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OT: November College Football Thread.

Alabama Is still Ranked #1.  Will they hold steady to repeat? Make it to the title game?  Or does another team claim the Crystal ball in Miami in January.

odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: November 01, 2012 at 01:43 PM | 3408 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   2801. Foghorn Leghorn Posted: January 03, 2013 at 04:41 PM (#4338213)
Take it from an Arkansas fan who works with an Auburn fan -- it was a very down year.
As a Vol, I can see that. Secondly, #### Florida. That's really first. Also, #### Spurrier. Too bad that didn't work out. But also, damn they can win games.

Also UGA is a bunch of dumbasses. But they win games. And those teams are all YOUNG.
   2802. stanmvp48 Posted: January 03, 2013 at 04:56 PM (#4338236)
"but LSU has been defense all year, with not much offense"

Except Alabama when they got 440 yards as I recall.
   2803. Tom Nawrocki Posted: January 03, 2013 at 05:02 PM (#4338244)

The SEC has three more bowl games - if they win those three they go 6-3 in bowls and (another) national championship.


So if they run the table from here on out, their record goes from mediocre to good? Very impressive, Christopher. What happens if they lose those three?

I do like the way Harvey has started calling you Christopher. That's the best thing in this thread.
   2804. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: January 03, 2013 at 05:10 PM (#4338247)
His head explodes?

I am excited to watch tonight's game, this is for 3rd in the country
   2805. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: January 03, 2013 at 05:14 PM (#4338253)
Take it from an Arkansas fan who works with an Auburn fan -- it was a very down year.


This. Vandy replaced UT as the vaguely talented, directionless program from Tennessee that doesn't completely suck but isn't all that great this year, but the SEC West was down two usually talented squads in AK and AU. Granted, they did pick up A&M to take up some of that slack. (When will the SEC realize AU should be in the East and Mizzou in the West?)

I admittedly didn't watch the Sugar Bowl (or any bowl that hasn't been on broadcast telly) so I can easily accept the idea that they just got punked by a superior talent at QB and that L'ville is this year where Baylor was with RGIII.
   2806. cmd600 Posted: January 03, 2013 at 05:54 PM (#4338307)
SoCar lost Lattimore and so they played Michigan without that part of their running game


Michigan was also missing its #1 tailback. And with it clear to everyone that whenever Robinson lined up under center that they were going to run the ball because of his bad elbow.

This is what I'm talking about. The first thing said when the SEC doesn't dominate is some excuse, even if it is comparable to (or less than) the setbacks their opponent faces.
   2807. Every Inge Counts Posted: January 03, 2013 at 06:15 PM (#4338336)
And with it clear to everyone that whenever Robinson lined up under center that they were going to run the ball because of his bad elbow.



Then don't call that play.
   2808. Howling John Shade Posted: January 03, 2013 at 06:29 PM (#4338358)
Then don't call that play.


Seriously? Well, I guess So. Car. wasn't inconvenienced by the Lattimore injury because they could have just thrown every play.
   2809. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: January 03, 2013 at 06:36 PM (#4338363)
This is what I'm talking about. The first thing said when the SEC doesn't dominate is some excuse, even if it is comparable to (or less than) the setbacks their opponent faces.


Exactly. At this point in the season, every team is screwed up. In addition to missing its #1 RB and having its #1 QB turned into an RB, michigan was also missing a key defensive back (which was a big reason why the verts was so deadly) and their all-conference punter (shockingly, a punt was returned for a touchdown, though to be fair Michigan's punt coverage was dogshit all season anyways).

Point being, wah wah wah. The SEC is the strongest conference, perhaps, but the difference between any of the major conferences is incremental and probably much of the apparent year-to-year variance in who is "up" or "down" is just random noise from short seasons.
   2810. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: January 03, 2013 at 06:38 PM (#4338366)
Also, I didn't realize that Christopher was a Vol fan. That explains the irrationality and bitterness. Hey, Tyler Bray just threw another interception becuase of a busted route and made a funny face about it.

Samuel, on the other hand, has no excuse.
   2811. Every Inge Counts Posted: January 03, 2013 at 06:48 PM (#4338373)
Seriously? Well, I guess So. Car. wasn't inconvenienced by the Lattimore injury because they could have just thrown every play.



I mean does it matter that whenever anybody lines up a RB in the Wildcat formation it is going to be a run 99% of the time as well.

I said it before, but I think the grind of the SEC is what makes it a better conference-I don't think many other conferences have to deal with the back-to-back (and to-back games sometimes) that the SEC has to deal with. The Big 12 and the Pac-12 are two other conferences that are right up there with the SEC.
   2812. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: January 03, 2013 at 06:49 PM (#4338374)
(When will the SEC realize AU should be in the East and Mizzou in the West?)


This this this. I guess the reason that the SEC powers that be refuse to split Bama & Auburn is that if they didn't play each other every year, the world would end, but isn't that easily remedied by the schedule makers? I get that there's some sort of arrangement whereby schools in each division are committed to playing the same school in the other division every year, (Arkansas' is South Carolina, I think, for no apparent reason that occurs to me except I guess that we came into the conference the same year ... ours should be Missouri, for geographical reasons, as long as they're in the East, & failing that I guess Tennessee), but is there some law that prohibits there being two such arrangements per team?

(Who's Alabama's set-in-stone interdivisional rival? Tennessee? Is Auburn's Georgia? My head is starting to hurt ...)
   2813. Every Inge Counts Posted: January 03, 2013 at 06:55 PM (#4338379)
Alabama-Tennessee
Auburn-Georgia

For those two fan bases sometimes those rivalries are bigger than the Alabama-Auburn one.
   2814. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: January 03, 2013 at 07:06 PM (#4338386)
So I gather. I'm told that until fairly recently the Iron Bowl wasn't that huge a deal ... but how far back that was the case, I have no idea. (I've been in Alabama only since 11/01, & of course Arkansas has been in the conference for only a couple of decades.)
   2815. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: January 03, 2013 at 07:11 PM (#4338390)
Samuel, on the other hand, has no excuse.


I'm a friggin' Yellowjacket fan for god's sake. But I recognize superior talent when I see it. (Watching UNC try to pull of the SEC "recruiting" boondoggle with no idea how to cover their tracks has been terribly entertaining to me.)
   2816. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: January 03, 2013 at 07:14 PM (#4338391)
Alabama-Tennessee
Auburn-Georgia

For those two fan bases sometimes those rivalries are bigger than the Alabama-Auburn one.


UGA rivalries, in order of importance to the fan bases:

Florida, Florida, Florida, Florida, Auburn, Florida, Florida, GA Tech, Tennessee/USCe.

And Florida.
   2817. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: January 03, 2013 at 07:17 PM (#4338393)
I'm told that until fairly recently the Iron Bowl wasn't that huge a deal ... but how far back that was the case, I have no idea. (I've been in Alabama only since 11/01, & of course Arkansas has been in the conference for only a couple of decades.)


There's no reason a 14 team SEC can't schedule two standing cross-division games such that AL plays TN and AU while AU is shifted to the East. If they ever go 16 super conference that becomes even more obvious.
   2818. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: January 03, 2013 at 07:52 PM (#4338419)

I'm a friggin' Yellowjacket fan for god's sake. But I recognize superior talent when I see it.


As you should know from baseball, the eye is a terrible judge of anything subtle because it tends to confirm preconceived biases. If you do anything quantitative - count the recruiting stars, the NFL draft picks, the various computer ranking systems, etc. - it comes out that the SEC is the strongest conference, but not by much, from a competitive point of view. The notion that you can "see" the difference is ridiculous; almost as silly as the notion that the SEC magically has "faster" players.
   2819. Tripon Posted: January 03, 2013 at 08:05 PM (#4338424)
The SEC is the best conference in the country because it markets itself as the best conference in the country. So even when its not, people still believe it. Its a freaking marketing play.
   2820. Spivey Posted: January 03, 2013 at 08:42 PM (#4338441)
I heard a great quote from an Alabama player, a year or so ago, that I may be slightly paraphrasing.

He said, in one of the pre-game comments they show during the game, "We hate Auburn because we have to. We hate Tennessee because we want to."
   2821. Spivey Posted: January 03, 2013 at 08:43 PM (#4338442)
I think KSU is going to need to keep their obscene, unsustainable turnover margin going if they're going to win tonight.
   2822. Every Inge Counts Posted: January 03, 2013 at 08:55 PM (#4338450)
The SEC is the best conference in the country because it markets itself as the best conference in the country. So even when its not, people still believe it. Its a freaking marketing play


It helps when they kick the crap out of the other team in the national title game.
   2823. Spivey Posted: January 03, 2013 at 09:05 PM (#4338454)
The only two teams that have gotten the crap kicked out of them during the SEC streak are Ohio State and LSU.
   2824. Spivey Posted: January 03, 2013 at 09:16 PM (#4338463)
#### Dave Matthews.
   2825. Spivey Posted: January 03, 2013 at 09:21 PM (#4338467)
That eagle trained its whole life for that.
   2826. Spivey Posted: January 03, 2013 at 09:30 PM (#4338474)
Well played Kansas State.
   2827. Eddo Posted: January 03, 2013 at 09:31 PM (#4338476)
He was really close to stepping out inside his own ten on that kickoff return TD, I thought.
   2828. Howling John Shade Posted: January 03, 2013 at 09:32 PM (#4338478)
that conversion looked like a rugby play.
   2829. Spivey Posted: January 03, 2013 at 09:42 PM (#4338485)
Not a great start for KSU.
   2830. Foghorn Leghorn Posted: January 03, 2013 at 09:53 PM (#4338495)
What happens if they lose those three?
Wager?
   2831. Foghorn Leghorn Posted: January 03, 2013 at 09:55 PM (#4338497)
This is what I'm talking about. The first thing said when the SEC doesn't dominate is some excuse,
#### you. That's not an excuse as to why they didn't dominate and it wasn't offered as such. Michigan losing Denard was a big problem as well. Those aren't excuses; they are facts.

You really are just whining about losing all the time.
   2832. Foghorn Leghorn Posted: January 03, 2013 at 09:57 PM (#4338499)
Seriously? Well, I guess So. Car. wasn't inconvenienced by the Lattimore injury because they could have just thrown every play.
Well, kind of. But you see, when Michigan doesn't pass, that's good for them because they have a ruynning offense. When SoCar has to pass, well, that's bad for them because they don't have a passing offense.

Those observations aren't about which team anyone likes, its just understanding football.
   2833. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: January 03, 2013 at 09:58 PM (#4338500)
As you should know from baseball, the eye is a terrible judge of anything subtle because it tends to confirm preconceived biases. If you do anything quantitative - count the recruiting stars, the NFL draft picks, the various computer ranking systems, etc. - it comes out that the SEC is the strongest conference, but not by much, from a competitive point of view. The notion that you can "see" the difference is ridiculous; almost as silly as the notion that the SEC magically has "faster" players.


I was impressed with Texas A&M's ability to land feet first in the conference.
   2834. Foghorn Leghorn Posted: January 03, 2013 at 09:58 PM (#4338501)
Also, I didn't realize that Christopher was a Vol fan. That explains the irrationality and bitterness.
I went to grad school in Knoxville.

Irrationality? Cite?
   2835. Spivey Posted: January 03, 2013 at 10:00 PM (#4338504)
De'Anthony Thomas is too fast, too furious with the tokyo drift.
   2836. JJ1986 Posted: January 03, 2013 at 10:01 PM (#4338506)
When people complain about review killing football, this is the kind of play they mean. That's an incredibly obvious score.
   2837. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: January 03, 2013 at 10:01 PM (#4338507)
The first thing said when the SEC doesn't dominate is some excuse,


I haven't really offered any excuses in this regard. I thought it clear to anyone that the Angry Chickens without Lattimore is essentially Minnesota with Adrian Peterson. Yes, Christian Ponder *can* throw every down, but that's not what the team is built for. And the only statement I've made about "domination" was couched in "if we're going with 'shoulda been' logic" brackets, and noted that barring a dropped pass by Taverras King, UGA should have won by three TDs rather than two.
   2838. Foghorn Leghorn Posted: January 03, 2013 at 10:01 PM (#4338508)
Point being, wah wah wah. The SEC is the strongest conference
Right. But most of my comments are *replies*. To some none SEC fan saying "Where are your SEC Gods now!?"

Because they are sick of being pushed down in the mud while the SEC stomps around with all the hardware.
   2839. Tripon Posted: January 03, 2013 at 10:06 PM (#4338512)

It helps when they kick the crap out of the other team in the national title game.


And when they lose to Utah they can just say they weren't trying. You can argue that there's a great UofA run. Or a state of Alabama run (4 out of 5 championships from the state, with the possibility of 5 out of 6), but to then say the SEC as a whole is the best conference is a bit rich.

I'll put it this way, if Ole Miss for some reason got good next year, they would have a better chance of getting into the NC game than say, Boise State, and that's bullshit.
   2840. DA Baracus Posted: January 03, 2013 at 10:07 PM (#4338513)
Ratings for this game will be up due to all the Browns and Eagles fans who want Chip Kelly to be their coach but have never actually watched Oregon, so this is their one chance to watch.
   2841. Every Inge Counts Posted: January 03, 2013 at 10:11 PM (#4338517)
And when they lose to Utah they can just say they weren't trying.



Nah they got smacked in the mouth early and never recovered in that game.


and if most teams from the Power conferences were good all of a sudden they would make the title game over Boise State. That is not just a SEC thing.....
   2842. Spivey Posted: January 03, 2013 at 10:20 PM (#4338523)
Oregon's doing really well of run blitzing up the middle. KSU's runs are generally really slow developing, is vulnerable to that.
   2843. Every Inge Counts Posted: January 03, 2013 at 10:24 PM (#4338526)
Well I hope no one is playing a drinking game for whenever they show Colin Klein's wife on the TV.
   2844. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: January 03, 2013 at 10:24 PM (#4338527)
Utah did to Bama what Louisville did to UF last night. Hit them hard and early and avoid the rebound swing. Both of those SEC teams went into those bowls assuming they would win on name brand and got punked. It happens.
   2845. Howling John Shade Posted: January 03, 2013 at 10:27 PM (#4338528)
Wow, how did he not see that?
   2846. Howling John Shade Posted: January 03, 2013 at 10:27 PM (#4338530)
Well, kind of. But you see, when Michigan doesn't pass, that's good for them because they have a ruynning offense. When SoCar has to pass, well, that's bad for them because they don't have a passing offense.


Ah, gotcha. So, Michigan's quarterback (and #1 rb) being injured was a net positive for them. Probably that was the only reason they were able to keep it competitive. And that's "just understanding football." Really, I could give two craps about Michigan, but what?
   2847. Every Inge Counts Posted: January 03, 2013 at 10:34 PM (#4338533)
I thought everybody believed that Gardener was a better QB than Robinson anyway?
   2848. Cowboy Popup Posted: January 03, 2013 at 10:35 PM (#4338534)
Nice one handed grab there. K-St has definitely settled down on offense.
   2849. JJ1986 Posted: January 03, 2013 at 10:39 PM (#4338538)
I thought everybody believed that Gardener was a better QB than Robinson anyway?


He is. But Robinson is better as a dual-threat than he is as a pure runner.
   2850. Foghorn Leghorn Posted: January 03, 2013 at 10:49 PM (#4338540)
o, Michigan's quarterback (and #1 rb) being injured was a net positive for them.
NO. Here's a conversational tip - don't say I said things that I don't say.

It *hurts them less*. Don't be so dense.

   2851. hokieneer Posted: January 03, 2013 at 10:53 PM (#4338544)
Been a fairly entertaining fiesta bowl so far. Glad ksu settled down.
   2852. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: January 03, 2013 at 10:55 PM (#4338545)
I haven't really offered any excuses in this regard. I thought it clear to anyone that the Angry Chickens without Lattimore is essentially Minnesota with Adrian Peterson.


But this -is- an excuse, and I don't think it's at all clear that Lattimore was so essential to SC this season. 4.6 ypc and visually less explosive; the first injury turned him from an Adrian Peterson clone to more of a LeVeon Bell-type.
   2853. Cowboy Popup Posted: January 03, 2013 at 10:58 PM (#4338548)
####. Oregon got a burst from that missed field goal. I would hate to see them score here.
   2854. hokieneer Posted: January 03, 2013 at 10:59 PM (#4338550)
Wow. What a turnaround in 50 ticks.
   2855. Cowboy Popup Posted: January 03, 2013 at 11:00 PM (#4338551)
Well that sucked.
   2856. Adam M Posted: January 03, 2013 at 11:07 PM (#4338556)
Awesome. I can't believe this team lost to Stanford.
   2857. Howling John Shade Posted: January 03, 2013 at 11:08 PM (#4338557)
NO. Here's a conversational tip - don't say I said things that I don't say.

It *hurts them less*. Don't be so dense.


Things you said in response to robinson being injured: "when Michigan doesn't pass, that's good for them because they have a ruynning offense." I'll make a note that when you say "good for them" you actually mean sort of bad for them.

If your point is just that Lattimore's injury > Robinson's injury + Touissant's injury + Floyd's suspension then fair enough I suppose. I think you're probably wrong, but I haven't watched either team enough to fight about it.
   2858. Spivey Posted: January 03, 2013 at 11:14 PM (#4338559)
KSU needs to be able to finish their drives. The key is they're really struggling running the ball.
   2859. Spivey Posted: January 03, 2013 at 11:16 PM (#4338561)
Teams don't get passes for suspended players in my book. Even if we know the SEC would never suspend a Dial for taking an egregiously unnecessary hit on Aaron Murray.
   2860. Every Inge Counts Posted: January 03, 2013 at 11:22 PM (#4338564)
Teams don't get passes for suspended players in my book. Even if we know the SEC would never suspend a Dial for taking an egregiously unnecessary hit on Aaron Murray.


Since they did not suspend the Georgia player who tried to eye-gouge Dee Milliner....
   2861. Spivey Posted: January 03, 2013 at 11:29 PM (#4338566)
Oregon has 8 guys running downhill every play. They're forcing KSU to beat them in the air.
   2862. Cowboy Popup Posted: January 03, 2013 at 11:32 PM (#4338567)
Really lousy sequence for coming out of half time.
   2863. Spivey Posted: January 03, 2013 at 11:34 PM (#4338570)
KSU had a great season, but I never thought they were a great team. They're a good team that had a great year because they had like a +20 turnover margin. Actually remarkably similar to Florida - though Florida has a better defense and a worse QB.
   2864. Spivey Posted: January 03, 2013 at 11:34 PM (#4338571)
That's a really nice, clean hit.
   2865. Cowboy Popup Posted: January 03, 2013 at 11:35 PM (#4338573)
That was a big time hit. Nicely done.
   2866. Spivey Posted: January 03, 2013 at 11:35 PM (#4338574)
Huge scramble.
   2867. Cowboy Popup Posted: January 03, 2013 at 11:37 PM (#4338575)
Oregon is rolling. I don't see K-St. coming back from a 3 possession deficit.
   2868. Spivey Posted: January 03, 2013 at 11:38 PM (#4338578)
Huge defensive stand there. They need to convert a couple of these sacks going forward though, methinks.
   2869. Howling John Shade Posted: January 03, 2013 at 11:38 PM (#4338579)
Big stop for K-state.
   2870. Spivey Posted: January 03, 2013 at 11:42 PM (#4338581)
Neither team has impressive kickoff coverage.
   2871. Spivey Posted: January 03, 2013 at 11:44 PM (#4338584)
Kansas State's offensive line is playing like rubbish.
   2872. Cowboy Popup Posted: January 03, 2013 at 11:45 PM (#4338586)
Klein looks very uncomfortable now. Oregon's D playing a great game.

Lame penalty.
   2873. hokieneer Posted: January 03, 2013 at 11:46 PM (#4338588)
I know ksu isnt able to run the ball well, but they can't think they can win this game throwing 25 times the second half.
   2874. Spivey Posted: January 03, 2013 at 11:48 PM (#4338590)
KSU is on the ropes right now. I don't think they're getting off it.
   2875. Cowboy Popup Posted: January 03, 2013 at 11:52 PM (#4338593)
I'm thinking that's game. I'll check back later but I can't imagine the Wildcats getting back in this.
   2876. Spivey Posted: January 03, 2013 at 11:55 PM (#4338595)
That was a forward lateral in the end zone. I don't know if that affects this crazy rule.
   2877. Tripon Posted: January 03, 2013 at 11:56 PM (#4338596)
A one point safety? Is that even legal?
   2878. Spivey Posted: January 03, 2013 at 11:58 PM (#4338600)
KSU is in official score a TD every drive territory now. Or they need a defensive/special teams touchdown.
   2879. Spivey Posted: January 03, 2013 at 11:59 PM (#4338603)
I haven't seen them really get the ball to Harper at all this half. He was their best player in the first half.
   2880. Howling John Shade Posted: January 04, 2013 at 12:00 AM (#4338606)
That was a forward lateral in the end zone. I don't know if that affects this crazy rule.


That should make it a 1.5 point safety.
   2881. Spivey Posted: January 04, 2013 at 12:02 AM (#4338608)
KSU is going to lose by 35+
   2882. DA Baracus Posted: January 04, 2013 at 12:06 AM (#4338609)
I love that the ref was like "okay, you're not going to believe this..."
   2883. Foghorn Leghorn Posted: January 04, 2013 at 12:17 AM (#4338619)
Teams don't get passes for suspended players in my book.
Absolutely. Hell, LSU dumped Honeybadger.
   2884. Spivey Posted: January 04, 2013 at 12:26 AM (#4338626)
Big stop for Kansas State. Game's not over yet...
   2885. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: January 04, 2013 at 12:28 AM (#4338629)
Game theory time. Down 15...do you go for two on the first td or wait until you get the second?
   2886. bunyon Posted: January 04, 2013 at 12:32 AM (#4338634)
WJ, I would have gone for two when I was down 16 and had a choice. Make it and you're two regular TDs away. Miss it and you know you need two two pointers.

Basically, they were in a position where they were going to have to get one two pointer. They could either get it in three tries or in two.

   2887. Cowboy Popup Posted: January 04, 2013 at 12:45 AM (#4338643)
Well, I expected it to be more over by now, but it looks like it is pretty over. I guess I will watch the kick and then turn it off.
   2888. SoSH U at work Posted: January 04, 2013 at 02:58 AM (#4338706)
Game theory time. Down 15...do you go for two on the first td or wait until you get the second?


I've always believed in going for the two on the first try because I like information. If you don't get it, you know that two more scores are required.



   2889. Mike Webber Posted: January 04, 2013 at 03:06 AM (#4338710)
Sitting in a Mexican restaurant in Scottsdale listening to a mumford and sons wanna be. A little sad we screwed. The game up on the opening kick. Interesting to read the comments. Now back to drinking at Christopher's pace which to be honest I can only do for about an hour.
   2890. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: January 04, 2013 at 03:13 AM (#4338714)
KSU had a hard time maintaining proper pitch relationship and was really out of sync on some of their basic zone read plays. Very uncharacteristic to see. The killer was definitely the missed FG/missed scoring period opportunity which turned into a UO TD before half.
   2891. Foghorn Leghorn Posted: January 04, 2013 at 02:01 PM (#4339027)
I guess the Big 12 sucks now...<eyeroll>
   2892. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: January 04, 2013 at 02:17 PM (#4339040)
Sitting in a Mexican restaurant in Scottsdale listening to a mumford and sons wanna be. A little sad we screwed.


The end result of many just-friends hooking up, I'm afraid.
   2893. cmd600 Posted: January 04, 2013 at 03:05 PM (#4339096)
#### you.


We'll aren't you just pleasant company.

That's not an excuse as to why they didn't dominate and it wasn't offered as such


Well what was it then? It was the first thing you brought up about the game, and completely ignored the injury issues on the other side of the field. It was being a partisan homer, whether you want to call it an excuse or not.

Michigan losing Denard was a big problem as well.


Well it's nice that you eventually got around to noticing that at least.

You really are just whining about losing all the time.


This is odd, as I haven't expressed an allegiance in particular. You literally have no idea how my favorite team has done. Of course, that's never going to stop you from assuming everyone outside the SEC couldn't be anything but jealous.
   2894. The Yankee Clapper Posted: January 04, 2013 at 03:20 PM (#4339112)
Game theory time. Down 15...do you go for two on the first td or wait until you get the second?

FWIW, conventional coaching wisdom is that you don't go for two before you have to.
   2895. Foghorn Leghorn Posted: January 04, 2013 at 03:55 PM (#4339153)
This is odd, as I haven't expressed an allegiance in particular. You literally have no idea how my favorite team has done. Of course, that's never going to stop you from assuming everyone outside the SEC couldn't be anything but jealous.
If it isn't in the SEC, and based on your talking about the SEC "them", it isn't, therefore your team doesn't have any hardware recently.

It's not that complex.

As for UM, my wife went there and I have watched nearly every one of their games (for about 20 years). Its not complex analysis to say that when a team has poor passing, something that discourages their pass game doesn't really hurt them much.
   2896. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: January 04, 2013 at 04:33 PM (#4339204)
As for UM, my wife went there and I have watched nearly every one of their games (for about 20 years). Its not complex analysis to say that when a team has poor passing, something that discourages their pass game doesn't really hurt them much.


The sophistication of this pithy distillation of game theory is knee-buckling. Sir, you are a play-calling genius.
   2897. Foghorn Leghorn Posted: January 04, 2013 at 05:24 PM (#4339258)
The sophistication of this pithy distillation of game theory is knee-buckling. Sir, you are a play-calling genius
Thank you. The game theory angle is specifically why it does actually hurt them, but hurts them less.

Reducing the effectiveness of a minor component of an arsenal is less damaging that reducing the effectiveness of a major component of an arsenal.

I thought it was pretty straightforward, and I am glad I could help explain it so you and others could understand.
   2898. Chicago Joe Posted: January 04, 2013 at 05:30 PM (#4339263)
The end result of many just-friends hooking up, I'm afraid.


Well, when you take on the entire band, you deserve how you feel.
   2899. cmd600 Posted: January 04, 2013 at 05:57 PM (#4339278)
If it isn't in the SEC, and based on your talking about the SEC "them"


Quote marks usually signify that you are lifting something someone else said. I may be overlooking it, but I don't think I've said "them" at all, much less in regards to the SEC. This is just you projecting whatever nonsense is going on in your head. The only reason I can think of for you to get so upset at someone poking at the over-the-top SEC braggadocio is that you don't like just how well-deserved that poking is.

And in regards to my team's hardware, I am happy enough with what they have and what position they are in that I don't have to project my conference's success as the overarching goal.
   2900. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: January 04, 2013 at 05:59 PM (#4339282)
Reducing the effectiveness of a minor component of an arsenal is less damaging that reducing the effectiveness of a major component of an arsenal.


Again, your game theory analysis is spot on. I quiver at the thought of encountering you at the tables some day, master of strategy!

Edit to add:

Michigan - 97th in the nation in passing ypg
South Carolina - 91st in the nation in rushing ypg
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