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Thursday, August 01, 2019

OT Soccer Thread - A New Season is Upon Baldrick

Everyone enjoy the break that was about 25 minutes long?  Anyway;

August 2 - Championship begins (Luton-Middlesbrough), Eridivise begins (Zwolle-Willem II)
August 3 - Scottish Premiership, League One, League Two begin
August 4 - Community Shield (Manchester City-Liverpool)
August 6 - Carabao Cup (Portsmouth-Birmingham City), Third round qualifying Champions League first legs
August 9 - EPL begins (Liverpool-Norwich City), Ligue Une begins (Monaco-Lyon)
August 16 - Bundesliga begins (Bayern-Hertha), La Liga begins (Athletic Bilbao-Barcelona)
August 29 - Champions League group stage draw
September 5 - All manner of World Cup and Euro qualifying international break begins

BTF FANTASY SOCCER COME ONE COME ALL (the link for the post now takes you to the signup page).

League name:  BTF Soccer

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   1. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: August 01, 2019 at 06:53 PM (#5867543)
Carrying on from last thread...

So annoyed that Sane appears to be inching towards Bayern. I just really don't get it.

Pep just doesn't seem to like Sane very much. I was stunned that he was used so little in the games against Spurs in the Champions League.
   2. The Rare Albino Shrieking Goat of Guatemala. Posted: August 01, 2019 at 07:06 PM (#5867546)
The Telegraph claims Manchester City have slapped a whopping £137 million price tag on German winger Leroy Sane, amid continued interest from Bundesliga champions Bayern Munich.

Reports in Germany suggest Bayern are preparing a bid of around £73 million for the former Schalke man, but that is set to be swiftly rejected upon arrival at the Etihad Stadium.

According to senior sources at City they have neither received any formal bids for Sane, nor had any notification from the player that he wants to leave the Premier League champions. The development comes following comments from Bayern Munich manager Niko Kovac, who this week said that he was "confident" that a deal was close.


The two sides would appear to be just ever so slightly apart in their valuations of Sane ...
   3. Sean Forman Posted: August 01, 2019 at 10:07 PM (#5867591)
Sané was generally on the left side and Sterling was so damn good last year he had a hard time getting on the field. On the other side B. Silva was just as good. I feel like Mahrez was an unnecessary addition last year. He always felt like the fourth choice to me. If it was baseball, I'd be happy to trade him for Kimmich, but of course football doesn't work that way. City should try to unsettle Kimmich just for fun.
   4. Baldrick Posted: August 01, 2019 at 10:17 PM (#5867598)
There's a mistake in the title of this thread. It doesn't say 'Baldrick' anywhere. Please fix. Thanks!
   5. J. Sosa Posted: August 02, 2019 at 08:38 AM (#5867619)
PL fantasy league is set up for those that want to play. If you played last year I think it automatically enrolls you after you select your team.

League name:

BTF Soccer

Code:

my8hl1

Link:

PL Fantasy League
   6. Jose is an Absurd Time Cube Posted: August 02, 2019 at 09:05 AM (#5867625)
Fixed!

Thanks Sosa. I didn’t play last year but I meant to. I’ll jump in this year.
   7. spivey Posted: August 02, 2019 at 09:15 AM (#5867628)
Do we have concrete reporting with Sane? It seems like City want to keep him, Pep wants to keep him, and I'd seen articles that state Sane wants to stay. I can't tell how much smoke there is and how much Bayern is just trying to unsettle him/City like they do with any German they feel like they have the right to.

As for Sane, he's exceptional, but Sterling and B Silva are better, and younger. Sane had a pretty long stretch early in the year where he wasn't playing a ton and his form does seem more inconsistent than what you'd expect. You need depth, of course, but I am sure that City can go out and get another Riyad Mahrez with the money, with plenty left over. Sane also seems way better as a non-inverted winger, whereas from what I can tell Pep prefers inverted wingers with fullbacks giving the width, and Sane's ball retention seems a bit below the City standard. Minor nits, I'd love to have him at Tottenham. Though, using Tottenham as a litmus test, I don't know that I think Sane is better than Son, today.
   8. Mefisto Posted: August 02, 2019 at 09:45 AM (#5867635)
Sane would be a perfect inverted winger for United. But since they lack a midfield that would get him the ball.....
   9. jmurph Posted: August 02, 2019 at 10:11 AM (#5867641)
Pep just doesn't seem to like Sane very much. I was stunned that he was used so little in the games against Spurs in the Champions League.

Yeah others have already covered this, but the attacking talent is just ridiculous there, so it's perfectly fair he's not first choice. That said, they play a lot of damn games and there's no reason he shouldn't get more time.

I feel like Mahrez was an unnecessary addition last year. He always felt like the fourth choice to me.

Agree. I like him, he's fun to root for, but unnecessary.
   10. jmurph Posted: August 02, 2019 at 10:13 AM (#5867642)
Most of what Arsenal have done this summer seems like good business. Pepe widens their attack significantly and should have a positve impact on Lacazette and Aubameyang by giving them better service. Spreading out the payments is smart for a team with limited cash resourcs. Ceballos isn't identical to Ramsey, but he covers some of that link-up gap within their budget. If they can get Tierney, that's another talented young player.

The thing that boggles my mind is what they are doing in central defense. They played 3 at the back a lot at the end of last year because they were basically out of playable defenders. They still only have Mustafi, Sokratis, Holding (injured), and Chambers as options. United are desperate for a CB and they have multiple options who are better than anyone Arsenal has. What is the plan there?

Lose a lot of games to good teams but win 4-2 against other teams? Yeah I don't get it either. They were already really solid in the attack (somewhat quietly 3rd in goals scored last season) but they're just a mess defensively.
   11. spivey Posted: August 02, 2019 at 10:29 AM (#5867645)
Sane did play in 47 matches and had 2700 minutes last year. Now, he had like 3600 minutes the year before, so he was a sub way more. But, I dunno. He gets quite a bit of playing time on a team that is ridiculously hard to break into.
   12. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: August 02, 2019 at 11:12 AM (#5867679)
80 million pounds for the next Phil Jones...

I kid because I love!
   13. The Rare Albino Shrieking Goat of Guatemala. Posted: August 02, 2019 at 11:18 AM (#5867691)
Hey, that's 80 million pounds they don't have to spend on Toby or Christian ... you go, United!
   14. jmurph Posted: August 02, 2019 at 11:20 AM (#5867696)
80 million pounds for the next Phil Jones...

I kid because I love!

It's bonkers.
   15. jmurph Posted: August 02, 2019 at 11:41 AM (#5867718)
The Telegraph says 85 million pounds. Even better!
   16. spivey Posted: August 02, 2019 at 12:27 PM (#5867755)
Sounds like Real are going to sign Van de Beek instead of Eriksen. Which is absurd to me, but great. He strikes me as someone with huge flop potential.
   17. The Rare Albino Shrieking Goat of Guatemala. Posted: August 02, 2019 at 12:28 PM (#5867756)
I think it's 80 million up front with ~5 million in add ons, but who knows at this point how achievable those are (though I imagine they're relatively so).

It's still pretty hilaripus to me when they could have had Toby for a fraction of that price, gotten better than they will be with Maguire (for at least 2-3 years) AND weakened one of their direct competitors for Top 4.
   18. J. Sosa Posted: August 02, 2019 at 01:01 PM (#5867762)
I love transfer windows. I won’t pretend otherwise.

Sane to Bayern seems likely if my German translator is correct.

I like ol’ slab head better than most here but that’s a lot of money. Man U can afford it but the bigger concern is the fit. AWB is the best defensive fullback in the league but I am not sure how well he and Maguire fit into an attacking side if that is the plan. I think they would fit better into a Mourinho type setup.

With the Van de Beek thing it looks like Eriksen might be staying. Keep him, keep Rose, keep Toby that is a very good team.
   19. I am going to be Frank Posted: August 02, 2019 at 01:04 PM (#5867764)
Maguire is younger and Solksjaer seems to want to go younger. We'll see if that's still true if a Mandzukic transfer goes through (not a terrible plan 'B' striker if he's willing to come off the bench). Dybala has apparently said no to United so who knows what Lukaku is doing.

So United should be able to get at least 20M each for Jones and Smalling now, right? Bailly and Rojo are still also on this squad. Wow that's a lot of dead weight (yea they need some depth too). Midfield is still not good enough. I don't think they've done enough to go top four. Everton seems to be knocking on six as well.
   20. spivey Posted: August 02, 2019 at 01:12 PM (#5867769)
Leicester is absolutely knocking on top 6 too. They are definitely going to turn around and get a 30 mill centerback that's probably 90% of the player that Maguire is. Hell, they may have some extra splash money here too if they wanted to get some Vardy cover.

The top 4/6 race should be delicious. I think City probably wins the league with relative comfort, though. Liverpool couldn't beat them even going way over xPoints and being extremely healthy. City are just too good. I mean, not too good for Son Heung-Min, but for mere mortals.
   21. J. Sosa Posted: August 02, 2019 at 01:26 PM (#5867777)
Window not over yet, but I have City about 10 points better than anyone else in my head at the moment. Liverpool will not be able to sustain what they did last season. Before last season I thought Liverpool had improved by 10 points or more, but 97 was ridiculous. Window not closed yet but as of right now in my head I have Liverpool between 85-90. Some of the regression will hopefully be mitigated with a healthy Keita and Ox but a lot went right last year.
   22. The Rare Albino Shrieking Goat of Guatemala. Posted: August 02, 2019 at 01:27 PM (#5867779)
Maguire is younger and Solksjaer seems to want to go younger.


But getting younger simply to get younger just seems nearly as misguided as their previous transfer philosophy.

Younger is good, but I'd much rather have Toby for 2-3 near-peak years (even if it meant eating the last year of the contract once he declined) for $25 million AND the $60 million that wasn't spent on a CB to bring in another quality player, or multiple prospects for the future.

It can be two things!

But hey, as a Spurs fan, I'm happy to let United be United, doubly so, in this case ...
   23. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: August 02, 2019 at 01:28 PM (#5867780)
Don't most of us like the transfer window? Hell, I imagine following baseball transactions is what brought most of us to this site. Transfer windows are like the winter meetings on steroids. I get weary of Tottenham's transfer window specifically, but I enjoy watching other clubs work.

For example, DeLigt is worth roughly 4/5 a Harry Maguire!
   24. J. Sosa Posted: August 02, 2019 at 01:33 PM (#5867783)
I was hooked after the Torres/Suarez/Carroll madness.
   25. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: August 02, 2019 at 01:36 PM (#5867786)
I think from now on we should measure all transfer fees relative to Maguire’s. So DeLigt is worth about 0.8 Harrys. (Harries?)
   26. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: August 02, 2019 at 01:38 PM (#5867787)
For me it was the Van der Vaart transfer. I was all, like, the hell?
   27. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: August 02, 2019 at 01:40 PM (#5867788)
Tanguy Ndombele is 0.65 Harrys. Let's make it a scale of 100 so it's not so clunky to type--65 Harrys. Rodri is 82 Harrys.
   28. I am going to be Frank Posted: August 02, 2019 at 01:42 PM (#5867789)
But getting younger simply to get younger just seems nearly as misguided as their previous transfer philosophy.

I don't disagree. It's definitely hard in European soccer, especially the Premier League, to plan short-, medium- and long-term. United obviously have some talent shortcomings and poor resource allocation. Should they be trying to sort things through and maybe 'rebuild'? Probably - because they should be aiming for medals, not just making top four. However, not making top four, especially two seasons in a row, is really problematic.

Buying Toby, then finding a younger and potentially better CB than Maguire (and not necessarily this window) would have been my choice, but United seem to have the most limited list of targets. The biggest takeaway from my negotiations class was 'BATNA' - Best Alternative To a Negotiated Agreement. United's BATNA is to throw more money at it because they have no alternative.
   29. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: August 02, 2019 at 01:43 PM (#5867791)
Everton’s getting Moise Kean for .35-.40 Harrys. (I like the decimal points even though they’re ugly because they underscore how this or that good player went for a fraction of what United paid for Maguire.)
   30. J. Sosa Posted: August 02, 2019 at 01:53 PM (#5867796)
To be fair to United they are making signings that need to be made. It is hard to get the requisite level of player without CL. Buying domestic is more expensive but it is easier to convince the player. FWiW it makes more sense than Dybala did. I never understood that at all.

VVD was .75 Harrys.

Not fair, but it gave me a chuckle.
   31. frannyzoo Posted: August 02, 2019 at 03:36 PM (#5867823)
Newly promoted and promoted and promoted Luton Town 2, Boro 2 at the interval.

As a huge fan of the Championship (it's my single favorite league) I wonder how many of its fixtures will have fewer goals full-time this season. Answer: A Lot.

It's a damn long season...
   32. Jose is an Absurd Time Cube Posted: August 02, 2019 at 03:58 PM (#5867828)
The Moise Kean transfer is one of the most shocking things I can imagine. Juventus loaning him out would have been one thing, to sell him when he absolutely could have contributed this year is just insane to me.
   33. Sean Forman Posted: August 02, 2019 at 04:34 PM (#5867841)
If one of our legal sportsbooks had this bet listed I'd put some money (assuming long odds) on Liverpool missing the top 4. This is based on not much other than they performed at the top of end of their expectation, and front three all played major tourneys this summer and they did little to back them up. It also seems like the league is getting flatter and flatter given the money the West Hams, LC's and Evertons are throwing out there. Just feels to me that Liverpool's top 4 grasp isn't as strong as we might think. Of course Chelsea, Arsenal and Utd aren't exactly taking big steps forward.

Caley pointed out that UTD have more or less zero ball-winning in midfield now and Bruno Fernandes isn't really that player either. Maybe Fred bounces back.

He's also down on the N. Pepe signing as he doesn't fit well with their two best players, the strikers.
   34. J. Sosa Posted: August 02, 2019 at 07:19 PM (#5867877)
I think City has created an unrealistic expectation of what a top four team looks like. They legitimately have two full top four elevens. Historically that is an anomaly, even Fergie’s greatest teams which dominated the PL era didn’t have that.

Some dropoff is likely to occur for Liverpool, but the team has made top four the last few seasons and made European finals three out of the last four seasons. They are as about a good bet for top four as can be imagined in a non City world.

Depth is certainly a concern, but I am more afraid of a VVD injury. Ox was out all of last year and Keita was hurt, adding them should help overall depth.

As far as front three depth goes, a lot may come down to Brewster. He has been told that he is a part of the squad. It is always tough to gauge academy products, but as a frame of reference BMG’s scouts viewed him as good enough for the rotation at age 18 and he is viewed as a much better prospect than TAA was.

He would have featured last season if not for an injury. His development was slowed by the injury, but he was viewed as a Sancho level prospect. He might flame out, but Klopp believes in him and has made promises.
   35. J. Sosa Posted: August 02, 2019 at 11:08 PM (#5867920)
Coutinho is allegedly headed to a PL team on loan.

Uh...

Edit to add: I can only think of three reasonable candidates.
   36. The Rare Albino Shrieking Goat of Guatemala. Posted: August 03, 2019 at 08:20 PM (#5868068)
The exodus of top stars looks set to continue at Ajax, with Real Madrid close to completing the signing of midfielder Donny van de Beek, according to Marca.

Van de Beek, who scored for Ajax in their 1-1 Eredivisie draw with Vitesse Arnhem on Saturday, has already reached an agreement with Los Blancos, according to the report, and all that's left to do is for Ajax to approve the move to Zinedine Zidane's side.

It's thought that an offer between €60 million and €70 million would be enough to persuade the Dutch club to let Van de Beek follow Frenkie de Jong and Matthijs De Ligt out the door for last season's Champions League semifinalists.


ESPNFC

That's both a lot of talent headed out and a lot of money headed in for Ajax in this window.

It'll be interesting how quickly they can reload.
   37. Baldrick Posted: August 03, 2019 at 08:21 PM (#5868069)
Sam Kerr scores another. She now has more goals than two teams in the league. And she left for over a month to go to the World Cup!
   38. J. Sosa Posted: August 04, 2019 at 01:30 AM (#5868156)
Entertaining match between Dortmund and Bayern. Kimmich should have gotten a red. Exceptionally dirty play. Not the first time I have seen something like that from him.
   39. I am going to be Frank Posted: August 04, 2019 at 11:09 AM (#5868167)
City look significantly more advanced in their preseason preparation.
   40. I am going to be Frank Posted: August 04, 2019 at 11:39 AM (#5868169)
Words eaten... but Liverpool have turned it up a lot in the second half.
   41. Sean Forman Posted: August 04, 2019 at 02:33 PM (#5868183)
I didn't get to watch much of the match, but having KdB back will be really nice. He was near poty two years ago and a near non-entity last year. Should help a lot.

I'm starting to think that the Statsbomb guys were right that City could make top 4 playing 10v11 all season.
   42. manchestermets Posted: August 04, 2019 at 03:10 PM (#5868190)
If one of our legal sportsbooks had this bet listed I'd put some money (assuming long odds) on Liverpool missing the top 4.


Are you able to use the Betfair exchange? You could lay Liverpool in this market for odds of 11/1.
   43. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: August 05, 2019 at 07:45 AM (#5868298)
Bournemouth is telling teams (supposedly including Liverpool) that they want more than a full 1.0 Harrys for Nathan Ake.
   44. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: August 05, 2019 at 09:54 AM (#5868323)
Hmm. Is Ake better than Maguire? That would be an interesting debate. Ake is quicker and better on the ball, I think, but Maguire is stronger and better in the air. Anyway, at that price, Ake ain't going anywhere this window.
   45. jmurph Posted: August 05, 2019 at 10:06 AM (#5868325)
Ake qualifies for homegrown status, hence the markup.
   46. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: August 05, 2019 at 10:09 AM (#5868326)
Ake's also younger, though whether that's a feature or a bug probably varies depending who you ask.
   47. The Rare Albino Shrieking Goat of Guatemala. Posted: August 05, 2019 at 10:20 AM (#5868330)
Spurs updates with 4 days to go:

Dele Alli has another hammy injury. Mild but will likely miss the first couple of matches.

Juan Foyth, potentially Spurs starting RB picked up a pretty serious ankle injury against Bayern and is out for a likely extended period, leaving KWP and Derp Aurier (currently in the process of regaining fitness after a knock suffered in the African Cup of Nations) as Spurs' options at RB. Supposedly Spurs are sniffing around Napoli's RB Elsied Hysaj.

Spurs have upped their bid for Sessegnon to 30 million plus Josh Onomah.

Reports are that Betis, having sold a couple of players this window, don't feel any under pressure to sell Lo Celso for less than their valuation and have told Daniel Levy to go pound sand.

And Fernandes? Well, I'll just let CFC sum it up:

This is a lot to take in, but the summary comes down to this:

Fernandes has brought in a super agent to help facilitate a deal.
Spurs link to Fernandes is genuine, but Levy is playing games with another lowball bid of £41m due to a clause that bumps Fernandes’ compensation if it’s rejected.
Manchester United have pulled out of the bidding, according to the BBC.
Real Madrid have entered the fray.
Expect Fernandes to be a part of the final days of chaos in some way since nobody is denying this.



Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
   48. Mefisto Posted: August 05, 2019 at 10:43 AM (#5868335)
To supplement 47, here's Statsbomb on Fernandes: https://twitter.com/StatsBomb/status/1157635012294008834

"He's not shy about passing aggressively. Here he is spraying the ball forward, often unsuccessfully, from just inside his own half."

Maybe this was how he was asked to play, but it's hard to see Spurs wanting that player. It's easy to see United wanting him -- their management isn't very smart -- but hard to see him improving the team.
   49. The Rare Albino Shrieking Goat of Guatemala. Posted: August 05, 2019 at 10:57 AM (#5868345)
Between Lo Celso and Bruno, I'm rather heavily in favor of the former.

If the Sessegnon offer is turned down, I'm fine with putting that on hold until December and then potentially revisiting it at a lesser price (obviously this is taking some risk) (side question, at his age, can Spurs sign Sessegnon on a pre-contract in January?)
   50. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: August 05, 2019 at 10:58 AM (#5868346)
I only expect Sessegnon to come if for Spurs at this point. RB is a mess but it's too late to do anything about it. Ndombele looks the real deal, at least. A 4-3-3 with Nodombele, Winks and Sissoko ain't no joke. A destroyer, a ball winner and, hopefully, a regista.
   51. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: August 05, 2019 at 10:59 AM (#5868347)
(side question, at his age, can Spurs sign Sessegnon on a pre-contract in January?)

No. Only a foreign team could.
   52. The Rare Albino Shrieking Goat of Guatemala. Posted: August 05, 2019 at 11:10 AM (#5868355)
Ah, so it's a January transfer or wait until he goes out of contract in the summer.

As I stated, it's a risk, but come December, if a) Sessgnon hasn't signed a new contract, b) has made it clear he won't sign a new contract and c)(this might be the most important bit) Fulham are scuffling in their promotion bid, Levy likely gets the transfer on something much closer to his terms. At this point, I'm not sure that isn't the best option.

*Because promotion to the PL + whatever they would get from the tribunal would be >>> than the transfer fee they could get for him at that point, but no promotion + tribunal < a transfer fee from Spurs.
   53. spivey Posted: August 05, 2019 at 11:22 AM (#5868367)
I'm also coming around to the idea that this is pretty much the squad for Tottenham. Maybe we get the Sessegnon(s).

It's annoying to be a fan of a club that's being way more frugal than they need to be, or should be.

Now, I'm not sure that Lo Celso is worth 75 million Euros, and it sounds like Betis just may not have moved off that. Fernandes is only worthwhile if you can get him cheap, imo. But there were other options, and I'm also worried - both about late sales as well as just next year's team - that 3 of our best players seem to be considering just running down their contract.
   54. spivey Posted: August 05, 2019 at 11:26 AM (#5868370)
I only expect Sessegnon to come if for Spurs at this point. RB is a mess but it's too late to do anything about it. Ndombele looks the real deal, at least. A 4-3-3 with Nodombele, Winks and Sissoko ain't no joke. A destroyer, a ball winner and, hopefully, a regista.


That probably does make the team more balanced, but it's also taking a couple of our best players off the field. DESK should all be starting when fit, and Moura has been excellent.

I'm sure this is going to jinx it, but Lamela is looking solid and I wouldn't be against him getting some rotation as an 8, if we're gonna do the 4-3-3 thing.

This isn't going to happen, and Poch is smarter than me, so maybe I should stop having opinions on how the team is lined up, but with Aurier and Foyth hurt, I'd be pretty tempted to just slide Sissoko back there. We'll get less crosses in, but with a healthy Winks and Ndombele, my hope is that we're playing through the middle a bit more anyways.
   55. The Rare Albino Shrieking Goat of Guatemala. Posted: August 05, 2019 at 11:29 AM (#5868374)
3 of our best players seem to be considering just running down their contract.


3?

Toby, Eriksen and ?

Rose is signed through 2020-2021 season.
   56. spivey Posted: August 05, 2019 at 11:32 AM (#5868379)
I maybe made a rash assumption about Rose, but with the rumors swirling around with him I thought he was in the last year of his contract as well.
   57. The Rare Albino Shrieking Goat of Guatemala. Posted: August 05, 2019 at 11:34 AM (#5868380)
But yeah, your general point is ... well, on point. I can see Spurs agreeing to sell either or both of Eriksen or Toby before or in the January window, just to get something before they hit free agency in the summer ... and wouldn't that be a pretty pickle. Sanchez is ... good, but he's not Toby and who the Hell knows who replaces Eriksen, especially if Lo Celso doesn't come in this window ...
   58. J. Sosa Posted: August 05, 2019 at 01:02 PM (#5868429)
Re: Lo Celso

75 is a little high, but not by a ton. Not by enough to justify walking away I don’t think.

Re: Mignolet

So long Seemoan. Adrian isn’t great but is probably a better fit. And much cheaper. I am starting to wonder exactly how much it took to extend the key players. A lot I had always assumed, but Liverpool is doing a lot of pinching pennies around the edges. The math doesn’t add up. The thinking is that they are working on an expensive signing for next summer. I think it is likely one or more of the front three move on after this season.

Shield:

Frustrating match. Typical Atkinson for starters, and the goal line clearance thing is getting a little old against City. Team clearly is not fit yet but didn’t look terrible. Mane was a big miss. I remain perplexed that they still have exactly one left sided attacker. No, Origi doesn’t count. Also still zero left back cover.

Admittedly I was very wrong the whole season Milner played at full back, but that was a couple years ago. There is a meme floating around with Milner listed as the primary backup at every position. Not far from the truth.
   59. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: August 05, 2019 at 01:41 PM (#5868439)
edit: misread the table, which was formatted strangely.

Opening points totals for EPL teams had City as +7 to +9 on Liverpool. It's about +6 now, which seems a little low.
   60. J. Sosa Posted: August 05, 2019 at 01:45 PM (#5868442)
That’s low.
   61. J. Sosa Posted: August 05, 2019 at 01:50 PM (#5868445)
I dunno man. The one weak point I thought City had last season was DM depth and they got Rodri. Aguero and Silva the Elder are getting creaky. And I guess if Sane leaves. Pep is still throwing tens of millions at fullbacks.

I dunno man. Like I said, I had it at around 10 but I am not a gambler.
   62. spivey Posted: August 05, 2019 at 01:53 PM (#5868446)
Understat gave City 7.19 xPoints more than Liverpool last year. City have way more depth though, as that was done almost entirely without arguably their best player in KDB. Liverpool could really struggle to score if Mane or Salah missed serious time.
   63. J. Sosa Posted: August 05, 2019 at 02:03 PM (#5868450)
Yeah, City is a behemoth, a legit upper nineties level team.

I have made peace with it, they aren’t catching City as long as Pep is there. The financial gap is too great. One of the many reasons I was glad Liverpool won the CL. Klopp will rightfully be placed alongside Shankly and the rest. The league isn’t going to happen.
   64. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: August 05, 2019 at 02:08 PM (#5868454)
Understat gave City 7.19 xPoints more than Liverpool last year. City have way more depth though, as that was done almost entirely without arguably their best player in KDB. Liverpool could really struggle to score if Mane or Salah missed serious time.


If you regress penalty attempts the gap is even a little bigger, since Liverpool was +6 on attempts (fairly high even for a top of the table team) and City was flat (very low for a top of the table team).
   65. spivey Posted: August 05, 2019 at 02:19 PM (#5868462)
If you regress penalty attempts the gap is even a little bigger, since Liverpool was +6 on attempts (fairly high even for a top of the table team) and City was flat (very low for a top of the table team).


Yeah, I feel like I saw something, on statsbomb or elsewhere, that suggested that Liverpool were closer to the rest of the pack than City, really. I don't think losing Sane or David Silva getting old is really that big of a deal for them. Sane's better than Mahrez but not by a ton, and they have plenty of quality in midfield. I actually don't know that I'd even have David Silva in my starting 11 for City at this point.
   66. J. Sosa Posted: August 05, 2019 at 02:26 PM (#5868464)
It puzzles me. There are demonstrably good reasons to think Liverpool will drop off by 10 points or more (just not 25 or more which is why I think non top four is a long shot). I really struggle to find reasons City might be projected to drop off. If anything I think they might be a little better.
   67. Mefisto Posted: August 05, 2019 at 02:34 PM (#5868470)
Cancelo to City for Danilo appears to be a deal.
   68. J. Sosa Posted: August 05, 2019 at 02:39 PM (#5868472)
Yeah, that’s right Pep, get back in the box and keep swinging!!!

Someday he might actually get one he likes. One of the tiny little things that amuses me the most about the sport is Pep’s struggles purchasing fullbacks at City with a blank check.

After converting Lahm into a midfielder. I bust a gut every time I think about it.
   69. jmurph Posted: August 05, 2019 at 02:50 PM (#5868475)
Yeah, that’s right Pep, get back in the box and keep swinging!!!

Someday he might actually get one he likes. One of the tiny little things that amuses me the most about the sport is Pep’s struggles purchasing fullbacks at City with a blank check.

Kyle Walker starts every match when healthy, Mendy started great and then got hurt. Zinchenko was practically free and looks good. The CB situation has been much funnier.

Now I never quite understood why Danilo was signed at the same time as the other two, there's that!
   70. jmurph Posted: August 05, 2019 at 03:04 PM (#5868480)
Zaha seems to be heading to Everton afterall?
   71. Sean Forman Posted: August 05, 2019 at 03:11 PM (#5868481)
Cancelo seems like a great player, but I don't quite see how he fits into the team unless he or Walker are going to play in the left. Or is Walker now the fastest CB ever? They just re-signed Walker thru 2024 this summer.
   72. J. Sosa Posted: August 05, 2019 at 04:04 PM (#5868494)
Fernandinho has been told he will see time at CB.

Pep does this sort of thing after a few years. I think he gets bored or something.

JMurph, I love ya, but you do realize you mentioned four fullbacks in your post right? And omitted the new one! It wasn’t like City had terrible personnel to start with. 5 new ones.

Our boy has only been managing City for three seasons. Five in three years.

The center back thing is also fun, but it lacks the Lahm punchline.
   73. The Rare Albino Shrieking Goat of Guatemala. Posted: August 05, 2019 at 04:30 PM (#5868503)
Right now I'm giving Tottenham's window a C+, even if they don't bring Sessegnon and/or Lo Celso/Fernandes on board.

But, boy, oh boy, it could drop to a D or lower if the current incoming stand as all they acquire and they get raided after the PL window shuts.


Tottenham Hotspur are braced for European clubs making cut-price bids for Christian Eriksen if he is not sold before the English transfer window shuts on Thursday.

Although Premier League clubs cannot sign players after 5pm on Thursday, the transfer windows in Italy, Spain, Germany and France do not shut until September 2, more than three weeks later.

Tottenham are working hard to try to sign at least one of Bruno Fernandes or Giovani Lo Celso before Thursday, despite Eriksen still being at the club.

That gives the likes of Juventus, Real Madrid and Atletico Madrid, who have all shown an interest in Eriksen, the chance to try to drive the midfielder’s price down after Thursday’s English window has shut. Inter Milan are also monitoring the situation.

Spurs chairman Daniel Levy had valued Eriksen at £130million when English clubs made enquiries at the end of last season, but European clubs may try to snap up the Dane for under £50m.


Telegraph

Methinks Daniel Levy is going to have to leverage all of his evil super-genius powers to keep Spurs season from getting wrecked before it really gets underway.

@spivey -Here's our 3rd (though I think he's the most likely of the 3 to sign an extension) ... Jan Vertonhgen. Losing both JannyVerts and Toby within the span of a year would be a hammer blow.

   74. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: August 05, 2019 at 05:33 PM (#5868532)
Why does the price go down after the window closes for a team that still needs a player? You would think if the player can no longer be replaced until the next window, his value to the team would go up and thus so would his asking price.

Of course, this doesn't factor in that the player might also put more pressure on his current team in one way or another.

   75. spivey Posted: August 05, 2019 at 05:54 PM (#5868539)
Tottenham made 130 million pounds last year. I know nobody here is saying this, but they aren't gonna go bankrupt by letting Eriksen leave on a Bosman. Unless they already have a replacement like Lo Celso in, selling Eriksen for something ridiculous like 40 million pounds is stupid. What's that get you these days? A fringe starter?
   76. The Rare Albino Shrieking Goat of Guatemala. Posted: August 05, 2019 at 05:55 PM (#5868540)
#74

Because Toby and Eriksen are out of contract next summer and can leave for free on a Bosman at that time, leaving Spurs with no compensation.

As of 1/1/2020 any player out of contract at the end of the season can negotiate a "pre-contract" with another team, as long as that team is from another FA.

If Toby and Jan and Christian don't sign extensions (assuming they aren't traded), Spurs have from today until 12/31/2019 to work out a transfer (potentially, depending on whether the player prefers to wait out the season and go onto the market as a free agent, I guess technically it would be the end of the January window) and their leverage drops by the day.
   77. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: August 05, 2019 at 06:01 PM (#5868542)

If Toby and Jan and Christian don't sign extensions (assuming they aren't traded), Spurs have from today until 12/31/2019 to work out a transfer and their leverage drops by the day.

In that case, it sounds like Spurs leverage has been dropping all summer already, and will simply continue dropping. Why the bright line at the end of this transfer window?
   78. Mefisto Posted: August 05, 2019 at 08:03 PM (#5868574)
LOL. The Mail (yes, yes) now reports that United have bid for Eriksen.
   79. The Rare Albino Shrieking Goat of Guatemala. Posted: August 05, 2019 at 08:10 PM (#5868579)
On Monday, we brought you news that suggested that Everton were preparing to meet Crystal Palace's £65m valuation of Wilfried Zaha, but that story has since been advanced. The Sun reports that Palace's valuation is actually a staggering £120m, but the Toffees feel they can meet it by offering £65 in cash plus striker Cenk Tosun and midfielder James McCarthy.


ESPNFC

That's a double LOL

Regarding Eriksen and United (also from ESPNFC)

According to AS, Man United are beginning to plan for life without Pogba -- and Real Madrid are creating contingencies should they fail to bring him to the Bernabeu. And that's where Christian Eriksen comes in.

The Madrid-based outlet writes that United have offered the 27-year-old a five-year contract that would see him earn wages on par with what Pogba is making at Old Trafford. And he's intrigued by the offer.

But his priority remains Madrid. And if Los Blancos are unable to meet United's asking price for Pogba, they could sign Eriksen and Ajax maestro Donny van de Beek for less money than it would take to secure Pogba.
   80. I am going to be Frank Posted: August 06, 2019 at 08:56 AM (#5868665)
The rumor seem extra ridiculous as the window comes closer to a close. These many teams procrastinating seem unlikely - it's one thing for the buying teams, but the selling teams can't reinvest the money so late.
   81. spivey Posted: August 06, 2019 at 09:03 AM (#5868667)
The rumor seem extra ridiculous as the window comes closer to a close. These many teams procrastinating seem unlikely - it's one thing for the buying teams, but the selling teams can't reinvest the money so late.


That is many Tottenham fans' worry. Though Lo Celso seems like he has terms agreed, if a fee would be agreed.

This is also probably Man U's worry as well with Pogba, but they're so rich they can probably throw enough money at things to grease some of the wheels.
   82. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: August 06, 2019 at 09:16 AM (#5868672)
I like that Everton think Tosun and McCarthy make up 55 million in value. I'm pretty sure those guys have negative value right now to a team like Palace because of their wages.

I'd say this was a crazy window for Tottenham but this is same 'ol, same 'ol really. I can't stress enough that we shouldn't forget they signed Ndombele with relatively little fuss. That keeps this window from being a failure even if it ends up slightly disappointing. Every window the media has the Spurs spending buckets of cash and every window it doesn't happen. I, like the computer at the end of War Games, have finally learned how this works...
   83. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: August 06, 2019 at 09:28 AM (#5868676)
Looks like Coutinho is going to Arsenal on a loan with no option to buy. Arsenal are going to make it difficult for themselves next season with Ceballos and Coutinho loans ending, but if it gets them top 4 this year they won't be complaining.
   84. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: August 06, 2019 at 09:30 AM (#5868677)
Wayne Rooney is leaving DC United to become player/coach at Derby. The rumor is that the "coach" part of that is so his wages won't cost against FFP regulations.
   85. I am going to be Frank Posted: August 06, 2019 at 09:47 AM (#5868681)
After living through a DC July it makes sense him not wanting to spend a whole August there.
   86. Mefisto Posted: August 06, 2019 at 09:50 AM (#5868684)
Arsenal fans should love Coutinho the way they loved Ozil.
   87. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: August 06, 2019 at 09:52 AM (#5868689)
Coutinho is really good, though. Arsenal are still awfully lightweight at CM and at CB, though.
   88. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: August 06, 2019 at 09:58 AM (#5868693)
I may have jumped the gun on Coutinho. L'Equipe says Arsenal but Julien Laurens says nope. Those are both good sources so who the hell knows now? It's interesting to note that Coutinho played for Pochettino at Espanyol...
   89. spivey Posted: August 06, 2019 at 09:58 AM (#5868694)
Zidane seems a bit like Poch or Pep in that if he doesn't rate you, it's hard to change his mind. I think it's likely that Ceballos, if Zidane is still there in a year, is loaned again or sold.
   90. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: August 06, 2019 at 10:01 AM (#5868697)
If Zidane is still around! This is Real Madrid we're talking about. Zidane might be gone before they start handing out those little sculptures of Eden Hazard taking a poo.

Speaking of Hazard, evidently he showed up to camp 7 kilos overweight. How did he gain 7 kilos from the Europa League final to the start of camp? That's a lot of beer, waffles and chocolate!
   91. spivey Posted: August 06, 2019 at 10:14 AM (#5868701)
Hazard was probably the best player in the EPL last year for me, but the whole thing went about as perfectly as it could have for Chelsea. Despite grumblings for years that he wanted to go to Real, they got pretty much all his best years, and still got near full value with a year left on his deal. I guess a big part of why it worked out is Real view him as more indispensable to their plan than someone like Eriksen. Which is fair, he is better.

I'm interested to see what Real look like this year. They have talent, like always, but don't seem to have a very cohesive team.
   92. Mefisto Posted: August 06, 2019 at 11:41 AM (#5868726)
ESPN now saying Barca have offered Coutinho to both United and Spurs, with Spurs being the more likely.

ETA: The last few days of the transfer window are hilarious.
   93. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: August 06, 2019 at 11:47 AM (#5868729)
Coutinho to Spurs is not going to happen. It's too late for a transfer this complicated. Agents will have their hands out, lawyers will be haggling over image rights with the clubs and the sports apparel companies...naw. I remain very skeptical. I guess Lo Celso or Fernandes are still possible if you believe all the personal details have been agreed already, but it's too late to try to sort things out with Coutinho. I will gladly eat my words if Levy pulls off something big, though.
   94. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: August 06, 2019 at 11:50 AM (#5868731)
The Athletic, taking the UK by ############# storm!

Adam Crafton and Jack Lang – Features
David Ornstein – News/Video/Transfers
Danny Taylor, Jack-Pitt Brooke, and Oliver Kay – Premier League
Raphael Honigstein – Bundesliga
Michael Cox – Tactics
Dom Fifield, Stuart James, and George Caulkin – Staff Writers
Kieran Theivam – Women’s soccer
James McNicholas and Amy Lawrence – Arsenal
Gregg Evans – Aston Villa
Peter Rutzler – AFC Bournemouth
Andy Naylor – Brighton and Hove Albion
Andy Jones – Burnley
Liam Twomey – Chelsea
Matt Woosnam – Crystal Palace
Patrick Boyland and Greg O’Keeffe – Everton
Rob Tanner – Leicester City
James Pearce and Simon Hughes – Liverpool
Sam Lee – Manchester City
Andy Mitten and Laurie Whitwell – Manchester United
Chris Waugh – Newcastle United
Michael Bailey – Norwich City
Richard Sutcliffe – Sheffield United
Carl Anka – Southampton
Charlie Eccleshare – Tottenham Hotspur
Adam Leventhal – Watford
Roshane Thomas – West Ham United
Tim Spiers – Wolverhampton Wanderers
Ryan Conway – Derby County
Phil Hay – Leeds United
Paul Taylor – Nottingham Forest
Nancy Frostick – Sheffield Wednesday
Steve Madeley – West Bromwich Albion
Kieran Devlin – Celtic
Jordan Campbell – Rangers
   95. The Rare Albino Shrieking Goat of Guatemala. Posted: August 06, 2019 at 12:16 PM (#5868762)
Looks like a subscription to the US site gets you all the content on the UK side as well.

Has anyone bit the bullet yet? How is the content?
   96. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: August 06, 2019 at 12:29 PM (#5868770)
I subscribe. It's easily the best sports site going. It puts ESPN to shame. The only thing it needs now is a partnership with the baseballreference folks to supply it with easily accessible stats. I have no idea how they stay in business but that's a problem for another day, I guess.
   97. jmurph Posted: August 06, 2019 at 12:41 PM (#5868778)
Looks like a subscription to the US site gets you all the content on the UK side as well.

Has anyone bit the bullet yet? How is the content?

This is the thing that finally made me do it (there's a 50% off sale right now, so $29.99 for the first year). They have a ton of NBA coverage, too, which almost got me to jump in previously.
   98. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: August 06, 2019 at 12:47 PM (#5868781)
A couple of reputable Spurs twitterers claim Spurs have made a loan offer for Coutinho. I don't think he and Harry Winks should be on the same team, though.
   99. Sean Forman Posted: August 06, 2019 at 12:52 PM (#5868784)
The only thing it needs now is a partnership with the baseballreference folks to supply it with easily accessible stats.


They are welcome to use our linker. :)
   100. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: August 06, 2019 at 12:58 PM (#5868793)
Then they should goddammit! They're spending so much money, they should hire a team just for that. It would be very useful.
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