Oklahoma (even though I don't think Oklahoma is that good) and against Stanford (on an iffy final call). They beat a a solid Michigan team.
   1120. McCoy Posted: November 25, 2012 at 12:49 AM (#4309002)
Notre Dame beat Stanford, Oklahoma, and Michigan. They are a good team.
   1121. Rickey! On a blog from 1998. With the candlestick. Posted: November 25, 2012 at 12:50 AM (#4309003)
Wait, that Michigan team that sucked against OSU is "solid?"
   1122. Rickey! On a blog from 1998. With the candlestick. Posted: November 25, 2012 at 12:51 AM (#4309004)
Notre Dame beat Stanford, Oklahoma, and Michigan. They are a good team.


Sure, they're a good team. They're not a #1 caliber team. There's a difference.
   1123. McCoy Posted: November 25, 2012 at 12:53 AM (#4309005)
Well, we'll find out in 6 weeks or so.
   1124. Rickey! On a blog from 1998. With the candlestick. Posted: November 25, 2012 at 12:56 AM (#4309006)
Well, we'll find out in 6 weeks or so.


We will get a final result in 6 weeks. We already know they aren't good enough to beat Pitt without luck, aren't good enough to beat Stanford at home without umpiring help, and are barely good enough to scrape past a bad USC team with a terrible head coach tonight. Only fan-boys would think this team is particularly good.
   1125. DA Baracus Posted: November 25, 2012 at 12:58 AM (#4309008)
Well, we'll find out in 6 weeks or so.


We've had twelve weeks to form our opinions. Woulda coulda shoulda and all that but they were thisclose to losing to Pitt and not being anywhere near the title game picture.
   1126. McCoy Posted: November 25, 2012 at 01:00 AM (#4309009)
Every single team that has ever won the National Championship has been "this close" to not being anywhere near the title game picture. It is the nature of the beast.
   1127. Rickey! On a blog from 1998. With the candlestick. Posted: November 25, 2012 at 01:04 AM (#4309011)
You're spinning. You know ND has no business in the mix.
   1128. McCoy Posted: November 25, 2012 at 01:05 AM (#4309012)
To argue that ND shouldn't be in the mix is to misunderstand college football entirely and how it works.
   1129. Rickey! On a blog from 1998. With the candlestick. Posted: November 25, 2012 at 01:07 AM (#4309013)
To argue that ND shouldn't be in the mix is to misunderstand college football entirely and how it works.


I know *why* they're in the mix. That has nothing to do with whether they *should be* in the mix.
   1130. clowns to the left of me; STEAGLES to the right Posted: November 25, 2012 at 01:09 AM (#4309014)
To argue that ND shouldn't be in the mix is to misunderstand college football entirely and how it works.
which would you say is a more likely outcome if notre dame and alabama play in the BCS championship: alabama wins by double digits or notre dame crushes them by 30?
   1131. DA Baracus Posted: November 25, 2012 at 01:09 AM (#4309015)
To argue that ND shouldn't be in the mix is to misunderstand college football entirely and how it works.


What Sam said. Plus, do you think they are one of the two best teams in the nation? If so, why?
   1132. McCoy Posted: November 25, 2012 at 01:11 AM (#4309016)
If Stanford had beaten Notre Dame they would probably be playing for the National Championship. If Oklahoma had beaten Notre Dame they would have been a top 5 team with an outside shot at the Championship Game. Notre Dame didn't lose to those teams.
   1133. McCoy Posted: November 25, 2012 at 01:14 AM (#4309018)
What Sam said. Plus, do you think they are one of the two best teams in the nation? If so, why?

Who cares? That isn't what college football is about. The quality level of college football sucks anyway thus making who is the best team on paper moot. I don't really care which retard does the best on some standardized test.
   1134. DA Baracus Posted: November 25, 2012 at 01:14 AM (#4309019)
Who cares?


Because if you agree that they're not one of the two best teams in the nation what the hell are you arguing about?
   1135. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: November 25, 2012 at 01:15 AM (#4309020)
Win a national title than go winless in conference 2 yrs later (AU). Wow, even GT went four years before that happened.
   1136. McCoy Posted: November 25, 2012 at 01:16 AM (#4309021)

Because if you agree that they're not one of the two best teams in the nation what the hell are you arguing about?


They are the #1 ranked team in America with a chance to win the National Championship. What the hell are you arguing? Are you arguing for the Ray DiPerna Paper-Fairy Best Team of the Year award for some other team?
   1137. DA Baracus Posted: November 25, 2012 at 01:18 AM (#4309023)
They are the #1 ranked team in America with a chance to win the National Championship. What the hell are you arguing?


You know the answer, it's that they should be neither of those. Now again I ask, what are you arguing?
   1138. McCoy Posted: November 25, 2012 at 01:28 AM (#4309025)
I just told you.
   1139. hokieneer Posted: November 25, 2012 at 01:29 AM (#4309026)
A ND-Bama game is going to make a lot of people a lot of money. From espn, vegas, merchandise, travel accomodations, secondary ticket market, etc.
   1140. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: November 25, 2012 at 01:40 AM (#4309031)
Just imagine if Notre Dame had beaten USC by 60 points. Sam's opinion of Notre Dame would be exactly the same as it is now, AND he would be making fun of the Pac-12.
   1141. Mess with the Meat, you get the Wad! Posted: November 25, 2012 at 01:50 AM (#4309032)
Not only are they number 1 in the lolls but also number 1 in graduation rate. ND us doing it right.


And sam those grapes must be real sour

Love thee notee dame
   1142. McCoy Posted: November 25, 2012 at 01:51 AM (#4309033)
Or if ND had beaten Pitt by 14 in regular time. It's a bias in search of an opinion that itself is in search of facts. ND has already beaten two teams this year that could have been playing for the national title if it hadn't been for Notre Dame getting in their way. ND deserves to be here about as much as any other team in the top 5 deserves to have a shot at the title.
   1143. SoSH U at work Posted: November 25, 2012 at 01:54 AM (#4309034)
This anti-ND stuff is pure lunacy. The No. 3 team in the country has played two good teams, beating one in a shitfest and getting their asses handed to them in the other. No. 4 needed a last-minute blocked punt to beat a Louisiana school not located in Baton Rouge.

Notre Dame's played a better schedule than most contenders (Fla's played a damn good one, but they've had just as many ugly wins as the Irish, plus the loss). And unlike the rest, they haven't lost.

I think Bama will beat them because I think Bama's much better than any of the 0- or 1-loss teams. But there's no absolutely no fact-based case to support the idea that Bama-ND should be a bigger mismatch than Bama-UGA. That Sam is spewing this idiocy is not surprising, cuz that's what he does. That others seem to buy into it is.

   1144. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: November 25, 2012 at 02:01 AM (#4309037)
ND deserves to be there, I'm not supporting the Sam meme. I just think a UO v Bama, or Bama v UF game would be a game I prefer to see.

shocker, La Tech v SJSU points upon points.
   1145. Mess with the Meat, you get the Wad! Posted: November 25, 2012 at 02:14 AM (#4309038)
As much crap as you want to gibe them for the pitt game remwmber this they won. And ir shouldnt have even gone to overtime.

And well no one else won all there games and didnt play a fcs team.

All of you giving nd crap must not understand football. They gave up 9 tds all season thats 12 games
   1146. hokieneer Posted: November 25, 2012 at 02:31 AM (#4309042)
My preferred nc game is Oregon v. ND. That would put strength v strength. The LOS battles with UO on offense in that game would be great. Given both played Stanford to one poss. its safe to assume it would have been a close game.
   1147. clowns to the left of me; STEAGLES to the right Posted: November 25, 2012 at 02:51 AM (#4309044)
And well no one else won all there games and didnt play a fcs team.
ohio state?
   1148. Srul Itza At Home Posted: November 25, 2012 at 03:22 AM (#4309051)
That has nothing to do with whether they *should be* in the mix.


Manti Te'o plays for Notre Dame.

Manti Te'o no ka oi.

Anyone who talks stink about Manti will burn in hell for all eternity.

That is all.
   1149. Cowboy Popup Posted: November 25, 2012 at 05:17 AM (#4309062)
That Sam is spewing this idiocy is not surprising, cuz that's what he does. That others seem to buy into it is.

Dude argued, like three days ago, that winning at Mizzou by 20 was the same quality win as beating Stanford at home. I think it is clear he is not to be taken seriously on this subject.

I'm looking forward to the MNC game. Kelly's teams do pretty poorly in bowls, while Saban's excel, so I'm not expecting an upset, but I am curious to see how it will go down. I think ND is a lot better offensively than the score tonight indicates, and if they get better during the off time, they could hang in there.
   1150. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: November 25, 2012 at 08:06 AM (#4309072)
Were the Giants the best team in baseball (or football for that matter) last year? Hell no! Every sport is about picking a champion. Picking the best team us for barroom discussion. Notre Dame is probably not one of the two best teams in the country, but they certainly have earned their shot at a championship.
   1151. Rickey! On a blog from 1998. With the candlestick. Posted: November 25, 2012 at 09:40 AM (#4309081)
Well, technically ND has yet to beat Stanford at home. They were simply awarded the win, because, I don't know, gold helmets are hot or something.
   1152. Rickey! On a blog from 1998. With the candlestick. Posted: November 25, 2012 at 09:51 AM (#4309082)
Just imagine if Notre Dame had beaten USC by 60 points. Sam's opinion of Notre Dame would be exactly the same as it is now, AND he would be making fun of the Pac-12.


I've noted multiple times that Oregon is probably the second best team in the country, but don't let facts get in the way of a good rant.
   1153. Rickey! On a blog from 1998. With the candlestick. Posted: November 25, 2012 at 10:56 AM (#4309096)
Anyone who talks stink about Manti will burn in hell for all eternity.


Well, he's Mormon, so at least he's probably not buggering young boys. So I'll give him that.
   1154. Rickey! On a blog from 1998. With the candlestick. Posted: November 25, 2012 at 11:10 AM (#4309100)
And well no one else won all there games and didnt play a fcs team.


I love how beating Wake is notably more impressive than beating Georgia Southern in the Irish-boys world.
   1155. McCoy Posted: November 25, 2012 at 11:36 AM (#4309108)
I love how beating Wake is notably more impressive than beating Georgia Southern in the Irish-boys world.

But but Georgia Southern needed a triple overtime to beat Chattanooga (final record 6-5) and eked out a win against 3-8 Elon.

Wake Forest finished 5-7 and lost 3 games against top 20 ranked teams with two of those losses coming against top 5 teams. Wake Forest lost to only one team that finished with a losing record and that was Maryland which in truth Wake Forest should be embarrassed to have lost that game. But to say Georgia Southern is on par with Wake Forest is to act like an obvious troll.
   1156. Rickey! On a blog from 1998. With the candlestick. Posted: November 25, 2012 at 11:44 AM (#4309112)
But to say Georgia Southern is on par with Wake Forest is to act like an obvious troll.


That's not what I said. I said beating Wake isn't notably more impressive than beating Georgia Southern. Those are not the same things. If Wake played Southern they'd probably win. But neither is going to beat a real D-I program with any sort of frequency.

To sum up:

Wake is better than GSU (either of the GSUs really.)
Wake would beat GSU head to head.
Beating Wake is not more impressive than beating GSU. (Both are merely beating up on opponents who are there for the money game.)
   1157. McCoy Posted: November 25, 2012 at 11:54 AM (#4309113)
If Wake played Southern they'd probably win. But neither is going to beat a real D-I program with any sort of frequency.

Wake Forest did beat 8-4 North Carolina. If a team can beat a "real D-I program with any sort of frequency" they'd be a ranked team.
   1158. McCoy Posted: November 25, 2012 at 11:59 AM (#4309115)
Georgia didn't just play GSU they also played Buffalo, Florida Atlantic, and Kentucky. No college team in the nation plays an entire schedule of real D-I programs.
   1159. Rickey! On a blog from 1998. With the candlestick. Posted: November 25, 2012 at 12:00 PM (#4309116)
You don't seem to be following.

If we're a bunch of cheerleaders sitting around the high school cafeteria arguing about who the toughest, most dreamiest senior is, the distinction between "Johnny beat up an 8th grader" and "Jimmy beat up a sixth grader" doesn't really advance either case.
   1160. Rickey! On a blog from 1998. With the candlestick. Posted: November 25, 2012 at 12:04 PM (#4309117)
No college team in the nation plays an entire schedule of real D-I programs.


Exactly. No one does. ND played Navy, Purdue, Boston College and Wake Forest. Those four wins are no more impressive than UGA's wins over Buffalo, Florida Atlantic, et al.
   1161. McCoy Posted: November 25, 2012 at 12:08 PM (#4309118)
Exactly. No one does. ND played Navy, Purdue, Boston College and Wake Forest. Those four wins are no more impressive than UGA's wins over Buffalo, Florida Atlantic, et al.

Exactly. So why are you arguing that ND shouldn't be in the discussion for the national title besides just doing it to stir up the pot?

You don't seem to be following.

If we're a bunch of cheerleaders sitting around the high school cafeteria arguing about who the toughest, most dreamiest senior is, the distinction between "Johnny beat up an 8th grader" and "Jimmy beat up a sixth grader" doesn't really advance either case.


Except no one is bragging about beating up Wake Forest. You created a strawman (with incorrect conclusions) and went bashing away at it.
   1162. Rickey! On a blog from 1998. With the candlestick. Posted: November 25, 2012 at 12:12 PM (#4309120)
Except no one is bragging about beating up Wake Forest. You created a strawman (with incorrect conclusions) and went bashing away at it.


Meatwad @1145 "And well no one else won all there games and didnt play a fcs team."

I replied to him @1154, directly quoting the argument I was responding to. That is where Wake was brought up.

You then jumped in, apparently not bothering to read the entire thread.

So, next time, try to keep up before making a fool of yourself like that?
   1163. McCoy Posted: November 25, 2012 at 12:31 PM (#4309124)
So meatwad saying that ND won all their games and didn't play a FCS team is now somehow in your strawman argument means that he was explicitly bragging about ND beating Wake Forest and that Wake Forest was a great team?

Yes, yes, I will try to keep up with your pretzel logic next time. We wouldn't want too many fools in this discussion, now would we?

ND beat the teams they were supposed to beat and they also beat the teams that were tough opponents. No other team besides Ohio State can say that this year. I'll say it again, ND beat two teams this year that if it hadn't been for ND could have been playing for the title in January. That is something to brag about.
   1164. dlf Posted: November 25, 2012 at 01:15 PM (#4309144)
I think Bama will beat them because I think Bama's much better than any of the 0- or 1-loss teams. But there's no absolutely no fact-based case to support the idea that Bama-ND should be a bigger mismatch than Bama-UGA.


I am certainly not going to suggest that UGA is far better than ND, but playing style differences between Georgia and Notre Dame seem to be a good reason to think that the former has a better chance against 'Bama. I haven't watched that many ND games this year, but they seem to be the same type of team as UA: hard inside running behind a veteran offensive line with a QB that acts as a change of pace rather than a focal point and a defense that completely contains the run with the front 7 but has some holes in the d-backfield. UGA, however, builds its offense around an air attack. If it were some kind of round-robin between the top 8 or 12 teams, I don't think this matters, but in a head to head match-up the dissimilarity of style seems to give UGA a better chance against 'Bama. That is also why, as an (always pessimistic) grad school alum of 'Bama, I'm glad not to be facing Oregon.
   1165. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: November 25, 2012 at 01:20 PM (#4309150)
If we're a bunch of cheerleaders sitting around the high school cafeteria arguing about who the toughest, most dreamiest senior is

Thanks for summing up sec fanboys.

Its gonna be sweet when ND beats whatever team wins the sec intramural game.
   1166. Mess with the Meat, you get the Wad! Posted: November 25, 2012 at 01:39 PM (#4309158)
dlf, I would say that ND's secondary while giving up yards isnt bad. they play to give up the underneath and limit the big play. they also do a good job of tackling in the open field. IF they they were to play Georgia they would win easy
   1167. DA Baracus Posted: November 25, 2012 at 01:49 PM (#4309165)
That game last night was completely unimpressive. I let that and my preference to see Alabama vs Oregon cloud my opinion. Last week I thought Notre Dame was worth a BCS title game slot, one mediocre game against a bad team doesn't change that. They've played a deeper schedule than anyone else (9 bowl eligible teams) and finished undefeated. I think Alabama is a superior team but if Notre Dame plays to the level of their opposition like they have half of the year (six of their wins are by 10 points or less), it could be a really good game. I just assume Alabama will beat Georgia. Because they will.

The playoff can not get here fast enough.
   1168. dlf Posted: November 25, 2012 at 01:53 PM (#4309168)
dlf, I would say that ND's secondary while giving up yards isnt bad. they play to give up the underneath and limit the big play.


Again, something similar to that of 'Bama. Mostly soft zone coverage for both teams eliminating big plays but allowing a targeted passer plenty of room. "Some holes" is not equal to "bad" but rather an indicia that the back 4 are not as strong, for either club, as the front 7. ND and 'Bama seem to be close to mirror images of each other. In my biased view, I think UA does each of those things at a slightly higher pitch, but they have very similar styles and game plans. That is why I worry more about the dissimilar approach from UGA (or hypothetically Oregon) because of the match-up potential.

   1169. AuntBea Posted: November 25, 2012 at 02:21 PM (#4309175)
Boise 15, Kent 18, Northern Illinois 19 in the latest Coaches Poll. The winner of that Mid-America championship has the potential to pass Boise for 15. UCLA is at 16 and likely falls with a loss.

Potential for rising? A loss by Florida State or Nebraska could potentially drop them from the top 16, opening another spot for a non-BCS affiliated conference team.

Potential for falling? Texas defeating K-State could send them past these teams. Potentially the winner of Louisville-Rutgers would be elevated, especially if voters do not want to see one of these teams in a BCS bowl.

This really might come down to the computers. If it does, the winner of Kent State/NIU might be in good shape, as my guess is the computers will favor that team over a Big East team and certainly over Boise State.
   1170. Cowboy Popup Posted: November 25, 2012 at 02:25 PM (#4309178)
Tom O'Brien got fired at NC State. Didn't see that coming.
   1171. DA Baracus Posted: November 25, 2012 at 02:55 PM (#4309191)
O'Brien news is surprising.

Unsurprising: Gene Chizik is out at Auburn. With an investigation looming overhead that is not going to be the most attractive job.
   1172. Rickey! On a blog from 1998. With the candlestick. Posted: November 25, 2012 at 04:02 PM (#4309208)
The implicit argument of "no FCS schools" is that beating Wake (8th grader) is more impressive than beating GSU (6th grader).
   1173. Mess with the Meat, you get the Wad! Posted: November 25, 2012 at 05:24 PM (#4309225)
Sam its not worth arguing with you any more on this. Just enjoy watching them play in the title game.
   1174. McCoy Posted: November 25, 2012 at 05:39 PM (#4309227)
The implicit argument of "no FCS schools" is that beating Wake (8th grader) is more impressive than beating GSU (6th grader).

It is as even you have already acknowledged that Wake Forest is better than GSU in your incorrect example.

Just because beating Wake Forest isn't like beating Alabama doesn't make the feat meaningless when compared to playing and beating GSU.
   1175. AuntBea Posted: November 25, 2012 at 05:58 PM (#4309232)
12. Florida State
13. Nebraska
14. Clemson
15. Oregon State
16. UCLA
17. Boise State
18. Kent State
19. Northern Illinois
20. Texas
21. Northwestern
22. Utah State
23. Michigan
24. Louisville
25. Oklahoma State


The Harris Poll is almost identical to the Coaches poll. Losses by UCLA and Texas could make this very interesting.
   1176. AuntBea Posted: November 25, 2012 at 10:04 PM (#4309351)
I sure hope the voters don't renege on their Kent State/Northern Illinois votes, if UCLA and Texas lose next weekend. I would love to see a Mid-America team up against Florida State.
   1177. Mike Webber Posted: November 25, 2012 at 10:30 PM (#4309370)
@1166
they also do a good job of tackling in the open field


Their defensive backs are extremely good tacklers. They front seven gets a lot of praise (deservedly), but man when a receiver catches a ball against ND, they get very few extra yards.

@1167
They've (ND) played a deeper schedule than anyone else (9 bowl eligible teams)

K-State will play their 9th bowl eligible opponent next week. (OU and Texas will also play 9 bowl eligible teams._

and finished undefeated.


Oh, Baylor. There is the rub.



   1178. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: November 25, 2012 at 10:42 PM (#4309376)
This is apropos of not very much, but Michigan is 8-4, and the combined record of its opponents in the four losses is 45-3.
   1179. McCoy Posted: November 25, 2012 at 10:47 PM (#4309383)
Their defensive backs are extremely good tacklers. They front seven gets a lot of praise (deservedly), but man when a receiver catches a ball against ND, they get very few extra yards.

ND's defense reminds me a lot of Smith's early Bears defense. In that his defenses were designed to stop the run, prevent the big pass play, and keep receivers from gaining yards after the catch. That kind of defense worries me because, IMO, a good QB with a good strong WR can carve that kind of defense up.
   1180. Mess with the Meat, you get the Wad! Posted: November 25, 2012 at 10:51 PM (#4309386)
But i dont think amy sec team can do that. Even though it was his first start nd limoted usc's receivers
   1181. McCoy Posted: November 25, 2012 at 10:54 PM (#4309388)
But i dont think amy sec team can do that. Even though it was his first start nd limoted usc's receivers

That kid had an arm and there were some passes where if he was further along in his development and or if USC receivers were better Notre Dame would have been in trouble. I don't really think the USC game can count against my view of good QB/good WR carving up that kind of defense.
   1182. Mess with the Meat, you get the Wad! Posted: November 25, 2012 at 10:58 PM (#4309389)
They are the best wr combo in the nation. But yeah if its barkley i dont know how the game goes. Perhaps nd is less conservative in there play calling in the red zone.
   1183. McCoy Posted: November 25, 2012 at 11:04 PM (#4309394)
They are the best wr combo in the nation. But yeah if its barkley i dont know how the game goes. Perhaps nd is less conservative in there play calling in the red zone.

I think there were several passing plays in that game where you could tell the receivers and QB weren't on the same page.
   1184. AuntBea Posted: November 26, 2012 at 12:04 AM (#4309427)
This is apropos of not very much, but Michigan is 8-4, and the combined record of its opponents in the four losses is 45-3.


The top 6 teams in the SEC only lost to each other.

Alabama: 1-1
Georgia: 1-1
Florida: 3-1

South Carolina 1-2
LSU: 2-2
Texas A&M: 1-2
   1185. Mess with the Meat, you get the Wad! Posted: November 26, 2012 at 12:35 AM (#4309441)
But who didbthey play ooc?
   1186. McCoy Posted: November 26, 2012 at 12:37 AM (#4309444)
Alabama only played 2 teams in the SEC with a winning record and so did Georgia? That's absurd. Yet Florida which played just as tougher or tougher schedule is ranked below them because they had the misfortune of losing one of their games against Georgia?
   1187. Mess with the Meat, you get the Wad! Posted: November 26, 2012 at 12:40 AM (#4309448)
The polls are a joke. Previous seasons have shown itm sadly this year is the same. Also sam i hope we play georiga so its a blow out amd finally shut you up.

Go irish
   1188. DA Baracus Posted: November 26, 2012 at 12:44 AM (#4309451)
Alabama only played 2 teams in the SEC with a winning record and so did Georgia?


They each played 3, beat 2. (Florida played 5 beat 4.)
   1189. AuntBea Posted: November 26, 2012 at 12:51 AM (#4309458)
It's somewhat silly to worry too much about whom individual teams played out of conference, when determining the strength of the conference as a whole. Wins over conference teams that have also played well out of conference are very significant.

But, teams of note:

Alabama: Michigan
Georgia: (none)
Florida: Florida State

South Carolina: Clemson
LSU : Washington
Texas A&M: La Tech (if you count them)

Also, it was hard for other teams in the SEC to have winning records when these teams kept beating them.

   1190. Tripon Posted: November 26, 2012 at 12:57 AM (#4309462)
Can college football finally stop sucking on the teat of the SEC?
   1191. AuntBea Posted: November 26, 2012 at 01:04 AM (#4309466)
Compare that to Big-12 OOC games

K-State: Miami
Oklahoma: Notre Dame (loss)
Texas: Ole Miss
Oklahoma State: Arizona (loss)
TCU: Virginia (do they count?)
Texas Tech (none)

Very few teams seem to be playing more than one "real" OOC opponent.
   1192. DA Baracus Posted: November 26, 2012 at 01:07 AM (#4309468)
La Tech (if you count them)


How you do against their offense counts for something. How much exactly is up to you.

Virginia (do they count?)


Oh god no. 4-8 ACC teams do not count.
   1193. AuntBea Posted: November 26, 2012 at 01:10 AM (#4309471)
Pac-12

Stanford: Notre Dame (loss)
Oregon: (none)
Oregon State: Wisconsin, BYU?
Washington: LSU (loss)
UCLA: Nebraska
USC: Notre Dame (loss), Syracuse?
Arizona State: Missouri (loss)
Arizona: Oklahoma State
   1194. AuntBea Posted: November 26, 2012 at 01:13 AM (#4309472)
The point is, almost none of these teams has more than one good OOC opponent. It's pretty hard to get worked up about the SEC's "soft" schedules. On the other hand, if Georgia goes to the title game without playing an excellent game against Alabama, I won't be particularly happy, because they might be the weakest of the top 6 SEC teams.
   1195. AuntBea Posted: November 26, 2012 at 01:15 AM (#4309476)
The real legitimate complaint is that the SEC only schedules 8 games in conference. That really should be changed to 9, like the other decent conferences, unless they schedule a few more tough OOC opponents. Perhaps then we could have seem a more fully tested Georgia and Alabama before this SEC championship.
   1196. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: November 26, 2012 at 01:15 AM (#4309477)
Wave of firings today. Auburn canned Gene Chizik, NC State fired Tom O'Brien, Boston College fired Frank Spaziani and Colorado fired Jon Embree. I was a little surprised that CU fired Embree, if only because that athletic department has no money and I thought they might try to limp through another year under the "two seasons isn't enough to judge" standard.
   1197. AuntBea Posted: November 26, 2012 at 01:17 AM (#4309480)
Stanford also beat San Jose State. Do you count them?
   1198. DA Baracus Posted: November 26, 2012 at 01:19 AM (#4309482)
Wave of firings today.


Plus there's no more Hope in Purdue. *rimshot*

Interesting note about Colorado:

After Embree met with his former players in a team meeting late Sunday afternoon, [Athletic Director] Bohn addressed the Buffs. The AD proceeded to give almost the exact same speech to the players that he had delivered after he fired Dan Hawkins two years ago, according to a source. While Bohn tried to answer some of their questions, a few players walked out of the meeting, the source said.
   1199. SoSH U at work Posted: November 26, 2012 at 01:19 AM (#4309484)
Michigan and Michigan State played two very good teams OOC (ND for each, plus Bama and Boise). Of course, they went 1-3, and played zero very good teams during the conference portion of the schedule.
   1200. AuntBea Posted: November 26, 2012 at 01:26 AM (#4309492)
Sagarin has these teams as the highest outside of the major conferences plus Notre Dame

25 Utah State
28 San Jose State
37 BYU
40 Northern Illinois

There are a bunch more when you get below 40th ranked. So score one for Stanford. On the other hand, I assume they scheduled that game not because they wanted to have a hard schedule, but because it's only 20 miles away.



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