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OT: September 2014 College Football thread

Link is to Ian Boyd’s piece at SBNation on the evolution of the zone read:

{I}f you were to ask a longtime defensive coach like Manny Diaz where the sport is heading, he’d point you to a signature moment in the most thrilling game in recent memory: Auburn’s victory in the 2013 Iron Bowl over mighty Alabama.

But Diaz wasn’t as struck by the “Kick Six” touchdown that sealed the deal for the Tigers, nor the budding Saban-vs.-spread rivalry. Instead Diaz zeroes in on a play by Auburn quarterback Nick Marshall, one ending 31 seconds before Chris Davis’ 109-yard game-winner.

“It’s the most significant thing to happen to college football,” the 17-year coaching veteran says. “The most important play of last season was the touchdown that tied the game at 28.”

The play in question started out as a standard zone-read play, one Auburn had been running the entire season. It was at this moment that Gus Malzahn’s offense brought football’s future to the biggest stage.

Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 02, 2014 at 01:10 PM | 276 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 02, 2014 at 04:05 PM (#4783959)
The broken formatting mocks me no more.
   2. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 02, 2014 at 04:07 PM (#4783961)
AP poll:

Rk Team (1st)           Pts
 1 Florida State 
(46)   1456
 2 Alabama 
(1)          1317
 3 Oregon 
(5)           1314
 4 Oklahoma 
(2)         1283
 5 Auburn               1186
 6 Georgia 
(2)          1114
 7 Michigan State       1093
 8 Ohio State            982
 9 Texas A
&(2)         978
10 Baylor                962
11 UCLA                  944
12 LSU 
(1)               926
13 Stanford              886
14 USC                   729
15 Ole Miss              525
16 Notre Dame            319
17 Arizona state         431
18 Wisconsin             364
19 Nebraska              352
20 Kansas State          325
21 South Carolina        196
21 North Carolina        196
23 Clemson               164
24 Missouri              147
25 Louisville            141 


Sports Information Directors:

Rk Team (1st)           Pts
 1 Florida State 
(57)   1541
 2 Alabama              1432
 3 Oklahoma 
(2)         1407
 4 Oregon 
(2)           1358
 5 Auburn               1289
 6 Michigan State       1141
 7 Ohio State           1114
 8 Georgia 
(1)          1108
 9 Baylor               1018
10 Stanford              999
11 UCLA                  964
12 LSU                   912
13 Texas A
&M             895
14 USC                   713
15 Notre Dame            605
16 Arizona state         502
17 Ole Miss              438
18 Nebraska              384
19 Wisconsin             373
20 Kansas State          370
21 South Carolina        272
22 Missouri              189
23 North Carolina        168
24 Clemson               155
25 Texas                 150 
   3. Moloka'i Three-Finger Brown (Declino DeShields) Posted: September 02, 2014 at 04:51 PM (#4784021)
Is there a history of West Coast teams laboring in games starting at noon ET, or was UCLA's effort really just that pathetic? UVa essentially gave the game away, which is intersting, since the Cavaliers haven't been seen as relevant here in Virginia in a long time now.
   4. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 02, 2014 at 05:15 PM (#4784056)
It's a documented phenomenon in the NFL, but I'm unsure that it's been studied in college.
   5. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: September 02, 2014 at 05:22 PM (#4784063)
but I'm unsure that it's been studied in college.
Probably because it's so rare. Not just for a West Coast team to go that far east, but to have such an early kickoff, too.
   6. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: September 02, 2014 at 07:05 PM (#4784143)
You really can't underestimate the fact that they are UCLA. Expectations are their kryptonite.

USC made the same cross country journey to start the season in 2008 and beat Virginia 52-7.
   7. Moloka'i Three-Finger Brown (Declino DeShields) Posted: September 03, 2014 at 09:53 AM (#4784424)
6: True -- I remember that game well (although it was a 3:30 pm ET start).
   8. hokieneer Posted: September 03, 2014 at 10:01 AM (#4784432)
Thanks for the link Lance, that was an interesting read.

I enjoyed the references in the article and comments to the POP play in Madden. It obviously wasn't as smooth or structured as it could be now, but you could do some *broken* things running play action with someone like Vick.
   9. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: September 03, 2014 at 11:27 AM (#4784495)
Florida enters September undefeated!

I enjoyed the references in the article and comments to the POP play in Madden. It obviously wasn't as smooth or structured as it could be now, but you could do some *broken* things running play action with someone like Vick.


Oh, lord, I remember playing against guys in college who always chose the Vick Falcons. You just call a Hail Mary and Vick could either scramble for huge gains when all the defenders ran back to cover the receivers or flick the ball 70 yards for a touchdown if you left some defenders up to cover the run.
   10. GGC don't think it can get longer than a novella Posted: September 04, 2014 at 03:29 PM (#4785587)
This may seem like a dumb question: how is that pop play legal? Won't interior linemen be too far downfield?
   11. The Robby Hammock District (Dan Lee) Posted: September 04, 2014 at 03:45 PM (#4785595)
This may seem like a dumb question: how is that pop play legal? Won't interior linemen be too far downfield?
Not a dumb question at all. If it's a draw/pop pass option, the linemen aren't downfield anyway, and if it's a zone read run play with a pop pass option, the interior linemen stop three yards from the line until they see a pass has been thrown.

As an admitted Chip Kelly fanboy, I hatehatehatehate the idea of unengaged blockers standing still downfield, but that's how Ole Miss avoids the ineligible receiver penalty.
   12. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: September 04, 2014 at 03:53 PM (#4785600)
This may seem like a dumb question: how is that pop play legal? Won't interior linemen be too far downfield?


Bama fans argue to this day that a lineman was downfield on the Iron Bowl pop TD they discuss to open that article. You need a disciplined line, and the play has to develop quickly.
   13. TerpNats Posted: September 04, 2014 at 04:02 PM (#4785612)
Is there a history of West Coast teams laboring in games starting at noon ET, or was UCLA's effort really just that pathetic?
Cal played at Maryland at noon ET some years ago, and the Terps blew them out. The following year, Cal hosted Maryland, and scheduled it as a night game PT. The Bears returned the favor.
   14. spike Posted: September 04, 2014 at 07:01 PM (#4785713)
Very interesting read, Lance - thank you
   15. spike Posted: September 05, 2014 at 02:10 PM (#4786179)
Pop pass for a TD in the GB/SEA game last night - coincidentally it's HaHa Clinton-Dix getting beaten on the same play he missed in the Iron Bowl. He stays at home this time, but misses the tackle anyway.
   16. madvillain Posted: September 05, 2014 at 02:27 PM (#4786205)
Pop pass for a TD in the GB/SEA game last night - coincidentally it's HaHa Clinton-Dix getting beaten on the same play he missed in the Iron Bowl. He stays at home this time, but misses the tackle anyway.


I'm pretty sure that Calvin McGee and Rich Rod "invented" that play at the college level. It was used several times with Pat White and Denard Robinson. The Michigan blogosphere has a name for it: "QB Oh Noes".

The problem with Denard throwing it is half the time it would get knocked down at the line of scrimmage. Wilson has such great pocket feel he mitigates his size problems much moreso than Denard ever could.
   17. madvillain Posted: September 05, 2014 at 02:31 PM (#4786209)
ND is chickenshit I just want to have some ND fan come in here and defend their decision to end the Michigan series. It's routintely one of the highest rated regular season college games and although they've taken breaks in the past pretty much every ND and UM fan under 35 has grown up with this series as an almost yearly thing.

I am sad to see it end and the blame lies squarely at the feet of ND trying to "massage their schedule" to be a bit more playoff friendly.
   18. McCoy Posted: September 05, 2014 at 03:02 PM (#4786243)
By playing Ohio St instead?
   19. madvillain Posted: September 05, 2014 at 03:15 PM (#4786254)
By playing Ohio St instead?


lol, in 10 years CFB as we know it could be gone. I'm talking about the here and now.
   20. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 05, 2014 at 03:18 PM (#4786256)
Notre Dame is essentially replacing Michigan with games against Texas, Georgia and Ohio State, so it's certainly not being done to make the schedule easier. It wants recruits from those states.

The real problem with the future scheduling is the treatment of Michigan State and Purdue, who've historically been every bit the constant presences that Navy and USC have, and now they'll be getting a home-and-home every six or eight years. The ACC arrangement still left ample room for those four games, plus Stanford if finishing the season in California every year is such a priority.
   21. Quaker Posted: September 05, 2014 at 03:19 PM (#4786257)
Yes, ND is very scared. That's why they're playing Texas, UGA and OSU instead.

Look at UMich's schedule. Then look at "chickenshit" ND's and STFU.
   22. Every Inge Counts Posted: September 05, 2014 at 03:41 PM (#4786277)
Yeah the zone read pass play is easy to execute if the refs never call illegal man downfield.

I think during today's press conference Saban said offenses have changed more than ever the last 5 years than anytime he has recalled. One reason why college football is so interesting is that you can play a team like Auburn or A&M next week, then an Alabama or Georgia the following. You might have the guys on D to stop one look, but not the other. Don't really see that in the NFL for a variety of reasons.
   23. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: September 05, 2014 at 04:03 PM (#4786299)
FWIW, back when Michigan's AD was brand new (and the Big Ten forged that scheduling agreement with the PAC) he made public comments about how they might not be able to do annual home-and-home series because of their mandate to have 7 home games a year.

ND joined the ACC which required 5 games a year and had to make choices. The strategy has been to play a game in California every year (USC and Stanford alternate), Navy will always be on the schedule (saved ND from shutting its doors in WWII) which is a home-and-home, they want a Temple/Rice type of tune up, and they're doing the neutral site thing. That's ten games right there. ND's much longer rivalries with Michigan State and Purdue are also taking breaks.
   24. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: September 05, 2014 at 04:14 PM (#4786321)
The article I was referring to is here, I think. It's from 2011.

"In the near term, it will not change anything," Brandon wrote with regard to the scheduling in the Michigan-Notre Dame series. "Long term is never easy to predict."
   25. spike Posted: September 05, 2014 at 04:17 PM (#4786324)
Yeah the zone read pass play is easy to execute if the refs never call illegal man downfield

Do we know with some certainty that it is frequently not being called properly? Maybe it's just hard to defend when properly run.
   26. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: September 05, 2014 at 04:21 PM (#4786329)
ND is clearly attempting to avoid the "midwestern football sucks" fate of the B10.

   27. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: September 05, 2014 at 04:30 PM (#4786342)
Look at UMich's schedule. Then look at "chickenshit" ND's and STFU.

STFU scored a few points against Kansas State, their schedule isn't all Central Arkansas and Abilene Christian.
   28. madvillain Posted: September 05, 2014 at 04:32 PM (#4786344)
ND is clearly attempting to avoid the "midwestern football sucks" fate of the B10.


Well, they've failed at that.

Look at UMich's schedule. Then look at "chickenshit" ND's and STFU.


Unlike the precious Indie ND, Michigan is part of a conference. A conference that is hell bent on destroying itself in FB. Michigan is simply along for the ride and plays all the teams in its conference, err, divison. I hate Michigan's AD with a passion but he's only a small part of the problem with the schedule. ND cancelling with no warning didn't help.
   29. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: September 05, 2014 at 05:12 PM (#4786409)
Man, you need to lighten up on the hate.
   30. JAHV Posted: September 05, 2014 at 05:30 PM (#4786441)
I am both excited and really nervous about Oregon - MSU tomorrow. I am a huge proponent of scheduling good out of conference games, so I love that this game is happening. And I think the Ducks will win, but it's going to be close. I expect the Spartans to cover. 12 points, or whatever the spread is now, seems way too big, but with the way the Ducks can put up points, I guess Vegas knows what they're doing.

As disappointing as it would be for either team to lose, I don't think it's a death knell for a playoff berth. Both teams could still go on to win their conference and end up as a top four team at season's end.
   31. JAHV Posted: September 05, 2014 at 05:35 PM (#4786449)
STFU scored a few points against Kansas State, their schedule isn't all Central Arkansas and Abilene Christian.


Isn't Southern Tennessee Fordham University in the AAC now?
   32. spike Posted: September 05, 2014 at 06:06 PM (#4786473)
I guess Vegas knows what they're doing.

Only in that they set the line to mitigate risk rather than predict outcomes - it'd be hard to entice MSU bets with much less I think. But I don't follow very closely outside of SEC/ACC so I could be all wet.
   33. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: September 05, 2014 at 06:16 PM (#4786480)
I am so torn by this latest sequence of posts. On the one hand, Notre Dame. Pure evil. Meteor from space type villainy. On the other hand, there's a Meatchicken fan in a lather. Sometimes life is hard.
   34. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: September 05, 2014 at 06:58 PM (#4786505)
I am a huge proponent of scheduling good out of conference games, so I love that this game is happening. And I think the Ducks will win, but it's going to be close.


I am, too, but I'm nervous. The Ducks have a history of struggling with old-fashioned, hard-nosed defenses. I don't know that MSU really has the offense to win this thing on the road, but I also don't think you're gonna get a 45-30 kind of game, which is exactly what Oregon wants.

I'll be in Eugene with my dad tomorrow. It's kind of exciting, but I expect that it's going to be a very different experience to watching them trade TDs against USC a few years back.
   35. McCoy Posted: September 05, 2014 at 07:40 PM (#4786530)
I'm pissed that Notre Dame agreed to play the ACC and then had Marlyand move to the B10. Now that is a shitty move. . . by Maryland.
   36. JAHV Posted: September 05, 2014 at 07:48 PM (#4786533)
I am, too, but I'm nervous. The Ducks have a history of struggling with old-fashioned, hard-nosed defenses. I don't know that MSU really has the offense to win this thing on the road, but I also don't think you're gonna get a 45-30 kind of game, which is exactly what Oregon wants.

I'll be in Eugene with my dad tomorrow. It's kind of exciting, but I expect that it's going to be a very different experience to watching them trade TDs against USC a few years back.


I agree. I think it's incredibly important for Oregon to go up early. I don't relish the thought of playing against a tough MSU defense that has momentum on its side while MSU's offense grinds out long drives.

Have fun at the game! Unfortunately, I haven't been able to get back to Eugene for football since 2004. And the last game I've seen in person was Oregon at UCLA in 2007, the game after Dixon went down with the torn ACL. Oof, that game was ugly.
   37. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: September 06, 2014 at 12:40 AM (#4786630)
Washington State is bad enough that I keep switching to a Parks & Rec rerun and then forgetting to turn it back.
   38. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: September 06, 2014 at 08:24 AM (#4786654)
Boy, outside of maybe a half dozen games, this week is filled with lopsided matchups.

I am interested to see Ohio State vs. Virginia Tech. I've always kind of wondered how much Meyer's teams are dependent on finding/building that great QB to run it. He's had Alex Smith, Tebow, and Braxton Miller. After Tebow left (and Charlie Strong wasn't there to run his defense), his Florida tenure kind of fizzled out.
   39. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: September 06, 2014 at 11:17 AM (#4786677)
Go Irish, beat Michigan. Thankfully I get off work just in time to watch it.
   40. McCoy Posted: September 06, 2014 at 11:24 AM (#4786681)
Boy, outside of maybe a half dozen games, this week is filled with lopsided matchups.

That is generally how the first couple of weeks of the season goes.
   41. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 06, 2014 at 11:48 AM (#4786690)
Those half-dozen games:

3:30  USC Stanford (ABC)
6:30  Michigan State Oregon (Fox)
7:00  East Carolina South Carolina (ESPNU)
7:30  BYU Texas (FS1)
      
Michigan Notre Dame (NBC)
8:00  Virginia Tech Ohio State (ESPN


It'd be nice if those were staggered better.
   42. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: September 06, 2014 at 12:53 PM (#4786713)
It'd be nice if those were staggered better.


Nah. You want to get the late games started so they end before bedtime. PIP and channel surfing will suffice. The ECU-SC game could go at 1:30 I guess.
   43. smileyy Posted: September 06, 2014 at 01:56 PM (#4786737)
Why, knowing everything we know today, do we still celebrate hits where one player is said to "destroy" another?
   44. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 06, 2014 at 02:19 PM (#4786741)
Is it too late to elicit playoff/big six bowl predictions? I intended to do it last week -- what else is a pre-season thread for, after all? -- but my monstrous post, including schedule analysis for every possible contender*, was lost when my power went out, so I threw up my hands and went back to watching tennis.

* I mean every one. It wasn't just "Hey, Stanford doesn't miss any of the Pac-12's good teams, and it plays all but USC on the road"; I got down into stuff like Pitt's chances of making the Orange Bowl by fluking to 10-2 against a soft (no FSU, CU or UL), home-heavy (Iowa, VT, GT, Duke; @UNC) schedule.

These were my picks, uninformed by the events of opening week:

Peach Bowl: South Carolina - Marshall
Fiesta Bowl: USC - Michigan State
Orange Bowl: Louisville - Auburn
Cotton Bowl: Oklahoma - Wisconsin

Rose Bowl: Oregon - Alabama
Sugar Bowl: Florida State - Baylor

"North Texas" Bowl: Florida State over Oregon

For those not hip to the fine details, the playoff seeds will be massaged to keep the number one team from playing a "road" game. The Orange Bowl pits the ACC champ/highest-ranked non-playoff team against the highest-ranked non-playoff team (and non-champion) among SEC, Big Ten and Notre Dame. The rest of the pool consists of Power Five champions left out of the playoff, the highest-ranked Group of Five champion, and whatever number of at-large teams (based on committee rank) necessary to fill out the field. Matchups are then based on geography, rematch avoidance and the committee's idea of what would be "compelling."
   45. frannyzoo Posted: September 06, 2014 at 02:38 PM (#4786746)
Nebraska only up 3 on McNeese St. now, early 4th. An upset there would just about make my day.
   46. frannyzoo Posted: September 06, 2014 at 03:15 PM (#4786757)
Oh, and elsewhere in the country, my alma mater NTSU/UNT is beating SMU like a red-headed Methodist step-child. Where's your Eric Dickerson now, SMU? Sorry, I'll calm down now.
   47. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 06, 2014 at 03:26 PM (#4786760)
KSU trails ISU 28-26, but is moving with 2:40 to go.
   48. spike Posted: September 06, 2014 at 03:31 PM (#4786761)
The playoff committee is such a terrible idea, who knows what the hell they'll do. I can see a ####-ton of crappy backroom deals coming out of this - that's what it's designed for. All you can hope is that the team you likes goes undefeated, is from a Power 5 conference, and wins it's championship game. And even then you can get hosed. The notion that strength of schedule (or really anything) is going to trump conference affiliation with the committee members is just a non-starter. They are going to vote for their "guy" regardless.

I hate hate hate hate this idea.
   49. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 06, 2014 at 03:51 PM (#4786774)
If Stanford can manball its way to 11-2 or better against the gauntlet it faces (USC, @Washington, @Notre Dame, @Arizona State, @Oregon, @UCLA, possible CCG), I will be most impressed.
   50. Dillon Gee Escape Plan Posted: September 06, 2014 at 04:13 PM (#4786786)
Oh, and elsewhere in the country, my alma mater NTSU/UNT is beating SMU like a red-headed Methodist step-child. Where's your Eric Dickerson now, SMU? Sorry, I'll calm down now.


I don't know about Dickerson, but I'm sure Craig James is killing hookers right about now.
   51. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 06, 2014 at 04:19 PM (#4786790)
*never stops laughing at the punt for a touchback from inside the 30*
   52. steagles Posted: September 06, 2014 at 04:23 PM (#4786793)
I hate hate hate hate this idea.
i agree. i guess there's a chance they'll try to maintain some sense of neutrality for the first few years, but eventually it's gonna wind up just as you say.

my thoughts on penn state:
hackenberg looked pretty awful, but his receivers were getting held pretty consistently and i think flags should/could have been thrown on both of his interceptions. both passes were underthrown and that's on him, but in both cases, the receivers were pulled to the ground preventing them from making a play on the ball.

the defense looked pretty damn good, but i'd like to see them play less 2 deep coverage and drop a safety into the box to try to take away some of the quick slants and seam routes that led to a lot of first downs.

and belton needs to get more involved in the passing game. he was a real weapon when they managed to get him the ball in space and considering how much trouble the Oline is having in the run game, i think it'd help a lot if they had him run more swing routes and wheel routes and angle routes so they can get him in a position to make plays.

also, they need to do a much better job of getting the ball to their TEs. they have 4 guys with a legitimate chance to play in the NFL (although one of those 4 is out for the season) and the coaches need to take much more advantage of that talent.
   53. BDC Posted: September 06, 2014 at 04:58 PM (#4786803)
My gosh that SMU score was grisly. They have now been outscored 88-6 in two games.
   54. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 06, 2014 at 05:49 PM (#4786812)
Stanford's red-zone offense is pathetic.
   55. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 06, 2014 at 05:53 PM (#4786815)
It's like nobody ever considered the possibility of running a play-action pass out of the jumbo package.
   56. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 06, 2014 at 06:25 PM (#4786823)
That call was wrong. The guard hadn't engaged when the back went low; he wasn't even there yet.
   57. McCoy Posted: September 06, 2014 at 06:48 PM (#4786828)
Man, does Maryland look pathetic against pathetic teams.
   58. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: September 06, 2014 at 07:47 PM (#4786851)
That call was wrong. The guard hadn't engaged when the back went low; he wasn't even there yet.

Obviously a Trojan fan here, but yeah, that's not anything like a how I understand a chop block. I don't care if ABC found an officiating 'expert' to cosign the call. USC had no business winning that game.
   59. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: September 06, 2014 at 08:00 PM (#4786856)
Can an offensive player get ejected for a helmit to helmit hit? A mich player delivered one on a block in there first drive no call or anything.
   60. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: September 06, 2014 at 08:49 PM (#4786869)
Terrible spot there. Nd should have been at the half yard line not the 3
   61. McCoy Posted: September 06, 2014 at 08:51 PM (#4786871)
Clearly ND is afraid to play Michigan and are grateful that they won't have to play them after this year.
   62. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 06, 2014 at 08:55 PM (#4786874)
The answer to the A&M-offense-or-Sakerlina-defense question me be that South Carolina's defense is inept. ECU has 277 yards on 39 plays at the half. Gotta start punching it in, though.
   63. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: September 06, 2014 at 09:14 PM (#4786885)
They botched another review this time in ND's favor. However it doesnt matter as the very next play is a td (play reviewed was a 2nd down pass)
   64. Select Storage Device Posted: September 06, 2014 at 09:22 PM (#4786892)
Did some a-hole off-field doof just swat that poor kid in the head that dropped a sure OSU touchdown?

This game has been really good so far, especially if you don't like Urban Meyer.
   65. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: September 06, 2014 at 09:26 PM (#4786895)
the ducks seem to have figured out msu's defense.
   66. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 06, 2014 at 09:30 PM (#4786899)
Taysom Hill just hurdled a Texas defender in the open field for a touchdown.
   67. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 06, 2014 at 09:32 PM (#4786904)
Sparty would be wise to go for this.
   68. Select Storage Device Posted: September 06, 2014 at 09:32 PM (#4786906)
OSU with a Keystone Cops routine to squander must score field position.
   69. Select Storage Device Posted: September 06, 2014 at 09:50 PM (#4786917)
   70. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 06, 2014 at 10:05 PM (#4786924)
BYU is suddenly beating Texas worse than last year.
   71. McCoy Posted: September 06, 2014 at 10:09 PM (#4786927)
9 more points for ND and this will be the most points they have scored against Michigan in any of their other games against them. In terms of shutouts and biggest margin of victory Michigan holds the record with their 38-0 beating of ND in 200. So 11 more points and the maintaining of the shutout will get them that record. And of course while I type this Michigan fumbles the ball while driving.
   72. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 06, 2014 at 10:21 PM (#4786933)
South Carolina got the ball leading by seven with 12 minutes left, then ran 10 minutes off the clock.

ECU didn't help itself by finally getting a stop on third down and failing to call timeout, letting the clock roll to 1:35 before the field goal attempt.
   73. frannyzoo Posted: September 06, 2014 at 10:42 PM (#4786946)
New Mexico now trailing Arizona State by five touchdowns at home. This result will be seen as a "win" for the locals..."we" scored 23 points (and it could be more!). Moving here from a football state has been good for lots of laughs.
   74. Mike Webber Posted: September 06, 2014 at 10:46 PM (#4786949)
So if Ohio State loses, (they are trailing by 14 with more than a quarter to play that is nothing like a sure thing) coupled with the Michigan schools going down, is the Big 10 shut out of the Final Four tonight?

Not trying to be snarky, legitimately wondering.
   75. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 06, 2014 at 10:46 PM (#4786950)
Florida State had injuries of so-far-indeterminate length to its starting defensive tackles and a third member of the rotation. It already had depth issues with Jernigan and friends going to the NFL, so this might have made its season a lot more interesting.
   76. Mike Webber Posted: September 06, 2014 at 10:48 PM (#4786951)
and just like that Ohio State only down 7...
   77. Select Storage Device Posted: September 06, 2014 at 10:53 PM (#4786953)
Brewer has been kind of incredible.

Edit: At converting long 3rd's.

Edit2: Except for that one.
   78. McCoy Posted: September 06, 2014 at 10:56 PM (#4786956)
And ND does it!
   79. frannyzoo Posted: September 06, 2014 at 10:57 PM (#4786957)
This might have been the worst day in Big Ten football history. Even the teams that pulled out victories looked horrible against relatively horrible opposition. I don't really have a dog in that hunt, but as a casual observer, today ain't been good. And I say that having only just learned seconds ago that Maryland is in the Big "Ten." Really?
   80. Every Inge Counts Posted: September 06, 2014 at 10:58 PM (#4786958)
Michigan clearly stole Nussmeier from Alabama.
   81. McCoy Posted: September 06, 2014 at 10:58 PM (#4786959)
Geezus! Calling it back.
   82. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: September 06, 2014 at 11:00 PM (#4786961)
I think that was a clean block that wiped out that td.
   83. McCoy Posted: September 06, 2014 at 11:05 PM (#4786963)
And I say that having only just learned seconds ago that Maryland is in the Big "Ten." Really?

And until just now I had no idea a "McNeese St" existed let alone that they could put up 24 points against a supposedly real college team. So where is the state of McNeese?
   84. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 06, 2014 at 11:10 PM (#4786968)
How the hell did he score on that play?
   85. Select Storage Device Posted: September 06, 2014 at 11:23 PM (#4786971)
The big SHUSH.
   86. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 06, 2014 at 11:33 PM (#4786974)
So if Ohio State loses, (they are trailing by 14 with more than a quarter to play that is nothing like a sure thing) coupled with the Michigan schools going down, is the Big 10 shut out of the Final Four tonight?

Not necessarily. MSU looked really good for a long stretch in the middle of the game, so I could see it laying waste to the rest of its schedule. That wouldn't get it the nod over any one-loss SEC or Pac-12 champ, but it could totally get in over an 11-2 Pac-12 champ or an 11-1 Big 12 champ that wasn't Oklahoma. It would be really helpful if Wisconsin (biggest remaining test: hosting Nebraska) made it to the championship game 11-1.
   87. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 06, 2014 at 11:42 PM (#4786977)
Oh, come on. You don't go for a long field goal when you've got 4th-and-nothing.
   88. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 06, 2014 at 11:44 PM (#4786979)
How in the world...
   89. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: September 06, 2014 at 11:49 PM (#4786980)
who will the BIG add to increase their footprint and remind us how many billions of dollars they are worth. Don't you know they have Rutgers and Maryland now.
   90. Jeff Frances the Mute Posted: September 06, 2014 at 11:53 PM (#4786982)
That pretty much finishes off the B1G for the playoffs.
   91. Mike Webber Posted: September 07, 2014 at 12:00 AM (#4786984)
who will the BIG add to increase their footprint and remind us how many billions of dollars they are worth. Don't you know they have Rutgers and Maryland now.

I know you are kidding but the answer is Mizzou
   92. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: September 07, 2014 at 12:00 AM (#4786985)
And until just now I had no idea a "McNeese St" existed let alone that they could put up 24 points against a supposedly real college team. So where is the state of McNeese?


Hammond, where I think they're located, is always where I'd turn off from I-55 (IIRC) to go to Slidell instead of straight to New Orleans when driving down from Little Rock during my months-long attempt at a commuter marriage.
   93. Every Inge Counts Posted: September 07, 2014 at 12:14 AM (#4786988)
Hammond, where I think they're located, is always where I'd turn off from I-55 (IIRC) to go to Slidell instead of straight to New Orleans when driving down from Little Rock during my months-long attempt at a commuter marriage.


SE Louisiana is located in Hammond, McNeese State is in Lake Charles.
   94. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: September 07, 2014 at 12:23 AM (#4786990)
Oops. Never mind, then.
   95. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: September 07, 2014 at 12:24 AM (#4786991)
I knew McNeese had some material, as they have actually been competitive in past efforts vs big boys, like Troy, they made LSU sweat it out once recently. Abdullah's a stud, the problem is, he shouldn't be playing vs McNeese St. at that point in the game.

   96. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: September 07, 2014 at 12:28 AM (#4786992)
the BIG sucking doesn't surprise me that much, but I just can't get past how utterly shitty the QB play is in this conference the past few years. If Hackenberg is viewed to be one of the best in the league, that's really a problem. For the mark, I think MSU played pretty damn well today, and is still a top 10 team by any measure. It's EVERYBODY else in the league that really looks to be a problem right now.
   97. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 07, 2014 at 12:46 AM (#4786996)
Memphis with a pick-six to tie UCLA with 13:44 left.
   98. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: September 07, 2014 at 02:57 AM (#4787007)
I just got back from the Oregon - MSU game. It was an interesting experience. There was a stretch of the second quarter in which it felt like MSU had figured Oregon's offense out, they were never going to score again, and it was over. It was also rough to see the Ducks giving up yards on both the run and the pass at will, especially on third downs, which felt a lot like the Stanford game last year.

The stadium was a graveyard after Michigan St kicked its last field goal. But as soon as the Ducks started scoring it exploded. There was a negative old jerk sitting next to me who had to shut up.

But Tyner didn't look good. Oh boy, he did not look good. Kid is fast as lightning, but he has nothing going laterally at the moment. His TD was straight sprint and nobody could catch him.
   99. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: September 07, 2014 at 03:04 AM (#4787008)
Correction: Tyner fell over into the endzone; it was Freeman who did the dead sprint. Even more fodder. Tyner is not the back to make this offense work, I think.
   100. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: September 07, 2014 at 03:34 AM (#4787010)
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