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Yes, if only George Bush was still president.
There's a video from Fox News that's out there where it appears that the Fox guys try to bring Romney into the discussion and Christie brushes it aside pretty harshly.
But I agree - this is what I would expect my elected representative to say in the same situation.
Jon Chait has an article up -- Why Democrats are Right to Politicize Sandy - and as alluded above/last page -- I think he's right.
One party finds no part of government - except the DoD's procurement budget, I guess, which even at a size as large as the next 15 nations combined must be bigger -- that isn't too big to cut.
FEMA was targeted for cuts under Ryan's budget and it was also spoken of as being bound for the knife by Romney in the primaries.
We have one party that longs for the days of the Articles of Confederation. A monster storm that whacks nearly the entire eastern seaboard seems to be precisely what we might imagine god might deliver if s/he had a rooting interest in that debate (and yes, that's tongue-in-cheek... I'm not doing a bizarro Falwell fer reals).
FEMA's annual budget is about 1/10 of the cost of a new class of navy warships, and roughly 1/8 the cost of the Osprey program, etc. Roughly 20 fewer F-22 raptors would fund FEMA.
Ultimately, this is about budget priorities... no - I don't expect the Obama campaign to be making this point today, or even tomorrow -- but it's political malpractice not to make sure someone isn't making the point.
Just out of curiosity, how would that have worked exactly... Obama parachuting in into Benghazi on a classified FTL-enabled plane with Snakeyes, Scarlett, Gung-ho, and the rest of the secret G.I. Joe team to foil Destro's attack?
This bore repeating. FEMA, decently run, is a swell, 'bang for your buck' program that can't sanely be privatized.
It would be nice, however, if he responded to the questions he got peppered with at his rally -- excuse, me, 'relief event' -- regarding his previous statements to cut FEMA funding or the planned cuts that were in his running mate's budget. Just seems like a pertinent topic...
No, the Republican said what everyone expected him to say and what basic decency and courtesy required him to say. But now Dems are acting as if Christie endorsed Obama over Romney. It's absurd.
If the shoe fits, wear it proudly. Perhaps Romney can also get Christie to endorse his call for the abolition of FEMA. Perhaps Romney should just tell Christie that he's being unprincipled in accepting help from The Enemy. Or maybe Romney may be having second thoughts about letting his options be controlled by Grover Norquist and the Tea Party.
Close but you're operating under old assumptions. It would be more like this.
Well, all polling should give us pause but to focus on that is goal post shifting so in the end it simply looks like a biased observer simply looking for reasons to discount things they do not wish to hear or see.
By all account, and not just the Times' poll, early voting is trending by a good deal towards Obama. We also know that in 2008 early voting heavily favored Obama so early voting in 2012 isn't coming out of nowhere. So if the state is close, and it is, and the early voting is trending a good deal towards Obama then a 2 to 5 point victory in Ohio isn't something that should be unexpected and indeed the polls overall say that Obama should win the state by 2 points or more.
The Hill has more on heckuva job Brownie's comments -- a link to a local CO reporter's blog (Brownie, for reasons beyond my comprehension, has a talk radio show in CO)...
Some things just absolutely boggle my mind. I wonder if it's possible for the Obama campaign to use a radio 'ad buy' to in effect just have Brownie's show broadcast in 60 second chunks nationwide throughout the next week...
Let's cut to the chase of this one, okay.
Joey has had a couple of weeks to lick his wounds and surly up over the epic fail of "Natitude" this post-season.
Joey is back in the political thread throwing #### like an angry monkey because he knows which ways the winds are blowing for this election.
I'm going to just randomly guess and say it's based out of Colorado Springs?
Yes, we all know how accessible Obama and Biden have been to hard-hitting reporters this year. Give us a break.
In the modern Republican party, saying something nice about Obama is considered tantamount to endorsing him.
Hell, Dick Lugar lost a primary to a whackjob simply because he didn't say enough bad things about Obama...
If a right-winger said this, we'd be told it was a racist, pro-hurricane dog whistle.
Agreed. I think politics is about (gasp) the real world and solving problems therein. When Government fails the opponents of Government should be able to point it out and when it succeeds similarly the proponents should be able to do likewise. Of course it can be taken much much to far).
1. FEMA has been pretty damned awesome in this disaster, so far. To quote someone I read somewhere today, the guy that decided to shut down power to Lower Manhattan before the flood killed it all is a friggin' genius.
2. Chris Christie is the governor of a state that just got destroyed by a natural disaster. He's going to honestly reach out to anyone who helps him and his state.
3. Christie has never much liked the GOP base and wouldn't be too terribly interested in catering to them now.
4. Politics ends at the water's edge, they say. (Yeah, I'm aware of how bad of taste that one was.)
Exactly what area of policy or ideology is unanswered?
Romney has been disavowing positions he's been yammering about for 5 years at a rate of one per day -- but his previous statements on cutting FEMA funding, sourcing it to the states, or "even better", to the private sector are unlike abortion, Medicare, foreign policy and everything else under the sun... So, you know, I'm pretty sure I and the rest of the nation understand where FEMA falls in relation to budget priorities and the like from Team blue...
Have we finally found a Romney primary position that is still operable?
For starters, there seems to be a question or two unanswered with regards to Benghazi.
You're confused as to whether the Obama administration is anti-attacks on diplomats?
Intentional Grounding...
We've busted the officials union and we're using replacement refs...
You're confused as to Romney's comments about having the states be more responsible for their own problems?
Yep, that's right: Obama is a week away from getting his sorry, incompetent, lying ass kicked out of office.
Is that a no?
There are all sorts of good reasons to keep government as small as reasonably possible. The myth of private sector efficiency isn't a compelling one of them.
Er, given his possible replacement I'm not sure why you find the idea of Obama lying worthy of note.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/disney-says-it-is-buying-star-wars-maker-lucasfilm-for-405-billion-from-george-lucas/2012/10/30/484eb5ae-22cc-11e2-92f8-7f9c4daf276a_story.html
And just out of curiosity, since you don't seem to be all that geographically aware of how easily, say... New York and New Jersey tend to bleed into each other...
Is New York or New Jersey responsible for the Holland tunnel? Does NY just clear the NY section and sandbag it at the border until NJ can get its side cleared? And if a house in NJ floats out to sea, does it become NY's problem if it drifts a certain amount? If the AC boardwalk washes up on Delaware's shore - does it becomes Delaware's responsibility to deal with? Or - does New Jersey need to send personnel to clean it up? If a motorist happens to become stranded in flood waters right on the state line, do they flip a coin over who's responsible for the rescue? If one state has more helicopters than it does people to rescue, while another has more people to rescue than it does helicopters -- what is the mechanism to get the resources from one state to the other?
I guess what I'm asking, Joe... since disasters like this don't tend to pay attention to imaginary lines, can you perhaps explain why it wouldn't be more efficient to have something like an overarching authority -- let's call it a "federal authority"... or perhaps a federal emergency management agency handle such things?
p.s.--McCoy guy--It's the method, not the suggested outcome that bothered me. Hey, I'd love to see Obama by 5 in OH. That suggests a 50%+ popular vote, and a 300+ EC vote. It won't give him any more legitimacy to the GOP, but it might help stiffen his spine for the various fights ahead.
I do find the fear that Obama, with no re-election to worry about, will come out of his Muslim closet pretty funny. A more stiff, predictable, hawkish Democrat would be hard to find.
That's nothing new, he's been a week away from being impeached for being a Kenyan Marxist Communist racist Muslim who hates America since he was elected. Don't you read World Net Daily?
With the exception of Alaska and Hawaii, all the states "bleed into each other."
I'm sure you've heard of the Port Authority of New York & New Jersey.
Since when does FEMA act as first responders? Adjoining states, adjoining cities, adjoining counties were cooperating on things like this 24/7/365 since long before FEMA.
There are a thousand things that "don't pay attention to imaginary lines," and yet somehow they get handled without a federal agency being involved.
Am I arguing for a complete dismantling of FEMA? No. Have the states come to rely far too much on FEMA? Yes.
Since the election is now all about Sandy, I assume that if Obama loses Ohio (and hence the election), it could only be because many citizens of that state were unable to cast their ballots because they were too busy making sandwiches for improvident NYC residents.
And not doing it very well... I'd be happy to give you a history lesson various natural disasters throughout the nation's history and the death tolls associated therein, but I'm afraid I have to step away for a bit...
Huh? I don't think there was any point where anyone could have saved those lives.
Unless, of course, you think Obama is Superman, and he could have heard the attack with his super-hearing and flown over there in less than a few seconds to stop the attack as it happened.
I mean, I like Obama, but I don't think he's as powerful as you make him out to be...
I haven't had a chance to watch the news, but have some Obama surrogates/spokespeople actually come out and said that "Christie loves Obama"? Or is it just left-leaning folk on this website poking fun at the right-leaning folk on this website?
QFT. Conservatives undermine the credibility of their argument with their fetishization of "private" activity. The private sector is neither particularly private, nor particularly efficient, nor particularly conservative. Indeed, in a general sense the private activity of the market that conservatives consistently defend radically erodes the fundamental basis of conservative values.
I would be willing to change my handle (for a few months) to "Bitter Mouse knows Joe K was right" if Romney wins and if Joe K is willing to do the flipside :)
I would be willing to buy drinks and such in person, but since I live on the frozen tundra of Montana* there is no one near me.
* I really live in Minnesota, and it is not really tundra, but is flyover land.
This was my next question as well. There's nothing the nation needs more right now than NYPD and Jersey state police pissing on each other over jurisdiction and responsibility.
I think the reality is that in an election this close, little things could very well make the difference. Having Christie speak well of him probably helps Obama with a few voters (certainly does not hurt). I don't know if it will make a difference, but as one television ad recently reminded me, sometimes all it takes is 538 extra votes.
Hey I was just surprised CC did it, I was not poking fun or assuming it really meant anything.
It's just us. No one from the Obama campaign has said anything that I've seen. The outrage from the RW nutters here seems to be "OMG you guys mentioned that Christie bro-hugged Obama!" and "OMG, the evil librul media asked Romney about FEMA today, for no good reason at all!!!"
Because, well, they're nutters. It's what they do.
Oooh. I like that one.
In what ways did FEMA reduce the death toll of Hurricane Sandy that were unique to FEMA and couldn't have been accomplished by the relevant local agencies?
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It's getting some traction online. Politico, for example, has a headline claiming "Christie Heaps Praise on Obama," which is more than a little exaggerated.
Thanks. I think through inaugeration would be more than enough time.
Not outrage at all. Just pointing out that there is an almost laughable effort to spin everything Obama does as ensuring his election. Touring the flood zone with Chris Christie is not going to affect the election.
Ha ha. Shouldn't you do that anyway, regardless of a Romney win or loss?
Yep. The only way the election narrative moves much between now and then is if the response is notably bungled by Obama's administration.
No Bush appointees in charge.
"Please roll up the sleeves of your shirt, all shirts. Even the president rolled his sleeves to just below the elbow. In this [crisis] and on TV you just need to look more hard-working."
By "all shirts" I assume they mean short sleeves too. No word if a pack of cigarettes was to be placed in one rolled sleeve.
I suspect they are desperate to print anything political, since FrankenStorm has put a giant hole in their news cycle (How many stories about a storm and its influence on the election can they write? The pixels on the website are not going to fill themeselves).
That should be sufficient torture.
Admiral Ackbar says hi.
This is almost enough to make me root for an Obama win.
Edited to add: Whoops! Forgot Tower was never confirmed!
Ray Nagin? Kathleen Blanco?
You don't think he did a heck of a job? In other words, you think our wartime Commander-In-Chief was a liar at a time when our braves troops were overseas protecting our freedoms against the terrorists who hate us and want to kill us?
Shame on you.
Hence the Donald deigning to extend his generous offer by 19 hours.
The Donald has to be a Dem double-agent, right?
If you're the mayor of a city located below sea level in a hurricane zone, or the governor of a state whose most important city is located below sea level in a hurricane zone, and you don't have anything resembling an adequate disaster plan, you're really, really bad at your job.
I'll grant that FEMA's response to Katrina wasn't the world's best, but just out of curiosity, what would a great response have looked like? After having their homes and businesses washed away, would NOLA residents have given FEMA a big thumbs-up if the MREs and bottled water had arrived in 24 hours instead of 36 hours? Was FEMA supposed to have 50,000 homes sitting, pre-built and furnished, in Kansas or New Mexico, just waiting for 200,000 storm evacuees to arrive?
Hurricane Katrina was a major natural disaster, people were miserable in the aftermath, and the recovery was going to take a long, long time. The best-possible response by FEMA wouldn't have improved people's moods (or lives) by more than one point on a 10-point scale.
Again, I think this election is close enough that even now some of these littles things may make the difference. Not saying they will but to simply dismiss this is silly (or wishful thinking).
On a tangent.
I'm working on a Civilization-style game at the moment in which you rely heavily on "Great Men (or women)" to drive the action. Based on various national factors people periodically spring up who in RPG fashion have attributes which change as they "level up" then deteriorate as they approach death. They progress up various "class trees" which allow them to do things like make scientific breakthroughs, make innovations in engineering, create works of art, lead armies, manage tanneries, enact fiscal reforms, or interpret religious texts. Part of the levelling process is unlocking "perks" (I'm "borrowing" from several different games here). For instance one of the "Business" class perks is "Industrial Espionage" which allows you to steal a perk from another "Business" class person. Or "Mad Professor" which improves your rate of scientific breakthrough by 15% but doesn't allow you to participate in shared research bonuses (such as the "Royal Scientific Society" policy, which when enacted gives a scientist a 2% bonus to research for each other scientist operating in the same province.)
Anyway, the long and the short of it is, I need some more perks for the "Bureaucrat" class.
So far I've got
"Viceroy" - which confers a ruling bonus when operating in a colony province
"Clerking Staff" - which allows the bureaucrat to more narrowly focus on a policy he wants to enact
"Reformer" - reduces the amount of waste in provincial taxation
"Census Taken" - increases available manpower in the province by 5%
The actual rules of the game are in flux, so vague is the way to go. I'm really just looking for positive attributes to assign to bureaucrats...it's proving challenging!
Oh you're one of those disreputable fact-checkers are you?
FEMA had very little coordination with local and state officials and agencies. What coordination there was universally bungled, including sending relief truck away, and ordering that first-responders get approval from upper-level FEMA management. Brown himself has horribly inaccurate information about the situation on the ground in NOLA. Brown was far more concerned with how his masters in the Bush administration would come off then in actually doing his job, showing more concern about journalists not getting pictures of the devastation and the bodies then on fixing the devastation itself.
I am unsure if it was Brown who allowed Blackwater mercenaries to be deputized as law enforcement and given permission to use lethal force, or if that was another wing of the Bush administration.
Office space, above all else, perhaps even the oath to the Constitution, is of vital importance. There's always a major battle over who gets what, and people will go to the mattresses over relatively small issues. Window offices with a view are the big prizes in DC.
But FEMA was never designed as a first-responder agency in the first place. FEMA is mostly a bunch of guys with clipboards who assess damage, help direct people to the right government agency(ies), etc. I don't want to debate Katrina for the hundredth time, but the whole notion of FEMA being some sort of Government Superhero was a false narrative in 2005 — one that was mostly if not entirely driven by a media that hated Bush — and it remains a false narrative in 2012, at least to the extent that people like Zonk believe FEMA somehow lowered Sandy's death toll in ways that the NYPD and FDNY couldn't have.
That Chrysler was shipping jobs to China and implying that it was Obama's fault. Here it is.
I think "inoculated" is a strong term. If next Monday morning people are sitting on rooftops begging for rescue, have no drinkable water, or are being eaten by giant Gambian rats, the admin will be held responsible.
Harriet Miers?
"The people are stupid and easily led." It worked well enough in the first debate.
Meanwhile, Romney is +1.0 in the ABC/WaPo tracker, +1.0 at NPR, +2.0 at Rasmussen, and holding at +5 at Gallup, which won't update until tomorrow at the earliest.
For a long time I thought this was saying that the movie Office Space is a good place to go to find a good assessment of bureaucracy. While I now realize that's not what you were saying, I still think it's a good point.
Does anyone else find it deliciously ironic that Hurricane Sandy has forced the “suspension” of the Obama campaign while the president play-acts the role of nurturer-in-chief in the aftermath of the storm? (...) Now, thanks to Sandy, Obama’s a prisoner in his own White House, reduced to the role of First Suit as he poses for photo-ops and feigns concern about the plight of Snooki and others along the Jersey Shore
Swell fella.
Sending Bill Clinton to Minnesota, too. Suggests they are playing defense.
Seeds of doubt and it got the message out there nation wide. You put it out there and it gets picked up by the media and a certain segment of the population is going to believe it regardless of what the other side later says. It is a GOTV tactic and a way to control what is being discussed.
I also recall FEMA doing things which were counter-productive. I remember a Jefferson Parish official on TV livid over something FEMA was doing which was hindering the locals efforts. Something about shutting down generators at government buildings. I remember him saying they are back on now, and guarded by Sheriff's deputies.
Gallup
Well, if Obama was actually doing as well as some of his partisans here have suggested, he'd be campaigning in more GOP-friendly states. Pennsylvania, Michigan & Minnesota are states that Obama thought he had locked up when this thread began.
Just my opinion, but I suspect the election will come down to Ohio, Virginia, Ohio, Colorado, Ohio, New Hampshire, Ohio, Iowa, Ohio, Wisconsin, Ohio & New Hampshire. And Ohio.
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