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OT: November College Football Thread.

Alabama Is still Ranked #1.  Will they hold steady to repeat? Make it to the title game?  Or does another team claim the Crystal ball in Miami in January.

Mess with the Meat, you get the Wad! Posted: November 01, 2012 at 01:43 PM | 3408 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   2101. Rickey! On a blog from 1998. With the candlestick. Posted: December 29, 2012 at 10:14 PM (#4334395)
Prior to the SEC title game, Georgia beat one outstanding team all year in an ugly game, and got smoked by the only other good team on its schedule. They had no business bieng ranked where they were.


And yet they were good enough to take Bama down to within one tipped pass at the line from a trip to the SEC championship.
   2102. Cowboy Popup Posted: December 29, 2012 at 10:14 PM (#4334396)
Ah so 4th in the SEC West is equal to Big Ten co-champs.

That's a deceptive way to phrase it. Bama was the third highest ranked team in the SEC at the end of the season. MSU was the third highest ranked team in the Big Ten at the end of the season.

I mean, Ohio St. beat Arkansas that year, and both were non-champ BCS reps, using your phrasing, that's an even matchup that the Big Ten won. But I don't think it's reasonable to argue that year's Arkansas team was better than that year's Bama team, especially at the end of the year.
   2103. Cowboy Popup Posted: December 29, 2012 at 10:16 PM (#4334397)
Hey look! David Ash can run! Why did Texas not know that before?
   2104. Spivey Posted: December 29, 2012 at 10:19 PM (#4334398)
Ash ran the ball well. But the key was that Texas was willing to throw the ball downfield. You're ####### Texas, you have All American wide receivers and if they aren't it's because the QB isn't good enough.
   2105. Cowboy Popup Posted: December 29, 2012 at 10:23 PM (#4334401)
Ash ran the ball well. But the key was that Texas was willing to throw the ball downfield. You're ####### Texas, you have All American wide receivers and if they aren't it's because the QB isn't good enough.

Yeah, stretching out the field definitely helped open up some lanes. It's a good sign for Texas that Applewhite seems to have figured that out. Big series here for the Texas O, Texas' D is fired up right now and the momentum is in their favor. Gotta keep it up here.
   2106. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: December 29, 2012 at 10:26 PM (#4334405)
Quack.
   2107. Spivey Posted: December 29, 2012 at 10:27 PM (#4334406)
David Ash has the pocket awareness of a drunk moose.
   2108. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: December 29, 2012 at 10:29 PM (#4334407)
That's a good one (drunk moose), his motions are at what looks like half speed.
   2109. Every Inge Counts Posted: December 29, 2012 at 10:40 PM (#4334414)
I mean, Ohio St. beat Arkansas that year, and both were non-champ BCS reps, using your phrasing, that's an even matchup that the Big Ten won. But I don't think it's reasonable to argue that year's Arkansas team was better than that year's Bama team, especially at the end of the year.



That is actually a case of the SEC scheduling up. Ohio State were Big Ten co-champs with one loss (Wisconsin, Michigan State, and Ohio State all finished with one loss in the Big Ten, all three had one L going into the bowl season). Arkansas was 3rd place in the SEC West (with 2 losses). Of course that game never happened in the record book either.
   2110. SoSH U at work Posted: December 29, 2012 at 10:50 PM (#4334419)
Arkansas was 3rd place in the SEC West (with 2 losses).


No, they were tied for second (and beat the other two-loss team). Otherwise, the other SEC West runner-up would have been playing against OSU.

   2111. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: December 29, 2012 at 10:52 PM (#4334422)
Then this Ash shows up for a play.
   2112. Cowboy Popup Posted: December 29, 2012 at 10:52 PM (#4334423)
Nice moves by Ash there. This is going to have an exciting finish.
   2113. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: December 29, 2012 at 10:54 PM (#4334426)
Spivey, watching this with a friend of mine, we were talking about 'old' guys playing college football. Who was that UT RB that was supposedly 30 or so when they played VT in that Sugar Bowl in '95?
   2114. Spivey Posted: December 29, 2012 at 10:55 PM (#4334427)
That was a great play by David Ash. I won't say that often, but I have to give credit when it's due.
   2115. Cowboy Popup Posted: December 29, 2012 at 10:55 PM (#4334428)
Arkansas was 3rd place in the SEC West (with 2 losses).

Can we at least stop with the place in the SEC West stuff? The 4, or maybe 5 best teams in the SEC that year were in the SEC West. 3rd or 4th in the west is 3rd or 4th in the conference.

And as Spivey notes, they were tied for second. And they beat LSU. That's why they went to the Sugar Bowl and LSU went to the Cotton Bowl.
   2116. Cowboy Popup Posted: December 29, 2012 at 10:57 PM (#4334429)
The D on that screen was downright WV-esque.
   2117. Spivey Posted: December 29, 2012 at 10:57 PM (#4334430)
Texas really sucks at guarding the screen.
   2118. Spivey Posted: December 29, 2012 at 10:59 PM (#4334433)
Spivey, watching this with a friend of mine, we were talking about 'old' guys playing college football. Who was that UT RB that was supposedly 30 or so when they played VT in that Sugar Bowl in '95?


I was 11 then and unfortunately can't answer this question.
   2119. Spivey Posted: December 29, 2012 at 11:00 PM (#4334434)
If Texas wins this game, I'll be as giddy as a pig in ####. I'll also have serious, serious questions about why Riley did not sub out their terrible, injured-ankle QB.
   2120. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: December 29, 2012 at 11:07 PM (#4334436)
According to the 7,600-word Wikipedia entry about the 1995 Sugar Bowl, Texas reserve cornerback Ron McKelvey was a 30-year-old impostor using an assumed name.
   2121. Spivey Posted: December 29, 2012 at 11:08 PM (#4334438)
GET THE BALL TO QUISE!!!!!~!
   2122. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: December 29, 2012 at 11:11 PM (#4334440)
Ron Weaver, UT Imposter

He actually was exposed the night before the Sugar Bowl when it was reported by a newspaper. Check it out, this was/is a really good story about the guy I was talking about (30 year old suiting up for UT). He vanished the night before the game.
   2123. Spivey Posted: December 29, 2012 at 11:14 PM (#4334442)
ALEX OKAFOR IS A MAN! HE'S 30!
   2124. Spivey Posted: December 29, 2012 at 11:17 PM (#4334443)
That is an inspired performance by Okafor and the defensive line.
   2125. Cowboy Popup Posted: December 29, 2012 at 11:18 PM (#4334444)
Congrats Spivey, big win.
   2126. Spivey Posted: December 29, 2012 at 11:21 PM (#4334445)
That was a great game. Oregon State is a really good team. I knew they were good, but I was impressed at how much they shut down the run. Their QB just sucks. They remind me of Texas, but with a better secondary and a worse QB.
   2127. Mike Webber Posted: December 29, 2012 at 11:39 PM (#4334450)
Congrats Spivey.
If you haven't seen TCU their defensive ends are what you want to watch, I think they have two NFLers there.
   2128. Mike Webber Posted: December 29, 2012 at 11:40 PM (#4334451)
Okay, I know Spivey has seen TCU, I meant anyone else just watching a random bowl game.
   2129. Spivey Posted: December 29, 2012 at 11:40 PM (#4334452)
I was very thoroughly underwhelmed by the Oregon State receivers. I am not saying I doubt their ability. I just felt that they weren't given opportunities to excel.
   2130. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: December 29, 2012 at 11:41 PM (#4334453)
Great effort by UT beating a quality team. OSU was pretty stingy on the run all year. They held UW to virtually nothing (albeit 'old OL coach.')
   2131. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: December 29, 2012 at 11:43 PM (#4334454)
Patterson (and their D) is very well coached. Really fast to both sidelines. Interested to see if MSU gets stupid, the way Wisconsin did vs TCU in the Rose Bowl and tries to keep running outside.
   2132. Cowboy Popup Posted: December 30, 2012 at 12:21 AM (#4334465)
TCU is going to be terrifying next year. In a Big 12 that is filled rebuilding teams (OU, Texas Tech, K-St., WV at least), they are going to win a lot of football games.
   2133. Spivey Posted: December 30, 2012 at 12:22 AM (#4334466)
I just don't see MSU being able to move the ball on TCU consistently. TCU's QB isn't good, so if they can shut down the run they may be able to get some big plays on defense.
   2134. Spivey Posted: December 30, 2012 at 12:23 AM (#4334467)
TCU is worse than Texas this year and Texas is returning almost everyone important besides Okafor.

Edit: Oklahoma always reloads too.
   2135. Cowboy Popup Posted: December 30, 2012 at 12:26 AM (#4334468)
TCU is worse than Texas this year and Texas is returning almost everyone important besides Okafor.

I think Texas ought to be the favorite next year, but TCU is probably going to be right behind them. And TCU beat Texas this year, in Texas, and play at TCU next year, so even a better Texas squad might not prevent them from winning the conference.

I think I would add Baylor to the rebuilding list too. And I really don't see Iowa St or Kansas challenging for the title. So Texas, TCU and OU (because they are OU) look like the cream of the conference next year.
   2136. Spivey Posted: December 30, 2012 at 12:28 AM (#4334469)
TCU is jumping these routes like it's going out of style.
   2137. Cowboy Popup Posted: December 30, 2012 at 12:30 AM (#4334471)
That trick play was almost a disaster.
   2138. Mike Webber Posted: December 30, 2012 at 12:40 AM (#4334477)
Edit: Oklahoma always reloads too.

Lot of OU fans feel like they will be better without Landry, I don't know if I agree though.

QB play will be way down I'm thinking across the board in the conference. Other than the OKst QB the guys that are coming back aren't that impressive.

MSU better do something before halftime or this might be a wipe out. The thing about TCU is they can rush 4 and bring plenty of pressure, so if you have to throw it's bad news.
   2139. Spivey Posted: December 30, 2012 at 02:10 AM (#4334498)
Wow, that TCU punt returner really ###### his team there.
   2140. Cowboy Popup Posted: December 30, 2012 at 02:27 AM (#4334502)
Money kick by the TCU freshman. Holy cow.
   2141. Spivey Posted: December 30, 2012 at 02:27 AM (#4334503)
That was a money ####### kick.
   2142. Spivey Posted: December 30, 2012 at 02:36 AM (#4334506)
I'd have liked to have seen a replay of the holding on the TCU player.
   2143. Spivey Posted: December 30, 2012 at 02:39 AM (#4334508)
How the #### was that pass interference flag picked up?
   2144. Spivey Posted: December 30, 2012 at 02:43 AM (#4334509)
I'm glad that Boykin is not my quarterback, because he's a ####### bum. I don't even understand how TCU lost this game.
   2145. Cowboy Popup Posted: December 30, 2012 at 02:43 AM (#4334510)
I can't believe TCU lost that game.
   2146. Mike Webber Posted: December 30, 2012 at 01:39 PM (#4334608)
From a K-State email I recieved

We already see evidence of the Purple Pride invasion and we are estimating that between 30,000 and 40,000 K-Staters will be here for the game. Congratulations and thanks are due, again, to our incredible fans as the 22,500-plus Fiesta Bowl tickets distributed through the K-State ticket office were tops in the Big 12 and third only to Stanford (Rose Bowl) and Ole Miss (Compass Bowl) for tickets sold through participating schools.


Have I mentioned I will be at the Fiesta Bowl? Like 20 times probably.
   2147. Mike Webber Posted: December 30, 2012 at 01:55 PM (#4334616)
I just wanted to show that email from KSU because of the interesting notes up on the previous page about the broken bowl ticket system. I got mine through the school and am sitting in the upper deck, though it is less than half of what tickets are going for currently in the lower middle.

I think, if I go again to a non-BCS, non-Cotton, game I'll wait and stub hub at the last minute.
   2148. just plain joe Posted: December 30, 2012 at 02:14 PM (#4334627)
I think, if I go again to a non-BCS, non-Cotton, game I'll wait and stub hub at the last minute.


That is probably the best bet. Several years ago, when Kentucky played Florida State in the Music City Bowl, we decided at literally the last minute to go. We were able to get 8 tickets together (4 in one row and 4 in the next) for something like 30-35% of face value. If we had been willing to settle for random pairs, we could have gotten them a lot cheaper than that. For the life of me I don't see how schools can possibly sell their guarantees when tickets are so readily available from other sources.
   2149. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: December 30, 2012 at 02:17 PM (#4334629)
I've been to seven bowl games (Rose, Orange 2xs, Fiesta 2xs, Holiday, Music City) (3 MNC games) and the only time it was a total seller's market was that Nebraska v Florida Fiesta Bowl. 6/7 of those were sell outs/very close to sellouts, but for the Music City.
   2150. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: December 31, 2012 at 04:36 PM (#4335522)
Vandy with longest wining streak in the SEC. Handled NCST pretty well today. GT v USC not exactly a beauty pageant. GT's Redshirt FR QB getting the snaps, looks immeasurably better than T Wash, at least as a specimen.
   2151. Mess with the Meat, you get the Wad! Posted: December 31, 2012 at 05:44 PM (#4335574)
It's fun to watch usc struggle
   2152. DA Baracus Posted: December 31, 2012 at 06:11 PM (#4335584)
GT's Redshirt FR QB getting the snaps, looks immeasurably better than T Wash, at least as a specimen.


Tevin Washington is the worst passer I've ever seen. Vad Lee struggles with consistency but he's young, should improve. Plus he has a badass name.
   2153. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: December 31, 2012 at 06:13 PM (#4335587)
Washington is definitely in the mix, both today and in recent history.

USC is setting the gold standard for not showing up to play. 5 first downs so far in 50 minutes of football.
   2154. spike Posted: December 31, 2012 at 07:54 PM (#4335633)
PAC-12 is 2-4 so far - ouch.
   2155. OCF Posted: December 31, 2012 at 08:34 PM (#4335652)
How much of a leash does Lane Kiffin have, anyway?

The whole Sun Bowl experience was a PR debacle for USC, who were too open about not wanting to be there. Then they lost, badly. Yes, some of it was that Max Wittek had a bad game, but seriously - he looked like no one had ever really coached him on how to be a QB. Isn't there something there that a coaching staff is supposed to accomplish, given someone who seems to have the appropriate physical tools?
   2156. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: December 31, 2012 at 09:45 PM (#4335671)
How much of a leash does Lane Kiffin have, anyway?

As of a month ago USC had the consensus #1 recruiting class in the country despite the scholarship limits. I imagine his leash will be closely related to how well he keeps that class together and how his next one looks.
   2157. DA Baracus Posted: December 31, 2012 at 09:52 PM (#4335676)
As of a month ago USC had the consensus #1 recruiting class in the country despite the scholarship limits.


Yeah, but they're going to be coached by Lane Kiffin.
   2158. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: December 31, 2012 at 10:06 PM (#4335681)
Boise staying in the MWC.
   2159. Mike Webber Posted: December 31, 2012 at 11:11 PM (#4335708)
Boise staying in the MWC.

And on the hook for a $10 million exit fee to boot, if ESPN is correct.
   2160. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: January 01, 2013 at 12:00 AM (#4335725)
Les Miles getting too cute again.
   2161. The Yankee Clapper Posted: January 01, 2013 at 12:22 AM (#4335734)
Did someone forget to tell Clemson that they were playing a SEC school? We were told that was all that mattered.
   2162. Mike Webber Posted: January 01, 2013 at 12:38 AM (#4335740)
I think I have seen two LSU games this year, and in both of them their play calling at the end has been terrible.
   2163. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: January 01, 2013 at 08:50 AM (#4335795)
I thought the pass call on second down worked great. QB misses a wide open dude.
   2164. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: January 01, 2013 at 10:35 AM (#4335810)
on wisconsin!
   2165. clowns to the left of me; STEAGLES to the right Posted: January 01, 2013 at 11:35 AM (#4335829)
apparently the state of pennsylvania is preparing a lawsuit against the NCAA concerning the sanctions against penn state.
   2166. Rickey! On a blog from 1998. With the candlestick. Posted: January 01, 2013 at 12:06 PM (#4335842)
apparently the state of pennsylvania is preparing a lawsuit against the NCAA concerning the sanctions against penn state.


Of course they are. Because they're idiots.
   2167. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: January 01, 2013 at 01:12 PM (#4335882)
look at northwestern showing some defense
   2168. JJ1986 Posted: January 01, 2013 at 01:16 PM (#4335886)
The Heart of Dallas Bowl feels like a game that should be on a Thursday in mid-December. How did they get on New Year's Day?
   2169. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: January 01, 2013 at 01:34 PM (#4335894)
the northwestern player breaking up the screen play was textbook

great job
   2170. Spivey Posted: January 01, 2013 at 01:45 PM (#4335901)
Miss State looks awful. They seem like they thought just being from the SEC and showing up would mean they'd win. Hey guys, you're not the reason why teams fear the SEC.
   2171. Spivey Posted: January 01, 2013 at 01:46 PM (#4335902)
That pass by Boyd on 4th and 16 last night was incredible.
   2172. Spivey Posted: January 01, 2013 at 01:50 PM (#4335906)
I think Lane Kiffin has to be fired. What happened with the entire team shitting all over the Sun Bowl and El Paso (which, granted, is a shitty city) was extremely unbecoming. And then only being able to score 7 points against Georgia Tech? This is a team that gave up 49 points vs. MTSU and 50 vs. UNC.

Recruiting doesn't matter if you can't develop the players. And let's be honest, USC basically recruits itself. It's not like the next coach isn't going to be able to get top 10 classes as well.
   2173. Spivey Posted: January 01, 2013 at 01:55 PM (#4335913)
Back to back picks! Russell, the Miss St QB, is dire.
   2174. Mess with the Meat, you get the Wad! Posted: January 01, 2013 at 02:05 PM (#4335921)
I like that they introduced to vets at the coin toss for UGA and NEB
   2175. JJ1986 Posted: January 01, 2013 at 02:07 PM (#4335922)
Oh no, what is Jon Gruden doing there?
   2176. Spivey Posted: January 01, 2013 at 02:12 PM (#4335925)
I think the Outback Bowl matchup seems more exciting than the Capital 1 bowl. Nebraska is such an ugly team to watch when they're playing someone with a good pass defense.
   2177. Spivey Posted: January 01, 2013 at 02:15 PM (#4335927)
The Capital 1 bowl being on field turf is ridiculous.
   2178. hokieneer Posted: January 01, 2013 at 02:17 PM (#4335929)
I think the Outback Bowl matchup seems more exciting than the Capital 1 bowl. Nebraska is such an ugly team to watch when they're playing someone with a good pass defense.


Me too. That's the one I chose to start watching and then flipping from it. Michigan hasn't looked good so far, this might get out of hand.
   2179. SoSH U at work Posted: January 01, 2013 at 02:22 PM (#4335938)
The Heart of Dallas Bowl feels like a game that should be on a Thursday in mid-December. How did they get on New Year's Day?


Penn State and Ohio State being ineligible is the easy answer. As a Purdue fan, I figured this would be the worst team to ever play in a New Year's Day bowl game. Nothing so far has disabused me of that notion.

   2180. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: January 01, 2013 at 02:29 PM (#4335941)
Anyone think it is strange that the three sec/big10 bowls are on at the same time?
   2181. Spivey Posted: January 01, 2013 at 02:30 PM (#4335942)
Oklahoma State is a very solid team. I think that Texas winning @OkSt may be their best win of the year, even better than the win vs. Oregon State.
   2182. Spivey Posted: January 01, 2013 at 02:31 PM (#4335946)
I miss the days of my youth when there were bowl games - IIRC the Outback - that started at 10am.
   2183. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: January 01, 2013 at 02:35 PM (#4335951)
I would be thrilled if the Big 10 could somehow sweep all three of these.
   2184. Spivey Posted: January 01, 2013 at 02:42 PM (#4335957)
According to my transitive calculations, Wisconsin is about 60 points better than Alabama.
   2185. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: January 01, 2013 at 02:44 PM (#4335960)
I always think of the Outback and Capital One Bowls as interchangeable
.at least since they took the Citrus Bowl monicker away.
   2186. Spivey Posted: January 01, 2013 at 02:47 PM (#4335961)
The Capital 1 bowl has demanded me put it on.
   2187. Spivey Posted: January 01, 2013 at 02:50 PM (#4335966)
The first quarters of these games has not disappointed.
   2188. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: January 01, 2013 at 02:51 PM (#4335967)
Both these games are great so far.
   2189. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: January 01, 2013 at 02:53 PM (#4335973)
Terrible sequence for Nebraska...comfortably in fg range, they spend three plays going backwards them get a bad snap/hold.
   2190. Mike Webber Posted: January 01, 2013 at 03:01 PM (#4335983)
With the display that Purdue put on in the first half it is clear why the number one team in the country had such a hard time beating them...
   2191. Mess with the Meat, you get the Wad! Posted: January 01, 2013 at 03:05 PM (#4335989)
Mike that was back when the QB didnt have a torn acl, the third of his career
   2192. Rickey! On a blog from 1998. With the candlestick. Posted: January 01, 2013 at 03:06 PM (#4335990)
I like that they introduced to vets at the coin toss for UGA and NEB


Because no one has ever fellated the military at a football game before.
   2193. SoSH U at work Posted: January 01, 2013 at 03:06 PM (#4335991)
With the display that Purdue put on in the first half it is clear why the number one team in the country had such a hard time beating them...


Purdue two best performances this season were losses against the only two unbeatens.
   2194. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: January 01, 2013 at 03:09 PM (#4335993)
northwestern looked on its heels, get a tough 3rd down pass to work and then bang/bang into the end zone
   2195. Rickey! On a blog from 1998. With the candlestick. Posted: January 01, 2013 at 03:10 PM (#4335994)
Nebraska still can't defend a wildcat formation, I see.
   2196. Mike Webber Posted: January 01, 2013 at 03:10 PM (#4335995)
Anyone think it is strange that the three sec/big10 bowls are on at the same time?

I think this is just bizarre. Being a big 12 fan if my team isn't playing I'll usually watch a Big 12 game over another league, like say OK St vs Purdue, even if the other league has "better" teams facing off. To me this seems to cannibalize your secondary audience.

The Georgia vs Nebraska game is a win/win for me, if Georgia wins those jerks in Nebraska lose, if Nebraska wins I gain in my bowl pool - confidence points compared to the other top teams.
   2197. cmd600 Posted: January 01, 2013 at 03:14 PM (#4336002)
Anyone think it is strange that the three sec/big10 bowls are on at the same time?


Not much else to do when ESPN has the rights to all these games. They won't pair anything against the BCS games later, so its either move the game to a different day or kick off four games by 1:30 ET.
   2198. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: January 01, 2013 at 03:21 PM (#4336007)
so it's the northwestern defense showing up today?

go figure
   2199. Fernigal McGunnigle has become a merry hat Posted: January 01, 2013 at 03:28 PM (#4336013)
This is a team that gave up 49 points vs. MTSU and 50 vs. UNC.


Not to argue that Ga Tech has a good defense, but I would like to point out that UNC finished 10th in the nation in scoring offense. They weren't bad.
   2200. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: January 01, 2013 at 03:29 PM (#4336015)
northwestern with a 2 td lead

see if they can hang on
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