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Oh, I know that.
<I>winning wasn't a 'must', so keep the offense stripped down to the very basics and save the good stuff for the championship game
I'd rather have won one or both of their last two games and have more momentum.
he doesn't believe in momentum and in that respect i agree with him
ok, that's a tremendous run
Absolutely, but one tends to get in an overstating kind of mood during a five game losing streak and Kansas was competitive in a few Big 12 games this year. Fortunately they were motivated today.
you hate to suggest it but boy it sure looks like nebraska has given up on defense
I think just about everyone is aware of it. I think that's one of the things he is known for. At least until he becomes the first coach to lockdown a BCS bowl bid with five losses.
i thought one of those big east teams went to the sugar bowl with 5 losses
Harveys,
UConn had 4 the year it went to the Fiesta. I'm pretty sure that's the worst the conference ever did.
No. 14 Florida State (9–4, ACC champion) 13
2005–06 season
No. 22 Florida State (8–4, ACC champion) 23 (3 OT)
2008–09 season
No. 19 Virginia Tech (9–4, ACC champion)
2010–11 season
Connecticut (8–4, Big East Champion) 20
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowl_Championship_Series
If you had to listen to Bo Pelini's mouth Harvey you would want to cheap shot someone too.
I've seen where the Huskies are still considered a long shot, but why is that? 16-17-18 all lost, and they're close enough to 19-20 that a win over 17 would seem likely to push NIU past them. Is UCLA expected to stay ahead of them since its loss was to Stanford?
Short answer: probably yes.
Many of the computer polls will keep them above NIU, so that might be a wash. Which means it comes down to the voters. If they keep UCLA ahead of NIU, I think NIU loses out. Also, I don't think it's possible for Nebraska to fall below NIU: computers have them too high.
I was just pointing out that most of the arguments for the SEC being so good are just . . . that the SEC is so good.
But UCLA can't go to a BCS game, can it? Aren't conferences limited to 2?
Is this one of those? SEC is 9-1 in BCS championship, 16-7 in BCS play (most wins, highest win pct), and has never lost a BCS championship to another conference.
UCLA's not a threat to go to a BCS game. Their position can only prevent NIU from taking the spot likely going to Oklahoma (by keeping the Huskies out of the Top 16).
Here's another; watch the damned games. Any observer could tell the difference in speed of game and play between the SEC Championship and the other conference championship games. The SEC was playing at NFL speed. I'm sorry if that hurts the feelings of fans of other programs, but it's just true.
I think the speed is one thing-the defensive lines are the biggest advantage the SEC has over the other leagues.
"I'm not downgrading any of the other leagues, but you take a look at some of the other leagues and you say, 'My goodness, that's slow football,'" John L. Smith said. "From the sideline sometimes, you're saying 'OK, we've got a hole and we're going to get 7-10 (yards).' And you look back and you've got 2-3, just because it's a faster game."
"The defensive lines, that's the difference in playing in this league and these other leagues you watch on TV," Muschamp said. "I know y'all like all these points being scored, but the quarterback won't make it through the game and the season in our league."
"(The speed) was overwhelming, especially if you're not used to it," Malzahn said. "It's just a different game as far as the speed factor is concerned."
I'm all for conferences sharing bowl revenue. But it seems to me the participating school should have heir expenses covered before the profit is split up. It's ridiculous to do it any other way.
from the article:
And they lost money? Imagine.
The best d-lineman in pro football -- Wisconsin's JJ Watt -- just got his 15.5th sack of the year. How's it working out for Glenn Dorsey, Derrick Harvey, and Nick Fairley?
And expanding our sample to all SEC games against other BCS competition in the BCS era, the SEC is 152-130. That's still good, even if we discount the advantage they have in bowl games. It may even be the best of the conferences. But a 54% win pct isn't so overwhelming that we can just throw up our hands and call it insurmountable.
I'm not saying the SEC isn't the best conference, but the arguments for it frequently are
The SEC homers act as if no one has a chance against them, with arguments such as "so and so would be a .500 team in the SEC, Mississippi would easily win the X conference". Then when Utah beats Alabama the game is almost seemingly erased from the record books. I'm not arguing that the SEC isn't good. I'm arguing that the SEC isn't so good that we can say
While we are cherry picking, the league leader in sacks is linebacker Aldon Smith. He went to Missouri, definitively proving that, until last year, the best conference in the country was the Big 12, but now it's the SEC.
I actually think comparing most bowl games is silly, anyway, since quite a few teams mail it in. It's nice to have the extra practice, but some teams definitively take the foot off the pedal for them.
One guy in the NFL supersedes the depth of talent in a college conference? Interesting logic.
Plus, I don't see a conference obviously better - I could make an argument for Oregon or Stanford winning the SEC, but the top half of the SEC seems better than the top half of other conferences.
At least pro production is a somewhat objective standard, as opposed to "How copiously does Gary Danielson jizz over a guy?" Yeah, by that standard, the SEC has great defensive linemen.
You know, I might. I work at Stanford and several people here have season tickets but might not go to Pasadena. You willing to pay Market price? (I don't know what that is). Send me an email (should be linked)
The discussion is which college conference has better talent. Using only NFL production is a very narrow way to look at it.
My assumption is that when they cut the chaff out they go to 4x16 and the conference championship is essentially the first round of playoffs.
Obviously this means that either the ACC or the B12 is folded into the other conferences. Note that Oregon 2012 utterly screwed by this (because they lost to Stanford!). However, the presumption is that with tougher interconference schedules Oregon would have a better chance to get separation (assuming they are, in fact, better than Stanford). Similar with Florida
e-mail sent.
Sure, but tossing out look at J.J. Watt is kind of missing the point of the comment. SEC DLs are good and deep. And I used a quote from Will Muschamp a guy who has coached in multiple conferences and in the NFL...but yes J.J. Watt invalidates everything.
Alabama is the best and healthiest program in the country right now, by a fair margin. That they happen to be in the SEC is the main advantage or calling card of the SEC IMO.
Is a conference really that good if a freshman playing for a so-so Big 12 team in its 1st year in the conference breaks the conference record for total offense? And beats the conference champ?
Syracuse has officially accepted the Pinstripe bowl which means Pitt is going to the BBVA Compass bowl.
SO the worst possible scenario for WVU is possible, playing in the Pinstripe bowl against some BE not named Pitt.
For the third year in the row.
That's a huge understatement. My wife and I are not normally the type of fans to travel to bowl games, and we really don't have the disposable money this year, but all day we had been talking about trying to scrape up the money to go to NYC to watch WVU play Pitt and maybe staying for the whole touristy New Years Eve time square stuff. Trying to make the best lemonade possible from this lemon of a season. We will not be going to watch WVU play 'Cuse.
And I'm sure ESPN would much rather have a renewed Backyard Brawl in NYS for their telecast. I mean what little hype you can generate for a lower level bowl would already be done for you. Pitt don't travel well at all, but I know WVU could have easily sent 25-30K fans to NYC for a Brawl matchup. The WVU turnout and excitement is going to be much much lower for a matchup against Syracuse. Of course you have to factor in the Syracuse fans excitement, but I think the aggregate turnout and TV audience would be higher for a WVU/Pitt as opposed to a WVU/Cuse (Blue/Gold glasses in full effect on that statement).
Why?
Pretty much this is why. Just seems like more of a novelty, which is all these bowls are anyway. I'm sure OU is a better football team than NIU.
Purdue-Okie State. LOL! Should be another B1G bowl season.
Jokes aside, Texas A&M-OU.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/coaches-poll12
James Franklin has Notre Dame at #4
Dana Holgorsen has Oregon at #8
Bob Stoops put Northern Illinois at #24
Cotton Bowl could have been UT vs A&M, but OU vs A&M is pretty good.
Chick Fil A Clemson vs LSU - should be a good matchup
Cap 1 - Georgia vs Nub - of course I like watching NU lose so...
Stanford -5.5 vs Wisconsin
Georgia -10.5 vs Nebraska
South Carolina -5.5 vs Michigan
Northwestern -1 vs Mississippi State
Oklahoma State -18 vs Purdue
TCU -4 vs Michigan State
Texas Tech -15 vs Minnesota
Gotta be OU-A&M. The idea of Nebraska-Georgia is appealing in the "classic programs that hardly ever play each other" sense, but I don't see it being a great game. Would please me greatly if Pelini used the break to get a new D-coordinator.
As other people have mentioned several times, if you want to watch the very best teams play, you should be watching the NFL. (I was never reminded of this fact more than when I turned on the Notre Dame/Pitt game for the 4th quarter and overtime.)
Not that it would completely correct it, but coaches should not be allowed to vote for themselves.
fun tweet I just saw
Isaac Ropp ?@iropp
@SBRadio Two double-digit BCS title game underdogs: Oklahoma to Fla St in 2000 & Ohio St to Miami in '02. Both won outright.
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also I think I saw that Northern Illinois avgd 16,000 fans this season but has to get their fans to buy... 17,000 Orange Bowl tickets.
He had KSU 11 and Stanford 12. Couple other coaches - including Franklin - had Stanford 12.
It'll be fun to see Charlie Strong again, though.
Try to sell that argument to in Kansas City to people that watch K-State on Saturdays never turn over the ball or get penalties, who then have to watch the Chiefs on Sunday. :)
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