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OT: November College Football Thread.

Alabama Is still Ranked #1.  Will they hold steady to repeat? Make it to the title game?  Or does another team claim the Crystal ball in Miami in January.

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   1801. SouthSideRyan Posted: December 03, 2012 at 11:49 PM (#4316063)
And of course, after the let down of losing the SEC game, it's hard to get up for the Also-Ran Bowl du jour.


So that one also doesn't count.
   1802. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: December 04, 2012 at 12:01 AM (#4316074)
I'm really hoping he decides to wait for Iowa (where he played) to come open.

Hawkeye fans share this hope.

Doeren is much more likely to be fired in 3 or 4 years than taking NCSU to a BCS bowl. It happens even to good coaches.
   1803. zenbitz Posted: December 04, 2012 at 12:08 AM (#4316083)
(*) And it isn't going to be any better with the playoff.


No. What would be better would be if there were mandated interconference games between "real" conferences.
   1804. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: December 04, 2012 at 02:15 AM (#4316144)
and I will go buy The New Yorker on Tuesday.
   1805. Andy H. Posted: December 04, 2012 at 09:40 AM (#4316225)
In 2004, Auburn was undefeated but left out of the BCS championship game in favor of Southern Cal and Oklahoma. The SEC bias is recent, and directly related to Florida's stomping of Ohio State in the 2006 championship. The bias continues because the SEC hasn't lost the championship game since.
   1806. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: December 04, 2012 at 10:50 AM (#4316289)

No. What would be better would be if there were mandated interconference games between "real" conferences.


Does the ACC count?
   1807. Cowboy Popup Posted: December 04, 2012 at 12:11 PM (#4316411)
No. What would be better would be if there were mandated interconference games between "real" conferences.

Agreed. I'm pretty sure the swell of support for a playoff in the sport is directly related to the lack of quality OOC games recently.

Apparently Butch Jones will announce whether he is going to take the Colorado job today. If I were him, I would pass, even with Cincy's precarious standing in the college football world. Colorado has had a quick trigger on firing coaches and it's a long way up with that program in a deep conference.
   1808. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: December 04, 2012 at 12:18 PM (#4316427)
Yeah, I don't know why any coach worth a damn would take the Colorado job right now. I don't think it has to be an awful gig (it's not Kansas), but considering the current state of the program and the presence of an athletic director who left the entire Internet either bumfuzzled or howling with laughter at his last press conference, I'd pass.
   1809. McCoy Posted: December 04, 2012 at 12:23 PM (#4316437)
Or the NCAA could simply do away with conferences and break the colleges into more tiers or regions.


Have something like 3 tiers and each tier only plays against other teams from their tier or have something like 6 regions and you must play 9 games against your region and the rest can be played outside of your region if you want and the top bowl games would pit the top regional teams against each other. You could even have a mini playoff in the first week of December.
   1810. Tom Nawrocki Posted: December 04, 2012 at 03:02 PM (#4316698)
Maybe I just have my homer glasses on, but I'm surprised Mississippi State is a 2-point favorite over Northwestern in the Gator Bowl. I know we're all supposed to pee our pants over the thought of playing someone from the SEC, but MSU played only three of the SEC's actual good teams this year, and wasn't competitive in any of them. And Northwestern already beat an SEC team (Vanderbilt) that's ranked higher by Sagarin.

Ah well. I'm not betting on the game, so it doesn't really matter.
   1811. Tripon Posted: December 04, 2012 at 03:07 PM (#4316705)
The NCAA doesn't have power creating, maintaining or disbanding conferences. They're independent entities that allow themselves to work under the NCAA structure. If the NCAA even tried to do something close to what McCoy is suggesting, the conferences will just create their own version of the NCAA and leave the carcass behind.
   1812. cmd600 Posted: December 04, 2012 at 03:12 PM (#4316713)
Or the NCAA could simply do away with conferences


Some conferences were formed for reasons other than strictly football. I know only the Big Ten crows about the CIC and AAU statuses but I have a hard time seeing how you just do away with the PAC 12 and deal with the academic ACC schools.
   1813. McCoy Posted: December 04, 2012 at 03:56 PM (#4316768)
Do away with conferences in football. Presto.

The NCAA doesn't have power creating, maintaining or disbanding conferences. They're independent entities that allow themselves to work under the NCAA structure. If the NCAA even tried to do something close to what McCoy is suggesting, the conferences will just create their own version of the NCAA and leave the carcass behind

If colleges dump their regulatory body they risk the government coming and creating a regulatory body for them.

The NCAA does not award championships but they can create one and they can organize it however they like and declare someone the champ whether they want to be or not. If the NCAA can get enough sponsor money behind them the schools will come on board. I'm also not standing here and advocating that some NCAA president unilaterally decide this. My suggestion would obviously need a coalition to form behind it but I do think if the NCAA wanted to set up some sort of regional division setup or more tiers they could eventually implement it.
   1814. zenbitz Posted: December 04, 2012 at 04:00 PM (#4316776)
The ACC and B12 are both "mostly" real conferences.

FSU, GT, Clemson, Miami are all real football programs. The others are spotty but no worse than the bottom of the SEC/B1G/PAC-12.

Similarly with the Big-12. The Texas and Oklahoma teams are for reals, every year. WV and KSU are at least as relevant as Georgia Tech.
   1815. puck Posted: December 04, 2012 at 04:05 PM (#4316786)
Colorado has had a quick trigger on firing coaches and it's a long way up with that program in a deep conference.

Not really (about the quick trigger). They kept Hawkins for 5 seasons. They fired Embree after just two years, but this season was so poor it's hard to argue it was unfair. The team wasn't just awful, it also made stupid mistakes and showed no ability to adapt, change game plans, etc.

The bigger issues are the things CFBF alludes to. There are subpar facilities without a lot of resources to address them. (Not a lot of state gov't support and few boosters with deep pockets.) I think CU is also fairly restrictive in recruiting policies--it's hard to bring in Juco's and kids with poor transcripts.

I guess they are hoping the allure of being in the Pac12, a competitive paycheck (which Embree definitely didn't receive), and maybe the location will draw someone.
   1816. DA Baracus Posted: December 04, 2012 at 04:06 PM (#4316787)
Your new Arkansas coach is....

Bret Bielema.
   1817. Cowboy Popup Posted: December 04, 2012 at 04:11 PM (#4316793)
ESPN is reporting that Arkansas just hired Bret Bielma. That would be crazy if it's true. They sure do like hiring d-bags at Arkansas.

Edit: Coke to DA. This is crazy unexpected. Bet Doeren is kicking himself now. I wonder if they go after Chryst.
   1818. DA Baracus Posted: December 04, 2012 at 04:13 PM (#4316796)
ESPN is reporting that Arkansas just hired Bret Bielma.


Are they saying "sources"? Because they didn't break it, Yahoo did, and ESPN has been loathe to credit other people recently.
   1819. Cowboy Popup Posted: December 04, 2012 at 04:15 PM (#4316799)
Are they saying "sources"? Because they didn't break it, Yahoo did, and ESPN has been loathe to credit other people recently.

I first saw it on their scrolling Twitter feed. Joe Schad posted it with out any reference to another sporting news crew but when I scrolled down someone named Travis Haney attributed it to Yahoo. CBSSports also gave props to Yahoo.

Edit: Apparently Bielma wants to coach in the Rose Bowl still. Not sure how that will work out.
   1820. SoSH U at work Posted: December 04, 2012 at 04:19 PM (#4316808)
Because they didn't break it, Yahoo did, and ESPN has been loathe to credit other people recently.


Recently?
   1821. Forsch 10 From Navarone (Dayn) Posted: December 04, 2012 at 04:21 PM (#4316814)
Yeah, ESPN wasn't even close to first on that.
   1822. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: December 04, 2012 at 04:22 PM (#4316815)
ESPN will never give credit when its due. Nobody is smaller in the media with that mindset.
   1823. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: December 04, 2012 at 04:23 PM (#4316818)
wonder if they go after Chryst.


another Pitt coaching search? Hahahahahahahaa
   1824. DA Baracus Posted: December 04, 2012 at 04:25 PM (#4316821)
Recently?


Touche.

Apparently Bielma wants to coach in the Rose Bowl still. Not sure how that will work out.


I'm guessing it won't.
   1825. Cowboy Popup Posted: December 04, 2012 at 04:27 PM (#4316824)
Malzahn appears to be the frontrunner in the Auburn sweepstakes.

Louisville has to be breathing a bit easier right now. Tennessee is the last real threat to go after Strong.
   1826. Every Inge Counts Posted: December 04, 2012 at 04:29 PM (#4316830)
Is Arkansas a step up from Wisconsin?
   1827. Cowboy Popup Posted: December 04, 2012 at 04:30 PM (#4316832)
So I'm thinking Harveys will be both angry at the way Bielma pulled this #### and somewhat happy that he is no longer the Badgers head coach. I'm still waiting to hear back from my Wisconsin fan buddy, but I can't imagine he will be happy. They have lost a ton of assistants recently, I'm not sure if the Alvarez-Bielma coaching tree can survive this.
   1828. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: December 04, 2012 at 04:32 PM (#4316837)
Wisconsin fans have to be happy about this
   1829. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: December 04, 2012 at 04:35 PM (#4316840)
Ugh. As an Arkansas fan, I'm not pleased ... though of course they forgot to ask my opinion. Would've been considerably happier with Mike Gundy, whom I'd seen reported as pretty much a sure thing earlier in the day.
   1830. DA Baracus Posted: December 04, 2012 at 04:36 PM (#4316842)
Is Arkansas a step up from Wisconsin?


I don't think it is but we don't know what is going on behind the scenes in Madison.
   1831. SouthSideRyan Posted: December 04, 2012 at 04:39 PM (#4316849)
After four-star offensive lineman Kyle Dodson picked the Buckeyes on national signing day (Michigan State also was a finalist), Wisconsin coach Bret Bielema hinted at Meyer's "illegal" recruiting tactics during his press conference.

Dodson originally had committed to Wisconsin before changing his mind.

"I can tell you this," Bielema told The Sporting News. "We at the Big Ten don’t want to be like the SEC — in any way, shape or form.

"I called Urban and we spoke about it," Bielema said. "We talked about it, and he said it would stop and it did. I’ll let our commissioner deal with anything else. That’s not who we are (in the Big Ten). We settle things among ourselves as coaches."
   1832. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: December 04, 2012 at 04:43 PM (#4316855)
Doeren has to be kicking himself right now.

UW fans generally think Cryst is not a good recruiter, and some are soft on him getting a look. Others want to see Bevell get the nod (he was the '93 QB). I predict BA coaches the Rose Bowl on an interim basis.

Recruiting is about to get dicey for UW.
   1833. smileyy Posted: December 04, 2012 at 04:43 PM (#4316857)
[1826] The guaranteed paycheck probably is.
   1834. I am going to be Frank Posted: December 04, 2012 at 04:43 PM (#4316858)
How are Wisconsin's facilities? Bielema was getting paid a decent amount (18th highest according to USA Today). Obviously Arkansas is going to be paying him more, but the Big Ten has been getting by on reputation for awhile and let their facilities suffer (along with coaching salaries). Its only after the Bill Martin construction projects that Michigan got world class practice and playing facilities.
   1835. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: December 04, 2012 at 04:45 PM (#4316863)
How are Wisconsin's facilities?


by my eyes, and many others, middle of the road in the Big Ten, though they just approved a healthy sum as they are in the early stages of a long needed upgrade.
   1836. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: December 04, 2012 at 04:46 PM (#4316868)
That was the popular reaction on Twitter. If Bielema doesn't like Urban Meyer's recruiting practices, wait 'til he gets a load of the SEC West.

Of course, my guess is that Bielema's stirring "No one should ever recruit a committed prospect" stance was not exactly a statement of principle.
   1837. Cowboy Popup Posted: December 04, 2012 at 04:47 PM (#4316869)
Malzahn to Auburn is official now. That was fast. I think Auburn made the better move.
   1838. smileyy Posted: December 04, 2012 at 04:47 PM (#4316870)
3 straight Rose Bowls are probably enough coaching cred to land Bielema a reasonable job afterwards, even if this paycheck doesn't work out. I figure a coach has a couple alternating "Find a place I can be successful, find a place where I get a paycheck" cycles in him. And that's assuming that he _doesn't_ end up being successful (or taking another step up) at a paycheck school.

And I'm not trying to dismiss Arkansas as a football school, but I've gotten the impression they've been waving cash at coaches.
   1839. smileyy Posted: December 04, 2012 at 04:48 PM (#4316872)
If Bielema doesn't like Urban Meyer's recruiting practices, wait 'til he gets a load of the SEC West.


I highly doubt he's that principled -- rather, he was going after every edge he could get.
   1840. Every Inge Counts Posted: December 04, 2012 at 04:49 PM (#4316874)
What I thought Auburn was going to hire *insert every big name on the market and not on the market*

I guess Malzhan is clean because I am kind of shocked that a school with the NCAA looking at it will pick a former OC.


   1841. DA Baracus Posted: December 04, 2012 at 04:52 PM (#4316883)
So is Tennessee going to lose the coaching musical chairs?
   1842. DA Baracus Posted: December 04, 2012 at 04:53 PM (#4316889)
3 straight Rose Bowls are probably enough coaching cred to land Bielema a reasonable job afterwards


It would, but the third Rose Bowl appearance was because the two teams ahead of him in the division were ineligible.
   1843. Every Inge Counts Posted: December 04, 2012 at 04:54 PM (#4316891)
Tennessee is rumored to be going after Gundy or Strong. If they miss on both that might be a loss....

Just read that Larry Fedora is supposedly on that list as well. So Gundy, Strong, Fedora all have a chance to turn Tennessee down. At least they are aiming high.
   1844. I am going to be Frank Posted: December 04, 2012 at 04:56 PM (#4316900)
by my eyes, and many others, middle of the road in the Big Ten, though they just approved a healthy sum as they are in the early stages of a long needed upgrade.


Then I would guess probably well-below average for SEC.
   1845. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: December 04, 2012 at 04:57 PM (#4316904)
Tennessee to hire Petrino.
   1846. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: December 04, 2012 at 04:57 PM (#4316905)
It would, but the third Rose Bowl appearance was because the two teams ahead of him in the division were ineligible.

Flags fly forever.
   1847. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: December 04, 2012 at 05:10 PM (#4316929)
So Gundy, Strong, Fedora all have a chance to turn Tennessee down. At least they are aiming high.

I'd pull out all the stops and go for a Strong Smart Fedora coaching team. Maybe even Strong Smart Fedora Hope as Purdue just fired its coach.
   1848. Cowboy Popup Posted: December 04, 2012 at 05:11 PM (#4316933)
Maybe even Strong Smart Fedora Hope as Purdue just fired its coach.

Hope could be the playing Ohio St. tough coordinator!
   1849. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: December 04, 2012 at 05:19 PM (#4316949)
i have no issue with a guy looking to move ahead in his career.

this person did win a lot of games as the head coach and his players enjoyed playing for him. and they played hard on a consistent basis. that says a lot.

barry has a challenge but barry likes a challenge. i am hopeful he can meet the challenge
   1850. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: December 04, 2012 at 05:21 PM (#4316953)
on a personal level i am just glad he's gone before any of his personal shenannigans hit the media in a big way. of course maybe wisconsin is about to be hit wiht violations and a harrassment suit

guess we will find out
   1851. Every Inge Counts Posted: December 04, 2012 at 05:22 PM (#4316957)
By the way stiffarmtrophy has published their latest Heisman update-Manziel in 1st, but Te'o has plenty of votes. If Te'o wins the Heisman somehow.....

http://www.stiffarmtrophy.com/
   1852. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: December 04, 2012 at 05:27 PM (#4316966)
it owuld be d8mn funny if barry did coach the team and won the game

barry knows rose bowls.
   1853. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: December 04, 2012 at 05:37 PM (#4316987)
Soul-selling, lateral move by Bielema.
   1854. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: December 04, 2012 at 05:43 PM (#4317000)
Was Bielema just getting out of Dodge? I wonder about a guy who hemorrhages assistants like that.

I think Tennessee could land one of the big names. I remember reading they are the #1 spender in recruiting so I'm guessing they will have the dump truck full of cash on call. If not, they should go to Fulmer on their hands and knees.
   1855. Every Inge Counts Posted: December 04, 2012 at 05:47 PM (#4317008)
Well one of the reasons Bielema was supposedly looking elsewhere was that Wisconsin was not ponying up the cash to keep their assistant coaches, but I thought them losing assistants was a relatively new thing.
   1856. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: December 04, 2012 at 05:52 PM (#4317017)
I thought them losing assistants was a relatively new thing.

Maybe so. For some reason I remember they lost a D-coordinator who took the same position at Northwestern.
   1857. Cowboy Popup Posted: December 04, 2012 at 06:06 PM (#4317033)
Addazio to BC.
   1858. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: December 04, 2012 at 06:06 PM (#4317034)
inge

chryst took a job as head coach and took others with him. i don't think there is sufficient cash to keep a guy when he has a chance to be the head coach.

pops

the d-coordinator did go to northwestern. nobody was sad about it
   1859. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: December 04, 2012 at 06:08 PM (#4317039)
on a personal level i am just glad he's gone before any of his personal shenannigans hit the media in a big way. of course maybe wisconsin is about to be hit wiht violations and a harrassment suit


Details &/or links? I'll even take unfounded rumors & baseless gossip.

This guy is our coach now, after all, for better or worse.
   1860. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: December 04, 2012 at 06:10 PM (#4317045)
Addazio to BC.

Phew!


the d-coordinator did go to northwestern. nobody was sad about it


Thanks, HW, I pay just enough attention to Big Ten football to half-remember some stuff but not enough to recall the details.
   1861. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: December 04, 2012 at 06:17 PM (#4317053)
the d-coordinator did go to northwestern. nobody was sad about it


except other teams in that other division UW is in. Fitz. got hoodwinked on that one.
   1862. Chicago Joe Posted: December 04, 2012 at 06:17 PM (#4317054)
And somewhere harveys is smiling....

EDIT: coke to...harveys?
   1863. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: December 04, 2012 at 06:18 PM (#4317056)
gef

there are no links. the poster jack vincennes is more wired than i am but the general gossip is that the ex-head coach of wisconsin dabbled in the coeds among other things.

i am no prude but he is not my kind of guy

i suspect one of the reasons he is leaving is that alums never warmed up to him. barry tried to plow that road but the guy is so patently false in his one on one interactions no amount of arm twisting by barry could get folks to do anything but thank him for the results.

   1864. Chicago Joe Posted: December 04, 2012 at 06:20 PM (#4317059)
ex-head coach of wisconsin dabbled in the coeds among other things.


UW must have a flourishing school for the blind, I guess.
   1865. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: December 04, 2012 at 06:21 PM (#4317062)
and i will accept a step back in on field performance. i already stopped contributing to the program (because of the coach among other things) so if that is the price to pay i accept it
   1866. McCoy Posted: December 04, 2012 at 06:26 PM (#4317072)
I don't think it is but we don't know what is going on behind the scenes in Madison.

How can one not know what is going on? It's lots of eating of cheese curds, that is what is going on.
   1867. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: December 04, 2012 at 06:31 PM (#4317077)
Strong to Tenn.

so how many BCS teams are sans Head Coach this year.

edit: I'll believe this when I read/hear from a better source than 'sources to the situation...' Knoxville affiliate.
   1868. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: December 04, 2012 at 06:38 PM (#4317087)
Ok, Finebaum now quoting a espn report. This is all very hilarious.
   1869. Dan The Mediocre Posted: December 04, 2012 at 06:40 PM (#4317092)
Ok, Finebaum now quoting a espn report. This is all very hilarious.


University of Coaches?
   1870. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: December 04, 2012 at 06:41 PM (#4317093)
Tennessee's a better job than Louisville, but not by much, and the arrows for both programs are pointing in the opposite direction. I'm surprised Strong would take the UT gig.
   1871. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: December 04, 2012 at 06:46 PM (#4317101)
so how many BCS teams are sans Head Coach this year.

Cal, Tennessee, Colorado, Purdue, Kentucky and Wisconsin. Am I missing any?

EDIT: Add Temple and USF if the Big East still counts.
   1872. McCoy Posted: December 04, 2012 at 06:47 PM (#4317102)
NIU
   1873. I am going to be Frank Posted: December 04, 2012 at 06:49 PM (#4317105)
Does Tennessee's recent terribleness give Strong a little more leeway?
   1874. Rear Admiral Piazza Posted: December 04, 2012 at 06:51 PM (#4317110)
Tennessee's a better job than Louisville, but not by much, and the arrows for both programs are pointing in the opposite direction. I'm surprised Strong would take the UT gig.


What? Bigger school, more fans, more money (even if broke), better conference, actual national titles, better recruiting base (and that's saying something).

Honestly maybe Louisville has a better AD to support a coach, but Hart's not bad. Tennessee >>>> Louisville.
   1875. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: December 04, 2012 at 06:53 PM (#4317116)
Tennessee's a better job than Louisville, but not by much,

?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Tennessee 9th all time in winning percentage.

8th all time in wins.

But I guess Louisville just moved up to Big East 3.0, so they're good.
   1876. Rear Admiral Piazza Posted: December 04, 2012 at 06:53 PM (#4317117)
I guess Malzhan is clean because I am kind of shocked that a school with the NCAA looking at it will pick a former OC.


There's nothing to the NCAA stuff. To begin with, there's not even a letter of inquiry, so the NCAA isn't "looking at it."
   1877. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: December 04, 2012 at 06:55 PM (#4317120)
yeah, Tenn won a NC in the BCS era, and football>>>>basketball (importance) at UT, which is a big big difference.

my comment was re: the upcoming 'BCS bowl games' are now w/o 3 coaches.
   1878. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: December 04, 2012 at 07:00 PM (#4317123)
To begin with, there's not even a letter of inquiry, so the NCAA isn't "looking at it."

The LOI is not the beginning of the process. Just googling, Tennessee got it's letter of inquiry in the Bruce Pearl business in September of 2010 but the NCAA had started investigating in April 2009.
   1879. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: December 04, 2012 at 07:01 PM (#4317124)
Louisville's going to a BCS bowl, however undeserved that may be, and they're clearly moving on an upward trajectory. UT, meanwhile, is coming off two straight 5-7 seasons, has, in fact, gone 5-7 in three of the last five years and now looks back fondly on the halcyon days of Lane Kiffin, when they went 7-6 in 2009.

Yes, Tennessee has a much better football history than Louisville, but Tee Martin ain't walking through that door. The days of Tennessee throwing out NFL-caliber defenses against Spurrier's Florida offenses are long gone. As I said, UT is a better program than Louisville, but with Strong at the helm of the latter I don't think it's a blowout.

Of course, Tennessee now has a really good coach and Louisville has nothing, so that skews things a bit.
   1880. Cowboy Popup Posted: December 04, 2012 at 07:12 PM (#4317136)
Honestly maybe Louisville has a better AD to support a coach, but Hart's not bad. Tennessee >>>> Louisville.

I agree with your analysis, but I'm still surprised. People at Tennessee aren't going to be happy with less than a BCS bowl or playoff bid. The program is down, there's not a ton of instate talent and the fanbase is going to be anxious for immediate returns after seven or so years or irrelevance. And Strong went out of his way to talk about how big a deal it was for Louisville to offer him his first HC job.

This wasn't about money, since Louisville was already paying Strong and probably would have matched Tennessee. Strong obviously wanted to compete in the SEC at a big time program, but still, I'm surprised. Louisville is going to be a much easier place to get BCS bowls and playoff bids and under Strong would be a powerhouse in the ACC.
   1881. Rear Admiral Piazza Posted: December 04, 2012 at 07:15 PM (#4317143)
This clearly wasn't about money, Strong obviously wanted to compete in the SEC at a big time program, but still, I'm surprised. Louisville is going to be a much easier place to get BCS bowls and playoff bids and under Strong would be a powerhouse in the ACC.


Except it's not even clear the ACC will survive. We're moving toward four mega conferences and the ACC is the one most likely to get the shaft. And that frees up Louisville to go... where? The Big 12 already told them no once.
   1882. Rear Admiral Piazza Posted: December 04, 2012 at 07:17 PM (#4317148)
The LOI is not the beginning of the process. Just googling, Tennessee got it's letter of inquiry in the Bruce Pearl business in September of 2010 but the NCAA had started investigating in April 2009.


Yes, but the violations being talked about were secondary type stuff, and the coaches in questions were put in the penalty box for it. Folks I have talked to that seem connected don't see this as going anywhere. It made a splash because Pat Forde reported it, but you'll not Forde couldn't elaborate on what was going on because he didn't actually know.
   1883. Cowboy Popup Posted: December 04, 2012 at 07:22 PM (#4317157)
We're moving toward four mega conferences and the ACC is the one most likely to get the shaft. And that frees up Louisville to go... where? The Big 12 already told them no once.

I don't think that's a given, and if it is, it's a long way away.

The Big 12 has 10 teams, the PAC-12 12 (and really, where are they going to expand?), SEC 14, and Big Ten 14. If they go to 4 16 team mega-conference (and I'm skeptical they do because who would the Pac-12 bother adding?), there are 14 slots. Are there 14 better candidates than Louisville? I doubt it. If the Big 12 goes to 16, Louisville will probably be included.

Edit: Btw, I have yet to see anyone actually report that Strong took the job. None of ESPN, CBSSports, CNN-SI, SB-Nation, or Yahoo have him as leaving yet. Just that he is the top candidate.
   1884. Rear Admiral Piazza Posted: December 04, 2012 at 07:39 PM (#4317185)
The Big 12 has 10 teams, the PAC-12 12 (and really, where are they going to expand?), SEC 14, and Big Ten 14. If they go to 4 16 team mega-conference (and I'm skeptical they do because who would the Pac-12 bother adding?), there are 14 slots. Are there 14 better candidates than Louisville? I doubt it. If the Big 12 goes to 16, Louisville will probably be included.


Well, the big question is, who would the Big 12 take, right? Because the Big Ten isn't going to pick Louisville. Nor will the SEC, because they don't need another Kentucky school.

So, probably... maybe. But Louisville is in a funny spot, not really a great media market. The basketball program makes them more attractive, but that's not a huge money difference. If you are Strong, do you wait around and find out?

And I don't think it's a long way away. If the Big Ten does grab Virginia and Georgia Tech, the dominoes will start falling all over again.
   1885. Cowboy Popup Posted: December 04, 2012 at 08:00 PM (#4317198)
So, probably... maybe. But Louisville is in a funny spot, not really a great media market. The basketball program makes them more attractive, but that's not a huge money difference. If you are Strong, do you wait around and find out?

If I'm Strong, and I'm an awesome coach and recruiter making a ton of money at a program with a great AD, yeah, why not? It's not like these jobs (especially the Tennessee job) are going to stop being available in the future.

I dunno, maybe he is bummed about missing out on the UF job and doesn't want to see UT taken off the table for a long time either.

And I don't think it's a long way away. If the Big Ten does grab Virginia and Georgia Tech, the dominoes will start falling all over again.

I'm not sure why the Big Ten would grab two schools and then a year or two later, grab two more when they could just take them now. They went after Rutgers and Maryland because of the ACC expansion into the north east. Unless the ACC goes up to 16, I'm not sure the Big Ten has any reason to expand unless the ACC or SEC provokes them.
   1886. zenbitz Posted: December 04, 2012 at 08:08 PM (#4317202)
Louisville to SEC makes sense, UKentucky can have an in division rival.
the Pac-12 courted Texas for a while. I could see them (in 10 years or whatever) with Boise St., BYU, SDSU and Fresno State or some other group of 4 Mountain West or WAC teams. Maybe one of the Texas teams that doesn't end up in the Big 12 or SEC.

If the B12 folds instead of the ACC (not looking likely at this point) I could see Texas/OU/OSU + Texas Tech or Baylor or TCU in the Pac-12.

Obviously this means all the "academic standards" are dropped or ignored.
   1887. Spivey Posted: December 04, 2012 at 08:11 PM (#4317204)
And I don't think it's a long way away. If the Big Ten does grab Virginia and Georgia Tech, the dominoes will start falling all over again.


Probably naive of me, but I think that the Big 12 is actually looking halfway stable right now. I think the main thing is that all of the other teams are happy to let Texas and OU run the conference. I guess if Ok St kept a really strong run going that could change, but I think that the only real way the conference would collapse is if Oklahoma or Texas left.

Bielema leaving will be interesting to see how it plays out. It wasn't just alumni - I just don't think fans ever really liked him. He's clearly a sleeze ball. But he's also gone to 3 straight Rose Bowls and that won't be easy to replicate. But Wisconsin has recruited linemen and runningbacks before Bielema and I expect that to continue. Madison and Camp Randall are also well above average venues for the Big 10, even if their facilities are meh.
   1888. SteveM. Posted: December 04, 2012 at 08:55 PM (#4317224)
The real winner today was Tennessee as I think Strong will be a great coach in the SEC. Auburn hitched themselves to a gimicky offense while Arkansas went out and got a coach who hasn't never been in the SEC, and I doubt has recruited heavily in Texas, which is a must for the Hogs. 3-4 years down the road, we will be having the same discussion on who the new Auburn or Arkansas coach will be.
   1889. Every Inge Counts Posted: December 04, 2012 at 10:07 PM (#4317252)
Has Tennessee officially hired Strong yet? I can live with them hiring Strong, Gundy to me would have been the homerun hire.


Not sure why people are that down on Tennessee, though they are very likely to lose a lot on offense-they were 5-7, but I still don't see what separates them that much from lets say West Virginia (another team with big time offense and no defense).
   1890. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: December 04, 2012 at 10:28 PM (#4317259)
Lots of hot coaches lose their sheen after a poor season or two. Strong was smart to cash in to the big leagues while he could.

4x16 ain't gonna happen. We could have four mega conferences (we already do given the bowl contracts), but they won't have pretty symmetry. ACC has contracts that make them clearly #5, but also insures they stay above the gang of five (MAC, BE, MWC, SB, forget the last one). There will always need to be a tier 1A conference. It used to be the Big East, now its the ACC (Big East 3.0).

   1891. zonk Posted: December 04, 2012 at 10:49 PM (#4317268)
the d-coordinator did go to northwestern. nobody was sad about it



except other teams in that other division UW is in. Fitz. got hoodwinked on that one.


Are you talking about Hankwitz?

By the numbers, the 'Cats D has been better and better since he came on board (it should be noted, he's the DC/Safeties coach... you do have to wonder what extent/input Fitz likes to be involved with the defense).

The biggest complaint I've heard from most is that he gets too conservative, especially late - and relies far too much an NU D-line that's generally a bit (but not nearly to the extent it used to be) undersized rather than bringing more linebackers and safeties on blitzes. I tend to agree on that - time and again, they got sunk on big plays late and that's without stripping coverage to bring more pressure.

There certainly have been some pretty bad defensive collapses - all three Cats losses were winnable if the defense holds 4Q leads this year.

Personally, I just chalk it up to a lot of karma this year - they've had more than their recent share of cardiac wins and that sort of stuff always seems to even out eventually...

I suppose I'm in the minority, but I'm 'meh' on him.
   1892. Cowboy Popup Posted: December 05, 2012 at 12:04 AM (#4317316)
Hazell to Purdue, Fedora is interviewing at Tennessee. Maybe Strong isn't leaving after all, which would be cool.

Not sure why people are that down on Tennessee, though they are very likely to lose a lot on offense-they were 5-7, but I still don't see what separates them that much from lets say West Virginia (another team with big time offense and no defense).

I think WV (Sagarin 28) was clearly a better team this year. While Tennessee (Sagarin 56) played some good teams close, they also lost to Mizzou (43), Miss St. (39), and got crushed by Vandy (31). WV's worst loss was at Texas Tech (27) and they won at Texas, which is a way better win than anything Tennessee has.

Going forward, they are probably in the same boat talent wise since they both lose a lot of talent after this year, but Tennessee is in a division with 3 top ten teams and a rivalry with Bama while WV is in a conference with a bunch of top 20 teams (OU and K-St reload next year too) but no clear juggernauts and a rivalry with MD. Of course, Tennessee has a ton of institutional advantages over WV, I would think people would be WAY more surprised if Strong left for WV (if, say, they were hiring) than if he left for Tennessee.
   1893. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: December 05, 2012 at 11:23 AM (#4317528)
New rumor is that the Tennessee job has been offered to Gundy.
   1894. Cowboy Popup Posted: December 05, 2012 at 11:57 AM (#4317565)
FIU fired Mario Cristobal. That's just crazy. I mean, do they really think they are better than 3-9 in a rebuilding year, in a surprisingly deep Sun Belt?

Bet Cristobal wishes he jumped ship now, but really, he had no reason to expect this. FIU has completely lost a sense of who they are, unless of course, there is some crazy behind the scenes #### going on.
   1895. Every Inge Counts Posted: December 05, 2012 at 11:59 AM (#4317571)
Bet Cristobal wishes he jumped ship now, but really, he had no reason to expect this. FIU has completely lost a sense of who they are, unless of course, there is some crazy behind the scenes #### going on.


This is why coaches like Dave Doeren should leave when they get the chance. Cristobal could be coaching at Rutgers and in the Big Ten. Now he is going to have be a coordinator somewhere.
   1896. Cowboy Popup Posted: December 05, 2012 at 12:08 PM (#4317584)
This is why coaches like Dave Doeren should leave when they get the chance.

Ah, but Doeren missed out on the Wisconsin job by doing that. I mean, it obviously makes sense to jump ship upwards when you can if you are at a lower tier programs, but sometimes I think coaches do it a little too quickly, and to programs that don't make a lot of sense (like NC State, where expectations are a little out of proportion and for a guy who has a bunch of midwestern ties). Obviously, a down year could ruin an entire career trajectory, so it's a gamble, but it's a gamble either way.

I'm not sure that FIU's AD having absolutely no sense of where his school is in the world of college football is a lesson that applies to the rest of college football.
   1897. McCoy Posted: December 05, 2012 at 12:16 PM (#4317594)

This is why coaches like Dave Doeren should leave when they get the chance.


Yeah but not to NC State. You leave NC State for something better not go to it. Well, unless you're the coach of Fresno State or Maryland.
   1898. Rickey! On a blog from 1998. With the candlestick. Posted: December 05, 2012 at 12:19 PM (#4317597)
Louisville will not go to the SEC for the same reason Georgia Tech will never rejoin their original conference. They already have Kentucky. L'ville in the new ACC (post eating up the leftovers of the Big East) is the most natural alignment. They bring football, basketball, the Kentucky market, and a semblance of a math curriculum.
   1899. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: December 05, 2012 at 12:34 PM (#4317613)
Ah, but Doeren missed out on the Wisconsin job by doing that.

Missed out on possibly interviewing for the Wisconsin job. Its not like he was guaranteed it.

The coaching fraternity is littered with guys who didn't take an opportunity when it was there, and never got another chance.
   1900. Cowboy Popup Posted: December 05, 2012 at 12:38 PM (#4317617)
Missed out on possibly interviewing for the Wisconsin job. Its not like he was guaranteed it.

Of course. But you would have to think a school like that would want to hire a former assistant from the school, so he probably had a good shot. And I would guess that job interests him more than NC State.

The coaching fraternity is littered with guys who didn't take an opportunity when it was there, and never got another chance.

And with guys who took shots that weren't great fits at the programs they went to and ended up getting fired three years later.
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