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OT: November College Football Thread.

Alabama Is still Ranked #1.  Will they hold steady to repeat? Make it to the title game?  Or does another team claim the Crystal ball in Miami in January.

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   501. Cowboy Popup Posted: November 17, 2012 at 05:11 PM (#4305067)
USC is getting killed. The way this game is going, Kiffin might get fired after it.
   502. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: November 17, 2012 at 05:37 PM (#4305090)
doubt it, I still expect a total of +70. Kiffin will get a pass w/ sanctions.
   503. Cowboy Popup Posted: November 17, 2012 at 05:51 PM (#4305105)
Kiffin will get a pass w/ sanctions.

Yeah, probably. For a minute, it looked like UCLA was going to flip last year's score which might have led to a dramatic reaction. Kiffin will survive.
   504. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: November 17, 2012 at 06:03 PM (#4305124)
How is it targeting a defenseless receiver to hit him while swiping the ball away from him?
   505. Spivey Posted: November 17, 2012 at 06:36 PM (#4305147)
I'm in no way a fan of Notre Dame, but I can't imagine a situation where they lose to Nebraska. I just don't think Taylor Martinez can do whatever it is he's supposed to do against a top defense.
   506. Every Inge Counts Posted: November 17, 2012 at 06:57 PM (#4305165)
Maryland to the Big Ten?
   507. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: November 17, 2012 at 07:41 PM (#4305183)
I'm in no way a fan of Notre Dame, but I can't imagine a situation where they lose to Nebraska. I just don't think Taylor Martinez can do whatever it is he's supposed to do against a top defense.


I consider both Michigan and Michigan State to be top defenses. Penn State isn't bad either. Moreover, Nebraska's D has quietly improved to be one of the better units in the nation. I do not fear Notre Dame.
   508. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: November 17, 2012 at 07:50 PM (#4305185)
I think college overtime is an objectively silly system, but I'll be damned if I don't find it incredibly entertaining and dramatic.
   509. cmd600 Posted: November 17, 2012 at 08:06 PM (#4305189)
I consider both Michigan and Michigan State to be top defenses. Penn State isn't bad either. Moreover, Nebraska's D has quietly improved to be one of the better units in the nation. I do not fear Notre Dame.


Didn't see the MSU-Nebraska game, but the only reason Nebraska had any offense at all against Michigan was that Robinson went out. The Michigan backup pumped out 3 and outs left and right, and gave Nebraska plenty of chances against an eventually worn out defense.
   510. zenbitz Posted: November 17, 2012 at 09:09 PM (#4305202)
@504 near as I can tell they called 'targeting' on that USC safety because he smacked the receiver in the head with his ARM.
   511. Spivey Posted: November 17, 2012 at 09:33 PM (#4305211)
I consider both Michigan and Michigan State to be top defenses. Penn State isn't bad either. Moreover, Nebraska's D has quietly improved to be one of the better units in the nation. I do not fear Notre Dame.


Well, this is a comment that only a Big 10 homer could make. There are, without exaggeration, 4+ teams from the Pac 12, Big 12, and SEC that would be favored to win the Big 10. I think this is probably true even if Ohio State were eligible. The Big 10 is garbage at offense. That doesn't make the defenses good. It makes the conference garbage.
   512. Spivey Posted: November 17, 2012 at 09:35 PM (#4305213)
The KSU and Oregon games are both really exciting so far.
   513. Spivey Posted: November 17, 2012 at 09:41 PM (#4305216)
Seastrunk just made one of the worst plays I've ever seen.
   514. AuntBea Posted: November 17, 2012 at 09:52 PM (#4305225)
The 24 point spread on the Stanford Oregon game seemed outrageous to me.
   515. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: November 17, 2012 at 09:52 PM (#4305226)
I'm about to barf at this Ducks game. Is this the first time they've been behind all year?
   516. AuntBea Posted: November 17, 2012 at 09:55 PM (#4305229)
Fresno State led 3-0 in week 2
   517. AuntBea Posted: November 17, 2012 at 09:56 PM (#4305230)
Tennessee Tech led 7-0
   518. AuntBea Posted: November 17, 2012 at 09:58 PM (#4305232)
Arizona State led them 7-0
   519. AuntBea Posted: November 17, 2012 at 10:03 PM (#4305238)
On the other hand, the longest they've gone before scoring at the start of the game was 9+ minutes against Arizona. We're over 20 minutes now.
   520. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: November 17, 2012 at 10:07 PM (#4305242)
I find this kind of interesting. Back in 2010, three of the top four high school running backs in the country were Marcus Lattimore, Michael Dyer and Lache Seastrunk. Lattimore has had two devastating leg injuries, Dyer transferred from Auburn to Arkansas State (after helping AU win a title) and Seastrunk left Oregon for Baylor after being bedeviled by questions in Eugene.
   521. AuntBea Posted: November 17, 2012 at 10:14 PM (#4305250)
If both Oregon and KState lose today, and USC beats Notre Dame next week, who gets the championship game? Florida?And if they lose to Florida State,does Florida State get it over all the other 1oss teams?
   522. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: November 17, 2012 at 10:15 PM (#4305251)
In other SEC news, Vanderbilt is beating Tennessee, 13-10, in the third quarter of what might well be Derek Dooley's last game with the Vols. And Missouri is beating Syracuse, 17-10, in the Journalism Bowl. A win gets Mizzou to a bowl.
   523. Spivey Posted: November 17, 2012 at 10:17 PM (#4305253)
Wow, the games tonight are ####### insane.
   524. Spivey Posted: November 17, 2012 at 10:23 PM (#4305259)
Baylor is on the verge of blowing KSU out. Wow. Baylor's defense is so bad this game won't be over unless Baylor is up 4 scores in the 4th quarter. But Jesus, Baylor's offense looks good. Makes me feel better Texas gave up 50 to Baylor. Well, at least a little.
   525. Spivey Posted: November 17, 2012 at 10:25 PM (#4305261)
This is starting to remind me of what Ok St did against Iowa State last year.
   526. Every Inge Counts Posted: November 17, 2012 at 10:27 PM (#4305264)
This is awesome.
   527. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: November 17, 2012 at 10:41 PM (#4305277)
Vanderbilt has pushed its lead to 27-10.
   528. Howie Menckel Posted: November 17, 2012 at 10:46 PM (#4305285)

Maryland may be able to pull Rutgers into the Big Ten along with them.

But Rutgers fans would [not] revolt against missing out on playing such traditional Big East rivals as Boise St, San Diego St, Central Florida, Memphis, Houston, etc.

Never mind that Rutgers won't have any longstanding Big East football rivals left next year (Syracuse, Pitt, etc). Where is the love for tradition?

   529. cmd600 Posted: November 17, 2012 at 10:47 PM (#4305288)
Well, this is a comment that only a Big 10 homer could make. There are, without exaggeration, 4+ teams from the Pac 12, Big 12, and SEC that would be favored to win the Big 10. I think this is probably true even if Ohio State were eligible. The Big 10 is garbage at offense. That doesn't make the defenses good. It makes the conference garbage.


There certainly may be quite a few teams that would be expected to beat the non-Ohio St members of the Big Ten, FEI has Michigan St at #3 defensively, with Michigan and Penn St at #19 and 23. These are good defenses.
   530. hokieneer Posted: November 17, 2012 at 10:51 PM (#4305290)
Another inhuman run from tavon austin. Almost up to 400 all purpose yards through 3 quarters.
   531. Spivey Posted: November 17, 2012 at 11:00 PM (#4305302)
Tavon Austin has been the best player in college I've seen this year. I guess Manziel is right up there too. Klein, meh. I respect what he's done. But Tavon Austin is a special, special player.
   532. hokieneer Posted: November 17, 2012 at 11:02 PM (#4305305)
Austin just did it again. Tavon makes me glad I have a dvr.
   533. Spivey Posted: November 17, 2012 at 11:18 PM (#4305311)
The #### kind of pass was that Florence?
   534. hokieneer Posted: November 17, 2012 at 11:22 PM (#4305313)
2Pt game in morgantown beacause of a missed pat and failed 2pt conversion.
   535. Spivey Posted: November 17, 2012 at 11:29 PM (#4305314)
Terrance Williams is a hell of a player.
   536. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: November 17, 2012 at 11:31 PM (#4305315)
Vanderbilt's going to beat Tennessee by three touchdowns.
   537. Spivey Posted: November 17, 2012 at 11:33 PM (#4305316)
Debatable non-PI on big 3rd downs in both games for Stanford and Kansas State.

Edit: fixed comment.
   538. hokieneer Posted: November 17, 2012 at 11:35 PM (#4305317)
Wvu up 43-38 on another huge run from Austin.
   539. Spivey Posted: November 17, 2012 at 11:37 PM (#4305318)
Nights like tonight make me happy I enjoy alcohol and college football.
   540. Yardape Posted: November 17, 2012 at 11:40 PM (#4305319)
Usually, football announcers call end-arounds "reverses". K-State just tried an actual reverse, which the announcer called a double-end-around. It was also a terrible play that led to K-State punting and now another Baylor touchdown.
   541. President of the David Eckstein Fan Club Posted: November 17, 2012 at 11:40 PM (#4305320)
Baylor up 3 TDs on Kstate, wow.

Stanford hanging around but two TOs in the 3rd (especially that Taylor fumble) really hurt
   542. Spivey Posted: November 17, 2012 at 11:49 PM (#4305322)
KSU is officially on the highway to the danger zone.
   543. Spivey Posted: November 17, 2012 at 11:52 PM (#4305325)
Colin Klein reminds me of the weak armed girl he is and not the guy who happens to run for 100 yards and 2 TDs inexplicably every game. I don't understand how it took 1-5 Baylor to clown this team.

LACHE!
   544. Spivey Posted: November 17, 2012 at 11:53 PM (#4305326)
Kansas State is really good at being better than they are supposed to be and being not as good as they're supposed to be.
   545. hokieneer Posted: November 17, 2012 at 11:53 PM (#4305328)
Tavon Austin is 24 yards from the all time ncaa div1 all purpose yard record.
   546. Every Inge Counts Posted: November 17, 2012 at 11:55 PM (#4305330)
Ok Stanford stop screwing up.
   547. Spivey Posted: November 17, 2012 at 11:56 PM (#4305331)
WVU has 750 yards from scrimmage. Which is shenanigans.
   548. Tuque Posted: November 17, 2012 at 11:57 PM (#4305332)
This Oregon game is substantially lowering my quality of life.
   549. Spivey Posted: November 18, 2012 at 12:00 AM (#4305333)
Belldozer just got Belldozed.
   550. Spivey Posted: November 18, 2012 at 12:02 AM (#4305334)
West Virginia's defense is so, so bad. I'm glad I don't root for that team.
   551. hokieneer Posted: November 18, 2012 at 12:07 AM (#4305335)
...
   552. Spivey Posted: November 18, 2012 at 12:11 AM (#4305337)
I don't think that was a catch by the Stanford player.
   553. President of the David Eckstein Fan Club Posted: November 18, 2012 at 12:12 AM (#4305338)
Tie game.
   554. hokieneer Posted: November 18, 2012 at 12:12 AM (#4305339)
I'm gutted. Just finished.
   555. AuntBea Posted: November 18, 2012 at 12:13 AM (#4305341)
That was an incredibly exciting oklahoma /west virginia game. Too bad.
   556. Yardape Posted: November 18, 2012 at 12:16 AM (#4305342)
I don't think that was a catch by the Stanford player.


I don't either. And the colour guy had no idea what the ref was calling or what the issue was.
   557. Spivey Posted: November 18, 2012 at 12:18 AM (#4305343)
I also don't think that's pass interference.
   558. President of the David Eckstein Fan Club Posted: November 18, 2012 at 12:18 AM (#4305344)
Really really soft PI call there on Stanford
   559. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: November 18, 2012 at 12:19 AM (#4305345)
It's not an exceptional amount of contact, but the corner did prevent the receiver from bringing his other hand into the play. That seems pretty important.
   560. Spivey Posted: November 18, 2012 at 12:20 AM (#4305346)
There's no shame in losing to Baylor. There's a lot of shame in getting run out of the ####### stadium.
   561. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: November 18, 2012 at 12:22 AM (#4305347)
With K-State's loss, does Manziel become the Heisman favorite?
   562. Spivey Posted: November 18, 2012 at 12:29 AM (#4305348)
Oregon's going to put ####### Alabama in the title game again, aren't they?
   563. President of the David Eckstein Fan Club Posted: November 18, 2012 at 12:30 AM (#4305349)
Terrible possession in OT for oregon
...and missed the FG. Good lord.
   564. Spivey Posted: November 18, 2012 at 12:30 AM (#4305350)
That was a ####### garbage "drive". How about you give the ball to Barner or Thomas up the ####### middle. You know, since that's your best ####### play.
   565. Spivey Posted: November 18, 2012 at 12:31 AM (#4305351)
POST MASTER GENERAL
   566. Spivey Posted: November 18, 2012 at 12:33 AM (#4305353)
FUMBLE!!!!
   567. President of the David Eckstein Fan Club Posted: November 18, 2012 at 12:33 AM (#4305354)
Protect the football! Gave me a ####### heart attack
   568. President of the David Eckstein Fan Club Posted: November 18, 2012 at 12:36 AM (#4305355)
I usually love upsets but an Alabama-Notre Dame title game doesn't appeal to me
   569. Answer Guy Posted: November 18, 2012 at 12:37 AM (#4305356)
Great....another all-SEC final coming up.
   570. Answer Guy Posted: November 18, 2012 at 12:37 AM (#4305357)
Yes, that was sarcasm.
   571. Spivey Posted: November 18, 2012 at 12:38 AM (#4305358)
Well, Oregon pissed this away in epic fashion. And I still don't believe that tying touchdown was a catch.
   572. Every Inge Counts Posted: November 18, 2012 at 12:40 AM (#4305360)
Alabama take care of business now!!!
   573. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: November 18, 2012 at 12:43 AM (#4305361)
Let's say (for the sake of argument) that ND somehow loses to USC. Now we're back to 8 one-loss teams. (Which will drop to 7 once Alabama handles Ga). What then?
   574. Spivey Posted: November 18, 2012 at 12:44 AM (#4305362)
I'm sure that Georgia will be ranked #3 in the country next week, despite playing only 2 teams that are worth a ####. And they lost one of those games 35-7. ####### SEC...
   575. Every Inge Counts Posted: November 18, 2012 at 12:46 AM (#4305363)
So next weekend if Stanford beats UCLA....they get to play them the next weekend in the PAC-12 title game.
   576. Howie Menckel Posted: November 18, 2012 at 12:47 AM (#4305364)

Thank goodness we don't have something like an 8-team playoff. Who needs THAT?

   577. AuntBea Posted: November 18, 2012 at 12:49 AM (#4305365)
It's true that Oregon is an incredibly exciting team. But how good are they really? Stanford played them as equals today, on their field. The loss was no fluke. They also don't have wins over any team in the top 20. Every Pac-12 team they beat has at least 4 losses. Their non Pac-12 opponents were not heavy hitters.
   578. Spivey Posted: November 18, 2012 at 12:51 AM (#4305367)
Let's say (for the sake of argument) that ND somehow loses to USC. Now we're back to 8 one-loss teams. (Which will drop to 7 once Alabama handles Ga). What then?


Well it's very possible. And very tricky. Oregon is very likely to not play for the Pac 12 championship. Stanford will have to lose to UCLA for Oregon to be in the title game. That's possible, but it's probably a toss up. Kansas State lost bad today, and that probably ruins them in the human polls. They also could lose to Texas in a couple of weeks, but if they managed to roll a 9-2 Texas team perhaps that would help.

If Florida got to play in the championship game, after how ####### dogshit they've played the last few weeks, because of everyone losing around them - and leading to a second straight year of SEC/SEC for the title game, I'd be annoyed to the point of potentially giving up the sport.

The trouble is that the SEC 1 loss teams (besides Alabama) are not that good, but with the way voters treat teams that lose late in the season they're the most likely to capitalize.
   579. AuntBea Posted: November 18, 2012 at 12:52 AM (#4305368)
My guess is the winner of the Florida/Florida State game would play the winner of the Alabama/Georgia game. That is what the voters would like. However,the computers might put a one loss K-State, Oregon, Notre Dame,or a 2-loss SEC team above a 1 loss Florida State. That would certainly be interesting.
   580. AuntBea Posted: November 18, 2012 at 12:54 AM (#4305373)
If everyone finishes with 1 loss, the computers will almost certainly rank Florida #1.I think they get the title game even with no SEC championship. You better root for Florida State and Notre Dame if you don't like that.
   581. Spivey Posted: November 18, 2012 at 12:54 AM (#4305374)
It's true that Oregon is an incredibly exciting team. But how good are they really? Stanford played them as equals today, on their field. The loss was no fluke. They also don't have wins over any team in the top 20. Every Pac-12 team they beat has at least 4 losses. Their non Pac-12 opponents were not heavy hitters.


They're quite good. I think rankings like Sagarin and others that allow for margin of victory show that. They've beaten teams like Arizona State and Arizona very convincingly, which isn't trivial. But they definitely struggled with Stanford's physicality tonight, and makes you wonder how they'd handle some of the other highly ranked teams.
   582. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: November 18, 2012 at 12:56 AM (#4305377)
But they definitely struggled with Stanford's physicality tonight, and makes you wonder how they'd handle some of the other highly ranked teams

Which is odd considering they have totally dismantled Stanford (with Andrew Luck) the past two seasons.
   583. KJOK Posted: November 18, 2012 at 12:59 AM (#4305379)
It's looking like Notre Dame vs. either Alabama or Georgia in the title game, unless of course Georgia can't beat Georgia Tech for some reason.

   584. AuntBea Posted: November 18, 2012 at 01:00 AM (#4305381)
The computers are really hamstrung by not being allowed to consider the margin of victory as a factor. On the other hand, that was by design. I know one reason is that they did not want coaches running up the score just to impress the computers. It's also possible that it was supposed to act as a check against human voters being overly swayed by margin of victory, though I don't know if that was ever stated.
   585. Spivey Posted: November 18, 2012 at 01:02 AM (#4305383)
Which is odd considering they have totally dismantled Stanford (with Andrew Luck) the past two seasons.


Luck and the entire Stanford team played like #### last year. Oregon deserves a lot of credit for that, but Stanford brought a really pathetic effort. Stanford still has a lot of the good players that were around Luck, and their defense seems better and more aggressive this year. Oregon's defense didn't give up many points, but did give up a lot more TOP than they'd like - and the injuries they've got are a big factor there.
   586. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: November 18, 2012 at 01:02 AM (#4305384)
Thank goodness we don't have something like an 8-team playoff. Who needs THAT?


Yeah, it would have been much more exciting if KSU and Oregon were just playing tonight's games for seeding purposes. Oh, and if we're really lucky maybe Bama could rest their starters for the SEC title game.
   587. Spivey Posted: November 18, 2012 at 01:04 AM (#4305385)
The computers are really hamstrung by not being allowed to consider the margin of victory as a factor. On the other hand, that was by design. I know one reason is that they did not want coaches running up the score just to impress the computers. It's also possible that it was supposed to act as a check against human voters being overly swayed by margin of victory, though I don't know if that was ever stated.


I think it was because the computers giving results the human's didn't want or agree with, despite the fact that was the whole ####### point that they were there to begin with. The running up the score is silly because you can easily have these formulas put a cap on maximum margin of victory at 35 or something.
   588. AuntBea Posted: November 18, 2012 at 01:04 AM (#4305386)
If it weren't for the BCS system I would not watch college sports at all. If they expand to 8 teams at some point, there is no way I would watch a regular season game before the last week of the season.
   589. Spivey Posted: November 18, 2012 at 01:07 AM (#4305387)
Thank God Ohio State isn't eligible. Can you imagine if Ohio State and Notre Dame were in the championship game? It would be the most absurd ####### thing ever.
   590. AuntBea Posted: November 18, 2012 at 01:13 AM (#4305388)
Florida State 's gonna be mad come tomorrow evening. The voters will have them at #4, while some of the computer polls might not have them in the top 25. They will probably stay at 10th in the BCS, behind all the SEC teams, Notre Dame, Oregon, and Kansas State
   591. KJOK Posted: November 18, 2012 at 01:16 AM (#4305389)
If everyone finishes with 1 loss, the computers will almost certainly rank Florida #1

Perhaps, but with the human polls in play, I don't see Florida jumping ahead of the Alabama-Georgia SEC Championship winner in the BCS standings since their loss was TO Georgia. And Oregon may still be in there somewhere.


   592. AuntBea Posted: November 18, 2012 at 01:18 AM (#4305390)
Hmm... Florida State might pass some of the 2 loss SEC teams by virtue of rising in the human polls. They won't rise much in the computer polls though.
   593. AuntBea Posted: November 18, 2012 at 01:20 AM (#4305391)
Right. Florida would at best be second in the human polls, and possibly third (After Oregon, K-State?). But because the computers will likely have them #1, they would still almost certainly be in the title game.
   594. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: November 18, 2012 at 01:26 AM (#4305395)
check out the computers and see who FSU is behind, Vandy, Nebraska, Mizzou, ok just kidding about Mizzou.
   595. AuntBea Posted: November 18, 2012 at 01:30 AM (#4305399)
The computers hate the ACC. They weigh the inter-conference games heavily, because they try to weight the conferences. I guess the ACC has not fared well in these games. Clemson and Florida State both winning against the SEC next week might add a lot of value.
   596. AuntBea Posted: November 18, 2012 at 01:33 AM (#4305400)
Wake Forest plays Vanderbilt, and Georgia Tech plays Georgia. These games can impact the strength of conference weightings as well
   597. AuntBea Posted: November 18, 2012 at 01:37 AM (#4305402)
Sagarin has the ACC about equal with the Big East, for example.
   598. AuntBea Posted: November 18, 2012 at 01:39 AM (#4305403)
check out the computers and see who FSU is behind, Vandy, Nebraska, Mizzou, ok just kidding about Mizzou.


Before today's games, Sagarin had Missouri at 25, and Florida State at 34.
and, Massey had Missoouri at 26, and Florida State at 27.

No need to kid!
   599. Mike A Posted: November 18, 2012 at 01:46 AM (#4305407)
FSU got kinda screwed by West Virginia cancelling their game. The Noles then had to play (IIRC) Northwest Eastern Savannah Polytechnic State instead, which really hurt the strength of schedule. Still, the computers hate the ACC so much I guess it might not have mattered.

Still depressing the Noles were 1 point away from controlling their title destiny. No good excuse for losing to NC St, though.
   600. hokieneer Posted: November 18, 2012 at 01:52 AM (#4305410)
I'm not sure playing 2012 wvu is good for a team's sos.
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