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Woohoo, congrats GA Tech! Being the first 6-8 team is just a few weeks away.
How soon we forget about the glorious 2011 UCLA team.
GA, FL, SC, TN, KY, Vandy, Mizzou
Bama, Auburn, Arkansas, LSU, A&M, Miss St, Ole Miss
The real outlier geographically is Mizzou in the East. You'd do better to put Auburn in the East and drop Mizzou in the west, but you're not breaking up AU-Bama like that.
Wow, I sure did forget. I remembered they were 6-7 after the championship game, but I didn't think to check their bowl. They lost to Illinois, gross.
1) GT is going to be destroyed by FSU in the ACC Championship.
2) It would be really awesome if something freaktastic happened and they won. Everyone would love to have a team that was destroyed by Middle Tennessee State, at home, go to a BCS game, right?
Don't knock Middle Tennessee State. That's Mississippi State's best win.
That would be glorious. Tech's triple option, a week after what is sure to be a tough, physical game against arch rival Florida could give FSU some trouble. It wouldn't be the most far fetched upset of the season, that's for sure.
AKA, the interim coach bowl.
With no extra prep time for the option, I can easily seeing Tech scoring enough to win against FSU. What I can't imagine is GT's defense managing to get FSU off the field. At all. Ever.
Me neither, but FSU's offense maybe be able to keep themselves off the field, ala NC state if they feel the pressure and/or are tired from the week before. Definitely something worth hoping on anyway.
Sagarin says Campbell played the 238th toughest schedule. #239 is Dayton, and everyone below that was a team that played Campbell.
After they beat Georgia for extra holy #### schadenfreude.
And let's give Tech's new found defense some credit. They did hold future B1G team Maryland to 13 points.
And it is *hard* to slow down a turtle.
While we're giving our partial credit, WVU managed to hold Maryland to only 21. The only 1-A team to score less than 34 on WVU's "defense".
Nice little infomercial for both teams, but especially Michigan. I can't tell you how good Brady Hoke has been for Michigan. He's been amazing.
I did. This topic is long overdue for some serious analysis. This was an inch deep story that unearthed absolutely nothing of substance. Not saying it was meant to be an expose, but was aired for a crowd that is probably a cliff notes college football fan that knows little beyond, ND, Michigan, Bama, etc.
It was a total puff piece, but they made two key points that are related and yet distinct:
1) BCS football pays for all other sports programs at most schools.
2) Despite that football cash, most schools' ADs lose money.
The system cannot stand. Either more money comes into CFB or the "arms race" for coaches, facilities, etc comes to an end. Nobody wants to cut men's lacrosse or women's swimming. It's a lot easier in the court of public opinion to make the argument that it's the bloated excess of the football program, not the cost of the minor sports programs, that should be cut.
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Michigan is unique in that its AD actually turns a profit. Michigan makes 10 million+ from every home game, (which puts the 10 million guarantee they received from the 'Bama neautral site game in proper perspective -- despite what Dave Brandon argues, they could have made more doing a home and home and given fans of both teams a proper series) but that's not a luxury even most power conference teams can boast. Even in the B1G you see Spartan Stadium or Ross-Ade in Purdue half full.
I don't know what the answer is, but CFB and CBB are like the US in the years leading up to the civil war. Everyone knows the house cannot stand, but nobody wants to fire the first shot. Paying players is at least no longer a taboo topic, that's a good first start.
As Lester Freaman noted, "you start to follow the money, and you don't know what you're gonna find". That's why the NCAA is loathe to investigage. Ask Auburn, O$U, Oregon, USC etc what the price is for knowingly transferring some of the millions they make off of football in ways the NCAA deems illegal -- not much. SLap on the wrist. Couple schollies lost, maybe a bowl man, maybe just a stern warning.
We'll see what happens.
To be fair, Stephon Diggs still made the secondary look like they played with clown shoes on. He's just the only receiver they have and he's hurt now.
Isn't that because there is no incentive to make a profit? I thought the attitude was "use it or lose it."
I disagree. The "true" value of athletic programs are marketing and keeping alumni involved.
Marketing goes beyond prospective students... large state schools are partially dependent on tax dollars and that money is directly related to schools' ability to maintain a local relationship with taxpayers, the vast majority of whom do not attend the schools.
Big time sports also bring alums back to campus and are a vital part of maintaining relationships with donors. I think most schools are quite happy to operate a manageable deficit because of the real financial value of these intangibles.
Not sure how your math works. A home and home gives you the revenue of one home game and no revenue of an away game. It would have been better to just schedule two cupcakes at home with no away games. Hell, I still can't believe Michigan agreed to do a home and home with UConn.
Totally agree - I'm an alum of two vastly different programs (Rutgers and Michigan). Michigan has a pull where alumni will go back every couple of years take their family, walk around campus, watch a game and maybe make a donation. For a lot of alumni Rutgers has no pull. I know plenty of people who would never set another foot on campus (even if they lived in NJ) because they see no reason to. Over the past 5-10 years or so, more and more have been going to games and there has been interest. Hell up until this past year, the only reason I would go is to get a fat sandwich. I don't think current interest level is enough to justify putting BTN on a basic tier, but in a couple years it might.
Might as well add both of them and pull in another as well.
1) USC beats ND.
2) UGA beats GT and Bama.
3) UF beats FSU
4) Oregon wins out
Do you play a national championship of UGA vs Oregon, or do you rematch UGA/UF?
I think that depends on whether UCLA beats Stanford or not. If Oregon wins out with a PAC-12 championship, they probably go. If they win out and don't get the extra win against a ranked team, probably not.
I think the writers will do all they can to avoid an all SEC matchup.
Anyone who watched the UGA-UF game would never vote to have that slopfest replayed.
I think the writers will do all they can to avoid an all SEC matchup.
The writers poll is not part of the BCS formula. It's the coaches poll, the Harris poll and select number of computer polls.
They would need to tell Miami that they aren't hosting the game, it's going to JAX.
Unfortunately, there's a good chance very few coaches or Harris Poll voters actually watched that game.
As opposed to what other game? It was a sloppy, defensive game. It's hard to imagine a national championship game like that.
Well, plenty of coaches were busy with their own games and likely didn't watch any games during the 3:30 time slot that day. Some Harris Poll voters seem to not watch many games at all.
Other games going on at the time were Texas Tech-K St and Ohio St.-Penn St. I'm sure those attracted plenty of eyeballs. I watched most of the Georgia-Florida game once the K-St game got out of hand, and plenty of it early on too. It was poorly played.
It was a sloppy, defensive game.
There is sloppy, and then there is 9 turnovers and 24 penalties for 227 yards in a single game. Only the fans of those teams would want to see that again. I mean, I'm sure you want it to be replayed, Georgia sure looks like they would win a second time.
That was not a defensive game, it was just plain sloppy.
Another SEC rematch would be awful. Last year Alabama was clearly the best team all year. Florida isn't.
it was very physical, but agree with rest.
I wouldn't mind seeing OR in the national championship if they win out (inclusive of the PAC-12.) After Alabama's team and Oregon's offense, I just don't see a lot of separation between teams otherwise. If UGA played Notre Dame 10 times this year, you'd probably have two 5-5 teams. UF isn't notably better or worse than either of those teams. The thought experiment is what happens if Alabama loses the SEC, in my mind. (I know they will send ND to the championship game if they win at USC, because people overrate ND all the damned time, and it seems even moreso this year, since they don't have PSU to senselessly goggle over anymore.)
There's that, and the little detail about them being the only unbeaten non-probationary team, who also happened to play the toughest schedule among any of the contenders. On second thought, it's probably just the overrating that will get them there.
This would just be funny by itself. In light of the fact that the wholly unimpressive Georgia squad could meet them in the title game just makes your SEC provincialism sad.
Oh yes, those brutal games against Pitt and Wake Forest really stand out as tests of character and steel, man. And my god, they played Michigan! And those guys were totally relevant two decades ago!
How long has it been since the best team from another conference beat an SEC powerhouse when it mattered, again?
As opposed to Navy and Purdue. Notre Dame has exactly two quality wins: Stanford and Oklahoma.
Do you think Georgia has better wins than Stanford at home and @ Oklahoma? Georgia's second best win is...Vandy? Georgia has played Florida Atlantic, Buffalo, Georgia Southern, Kentucky, Auburn, Mizzou, and Tennessee. The only decent teams they played are an Ole Miss team that might not go bowling, South Carolina (who housed them) and Florida.
As opposed to Navy and Purdue. Notre Dame has exactly two quality wins: Stanford and Oklahoma.
Which is one more than Georgia has (Florida) or Alabama (LSU).
Today. After the SEC championship game one of those teams will have two.
Which will be roughly approximate to ND's two wins. I'm not seeing the imbalance here.
Beating Mizzou in Columbia is as impressive as beating Stanford in South Bend.
Beating Florida in Jacksonville is as impressive as beating Oklahoma in Norman.
Again, my position is that if they played 10, they'd split. ND is reasonably competitive in a (weak) SEC this year. They're not a great team by any stretch. The only reason they're undefeated is because they didn't have to run any sort of gauntlet of good teams, picking and choosing their weeks. (The idea that beating Purdue by 3 is more impressive than beating Buffalo by 20 is silly.
There is no imbalance. I'm just saying that Notre Dame won't have a superior resume. Don't get me wrong, I'm totally against an all SEC title game.
I may have vastly underrated Syracuse.
Vandy would have won the ACC or the Big East this year, I suspect. But it's a really good year for Vandy, and all they'd have to do would be beat out FSU or Louisville.
So you'd favor Mizzou over Oregon at home?
Well, to be clear, I simply asked if you went with OR or FL as the competition against AL or UGA, assuming ND lost to USC.
Seriously? 5-6 Mizzou? Who just lost at home to Syracuse? That's as good as beating Stanford who just beat Oregon at Oregon? Well, I guess I'm just glad you aren't the one making the decisions.
There is no imbalance. I'm just saying that Notre Dame won't have a superior resume. Don't get me wrong, I'm totally against an all SEC title game.
OK, then we are on the same page. I don't think ND's resume will be superior to the SEC champ. They sure as heck will deserving of their bid in the MNC game though.
Not exactly.
UGA flew to Columbia and beat Mizzou by 21.
ND hosted Stanford, who was flying east half a continent, and scraped out alive in OT.
Those are about equivalent wins, all told.
The problem with the computers' SOS ratings is they don't account for margin of victory.
That's a huge assumption. But Notre Dame did struggle against Pitt, BYU and Purdue, so anything's possible. Man, if only Pitt's kicker hadn't missed.
As a fan of schadenfreude I'm torn on the Notre Dame-USC game. Part of me wants to see Notre Dame lose to a red shirt freshman making his first start. But that would do wonders for Lane Kiffin's job security, and I don't want that. Although if he's back next season that's another year of laughing at Lane Kiffin, so it's a win win.
The problem with the computers' SOS ratings is they don't account for margin of victory.
Here is the full gamut of computer rankings. These are not hindered by the prohibition of MOV required by the BCS.
It's a hypothetical. It's not an odds based prediction.
Right, I'm sure the difference between 41-14 and 13-6 is just Michigan getting hyped to play ND or something.
Right, I'm sure the difference between 41-14 and 13-6 is just Michigan getting hyped to play ND or something.
So we can agree that Notre Dame was significantly better than Georgia last year on the basis of their common opponent: Michigan State.
UGA wasn't very good last year.
Based on this statement you're giving a significant home field advantage for both teams. Michigan losing at Notre Dame doesn't get any of the home field advantage? Alabama is probably a much better team then Notre Dame, but I don't know how you can say that about Florida or Georgia, plus the fact that Notre Dame still hasn't lost.
*Florida has had close calls with LA-Lafayette and Missouri. Georgia squeaked by Tennessee and Kentucky. Teams have bad games.
If you're going on a plane, is there really a big difference between going to places like South Bend, IN and Syracuse, NY, in contrast with Linocln and Iowa City?
Please, no one feels for these kids.
And for the third time on this page, my position is that ND is basically the equivalent of UGA or UF this year, a good but not great SEC team in a weak year for the SEC. The only stand-out programs this year are Bama and Oregon, both of which got sucker-punched late by good-but-not-great teams.
<Sandusky joke>
To clarify, beating Mizzou by 21, in Columbia, is as impressive as scraping by a eastward-travelling Stanford squad in OT, at home in South Bend.
Guffaw.
Oh. You're actually serious. Well, don't let a legitimate discussion affect your SEC-blinders.
And what exactly this year suggests they're any different? They ran the table against a bunch of patsies with one good win sprinkled in, and are generally uncompetitive in games against top 10 teams. The only difference is they were smart enough to not schedule a team that could beat them in the non-conference.
Tell me again how Ohio State is going to ground and pound Florida, man.
Tell me how a game six years ago, featuring zero Georgia teams, is relevant to the discussion that Georgia has no business playing for the national championship this year.
Now, if you want to argue that that Florida team was a deserving national champion, you're probably on the right path, though, considering what I've seen above, you'll probably end up talking about big their win at Vanderbilt was.
So the problem here is that you can't read for comprehension?
Non-responsive. You can talk all you want about past SEC champions. But that has no bearing on how good any of the SEC teams are now. And it sure as #### has nothing to do with a team that has looked pretty ugly in its only two games against teams worth a darn, which includes getting absolutely annihilated. So, I guess congrats on beating just one team, that also happens to be propped up due to an incredibly weak schedule.
Notre Dame is only favored by 5 and a half.
Only one conference champ will likely be lower ranked than the top 14 (Big East). Take out the 4 SEC teams that can't go, and that leaves 7 slots for 8 remaining eligible teams. Oklahoma or K-State could be out of the BCS bowls with one more loss. Oklahoma State could be in. The beauty of it is that the bowls themselves might have almost no flexibility to choose.
Every non-SEC team currently ranked 6 to 21 has their own "BCS fate" in their hands.
Of course. The winner of that game has an autobid to the BCS, regardless of rank. Winner will goes to the orange bowl probably vs. Acc champ.
I assume you are talking Rutgers/Louisville for the Big East title? I wasn't very clear. Yes, assuming they both win this weekend, the winner will get the big east title and go to the BCS. However, if the Big East winner ALSO ends up in the top 14, then potentially all the BCS team slots must be used on the top 14 teams, minus the 4 SEC teams that cannot go do to the max 2 from the same conference rule.
No bowl selection "snubs" would be possible.
Edit: except, of course, for the 4 SEC teams that will insist they should have been the second SEC team selected.
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