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Also UGA is a bunch of dumbasses. But they win games. And those teams are all YOUNG.
Except Alabama when they got 440 yards as I recall.
So if they run the table from here on out, their record goes from mediocre to good? Very impressive, Christopher. What happens if they lose those three?
I do like the way Harvey has started calling you Christopher. That's the best thing in this thread.
I am excited to watch tonight's game, this is for 3rd in the country
This. Vandy replaced UT as the vaguely talented, directionless program from Tennessee that doesn't completely suck but isn't all that great this year, but the SEC West was down two usually talented squads in AK and AU. Granted, they did pick up A&M to take up some of that slack. (When will the SEC realize AU should be in the East and Mizzou in the West?)
I admittedly didn't watch the Sugar Bowl (or any bowl that hasn't been on broadcast telly) so I can easily accept the idea that they just got punked by a superior talent at QB and that L'ville is this year where Baylor was with RGIII.
Michigan was also missing its #1 tailback. And with it clear to everyone that whenever Robinson lined up under center that they were going to run the ball because of his bad elbow.
This is what I'm talking about. The first thing said when the SEC doesn't dominate is some excuse, even if it is comparable to (or less than) the setbacks their opponent faces.
Then don't call that play.
Seriously? Well, I guess So. Car. wasn't inconvenienced by the Lattimore injury because they could have just thrown every play.
Exactly. At this point in the season, every team is screwed up. In addition to missing its #1 RB and having its #1 QB turned into an RB, michigan was also missing a key defensive back (which was a big reason why the verts was so deadly) and their all-conference punter (shockingly, a punt was returned for a touchdown, though to be fair Michigan's punt coverage was dogshit all season anyways).
Point being, wah wah wah. The SEC is the strongest conference, perhaps, but the difference between any of the major conferences is incremental and probably much of the apparent year-to-year variance in who is "up" or "down" is just random noise from short seasons.
Samuel, on the other hand, has no excuse.
I mean does it matter that whenever anybody lines up a RB in the Wildcat formation it is going to be a run 99% of the time as well.
I said it before, but I think the grind of the SEC is what makes it a better conference-I don't think many other conferences have to deal with the back-to-back (and to-back games sometimes) that the SEC has to deal with. The Big 12 and the Pac-12 are two other conferences that are right up there with the SEC.
This this this. I guess the reason that the SEC powers that be refuse to split Bama & Auburn is that if they didn't play each other every year, the world would end, but isn't that easily remedied by the schedule makers? I get that there's some sort of arrangement whereby schools in each division are committed to playing the same school in the other division every year, (Arkansas' is South Carolina, I think, for no apparent reason that occurs to me except I guess that we came into the conference the same year ... ours should be Missouri, for geographical reasons, as long as they're in the East, & failing that I guess Tennessee), but is there some law that prohibits there being two such arrangements per team?
(Who's Alabama's set-in-stone interdivisional rival? Tennessee? Is Auburn's Georgia? My head is starting to hurt ...)
Auburn-Georgia
For those two fan bases sometimes those rivalries are bigger than the Alabama-Auburn one.
I'm a friggin' Yellowjacket fan for god's sake. But I recognize superior talent when I see it. (Watching UNC try to pull of the SEC "recruiting" boondoggle with no idea how to cover their tracks has been terribly entertaining to me.)
UGA rivalries, in order of importance to the fan bases:
Florida, Florida, Florida, Florida, Auburn, Florida, Florida, GA Tech, Tennessee/USCe.
And Florida.
There's no reason a 14 team SEC can't schedule two standing cross-division games such that AL plays TN and AU while AU is shifted to the East. If they ever go 16 super conference that becomes even more obvious.
As you should know from baseball, the eye is a terrible judge of anything subtle because it tends to confirm preconceived biases. If you do anything quantitative - count the recruiting stars, the NFL draft picks, the various computer ranking systems, etc. - it comes out that the SEC is the strongest conference, but not by much, from a competitive point of view. The notion that you can "see" the difference is ridiculous; almost as silly as the notion that the SEC magically has "faster" players.
He said, in one of the pre-game comments they show during the game, "We hate Auburn because we have to. We hate Tennessee because we want to."
It helps when they kick the crap out of the other team in the national title game.
You really are just whining about losing all the time.
Those observations aren't about which team anyone likes, its just understanding football.
I was impressed with Texas A&M's ability to land feet first in the conference.
Irrationality? Cite?
I haven't really offered any excuses in this regard. I thought it clear to anyone that the Angry Chickens without Lattimore is essentially Minnesota with Adrian Peterson. Yes, Christian Ponder *can* throw every down, but that's not what the team is built for. And the only statement I've made about "domination" was couched in "if we're going with 'shoulda been' logic" brackets, and noted that barring a dropped pass by Taverras King, UGA should have won by three TDs rather than two.
Because they are sick of being pushed down in the mud while the SEC stomps around with all the hardware.
And when they lose to Utah they can just say they weren't trying. You can argue that there's a great UofA run. Or a state of Alabama run (4 out of 5 championships from the state, with the possibility of 5 out of 6), but to then say the SEC as a whole is the best conference is a bit rich.
I'll put it this way, if Ole Miss for some reason got good next year, they would have a better chance of getting into the NC game than say, Boise State, and that's ########.
Nah they got smacked in the mouth early and never recovered in that game.
and if most teams from the Power conferences were good all of a sudden they would make the title game over Boise State. That is not just a SEC thing.....
Ah, gotcha. So, Michigan's quarterback (and #1 rb) being injured was a net positive for them. Probably that was the only reason they were able to keep it competitive. And that's "just understanding football." Really, I could give two craps about Michigan, but what?
He is. But Robinson is better as a dual-threat than he is as a pure runner.
It *hurts them less*. Don't be so dense.
But this -is- an excuse, and I don't think it's at all clear that Lattimore was so essential to SC this season. 4.6 ypc and visually less explosive; the first injury turned him from an Adrian Peterson clone to more of a LeVeon Bell-type.
Things you said in response to robinson being injured: "when Michigan doesn't pass, that's good for them because they have a ruynning offense." I'll make a note that when you say "good for them" you actually mean sort of bad for them.
If your point is just that Lattimore's injury > Robinson's injury + Touissant's injury + Floyd's suspension then fair enough I suppose. I think you're probably wrong, but I haven't watched either team enough to fight about it.
Since they did not suspend the Georgia player who tried to eye-gouge Dee Milliner....
Lame penalty.
That should make it a 1.5 point safety.
Basically, they were in a position where they were going to have to get one two pointer. They could either get it in three tries or in two.
I've always believed in going for the two on the first try because I like information. If you don't get it, you know that two more scores are required.
The end result of many just-friends hooking up, I'm afraid.
We'll aren't you just pleasant company.
Well what was it then? It was the first thing you brought up about the game, and completely ignored the injury issues on the other side of the field. It was being a partisan homer, whether you want to call it an excuse or not.
Well it's nice that you eventually got around to noticing that at least.
This is odd, as I haven't expressed an allegiance in particular. You literally have no idea how my favorite team has done. Of course, that's never going to stop you from assuming everyone outside the SEC couldn't be anything but jealous.
FWIW, conventional coaching wisdom is that you don't go for two before you have to.
It's not that complex.
As for UM, my wife went there and I have watched nearly every one of their games (for about 20 years). Its not complex analysis to say that when a team has poor passing, something that discourages their pass game doesn't really hurt them much.
The sophistication of this pithy distillation of game theory is knee-buckling. Sir, you are a play-calling genius.
Reducing the effectiveness of a minor component of an arsenal is less damaging that reducing the effectiveness of a major component of an arsenal.
I thought it was pretty straightforward, and I am glad I could help explain it so you and others could understand.
Well, when you take on the entire band, you deserve how you feel.
Quote marks usually signify that you are lifting something someone else said. I may be overlooking it, but I don't think I've said "them" at all, much less in regards to the SEC. This is just you projecting whatever nonsense is going on in your head. The only reason I can think of for you to get so upset at someone poking at the over-the-top SEC braggadocio is that you don't like just how well-deserved that poking is.
And in regards to my team's hardware, I am happy enough with what they have and what position they are in that I don't have to project my conference's success as the overarching goal.
Again, your game theory analysis is spot on. I quiver at the thought of encountering you at the tables some day, master of strategy!
Edit to add:
Michigan - 97th in the nation in passing ypg
South Carolina - 91st in the nation in rushing ypg
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