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Valid point, though at the time FSU/West Virginia was supposed to be a big game.
FSU apparently called 80 or so teams to replace WVU on the schedule, and the only one they could get was Savannah State. And as bad as WVU is, they're probably better than an 1-10 MEAC team. Probably.
Let the kvetching about the chance of no undefeated teams begin!
Still a little nauseous from last night. That was painful.
No way a Florida squad that barely put away ULL and Mizzou gets to the title game. I can't believe I'll be rooting as hard as I am going to be for FSU.
If your defense can't stop anyone, there's a little more than two minutes left and you only need a FG to win, I'm not sure the deep ball is the best decision. Good lord, you've got to be aware of your limitations.
The Anderson/Hester ratings are not out yet, but it will be very difficult for Florida State to move up much from 16, considering everyone above them won except Oregon and K-State, and they won't pass those 2. Also, UCLA beat USC, so Florida State could possibly drop a rank to UCLA.
Same for the Billingsley, except that Florida State will pass Texas Tech for sure. They will be down near 16 still.
Same for Colley. 14 last week and not easily moving up.
Same for Peter & the Wolf. Around 16 and going nowhere.
Massey ratings: probably around 20 or 21 is my guess.
The real question is how far can Florida State rise with a win over Florida? If they win and Notre Dame loses, Florida State will almost certainly be #2 in the human polls, but likely not high enough in the computer polls to pass a 1 loss Oregon ranked #3 in the country by the human polls, or if Oregon loses again, then a 1 loss Notre Dame or K-State ranked #3in the human polls.
Is there any chance the voters will rank a 2 loss SEC team over K-State with 1 loss?
georgia is number 3 in both, how did that happen?
They beat both Ole Miss AND Auburn.
Georgia's ranking is a joke. They've beaten one good team, and got hammered by the other.
Regardless of who wins the SEC championship game, the "national title game" will be a Florida vs Ohio State type blowout (assuming ND doesn't lose to USC next week.)
Alabama is still in the SEC.
Well, Oregon just lost and that's about the only team that really has a claim. I know you're in the tank for the Irish, meatwad, but they're not the best team in the nation. They're a good team that's played one, maybe two decent teams all year.
I see what you're saying, but you can't not score that late in the game when you have the opportunity. But you are right, I didn't see how they were going to stop them, and even when it looked like they might, I just sorta knew they wouldn't. This is a team that could easily be 7-3 with a non-terrible secondary, instead, they will be lucky to be 7-5. I suppose, at least, I feel more confident that they can beat Iowa St. and Kansas with Austin at TB.
And I'm happy that Austin got the opportunity to shine that brightly, even on a non-entity of a team. I really love Austin.
Well, Oregon just lost and that's about the only team that really has a claim. I know you're in the tank for the Irish, meatwad, but they're not the best team in the nation. They're a good team that's played one, maybe two decent teams all year.
A loss at home to Stanford isn't appreciably different than a loss at home to Texas A&M. And Alabama will have played 3 decent teams and lost to one of them.
That said, I'm fine with Bama getting the MNC bid over Oregon. Benefit of the doubt for the SEC and the reigning champs and a slightly better schedule. I don't think Bama will blow out ND though, they don't have the offense to put up a lot of points on a defense that talented. The X factor will be how much Kelly can coach up the ND offense during the down time before the game.
As long as it's Alabama. No one else in the SEC has anything resembling a claim that they belong in the title game over the other contenders.
Right, Georgia will get rolled.
I get that Alabama is the most talented team in the nation, and is a deserving title game participant. That doesn't mean anyone else in the SEC is too.
You might be right, that healthy, Oregon is better than ND. But there isn't a significant strength of schedule difference and Oregon just lost to a team ND beat (sorta). I don't know much about the history of the sport, but I can't imagine a time where this situation would shake out any differently. I would have much rather seen Oregon play Bama, and that's still on the table, but you can't just eyeball test a team that played and beat 11 BCS caliber teams (3 ranked but one is BC) and no FCS squads out of the game when there are no other unbeatens.
0-3 in what games?
Found them. Rutgers over Arkansas, Syracuse over Missouri, Louisville over Kentucky.
Amusing quirk in the scheduling pitted the best of the Big East against (almost) the worst of the SEC.
Edit: (I meant 8-4 all along)
Excellent. I would like to take you up on that.
I'd put a lot of money on ND losing to USC, Oregon losing to Oregon State, so we're stuck with an all SEC national championship.
That would also require Texas beating K-State and Florida beating FSU. Seems like a long shot. Also, USC probably isn't beating ND. They aren't a good team.
I love the "but this year's bad SEC teams lost to other conferences" argument.
ND would be 7-3 in the SEC.
That really depends on the schedule. If they had Bama's, for example, or Georgia's, they would probably have one loss, maybe two, maybe none.
I don't think that is a certainty. If K-State beats Texas, there could be a push to get them in over Florida. I think the press will start reminding everyone that Florida just had close calls against Mizzou and ULL. Maybe I'm kidding myself, since it would be similar to the Ok. St. vs. Bama conversation last year. This year's Florida team is a lot less impressive than last year's Bama team though.
That may not matter if Florida beats FSU, especially if they do it convincingly, but I'll be surprised if that actually happens.
Oregon v Florida on the other hand could be interesting if they both end up with one loss.
But that makes no sense!
Oregon v Florida on the other hand could be interesting if they both end up with one loss.
The voters have changed the order of things at the very end of the season to get the matchup they want. The did it with LSU in 07.
But I don't want to dwell on this, this season (and this sport in general) has made fools of people trying to predict what will happen even one week into the future.
If anyone ever needs evidence that the SEC is overrated, this is it.
Alabama vs. Notre Dame in the title game would be perfect. It will be the most watched and least watched BCS title game ever.
Tennessee just straight fired Derek Dooley today. Not even giving him a chance to finish the season against Kentucky. The SEC will have new coaches at Arkansas, Tennessee, and Kentucky for sure. Auburn is a maybe with the coaching change. Not sure if there will be any others, don't think Missouri will drop Pinkel.
I don't agree. When WVa. scored that TD with that much time left, it was damn near a given that Oklahoma would come back and score. I'm obviously not saying you take a knee, but you shouldn't be looking deep (particularly in this game). A few first downs before scoring and you win the ballgame. You score right away and you probaly lose it.
Hell once OU returned the kick to around midfield, my friends and I were calling for WVU to just let OU score ASAP to get the ball back. Actually we were calling for an onside before the kickoff. Clearly no one ever does those things, but you might need to do semi crazy #### when you have the worst defense in the history of football.
It was clear that game was going to be won by which team had the ball last.
Also, everyone and their mother knew the last pass from Jones was going to Stills. Just put 2 ####### people on him, man up at the line.
Another also, Tavon Austin probably had the best game ever for a mountaineer last night. School record 344 rushing yards, and shattering the B12 all-purpose yard record by 200 yards. WVU rushed for 458 yards on 47 carries and lost the damn game.
After thinking about it, you're right. I'm just thinking that there is no guarantee that they score. In a game like that you need to have faith in your offense since there is no reason to have any in your defense.
Clearly no one ever does those things, but you might need to do semi crazy #### when you have the worst defense in the history of football.
So sad, any other WV defense from the past 6-7 years with this offense and this team would be BCS bowl bound.
Also, everyone and their mother knew the last pass from Jones was going to Stills. Just put 2 ####### people on him, man up at the line.
Deforrest is in over his head. Hopefully he learns over the offseason since he probably isn't going to get canned.
Notre Dame winning would sure take the fun out of the BCS this year.
I don't think this has happened before. consecutive games, yes, but not two weeks in a row.
UCLA only has to play Stanford twice if they lose the first one (or if Oregon state beats Oregon).
I would love to see:
Oregon-Alabama
Stanford-Georgia
UCLA- Florida
And
oregon State - TAMU
In terms of what? Are they currently the only team not on probation that is undefeated, yes, and that makes them #1. Are they the best team in college football? I am not so sure about that.
Probation isn't the only thing separating Ohio State and Notre Dame. Some skepticism about the Irish is undoubtedly warranted, but the Buckeyes are the most uninspiring 10-0 team from a BCS conference I've ever seen.
a sprained what? That sounds like a car part.
This. Michigan is a mere +4.5 @OSU, and Michigan isn't very good, though a lot better with Gardner at QB (and Robinson at RB). That line says much about the quality of OSU this season.
I think it will be a perfectly fitting capstone to a frustrating B1G10 season to see the Buckeyes finish as the only undefeated div I team this year... Of course, they'd have two if the @!$!@#!@#!! Wildcats - at least, their defense - could remember that there FOUR quarters, not three, to a game.
No offense to Maryland and Rutgers alum, but I feel like the B1G is diluting its brand with these additions.
They want to get a foothold into the east coast media (read: NYC) media markets... what other options are there?
They'd have invited the Bronx Upstairs College of Cosmology if it would allow the cash cow of the Network to find its way onto those cable systems.
Isn't Syracuse a bigger deal in NYC than Rutgers? Plus the sports media world is biased towards their alma mater, so you'd get disproportionate attention. I don't get the sense that anyone in NYC cares about Rutgers. And I lived in DC and I don't recall Maryland being a very big deal on the sports scene.
I predict Clemson and Florida State bolt for the Big 12 soon. The new Big 12 commish seems intent on aggressively poaching to avoid the Big 12 splitting apart, and FSU and Clemson are supposedly very dissatisfied with the basketball-centric nature of the ACC.
They are mostly known for wearing the most ridiculous helmets in all of sports.
Solid academics too.
Clemson / fsu to b12 strikes me as unlikely.
Why is not an obstacle for Maryland?
BTN currently pays ~$7M per school. Overall B10 payouts ~$25M.
Pretty much every school that has moved has paid roughly 50% of the exit fee, so Maryland is probably looking at ~$25M, possibly even lower since it was just raised.
As a B10 fan, this sucks. But I see why the institutions are doing it.
A Kevin Plank donation.
That's the same amount each Big 12 member gets in its TV deal.
http://www.bizjournals.com/baltimore/news/2012/11/13/under-armour-ceo-kevin-plank-selling.html
Sure, but so would a Big 12 deal if they could add Clemson and FSU (although not by as much)
It just doesn't seem like exit fees have been much of an impediment. I bet the ACC gets raided, not just by the Big 12, but possibly the SEC as well.
Oh - they don't care if anyone actually watches Rutgers in NYC... they just want to coax all the metroplex cable companies into paying more for it.
BTW - the payout last year for all teams in the conference was more like 25 million... there's some talk that this year might end up approaching 30 million when it's all said and done.
That's the real beauty of owning the Network, as opposed to a sourced deal with FSN/ESPN/whatever... It's not like there's a set payout -- the league owns, operates, and distributes income from the network, so they keep it all.
Whatever struggles the conference has had - I wouldn't bet against Jim Delaney's ability to make cash hand over fist.
That's the thing, though -- it's not a "deal"...
They own the Network. It's not a contract - every time the Network exceeds revenue projections, and it has virtually since year one - the entire conference shares in the bounty.
It's a cash cow that just keeps getting fatter.
The age of the 4 super conferences is rapidly approaching. The Big 10, SEC, and Pac 12 have locked up 3 of the 4 available slots. Now the Big 12 and ACC are in a precarious position. One of them is going to be deprecated and it probably isn't going to be the one who strikes first.
Yea, but doesn't their ability to convince cable companies to carry the Big Ten network depend in large part on the viewership of Rutgers football? If I was a major cable carrier on the East Coast and the Big Ten came to me and said "carry us and give us money because we have Rutgers football", I'd tell them to go pound sand.
Adding conference members also leads to a renegotiation of the Fox/ESPN contract. That deal still provides the majority of the money, but it is fast approaching parity with the B1G revenue.
http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/14/news-corporation-said-to-be-close-to-acquiring-stake-in-yes-network/
Thus far, whenever the network has ended up in disputes with carriers -- it's always been the carrier that's largely blinked... They won the showdown with DISH, they won a showdown with Comcast, etc... I'm not well-versed in the details of the deals the conference/Network have with other broadcast and cable networks (i.e., games on FSN/ESPN/whatever are licensed by the network) - but if I'm fairly sure that if you balk at carrying the Network, you also get blackouts to other games. At least, my recollection was that when DISH was balking at the pricetag, it wasn't just the game on the Network people were missing -- they were also getting blackouts of conference members on other networks.
I would guess Rutgers viewership will skyrocket during Big Ten conference games, even if that will mostly be alums from other schools.
Edit: Coke to BLB
Have you flipped through the channels on a Saturday afternoon recently? You can find games from just about anywhere in the country. Out on the West Coast a couple weeks ago, I was able to get James Madison @ Maine on a standard cable package. TV is dying to show sports (and especially football) at every chance they get.
Quantity-wise, they don't need anyone as replacements, do they? They're already adding six football members next year. They'll have 15 basketball members. What they need is better quality, and there isn't any better quality available.
I just can't imagine the Carolina teams accepting a disintegrating ACC. But maybe college basketball isn't as important as I think it is.
UConn for Maryland is a positive swap in basketball.
Ding ding ding. You could argue that Michigan is the #1 college football brand in NYC and judging from the number of shirts and hats on display on any walk through the city, you might have an argument.
NYC sends a lot of kids to Michigan and Michigan sends a lot of kids to NYC. This is a wet dream for pizza boy David Brandon.
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