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OH BOY.
I find this pretty rich. Alabama was rolling teams all season (and longer really), and now suddenly we're going to act like they were a flawed team ripe for the taking?
and yes it happening after the LSU game doesn't help. Much like the South Carolina loss in 2010 (that was after a tough stretch), it happens.
you know, i'm beginning to think that might not be quite so accurate.
And I missed an Alabama loss! Damn my need for American currency.
CU loses 50-0 to all sorts of teams. Wash St lost to CU. No wonder they've been beating those kids.
Not going to happen. You see how close Kansas played Texas Tech today? WVU is probably the worst team in the league at this point in the season and they are going to be hard pressed beat anyone else for the rest of the season.
This season has been amazing. I hope it continues.
And damn is Johnny Football good, they really took it to bama the entire first quarter.
Yes. It's pretty obvious they're not that good.
Notre Dame was #11 in the AP in week 4, while KSU was #15, though they were 15 and 13 in coaches poll.
Then KSU beat OU, and leap frogged them into the top 10.
Now if the question was "If Notre Dame had beaten OU before KSU would they be behind them now?" that might be interesting.
Perhaps, but as Voxter notes, Notre Dame is right where they belong, as it's obvious they deserve to be ranked below Oregon and K-State (though, if it's any consolation to the Irish, they're quite bit better than the other Division I unbeaten).
I don't remember for sure, but I think it was you. It was back when WVU was undefeated and ranked #5. They were being dismissed out of hand by a lot of people and someone said something about how they could play with any of the top 5 except Alabama. I remember it because I was kind of aghast, and then probably said something mean about it.
To which WJ responded:
I amend my statement, by the way. The question against Oregon would be whether or not WVU or Louisville gave up 70.
That's good to know. I really didn't remember making any grand statements about WVU like that. I seemed to be one cautious person in my group of friends after the Texas win, and was extremely nervous about going to Lubbok. Of course I also thought WVU would beat KSU at home, so what do I know.
This is the is right here. Kansas St got a bigger boost from Oklahoma than ND did. Also, ND could really have used Michigan not scheduling Alabama. Michigan schedules some tasty MAC treat instead and ND beats the #7 team in the nation (who got a preseason #1 overall vote in the AP Poll) the same week that K-St beat Oklahoma.
Texas looked very good beating down Iowa State and I think they can give Kansas State a lot of trouble.
Oregon is likely the best team in the country, but they have Stanford and Oregon State - probably their toughest games of the year - left.
Notre Dame has the easiest path but still has to beat a pretty explosive USC team in a night game on the road.
A 1-loss SEC champion is a slam dunk to be ranked as the highest 1 loss team. I think people will speculate, legitimately, that they should still be in the championship game. But Alabama is still the most likely team to be in that scenario, and I don't think their computer rankings will be high enough. The fact that they dodged all of the good SEC East teams was both a blessing and a curse.
And Georgia dodged the good SEC West ones. I don't see a legitimate case for either of these teams over one of the three unbeatens. If LSU were a one-loss SEC champ, they'd have a far more compelling argument (with Fla. and SC on their docket from the East). Or, to a lesser extent, Florida (LSU and Texas A&M), though Saturday's game makes for a harder sell.
UCLA: USC and Stanford
Oregon: Oregon State and Stanford
USC: UCLA and Notre Dame
Stanford: UCLA and Oregon
Oregon State: Cal and Oregon
There's going to be a lot of exciting west coast games the next two weeks.
My purple bias on full display, but I think Klein is still ahead. It is an uphill battle for a freshman, and let's face it many Heisman voters heard of him for the first time yesterday, or maybe when a friend forwarded them his .Halloween Photos. (scroll up a little)
Not a KSU fan, but I think so too. Manziel leaped into New York invite status, but I wouldn't go further than that.
UCLA beats USC (ha, big fat homer assumption there)
Stanford beats UCLA
Oregon beats Stanford
Oregon beats Oregon State
P12 championship is Oregon vs. UCLA - Oregon wins and goes to BCS semifinal against one of KSU/ND/Alabama or whatever.
Who plays in the Rose Bowl? UCLA or Stanford? Rose Bowl picks? I presume Stanford will be ranked higher.
Oregon is just a different animal, and I don't know how well their uptempo schtick would translate into a full season of the SEC, and that QB kid from KState has some of the Tebow about him (which works pretty well in college), but Notre Dame would be 7-3 at best if they had to run the SEC schedule.
wisconsin is playing their third string qb these days but on a neutral field i still believe wisconsin has a good shot to win the big10 championship game
Don't you mean championship? I thought the BCS playoff system didn't start for another year or two?
If Texas beats TCU they'll have locked up the Cotton Bowl or better. I'd be confident if they played South Carolina or Florida. I'd worry they'd get run off the field if they played A&M. I don't know what would happen if they played Georgia or LSU.
Oh, the Sagarin *predictor rater* says they're better. That's meaningful, I'm sure. Florida, South Carolina or UGA would beat them on most Saturdays. Bama, LSU and A&M would win relatively easily as well. They had to go to three overtimes against Pitt, for Chrissakes.
I'm sure mighty Louisiana Lafayette would dispatch them before the second OT at the latest.
Notre Dame would beat Florida if their QB got hurt and they played like they did Saturday. But that's not the question at hand. The point is not that ND would lose *every Saturday.* It's that they'd lose two or three Saturdays as they ran the gauntlet of the SEC schedule. They might beat SC, but then UGA or FL would hammer them. Or they might get through LSU, but then they'd have to deal with A&M or Bama. Over the course of the season, that's 2-3 losses on them, in their best years.
As Utah and TCU has found out.
I think Boise St. would have been fine if they joined a power conference though.
Yes, you could. In some years, the SEC is head and shoulders above the other conferences. 2012 is not one of those years. I have no idea how the SEC would deal with Oregon's attack, and as I said previously, that "Johnny Football" kid from KState looks like the second coming of His Lord and Worshipfulness Gatorboy. Hell, A&M jumped into the SEC and has competed like mad, with a sort of Oregon-lite offense.
And they've lost 2.
The point isn't that ND isn't good this year. It's that they're not good enough to go undefeated in a power conference, and the idea that they're one of the top five teams in the bowl conference is just silly.
The "Johnny Football" (stupidest nickname ever? did the athletic dept. come up with that, or does it date back to high school, or did it emerge from the famously clueless Aggie student body?) kid from A&M is even better.
Well it depends on the year(s). Kellen Moore's last 3 years, Boise was an extremely good team. One of those years they had a decent argument for being the best team in the country. But this year, they'd probably be in the bottom half of the conference in the Big 12. TCU has struggled this year, but a couple of years ago when they won the Rose Bowl they'd have been fine - again, they had an argument a year or two there where they were in the discussion for best team in the country. Also, a big reason TCU has struggled this year is because their lost their starting quarterback a third of the way into the season.
There's no way in hell No. 5 Georgia's schedule this year is better than Notre Dame's, regardless the SEC imprint on it. The Dawgs sure as hell haven't run any gauntlet.
Duly noted. My bad. The KState kid is Colin Cowherd or Calvin Klein or something, right?
It's a down year for the SEC. But they beat the hell out of Ole Miss and Auburn. ND needed trips OT to get out of friggin' Pitt alive.
They beat Auburn and Ole Miss? Both of them in the same season? Wow.
No objective observer can look at Georgia's schedule and compare it favorably to Notre Dame's. Of course, you don't really need an objective observer, because them fancy computers will tell you the same thing.
I think Notre Dame has played above its head to this point, and is quite fortunate to have the record it has. I'd say the same thing about Florida, however. Georgia's played two good teams, and got waxed by one of them. And they're No. 5 (and 4, ahead of Alabama, in the Coaches Poll, which is just ####### nuts). So yes, I feel comfortable putting Notre Dame in the Top 5.
You got it right eventually.
Of course, some of my UW friends are yelling 'why wasn't Phillips starting earlier this year?' I'm guessing he got a sliver of the reps and he couldn't have been in BB's plans.
re: Indy
anything can happen in that game. Decent chance there are 7 losses between the two teams by the time Nebraska/Mich and UW get to Indy. The league is poor.
No.
Wherein "assine" means "clearly obvious to any sane mammal."
I'm sure the Pitts of the wold get up and give ND their best. And they're still Pitt.
That's good to know. I really didn't remember making any grand statements about WVU like that.
Yeah, we both knew better than to expect this team to be a national title contender. I don't think either of us expected a collapse like this. WVU could (should?) be a two loss team, but the team has managed to wilt into one that is going to be lucky to be bowl eligible.
If you feel like talking about it, how do you portion out the blame? I still have Stewart on the hook for some of this (mainly the lack of depth and the quitting when they are down) but Holgorsen's inability to get them refocused and playing like they did at the beginning of the season is wearing on my confidence in him
ND has a bit of a Bama '92, tOSU '02 look to them, not a lot of style points, at all, but defense definitely capable of keeping game within reach. (No, I'm not saying they are as good as Bama '92, just remind me of a team like that), I am not Corky Simpson, though he got the last laugh in that feaux controversy.
Yeah, since Vandy beat Mizzou and Mizzou beat Tennessee. Vandy lost to Northwestern.
Hey Spivey, would Texas agree to playing Johnny Football in the Cotton Bowl? To me that looks like the matchup, though the SEC blogger on ESPN thinks A&M will go to the Fiesta. I think it would be outstanding! Though the hotel people might hate it.
I'm thinking Fiesta might take a loss Florida or a 2 loss Bama or possibly LSU than A&M - though being the western most of those schools may give A&M a bump. None of those schools have an issue selling tickets do they?
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