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OT: November College Football Thread.

Alabama Is still Ranked #1.  Will they hold steady to repeat? Make it to the title game?  Or does another team claim the Crystal ball in Miami in January.

Mess with the Meat, you get the Wad! Posted: November 01, 2012 at 01:43 PM | 3408 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1601. Rickey! On a blog from 1998. With the candlestick. Posted: December 01, 2012 at 11:36 PM (#4314335)
Georgia beat Florida and damned near beat Alabama. I don't know why they should get the lower bowl bid, just because they had the audacity to play in the SEC CG.
   1602. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: December 01, 2012 at 11:37 PM (#4314336)
the wisky head coach is known to be a jerk who likes to play around the edge of the rules.<I>

Oh, I know that.

<I>winning wasn't a 'must', so keep the offense stripped down to the very basics and save the good stuff for the championship game


I'd rather have won one or both of their last two games and have more momentum.

   1603. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: December 01, 2012 at 11:39 PM (#4314337)
barry

he doesn't believe in momentum and in that respect i agree with him

ok, that's a tremendous run
   1604. Rickey! On a blog from 1998. With the candlestick. Posted: December 01, 2012 at 11:40 PM (#4314338)
Why isn't the stiff-arm to the facemask a penalty?
   1605. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: December 01, 2012 at 11:41 PM (#4314340)
I will point out, as a "by the way," that the concerns over West Virginia losing to Kansas were mildly overstated, as I said at the time.
   1606. Forsch 10 From Navarone (Dayn) Posted: December 01, 2012 at 11:42 PM (#4314341)
Hoo boy. This keeps getting uglier.
   1607. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: December 01, 2012 at 11:45 PM (#4314342)
the nebraska offensive line is holding 11 of wisconsin on almost every pass play and the pass rush is still in the qb's face.
   1608. Cowboy Popup Posted: December 01, 2012 at 11:46 PM (#4314343)
I will point out, as a "by the way," that the concerns over West Virginia losing to Kansas were mildly overstated, as I said at the time.

Absolutely, but one tends to get in an overstating kind of mood during a five game losing streak and Kansas was competitive in a few Big 12 games this year. Fortunately they were motivated today.
   1609. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: December 01, 2012 at 11:47 PM (#4314344)
for those not aware the wisconsin coach likes to run up the score so don't be surprised if the badgers keep pouring it on
   1610. Forsch 10 From Navarone (Dayn) Posted: December 01, 2012 at 11:50 PM (#4314346)
It's a win-win for Bielema because he can just go off-tackle the rest of the night and run up the score while not appearing to be trying to run up the score.
   1611. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: December 01, 2012 at 11:50 PM (#4314347)
can't blame that on wisconsin.

you hate to suggest it but boy it sure looks like nebraska has given up on defense
   1612. Cowboy Popup Posted: December 01, 2012 at 11:50 PM (#4314348)
for those not aware the wisconsin coach likes to run up the score so don't be surprised if the badgers keep pouring it on

I think just about everyone is aware of it. I think that's one of the things he is known for. At least until he becomes the first coach to lockdown a BCS bowl bid with five losses.
   1613. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: December 01, 2012 at 11:51 PM (#4314349)
wisconsin has 454 yards rushing?
   1614. Every Inge Counts Posted: December 01, 2012 at 11:53 PM (#4314350)
Got a ball game in the ACC Title game...21-15 Florida State with about 6 minutes to go. Florida State ball.
   1615. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: December 01, 2012 at 11:55 PM (#4314352)
cowboy

i thought one of those big east teams went to the sugar bowl with 5 losses
   1616. Cowboy Popup Posted: December 01, 2012 at 11:58 PM (#4314355)
i thought one of those big east teams went to the sugar bowl with 5 losses

Harveys,

UConn had 4 the year it went to the Fiesta. I'm pretty sure that's the worst the conference ever did.
   1617. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: December 02, 2012 at 12:04 AM (#4314357)
2002–03 season
No. 14 Florida State (9–4, ACC champion) 13
2005–06 season
No. 22 Florida State (8–4, ACC champion) 23 (3 OT)
2008–09 season
No. 19 Virginia Tech (9–4, ACC champion)
2010–11 season
Connecticut (8–4, Big East Champion) 20

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowl_Championship_Series
   1618. Cowboy Popup Posted: December 02, 2012 at 12:04 AM (#4314358)
Well, GA Tech has 2:17 to absolutely ruin the Orange Bowl and embarrass the ACC. LET'S GO YELLOW JACKETS!
   1619. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: December 02, 2012 at 12:05 AM (#4314359)
K-State just ran an option play that ended with Klein throwing a forward pass to the pitch man four yards beyond the line of scrimmage.
   1620. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: December 02, 2012 at 12:06 AM (#4314360)
other than tackling martinez the wisconsin defense has done a solid job
   1621. Cowboy Popup Posted: December 02, 2012 at 12:13 AM (#4314361)
FSU pick. Ah well, it was interesting for a minute or two, which makes it like the best ACC championship game ever.
   1622. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: December 02, 2012 at 12:15 AM (#4314363)
no idea where this stuff is coming from. wisconsin plays tough but no idea why the defense is taking cheap shots
   1623. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: December 02, 2012 at 12:28 AM (#4314368)
as an old defense guy i am flabbergasted that nebraska cannot contain a simple end around
   1624. Mike Webber Posted: December 02, 2012 at 12:29 AM (#4314369)
no idea where this stuff is coming from. wisconsin plays tough but no idea why the defense is taking cheap shots

If you had to listen to Bo Pelini's mouth Harvey you would want to cheap shot someone too.
   1625. Jay Z Posted: December 02, 2012 at 12:37 AM (#4314375)
There is no running up the score in the Wiscy game. Badgers haven't even thrown a pass in the second half. They even only ran the end around once, even though it goes for 50 yards a crack. Cornhusker D is so bad, how can you not score unless you fall on the ball.
   1626. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: December 02, 2012 at 12:42 AM (#4314379)
if i were to explain how this game happened i would say it's a combination of wisconsin finally being healthy on both sides of the line and nebraska having the worst defensive gameplan/effort that i have seen in the big ten in a long, long time (glenn mason exception applies of course)
   1627. Mess with the Meat, you get the Wad! Posted: December 02, 2012 at 12:46 AM (#4314381)
I will be putting 100 on nd if the spread is a td or more. I am excited to see this game played
   1628. Cowboy Popup Posted: December 02, 2012 at 12:49 AM (#4314383)
Maybe Beilma really wants Northern Illinois to make a BCS game?
   1629. Jay Z Posted: December 02, 2012 at 01:10 AM (#4314392)
MVP of the Wiscy game was Montee Ball. He ran 21 for 202 and 3 TDs. He didn't lead the team in rushing yards (Melvin Gordon, 9-216, mostly on end arounds), or rushing TDs (James White had 4, plus a passing TD.) LOL.
   1630. SoSH U at work Posted: December 02, 2012 at 01:22 AM (#4314403)
Maybe Beilma really wants Northern Illinois to make a BCS game?


I've seen where the Huskies are still considered a long shot, but why is that? 16-17-18 all lost, and they're close enough to 19-20 that a win over 17 would seem likely to push NIU past them. Is UCLA expected to stay ahead of them since its loss was to Stanford?
   1631. spike Posted: December 02, 2012 at 03:55 AM (#4314436)
Opening spread is Alabama between 7 and 10. I guess we'll just see if that's free money or not.
   1632. AuntBea Posted: December 02, 2012 at 04:17 AM (#4314440)

I've seen where the Huskies are still considered a long shot, but why is that? 16-17-18 all lost, and they're close enough to 19-20 that a win over 17 would seem likely to push NIU past them. Is UCLA expected to stay ahead of them since its loss was to Stanford?


Short answer: probably yes.

Many of the computer polls will keep them above NIU, so that might be a wash. Which means it comes down to the voters. If they keep UCLA ahead of NIU, I think NIU loses out. Also, I don't think it's possible for Nebraska to fall below NIU: computers have them too high.
   1633. cmd600 Posted: December 02, 2012 at 04:17 AM (#4314441)
1590 - I'm not saying the SEC hasn't put out deserving champions. Just that the rest of the conference rides coattails well. The SEC is all of 19-19 against the Big Ten in bowl games in the BCS era despite playing de facto home games. They've got good teams but way too many people blindly follow Gary Danielson's drivel. Does he still think ND doesn't belong in the MNC because conference championships are so important? Except, of course, when it applies to SEC teams.

I was just pointing out that most of the arguments for the SEC being so good are just . . . that the SEC is so good.
   1634. AuntBea Posted: December 02, 2012 at 04:39 AM (#4314446)
Looking at it more closely, I think UCLA will have a slight lead in the computer polls after these games. The voters have every excuse they need to rank UCLA higher,and I think they probably will.
   1635. Every Inge Counts Posted: December 02, 2012 at 10:50 AM (#4314495)
So if we had a playoff this year would it really be Notre Dame-Alabama-Florida-Oregon. That would have been hilarious.
   1636. They paved Misirlou, put up a parking lot Posted: December 02, 2012 at 10:56 AM (#4314499)
Looking at it more closely, I think UCLA will have a slight lead in the computer polls after these games. The voters have every excuse they need to rank UCLA higher,and I think they probably will.


But UCLA can't go to a BCS game, can it? Aren't conferences limited to 2?
   1637. spike Posted: December 02, 2012 at 11:15 AM (#4314509)
I was just pointing out that most of the arguments for the SEC being so good are just . . . that the SEC is so good.

Is this one of those? SEC is 9-1 in BCS championship, 16-7 in BCS play (most wins, highest win pct), and has never lost a BCS championship to another conference.

   1638. SoSH U at work Posted: December 02, 2012 at 11:20 AM (#4314512)
But UCLA can't go to a BCS game, can it? Aren't conferences limited to 2?


UCLA's not a threat to go to a BCS game. Their position can only prevent NIU from taking the spot likely going to Oklahoma (by keeping the Huskies out of the Top 16).

   1639. Rickey! On a blog from 1998. With the candlestick. Posted: December 02, 2012 at 11:58 AM (#4314526)
Is this one of those? SEC is 9-1 in BCS championship, 16-7 in BCS play (most wins, highest win pct), and has never lost a BCS championship to another conference.


Here's another; watch the damned games. Any observer could tell the difference in speed of game and play between the SEC Championship and the other conference championship games. The SEC was playing at NFL speed. I'm sorry if that hurts the feelings of fans of other programs, but it's just true.
   1640. McCoy Posted: December 02, 2012 at 01:02 PM (#4314551)
Unless you are there in person for the games you can't really say the quality and speed is better or worse in one game over another. TV simply doesn't provide the proper amount of information to make this call.
   1641. Mess with the Meat, you get the Wad! Posted: December 02, 2012 at 01:10 PM (#4314558)
is it just me or do Mark May and Lou Holtz look like there having a lot of fun every time they argue about nd
   1642. DA Baracus Posted: December 02, 2012 at 01:12 PM (#4314559)
It's probably just you because I am assuming none of us watch Mark May and Lou Holtz.
   1643. Every Inge Counts Posted: December 02, 2012 at 01:12 PM (#4314560)
Unless you are there in person for the games you can't really say the quality and speed is better or worse in one game over another. TV simply doesn't provide the proper amount of information to make this call.


I think the speed is one thing-the defensive lines are the biggest advantage the SEC has over the other leagues.

"I'm not downgrading any of the other leagues, but you take a look at some of the other leagues and you say, 'My goodness, that's slow football,'" John L. Smith said. "From the sideline sometimes, you're saying 'OK, we've got a hole and we're going to get 7-10 (yards).' And you look back and you've got 2-3, just because it's a faster game."


"The defensive lines, that's the difference in playing in this league and these other leagues you watch on TV," Muschamp said. "I know y'all like all these points being scored, but the quarterback won't make it through the game and the season in our league."


"(The speed) was overwhelming, especially if you're not used to it," Malzahn said. "It's just a different game as far as the speed factor is concerned."

   1644. DA Baracus Posted: December 02, 2012 at 01:48 PM (#4314585)
Skip Holtz fired from South Florida.
   1645. Cowboy Popup Posted: December 02, 2012 at 02:08 PM (#4314597)
Boise jumped Northern Illinois in the Coaches Poll. WTF? That's pretty shameful, but maybe it keeps them both out. Nebraska at 21 because Wisconsin beat them so badly. Thanks Wisconsin. UCLA at 19, Northwestern at 17, both have better computer rankings than NIU or Boise. This is going to be close.
   1646. DA Baracus Posted: December 02, 2012 at 02:18 PM (#4314605)
UConn lost $1.8M on the Fiesta Bowl. NIU is better off not going to the Orange Bowl, the cost of having to buy every unsold ticket in their allotment at ridiculous face value won't be worth it.
   1647. They paved Misirlou, put up a parking lot Posted: December 02, 2012 at 03:21 PM (#4314626)
UConn lost $1.8M on the Fiesta Bowl. NIU is better off not going to the Orange Bowl, the cost of having to buy every unsold ticket in their allotment at ridiculous face value won't be worth it.


I'm all for conferences sharing bowl revenue. But it seems to me the participating school should have heir expenses covered before the profit is split up. It's ridiculous to do it any other way.
   1648. They paved Misirlou, put up a parking lot Posted: December 02, 2012 at 03:28 PM (#4314630)
So, anyone have any Rose Bowl ticket connections?
   1649. Mike Webber Posted: December 02, 2012 at 03:32 PM (#4314632)
UConn lost $1.8M on the Fiesta Bowl. NIU is better off not going to the Orange Bowl, the cost of having to buy every unsold ticket in their allotment at ridiculous face value won't be worth it.


from the article:

The loyalists who bought 2,771 tickets through the university

And they lost money? Imagine.
   1650. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: December 02, 2012 at 03:32 PM (#4314633)
I think the speed is one thing-the defensive lines are the biggest advantage the SEC has over the other leagues.

The best d-lineman in pro football -- Wisconsin's JJ Watt -- just got his 15.5th sack of the year. How's it working out for Glenn Dorsey, Derrick Harvey, and Nick Fairley?
   1651. spike Posted: December 02, 2012 at 03:36 PM (#4314635)
Well that certainly settles it.
   1652. cmd600 Posted: December 02, 2012 at 03:36 PM (#4314636)
Is this one of those? SEC is 9-1 in BCS championship, 16-7 in BCS play (most wins, highest win pct), and has never lost a BCS championship to another conference.


And expanding our sample to all SEC games against other BCS competition in the BCS era, the SEC is 152-130. That's still good, even if we discount the advantage they have in bowl games. It may even be the best of the conferences. But a 54% win pct isn't so overwhelming that we can just throw up our hands and call it insurmountable.

I'm not saying the SEC isn't the best conference, but the arguments for it frequently are
Here's another; watch the damned games


The SEC homers act as if no one has a chance against them, with arguments such as "so and so would be a .500 team in the SEC, Mississippi would easily win the X conference". Then when Utah beats Alabama the game is almost seemingly erased from the record books. I'm not arguing that the SEC isn't good. I'm arguing that the SEC isn't so good that we can say
the best teams in football are pretty clearly ALA, UGA and UF
   1653. Rear Admiral Piazza Posted: December 02, 2012 at 03:43 PM (#4314637)
The best d-lineman in pro football -- Wisconsin's JJ Watt -- just got his 15.5th sack of the year. How's it working out for Glenn Dorsey, Derrick Harvey, and Nick Fairley?


While we are cherry picking, the league leader in sacks is linebacker Aldon Smith. He went to Missouri, definitively proving that, until last year, the best conference in the country was the Big 12, but now it's the SEC.
   1654. Rear Admiral Piazza Posted: December 02, 2012 at 03:45 PM (#4314639)
I don't get the "home field advantage!!!!" argument for SEC bowl games. Perhaps the Sugar Bowl if you are LSU, but most bowl games are big, sterile environments, on fields neither team plays in, with crowds never especially loud. Unless there is some crazy advantage that the SEC gets by playing in halfway tolerable weather.

I actually think comparing most bowl games is silly, anyway, since quite a few teams mail it in. It's nice to have the extra practice, but some teams definitively take the foot off the pedal for them.
   1655. DA Baracus Posted: December 02, 2012 at 03:47 PM (#4314640)
The best d-lineman in pro football -- Wisconsin's JJ Watt -- just got his 15.5th sack of the year. How's it working out for Glenn Dorsey, Derrick Harvey, and Nick Fairley?


One guy in the NFL supersedes the depth of talent in a college conference? Interesting logic.
   1656. Rear Admiral Piazza Posted: December 02, 2012 at 03:48 PM (#4314641)
I actually think the SEC is down this year - Auburn and Tennessee are awful at a historical level, and Arkansas totally collapsed - so I am amused that, despite all that, the SEC is going to win another national title.

Plus, I don't see a conference obviously better - I could make an argument for Oregon or Stanford winning the SEC, but the top half of the SEC seems better than the top half of other conferences.
   1657. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: December 02, 2012 at 04:00 PM (#4314645)
One guy in the NFL supersedes the depth of talent in a college conference? Interesting logic.

At least pro production is a somewhat objective standard, as opposed to "How copiously does Gary Danielson jizz over a guy?" Yeah, by that standard, the SEC has great defensive linemen.
   1658. Shredder Posted: December 02, 2012 at 04:01 PM (#4314646)
So, anyone have any Rose Bowl ticket connections?
Just check Craigslist a few days before the game. We got pretty good seats for face value a couple days before the Wiscy vs TCU game. Same for Illinois vs USC game. Tickets are really hard to get before Christmas and really easy to get after Christmas.
   1659. zenbitz Posted: December 02, 2012 at 04:02 PM (#4314647)

So, anyone have any Rose Bowl ticket connections?


You know, I might. I work at Stanford and several people here have season tickets but might not go to Pasadena. You willing to pay Market price? (I don't know what that is). Send me an email (should be linked)
   1660. zenbitz Posted: December 02, 2012 at 04:06 PM (#4314650)
Did the Pac-12 play the SEC at all this year?
   1661. DA Baracus Posted: December 02, 2012 at 04:08 PM (#4314652)
At least pro production is a somewhat objective standard


The discussion is which college conference has better talent. Using only NFL production is a very narrow way to look at it.
   1662. zenbitz Posted: December 02, 2012 at 04:13 PM (#4314654)
Regarding 8-team playoffs and conference championships. I agree that using some ranking system to pick 8 teams for playoffs doesn't mesh well with conference championships.

My assumption is that when they cut the chaff out they go to 4x16 and the conference championship is essentially the first round of playoffs.
Obviously this means that either the ACC or the B12 is folded into the other conferences. Note that Oregon 2012 utterly screwed by this (because they lost to Stanford!). However, the presumption is that with tougher interconference schedules Oregon would have a better chance to get separation (assuming they are, in fact, better than Stanford). Similar with Florida
   1663. They paved Misirlou, put up a parking lot Posted: December 02, 2012 at 04:17 PM (#4314655)
You know, I might. I work at Stanford and several people here have season tickets but might not go to Pasadena. You willing to pay Market price? (I don't know what that is). Send me an email (should be linked)


e-mail sent.
   1664. Forsch 10 From Navarone (Dayn) Posted: December 02, 2012 at 04:18 PM (#4314656)
I'd be interested to see how the BCS standings would have shaken out had yesterday been Georgia's first loss.
   1665. Every Inge Counts Posted: December 02, 2012 at 04:24 PM (#4314658)
At least pro production is a somewhat objective standard, as opposed to "How copiously does Gary Danielson jizz over a guy?" Yeah, by that standard, the SEC has great defensive linemen.


Sure, but tossing out look at J.J. Watt is kind of missing the point of the comment. SEC DLs are good and deep. And I used a quote from Will Muschamp a guy who has coached in multiple conferences and in the NFL...but yes J.J. Watt invalidates everything.
   1666. zenbitz Posted: December 02, 2012 at 04:34 PM (#4314665)
crap the alias attached to this account is down for another couple days. Try "hitz" at stanford dot edu instead.
   1667. They paved Misirlou, put up a parking lot Posted: December 02, 2012 at 04:38 PM (#4314670)
new e-mail sent
   1668. Spivey Posted: December 02, 2012 at 04:48 PM (#4314680)
I think good defensive backs is actually the biggest advantage the SEC has over the Big 12. I don't see a big difference in defensive line play, though the SEC obviously has good defensive lines. I do think the Big 12 tends to have better QB and WR play - but a lot of the different conferences play different styles and recruit different types of players as a result - and it builds on itself a bit because a lot of guys are going to want to go where they see those types of players

Alabama is the best and healthiest program in the country right now, by a fair margin. That they happen to be in the SEC is the main advantage or calling card of the SEC IMO.
   1669. The Yankee Clapper Posted: December 02, 2012 at 06:31 PM (#4314719)
The SEC was playing at NFL speed.

Is a conference really that good if a freshman playing for a so-so Big 12 team in its 1st year in the conference breaks the conference record for total offense? And beats the conference champ?
   1670. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: December 02, 2012 at 06:59 PM (#4314726)
Congrats NIU. Never saw that one coming. Great year for the MAC. Lots of entertaining games and I'm pretty sure NIU and Kent State would have been able to win the Big East or the ACC bad division.
   1671. hokieneer Posted: December 02, 2012 at 07:04 PM (#4314727)
Anyone seen this yet?
   1672. hokieneer Posted: December 02, 2012 at 07:11 PM (#4314730)
Guess that means OU to the Cotten, Texas moves to the Holiday bowl, and WVU has no chance to go anywhere but the pinstripe.

   1673. They paved Misirlou, put up a parking lot Posted: December 02, 2012 at 07:18 PM (#4314731)
edit: never mind
   1674. hokieneer Posted: December 02, 2012 at 07:19 PM (#4314732)
From twitter, it appears it's OU and Tx A&M in the Cotton bowl.

Syracuse has officially accepted the Pinstripe bowl which means Pitt is going to the BBVA Compass bowl.

SO the worst possible scenario for WVU is possible, playing in the Pinstripe bowl against some BE not named Pitt.
   1675. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: December 02, 2012 at 07:25 PM (#4314733)
What a dumb decision by the pinstripe people.
   1676. DA Baracus Posted: December 02, 2012 at 07:27 PM (#4314736)
which means Pitt is going to the BBVA Compass bowl.


For the third year in the row.
   1677. Every Inge Counts Posted: December 02, 2012 at 07:35 PM (#4314738)
Is a conference really that good if a freshman playing for a so-so Big 12 team in its 1st year in the conference breaks the conference record for total offense? And beats the conference champ?[/quote

Nope, it means it is not good at all.
   1678. hokieneer Posted: December 02, 2012 at 07:36 PM (#4314739)
What a dumb decision by the pinstripe people.


That's a huge understatement. My wife and I are not normally the type of fans to travel to bowl games, and we really don't have the disposable money this year, but all day we had been talking about trying to scrape up the money to go to NYC to watch WVU play Pitt and maybe staying for the whole touristy New Years Eve time square stuff. Trying to make the best lemonade possible from this lemon of a season. We will not be going to watch WVU play 'Cuse.

And I'm sure ESPN would much rather have a renewed Backyard Brawl in NYS for their telecast. I mean what little hype you can generate for a lower level bowl would already be done for you. Pitt don't travel well at all, but I know WVU could have easily sent 25-30K fans to NYC for a Brawl matchup. The WVU turnout and excitement is going to be much much lower for a matchup against Syracuse. Of course you have to factor in the Syracuse fans excitement, but I think the aggregate turnout and TV audience would be higher for a WVU/Pitt as opposed to a WVU/Cuse (Blue/Gold glasses in full effect on that statement).
   1679. Mike A Posted: December 02, 2012 at 07:38 PM (#4314741)
FSU vs Northern Illinois isn't quite the BCS matchup I had in mind.
   1680. DA Baracus Posted: December 02, 2012 at 08:13 PM (#4314749)
Louisiana Tech turns down the Independence Bowl vs Louisiana-Monroe, so now they're not going to a bowl at all.
   1681. Crosseyed and Painless Posted: December 02, 2012 at 09:58 PM (#4314791)
For what it's worth (nothing), I'm more likely to turn on NIU-FSU than I would be OU-FSU.
   1682. Mike Webber Posted: December 02, 2012 at 10:11 PM (#4314800)
For what it's worth (nothing), I'm more likely to turn on NIU-FSU than I would be OU-FSU.

Why?
   1683. Eddo Posted: December 02, 2012 at 10:13 PM (#4314803)
For me, it's because I enjoy seeing more novel matchups. Oklahoma's in a BCS game every other year or so - I like seeing more variety. It's why I would have preferred seeing Oklahoma State play LSU last year, instead of Alabama getting a rematch.
   1684. Every Inge Counts Posted: December 02, 2012 at 10:16 PM (#4314805)
Best non-BCS bowl match-up?
   1685. Crosseyed and Painless Posted: December 02, 2012 at 10:20 PM (#4314808)
For me, it's because I enjoy seeing more novel matchups. Oklahoma's in a BCS game every other year or so - I like seeing more variety. It's why I would have preferred seeing Oklahoma State play LSU last year, instead of Alabama getting a rematch.


Pretty much this is why. Just seems like more of a novelty, which is all these bowls are anyway. I'm sure OU is a better football team than NIU.
   1686. Crosseyed and Painless Posted: December 02, 2012 at 10:22 PM (#4314810)
Best non-BCS bowl match-up?


Purdue-Okie State. LOL! Should be another B1G bowl season.

Jokes aside, Texas A&M-OU.
   1687. Every Inge Counts Posted: December 02, 2012 at 10:23 PM (#4314811)
Interesting as usual: the final Coaches poll ranking by coach
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/coaches-poll12


James Franklin has Notre Dame at #4
Dana Holgorsen has Oregon at #8
Bob Stoops put Northern Illinois at #24
   1688. Mike Webber Posted: December 02, 2012 at 10:26 PM (#4314815)
Best non-BCS bowl match-up?

Cotton Bowl could have been UT vs A&M, but OU vs A&M is pretty good.
Chick Fil A Clemson vs LSU - should be a good matchup
Cap 1 - Georgia vs Nub - of course I like watching NU lose so...
   1689. Mike Webber Posted: December 02, 2012 at 10:28 PM (#4314817)
One more, I think Tulsa vs Iowa State could be one of those entertaining bowl games where you really don't know either team but they put on a heck of a show.
   1690. Crosseyed and Painless Posted: December 02, 2012 at 10:33 PM (#4314819)
I'm sure the Vegas odds will be out in a day or so, but here's the Sagarin predictor lines for the B1G games:

Stanford -5.5 vs Wisconsin
Georgia -10.5 vs Nebraska
South Carolina -5.5 vs Michigan
Northwestern -1 vs Mississippi State
Oklahoma State -18 vs Purdue
TCU -4 vs Michigan State
Texas Tech -15 vs Minnesota
   1691. Forsch 10 From Navarone (Dayn) Posted: December 02, 2012 at 10:34 PM (#4314820)
Best non-BCS bowl match-up?

Gotta be OU-A&M. The idea of Nebraska-Georgia is appealing in the "classic programs that hardly ever play each other" sense, but I don't see it being a great game. Would please me greatly if Pelini used the break to get a new D-coordinator.
   1692. clowns to the left of me; STEAGLES to the right Posted: December 02, 2012 at 10:34 PM (#4314821)
Louisiana Tech turns down the Independence Bowl vs Louisiana-Monroe, so now they're not going to a bowl at all.
that probably saves them some money considering the number of tickets that the schools usually have to buy as a condition of being invited to a bowl.
   1693. AuntBea Posted: December 02, 2012 at 10:34 PM (#4314822)
It's fair to say I was wrong about the voters. I thought they'd keep UCLA above NIU, and they clearly did not. I wasn't sure if they would keep Nebraska ahead of NIU, but I did not think it would matter, because I knew Nebraska had a large advantage over NIU in the computers. I will definitely check out NIU/FSU and probably Notre Dame/Alabama, and possibly Oregon/K-State. The other two I probably won't bother with.

As other people have mentioned several times, if you want to watch the very best teams play, you should be watching the NFL. (I was never reminded of this fact more than when I turned on the Notre Dame/Pitt game for the 4th quarter and overtime.)
   1694. DA Baracus Posted: December 02, 2012 at 10:35 PM (#4314823)
Interesting as usual: the final Coaches poll ranking by coach


Not that it would completely correct it, but coaches should not be allowed to vote for themselves.
   1695. Forsch 10 From Navarone (Dayn) Posted: December 02, 2012 at 10:35 PM (#4314825)
Good chance for Northwestern to break that bowl-win drought.
   1696. Howie Menckel Posted: December 02, 2012 at 10:39 PM (#4314828)

fun tweet I just saw

Isaac Ropp ?@iropp

@SBRadio Two double-digit BCS title game underdogs: Oklahoma to Fla St in 2000 & Ohio St to Miami in '02. Both won outright.

....

also I think I saw that Northern Illinois avgd 16,000 fans this season but has to get their fans to buy... 17,000 Orange Bowl tickets.

   1697. Mike Webber Posted: December 02, 2012 at 10:39 PM (#4314829)
Joker Phillips final ballot - who do you think actually filled it out?
He had KSU 11 and Stanford 12. Couple other coaches - including Franklin - had Stanford 12.
   1698. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: December 02, 2012 at 10:39 PM (#4314830)
I'm not a fan of the Sugar Bowl. It's boring. The Superdome is bland and anti-septic. I would probably enjoy it more if I went to the game and got to enjoy New Orleans. It would be amazing if Florida could play in the Rose Bowl at some point.

It'll be fun to see Charlie Strong again, though.
   1699. clowns to the left of me; STEAGLES to the right Posted: December 02, 2012 at 10:39 PM (#4314831)
Is a conference really that good if a freshman playing for a so-so Big 12 team in its 1st year in the conference breaks the conference record for total offense? And beats the conference champ?
i thought we've already established that about 2/3 of the SEC could beat kansas city if they played.
   1700. Mike Webber Posted: December 02, 2012 at 10:42 PM (#4314833)
As other people have mentioned several times, if you want to watch the very best teams play, you should be watching the NFL.


Try to sell that argument to in Kansas City to people that watch K-State on Saturdays never turn over the ball or get penalties, who then have to watch the Chiefs on Sunday. :)
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