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Notre Dame and Louisville to the ACC next year?
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/blog/eye-on-college-basketball/21390901/could-notre-dame-and-louisville-be-in-the-acc-by-next-season
Dominos are starting for a huge 2013 realignment.
temple is really in a #### position, though. they left the A-10 for the big east right as it crumbled into bolivia, so now what do they do? i guess they could crawl back on their hands and knees to the MAC and to the A-10 and hope to get their spot back, but that's not exactly an ideal scenario.
Well, just from a football point of view.
But hey, they'll always have the Eagle Bank Bowl and New Mexico Bowl to remember.
sadly that .13 cents per pizza is still too much for him to eat...
Can't blame him. We're going to find out just how much of an offensive genius Holgorsen is and just how well all these JuCo's he is recruiting can play next year. I'm choosing to be optimistic, because why the hell not but with two FCS squads on the schedule for some reason, there's a decent chance they don't go bowling next year.
I agree, I think that's a smart move. He did wonders at Utah St., including building as nasty a defense as you can get in the WAC. IMO, Utah St. was the best non-bcs team in the country this season and I'm surprised it took this long for their coach to get snatched up. Nice pickup for Wisconsin.
Because it's more football. TV drives these games anyway.
The only issue I have with the bowls themselves (IOW, not the selection process) is that they force the school to eat the overpriced ticket packages they can't sell. That's grotesque. Everything else about playing the bowls is glorious. After watching the first two, I will probably squeeze in another 15 or so, and I would watch more if I could make my schedule work.
I know and agree with these things. I've been to 7 bowl games, as a fan it is fun stuff, but the idea of dragging out multi week playoffs (all at neutral sites) is crappy from the fan perspective, and that's what I care about. I get it, TV rules football, that's why the BIG has turned into a TV Network posing as a 'conference'. The BIG having a bigger 'footprint' does nothing for me, I don't particularly care if they become 'more wealthy' and the network becomes a wild success.
2nd time I would have been to the Music City Bowl, last time was the Alabama-Minnesota game in which Alabama had a high school offense and a college defense...unfortunately that was not enough to win the game.
Bielema with a pink drink.
Ah, I totally misunderstood your post then. I agree, multi-week playoffs, especially if they take place at neutral sites, are going to be horrible.
I get it, TV rules football, that's why the BIG has turned into a TV Network posing as a 'conference'. The BIG having a bigger 'footprint' does nothing for me, I don't particularly care if they become 'more wealthy' and the network becomes a wild success.
I agree with this sentiment too. TV has done quite a bit lately to ruin the set up of the sport. I'll miss the Big East (which is dead as far as I am concerned) and a lot of the rivalry games that have gone by the way side.
Schools have wised up. On the Rutgers board I was reading stories about fans who are boosters, with major priority points and all that jazz, buying Russell Athletic Bowl tix through the school and getting end zone seats for $72. Meanwhile, you can get between the 40s for 20 bucks or less on Stubhub. It's totally nuts...these bowl committees are borderline criminal cartels.
I get what you're saying, but I wouldn't lump the UConn football program in with Memphis. I mean, Memphis really is a bag of crap in football, but UConn is a few years removed from a Fiesta Bowl apperance and has big wins over Notre Dame and South Carolina in the recent past.
It was pretty awesome for this year's Temple/Rutgers game with 20k Rutgers fans in the building.
Temple tries hard but it just doesn't seem to be working. They have certainly not bee that bad of a team since Addazio took over, but they just can't generate much interest.
and incidentally, that was also the reason i didn't like penn state hiring bill o'brien last year. so, i guess i'm batting .500 on that.
i think the new guy temple hired is a good choice. he was the offensive coordinator/recruiting coordinator at temple under al golden, and then when golden left, he went to coach in the NFL for a year. to me, that reads like an ideal resume for anyone who would consider working at temple. with the big east blowing up, he's walking into a really tough situation, but he's a good guy to have.
The jury is still out on O'Brien. Nice first year but plenty of coaches have had a nice first year with their predecessor's team and done nothing after that. Ditto Jim Mora.
side note: I'm pretty sure BYU/SDSU played the highest scoring tie in I-A history at 52-52 in the Marshall Faulk era, '91 I think. But for the rash of turnovers tonight, I'm not so sure they wouldn't still be lining up for field goals.
And then allowed a deep pass and run for the TD.
Gotta love the UCLA fake punt. I mean, they needed something to get started. But they should be careful, Baylor might break the bowl scoring record if UCLA starts putting up points.
I definitely supported that fake punt.
Pretty cool that Baylor has RBs with names of Lache (Lake) and Glasgow.
Briles is a smart dude, and recruiting looks good, and they are actually building a new stadium (Floyd Casey is amongst the worst I've ever been to). Good for them.
Yeah, Baylor football is definitely looking up. The Big 12 has a few programs on the upswing and Baylor might be at the most dangerous of them right now.
Their defense looks fantastic tonight. I'm hoping that doesn't carry over to next season. And fortunately, they are rebuilding much of their offense too next year. Baylor is a perennial bowl program these days.
So USC apparently showed up 90 minutes late to a big 'Sherrif's Dinner' at the Sun Bowl which is a big team get together. GT ended up leaving the event. USC blamed it on a late arrival setting back their practice schedule. Then a USC DL tweeted that El Paso was a sh**ty city.
Lane Kiffin is just the worst ####### coach in the nation, when you factor in his influence and behavior off the field. USC is insane for keeping him after what he's done this year.
And the VT vs Rutgers game was just not fun. It had to be miserable to be there in that rain, and those defenses might have been good, but those offenses were awful.
The Tech vs Minny game is starting fun, Minnesota is looking good with power running formations.
Yeah, that was an affront to offensive football. Rutgers needs to get a new OC ASAP, that was a pathetic showing.
The Tech vs Minny game is starting fun, Minnesota is looking good with power running formations.
Yeah, they are hanging tough. I have to say I didn't expect that.
I'm really looking forward to Texas/Oregon State. Looks like Jordan Hicks, Texas' best linebacker who has missed almost all year, and Case McCoy got sent home related to sexual assault allegations. That's... not good.
They grow 'em up right in Texas!
He didn't say that was the case here. And obviously the Big 10 is way down this year. But by and large, it's true. The Big 10 tends to be scheduled up in bowl games because the schools travel well.
Evidence? Seems like if you could argue any conference gets scheduled up it is the SEC.
The existing tie-ins are pretty even for all the conferences. 3s play 2/3s, 4s play 3/4s or 4/5s, etc.
However, the Big 10 has earned the most at-large selections to BCS bowl berths in the BCS era at 11 (followed by the SEC with 10 - no other conference is close). Those at-large selections have the result of pulling up lower ranked conference teams into better bowl games from top to bottom (and those bowl games don't balk because the Big Ten schools tend to travel better).
Moreover, considering the two leagues respective performances over the past dozen or so years, it's pretty clear that the SEC teams aren't playing up in these other bowl games - they're playing teams with similar portfolios (the No. 3 team in the SEC is generally considered better or equal to the No. 2 in most other conferences, and deservedly so). The same can't be said about the Big Ten.
So yes, the Big Ten teams are scheduled up in bowl games more than any other league, which is one reason (though not the only one) for their shoddy record/reputation.
To be fair, almost every school in the Big 10 is roughly two bowls above the level it should be this year; thank you Ohio State and Penn State.
Yes, which I tried to acknowledge in the next sentence - but it was pretty poorly worded.
As for the scheduling up - I think the main thing is that outside of a couple of pre-January 1 bowls - like the Alamo Bowl, Holiday Bowl, other random good match ups like Boise/Louisville - the conference reputation is won and lost in the big bowls. For the Big 10, that is currently the Outback, Capital One, and Gator Bowl (I apparently didn't realize they had the Gator Bowl tie-in), plus the BCS games. These are the bowls they're consistently losing, and they're not scheduling up in them.
Yes, they are. By routinely getting an at-large berth into the BCS (berths themselves that may not always be warranted in a true merit-based world), their No. 3 is moving up to No. 2, their No. 4 to No. 3, No. 5 to No. 4 for the Outback, Capital One and Gator. Couple that with the fact the conference hasn't been on par with the SEC and Big 12 for much of that time frame, and the Big Ten teams are typically playing better teams, on paper, in these bowl games.
That's a small reason, sure. Part of that is because the Big Ten draws better for bowl games than other conferences, thus making them more attractive than their resume suggests. You know, what cmd said to begin with.
Christ Spivey, you asked for evidence and I gave it to you. If I'd known you were just going to ignore it, I'd have saved myself the trouble of looking that #### up.
And yes, the SEC has had an excellent run of at-large selections. You'd be hard-pressed to find any that weren't warranted, and in fact, like this year, probably have other teams that are more deserving of a BCS appearance than teams that got them. They're not getting scheduled up in the bowl games.
Only for the Big Ten and SEC. The Big 12 doesn't get big games like those two do, and the Pac 12 plays even fewer.
Christ Spivey, you asked for evidence and I gave it to you. If I'd known you were just going to ignore it, I'd have saved myself the trouble of looking that #### up.
I don't think your evidence supports your point though. That the Big10 has the most atlarge selections is an important fact, but has nothing to do with this specific point. They are - in the meaningful bowls - mainly matched up with SEC or a BCS team and they aren't scheduled up in those bowls.
I guess we may be saying different things about what scheduled up means. I mean #X team from the Big 10 plays #Y conference from another conference.
Yes, it does. The fact that the Big Ten has gotten more at-large selections in the BCS, itself often driven by the league's teams ability to travel well, means that its third-best team is filling the spot that should go to the league's second-best team, the fourth-best team is taking the place that should go to the third-best team, etc. Since the league hasn't been any better than the second-to-fourth best during this time frame (the SEC being the consistent No. 1, with the Pac 10, Big 12 and Big 10 rotating into the other spots), the Big 10 teams are, on average, playing up.
Unless you think the Big 10 has been the best league in the BCS era, I don't know you could argue that, on average, it's teams aren't playing up at bowl time.
In contrast, the league you mentioned initially, the SEC, is probably playing down, though that's based entirely on the league's strength.
I'm using it in the way cmd used it in the post that started the conversation. The Big Ten teams end up playing teams better than themselves at bowl time. There are several reasons to explain why that happens in a given season, though the year-after-year reason for it is the league's teams' ability to sell tickets to its bowl games at a better rate than the schools from other leagues, which makes them more attractive invites.
Well, yeah, the SEC plays down, except for the years they play each other in BCS games, I guess.
If one is plural, then sure.
Hey, the SEC has been the best league. Now it's easy to take that simple truth too far (for example, thinking Georgia warranted the No. 3 ranking before the SEC title game), but it's been the best league for quite some time, which means that its teams will typically be matched up against lesser foes in the bowl games.
I'm not so sure. I think Austin and Bailey are special receivers and Geno is alright, but this isn't a special offense. They aren't doing anything today, they have been entirely shutdown at times this season but unimpressive defenses. They are extremely thin on offense this year and it showed every time they faced a team without Bailey or when a team had enough depth in the secondary to cover the only two play makers on that side of the ball. I know they were a top 20 offense this year, but a lot of that production came against crappy defenses. If Holgorsen is who he should be, they will be fine on offense next year and better on defense. Of course, at this point, I don't expect them to do better than 6-6, maybe 7-5, with two wins against FCS teams (and I wouldn't be shocked to see Georgia Southern beat them).
I really don't like this team right now, and they deserve to lose, but the refs have been awful today.
Edit: Mother of God, I hate this ####### team. Ever seen a screen before you ########?
And another ####### penalty, this time on a kickoff. Game over, season over, good riddance.
For about a decade now, yes. Obviously so.
UGA played a Bama team that will destroy ND to a stalemate, more or less.
Oh, they were being ranked based on what was going to happen. Gotcha.
Prior to the SEC title game, Georgia beat one outstanding team all year in an ugly game, and got smoked by the only other good team on its schedule. They had no business bieng ranked where they were. One would have to be seriously deranged to argue otherwise.
So, I've been thinking the Big 12 wasn't as good as the computers suggest. Baylor helped temper that feeling, but the first six quarters of Big 12 football today have reestablished that feeling. I don't feel especially good about the other games, except for maybe TCU vs. MSU.
But I do tend to think that the Big 12 is overmatched in the top games. Part of that is because Oregon is in the discussion for the best team in the country. I think A&M is better than Oklahoma, as well. The Big 12 was thought highly of by the computers in a lot of respects because it was so deep.
If Texas showed some willingness to throw the ball downfield I think they'd have success here. At the very least, they can't run on Oregon State because they're 100% committed to stopping it. Just like Oklahoma and half the other teams they've played.
3 Safeties
I think there was another 3 safety game a couple years ago, but can't remember who was playing. Don't forget the classic Iowa v Penn State, 6-4 thriller in 2004.
Oh yeah, forgot about that one.
Part of that is because Oregon is in the discussion for the best team in the country. I think A&M is better than Oklahoma, as well. The Big 12 was thought highly of by the computers in a lot of respects because it was so deep.
Well, that and the entire conference mostly took care of business against bad teams. But other than the UCLA win, they have done very little OOC. I guess it's a conference full of good to decent teams with no top. But a lot of these teams appear to be more decent than good (WV, Texas Tech, Texas).
On an Alabama message board I saw someone make the comment that if Texas A&M played in the Big 12 this year they would have been playing for the title. Don't think that is true at all...but an interesting thought.
I seriously doubt that. A&M was up and down this year. They would have run into less great teams, but this is a team that almost loss to Ole Miss and LA Tech. I'm sure at least one Big 12 team, and probably two, would get them on their off weeks. They probably have the same record playing so many bowl teams.
Ah so 4th in the SEC West is equal to Big Ten co-champs.
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