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Tuesday, July 31, 2018

OT: Soccer Thread (2018-19 season begins!)

Let’s get it on!

August 3 - English Championship (Reading v Derby)
August 4 - Scottish Premier League, League One (ENG), League Two (ENG)
August 10 - English Premier League (Manchester United v Leicester City), Eredivisie, Primeira Liga
August 11 - Ligue 1
August 17 - La Liga
August 18 - Serie A
August 24 - Bundesliga (Bayern v Hoffenheim)
August 28 - UEFA Champions League Playoff Round
September 6 - UEFA Nations League

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EFL - ESPN+
La Liga - BeIN
Bundesliga - Fox
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   501. Count Vorror Rairol Mencoon (CoB) Posted: August 29, 2018 at 04:18 PM (#5735748)
flop
   502. Count Vorror Rairol Mencoon (CoB) Posted: August 29, 2018 at 04:23 PM (#5735752)
Don't know if there's anyway to watch it, but I'll be hoping:


Son Heung-min’s chances of avoiding compulsory military service increased after South Korea beat Vietnam to advance to the final of the Asian Games football tournament in Indonesia.

Under South Korean law all men have to carry out 21 months of military service before the age of 28 and the Tottenham forward, who turned 26 last month, had been running out of time. However, an Olympic medal earns sportsmen an exemption, as does winning gold at the Asian Games.
   503. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: August 29, 2018 at 04:24 PM (#5735755)
Disaster for RB Salzburg. Back to back goals for Belgrade and it's now 2-2 in aggregate, with Salzburg needing a goal to advance.
   504. vortex of dissipation Posted: August 29, 2018 at 04:52 PM (#5735780)
Son Heung-min’s chances of avoiding compulsory military service increased after South Korea beat Vietnam to advance to the final of the Asian Games football tournament in Indonesia.

Under South Korean law all men have to carry out 21 months of military service before the age of 28 and the Tottenham forward, who turned 26 last month, had been running out of time. However, an Olympic medal earns sportsmen an exemption, as does winning gold at the Asian Games.


Not that I like their music, but I think it's interesting that Korean politicians are looking at giving the members of boy band BTS an exemption. I'm sure they can do more for Korea's image abroad by performing than they can as rank-and-file soldiers...
   505. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: August 29, 2018 at 05:14 PM (#5735796)
Valencia squeaked in to Pot 3 with that win by Belgrade. Valencia is still probably the second best team after Liverpool in Pot 3, but well behind Liverpool.

Teams to avoid in the draw: Liverpool, Inter
To a lesser extent, any from the top 5 leagues.

Teams to draw: Lokomotiv
To a lesser extent, any not from the top 5 leagues. Probably Atletico since Pot 1 is otherwise so good.

Red Star Belgrade and Viktoria Pizen should pose absolutely zero threat to their groups. All the other teams at least have a pulse.


   506. spivey Posted: August 29, 2018 at 10:49 PM (#5736047)
I’d really like to see Tottenham draw PSG or Bayern and maybe Valencia or Inter too. It’s fun to play famous European sides. You have to play well to advance far anyways, may as well deal with that in group stages. Plus it’s fun for the fans.
   507. Sean Forman Posted: August 29, 2018 at 10:52 PM (#5736052)
My daughter has decided to play soccer this fall. This will be her first year, will be in u10 and given a call for coaches, I stepped forward. And now I'm terrified. I've never even watched youth soccer (other than my one season 36 years ago). I think they play 9-a-side. It's intramural, non-travel, so I think it will be pretty low stress. But keeping 12 u10 girls interested for 45 minutes at practice and have something resembling a vague idea during games has me very concerned. I think most of the girls will have played already, so I'm sure it will be fine. Anyways that's where I'm at.
   508. Sean Forman Posted: August 29, 2018 at 10:54 PM (#5736053)
Atalanta-Roma on Monday was excellent fuel for my quest to get into Serie A. Some ridiculous goals, bad defense, a (relatively) dramatic comeback, it had it all! Atalanta is fun- someone on a previous page tipped them as a good team to follow and they were right.


From what I've gathered, Betis is the la liga equivalent.
   509. Mefisto Posted: August 29, 2018 at 11:06 PM (#5736057)
Feel free to check in here for suggestions. My best one is just to stay positive and encouraging no matter what.
   510. Sean Forman Posted: August 29, 2018 at 11:16 PM (#5736062)
Feel free to check in here for suggestions. My best one is just to stay positive and encouraging no matter what.


That's my main plan. I'll save the yelling for the referees. :P
   511. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: August 29, 2018 at 11:30 PM (#5736071)
Sean - I’ve never coached soccer but I’ve beem coaching baseball for 8 years. A couple of thoughts that may cross overn

1 - keep it moving. The more drills you can do in small groups with the players constantly doing something and getting lots of touches can keep people motivated and engaged.

2 - “listen” to the kids. I put listen in quotes because you should figure out quickly just from their actions what drills they like and what they don’t. There will be some basic stuff they have to do but file the fun stuff away.

3 - the kids I coach are sponges. They love to learn. I have no kids of my own so this was a bit of an eye opener for me. The kids love to understand the whys of what they are doing.

4 - use the pros to demonstrate stuff. I have a file of photos on my phone labeled “Braves” (I coach the Braves) that I break out regularly. It can be as simple as Pedroia getting into a ready position or where the catcher sets up in relation to the hitter. The kids seem to really respond to this stuff,

5 - a bit of competition is good. My guys are a bit older (10-12) but they enjoy having some competition. Whether it’s timing them running down the line or a double play drill where they team up as 2B and SS and get eliminated the kids are always chirping and laughing.

6 - have fun. If you are enjoying yourself the kids will feed off that. I’m a big believer in constant positive feedback. “Make the next one” is the refrain after an error.

I don’t know if that helps or not. I’ll say that coaching baseball has been the best thing I’ve ever done. Enjoy it.
   512. J. Sosa Posted: August 30, 2018 at 08:45 AM (#5736132)
Re: U 10

Just make sure they all have fun and use the ball in practice. I was just a dad and no coaching guru but it always used to shock me how many parents were grateful and thanked me for not being an ass. Also the kids are wonderful, but it was depressing how many of them seemingly had zero positive reinforcement in their lives.

Sad, but gratifying to make a small difference. As for any fears of lack of tactical nous by you on the touchline, I once had a U 10 fullback thoughtfully bring me a dandelion they had plucked while the ball was live.

Re: CL draw

For those interested BR live claims to be showing the draw for free. I have never used it, but I guess I will give it a shot. I will refrain from old man rants for the time being. But if it doesn’t work, no promises.
   513. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: August 30, 2018 at 08:46 AM (#5736133)
Happy Draw Day! May your first ping pong ball be a Lokomotiv ping pong ball. 3rd year in a row for this. First year Spurs got a cupcake drew and pooped their pants, last year they get the Group of Death and win the group so I'm not sure what to hope for this year. Still can't quite believe this is the 3rd year in a row. Harry Redknapp told us it was impossible!

1 - keep it moving. The more drills you can do in small groups with the players constantly doing something and getting lots of touches can keep people motivated and engaged.

I wish you'd been my LL coach. LL practice for me was mostly just standing around the outfield shagging balls from someone else's batting practice and, in Salinas California, this meant also freezing your ass off. Hated practice so, so much.
   514. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: August 30, 2018 at 08:58 AM (#5736135)
LL practice for me was mostly just standing around the outfield shagging balls from someone else's batting practice and, in Salinas California, this meant also freezing your ass off. Hated practice so, so much.


Ugh. I see that and it drives me nuts. Yeah there are times where you have to be in the outfield to practice game situations but you should keep it moving as much as possible. As Sosa says simply not being a dick goes a long way.

Just to give you an idea of the little things that can matter. Any time we are losing in the last inning I flip my cap inside out to rally cap position. It never fails to get the kids fired up and the parents get amused too. Silly little thing but I can't tell you how many kids and parents I see years later who mention it.
   515. J. Sosa Posted: August 30, 2018 at 09:11 AM (#5736140)
Re: CL draw day

It is almost shameful how much I enjoy these things with Liverpool in them. I am not sure what I love most about it, the whole scene is preposterous. The punch bowls. The music. The guest drawer. Oscars style dress. Stereotypical team delegations (the Italians, Germans, and English always slay me). The patina of corruption. Like a giant March Madness bracket reveal presented by cosa nostra.

All of it. I love all of it.
   516. spivey Posted: August 30, 2018 at 09:23 AM (#5736150)
I'm pretty excited for the draw.

Pot 1 seems way stronger than normal. Outside of Lokomotiv, the rest of the teams are very possibly the 7 best teams in the world.

I'm excited Ajax is back in the CL too.
   517. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: August 30, 2018 at 09:29 AM (#5736155)
If they ever combine the CL Draw with that Euro Pop competition insanity I think the world would literally be knocked off its axis. This must be an especially exciting day for the fans who travel with the teams to these games. Their holiday plans for the next year are about to be determined. In that sense, what would be the worst draw? For London based Spurs fans, and with the forewarning that I've only been to Europe a small handful of times, I'd say this is the worst draw:

Lokomotiv (long trip, sour Anglo-Russian relations)
Schalke (I don't know much about Gelsenkirchen except that I've never heard a person say "We can't wait for our vacation to Gelsenkirchen!" I'm sure it's a lovely place, though)
Red Star (Those Serbians seem crazy to me. I don't want to go to a place where I'd fear mobs of people that look like Newcastle fans except angry and war-hardened)


   518. jmurph Posted: August 30, 2018 at 09:35 AM (#5736158)
Do you guys know if the schedule also comes out today with the draw, or does that take a few days to be unearthed?
   519. J. Sosa Posted: August 30, 2018 at 10:27 AM (#5736201)
The travel angle is always interesting to me. I am not sure what the closest analog would be in American sports? Probably college football. Bowl destinations and out of conference road trips.

I haven’t been to that many places in Europe. I would find a lot of the destinations exciting. There are actually only a few places I wouldn’t be excited to go. But yeah Lokomotiv, Shaktar, Red Star. That’s a no for me dog.

But what do I know. My brother in law looks and talks like Ivan Drago and he and his relatives are lovely people. And I once more or less took a trip to East St Louis to visit Cahokia which I had a good time on. Cardinals, BBQ, Cahokia. Didn’t suck. I don’t need much of an excuse to enjoy being off work.
   520. jmurph Posted: August 30, 2018 at 10:34 AM (#5736214)
What's this third UEFA competition talk? I'm obviously not watching...

EDIT: For teams that fail to get out of qualifying, is the speculation. Interesting.
   521. Fernigal McGunnigle Posted: August 30, 2018 at 10:37 AM (#5736218)
The travel angle is always interesting to me. I am not sure what the closest analog would be in American sports? Probably college football. Bowl destinations and out of conference road trips.
I know a guy who travels to all of NC State's football games. This means he intentionally spends a weekend in Syracuse every other year, and a couple of years ago went to Shreveport for Christmas. (EDIT: Oh yeah, and New Year's in El Paso last year.) People are weird.
   522. J. Sosa Posted: August 30, 2018 at 10:49 AM (#5736225)
Yeah, I am like that myself. People have told me “why the hell do you want to go there” a lot. For me personally I enjoy the randomness of it. Somewhere I would likely never have gone, research it, find things to do. Parts of the country I have never been to, etc.
   523. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: August 30, 2018 at 10:56 AM (#5736232)
CL Pots, listed by best betting odds, with ELO and 538 rankings listed.

Pot 1
Man City, 1973, 92.4
Barcelona, 2029, 92.7
Juventus, 1963, 89.4
Paris SG, 1887, 88.1
Madrid, 2027, 92.2
Bayern, 1948, 91.9
Atletico, 1929, 86.3
Lokomotiv, 1653, 62.0

Pot 2
Tottenham, 1932, 85.9
Man U, 1856, 80.0
Napoli, 1865, 83.3
Roma, 1846, 80.0
Dortmund, 1748, 77.8
Porto , 1751, 78.4
Benfica, 1752, 75.9
Shakhtar, 1763

Pot 3
Liverpool, 1925, 90.0
Valencia, 1788, 78.7
Lyon, 1761, 76.6
Monaco, 1761, 69.0
Schalke, 1727, 71.9
Ajax, 1716, 76.1
Eindhoven, 1677, 69.5
CSKA, 1712, 69.1

Pot 4
Inter, 1738, 79.3
Hoffenheim, 1710, 71.4
Galatasary, 1645, 76.9
Brugge, 1627, 70.1
AEK Athens, 1624, 66.4
Young Boys, 1656, 72.9
Pizen, 1585
Belgrade, 1481
   524. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: August 30, 2018 at 10:59 AM (#5736237)
Yeah, I am like that myself. People have told me “why the hell do you want to go there” a lot. For me personally I enjoy the randomness of it. Somewhere I would likely never have gone, research it, find things to do. Parts of the country I have never been to, etc.

Anymore, I travel almost exclusively to see wildlife or go scuba diving so I end up in some weird places. I had the Marriott people cold call me to sell me a vacation package and I had fun with them as they tried to convince me they had a resort wherever I'd want to go. Oh, really, I said...
   525. I am going to be Frank Posted: August 30, 2018 at 11:47 AM (#5736279)
I wish I had known about Cahokia when I went to St. Louis. That town a whole lot of bleh.

I know a guy who travels to all of NC State's football games. This means he intentionally spends a weekend in Syracuse every other year, and a couple of years ago went to Shreveport for Christmas. (EDIT: Oh yeah, and New Year's in El Paso last year.) People are weird.


My friend goes to all Rutgers home games - football AND basketball. He also goes to the bowl games. He once left a family vacation in Florida on Christmas day to fly to Detroit for a bowl game. At least NC State is respectable. I've never been to a bowl game and I went to an actual football school.

I'd imagine Manchester and Liverpool aren't high on tourist's wish lists. In fact those two would be close to the bottom of the list on any of those teams currently in the group stages. It seems really easy to go to all these cities in Europe.
   526. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: August 30, 2018 at 12:17 PM (#5736299)
UEFA President's Award is the stupidest thing ever conceived. My god.
   527. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: August 30, 2018 at 12:18 PM (#5736301)
And now European superstars...Diego Forlan and Kaka!
   528. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: August 30, 2018 at 12:22 PM (#5736306)
Keylor Navas...here's your trophy and your seat on the bench...
   529. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: August 30, 2018 at 12:28 PM (#5736312)
My friend goes to all Rutgers home games - football AND basketball. He also goes to the bowl games. He once left a family vacation in Florida on Christmas day to fly to Detroit for a bowl game.
I have a friend who goes to every Bowling Green football game, home and away. It's crazy and insane and I respect every bit of his commitment. The road trip to Laramie, Wyoming a few years ago must have been...an experience.
   530. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: August 30, 2018 at 12:38 PM (#5736319)
Sergio Ramos! Who'da thunk. Let me guess, the midfielder will be Modric and the forward will be Ronaldo.

edit: Although, Salah is there. Maybe UEFA will shock the world and give an award to a non-Real player?
   531. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: August 30, 2018 at 12:42 PM (#5736321)
Porto and Lokomotiv. That's the group Liverpool will want.
   532. The Marksist Posted: August 30, 2018 at 12:42 PM (#5736322)
Group D: Lokomotiv & Porto. There's your huckleberry.
   533. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: August 30, 2018 at 12:43 PM (#5736325)
Roma and Real. That's a group Liverpool won't want.
   534. jmurph Posted: August 30, 2018 at 12:44 PM (#5736326)
United going in with Juventus is the kind of thing that makes me assume these are rigged. Do we have conspiracies about this like we do with the NBA draft lottery?
   535. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: August 30, 2018 at 12:44 PM (#5736327)
Man U and Juventus. Nice one.
   536. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: August 30, 2018 at 12:45 PM (#5736330)
Do we have conspiracies about this like we do with the NBA draft lottery?

Yes.

Dortmund and Atleti. Tough one.
   537. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: August 30, 2018 at 12:46 PM (#5736332)
Man City with a nice draw of Shakhtar.
   538. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: August 30, 2018 at 12:46 PM (#5736333)
APOEL against Astana in pens in Europa play-off. APOEL made 5 bad kicks, 2 saved (one was a pretty good save) and another almost saved, and two missed the frame, the last one on a slip by the shooter. Astana advances.
   539. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: August 30, 2018 at 12:47 PM (#5736334)
Barcelona! Nice! Bring that tiki taka shit on.
   540. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: August 30, 2018 at 12:51 PM (#5736336)
That means Spurs can't get Valencia out of Pot 3, so that's nice.
   541. jmurph Posted: August 30, 2018 at 12:52 PM (#5736337)
I certainly don't hate Man City's draw so far!
   542. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: August 30, 2018 at 12:53 PM (#5736339)
No Group of Death yet...
   543. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: August 30, 2018 at 12:54 PM (#5736342)
Is Schalke the best team in their group?
   544. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: August 30, 2018 at 12:54 PM (#5736344)
Tough group for Man U.
   545. PepTech, the Legendary Posted: August 30, 2018 at 12:55 PM (#5736346)
Schalke wins the D Lottery!
   546. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: August 30, 2018 at 12:55 PM (#5736347)
PSV. Perfect.
   547. PepTech, the Legendary Posted: August 30, 2018 at 12:56 PM (#5736349)
hmm... liverpool and spurs were both drawn last...
   548. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: August 30, 2018 at 12:57 PM (#5736351)
We have a group of death. PSG, Napoli and 'Pool.
   549. jmurph Posted: August 30, 2018 at 12:57 PM (#5736352)
That's a tough group for Liverpool, but they're still probably the best team in it.
   550. The Marksist Posted: August 30, 2018 at 12:58 PM (#5736354)
Liverpool can't get Inter now. C still looks toughest so far, I think?
   551. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: August 30, 2018 at 12:58 PM (#5736355)
No Inter, no Inter, no Inter....
   552. jmurph Posted: August 30, 2018 at 01:00 PM (#5736357)
C still looks toughest so far, I think?

Or A, but yeah, C.
   553. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: August 30, 2018 at 01:01 PM (#5736358)
Group D is such a cupcake group.
   554. jmurph Posted: August 30, 2018 at 01:01 PM (#5736360)
I can't believe two of these teams are advancing! Hilarious.
Lokomotiv Moscow
Porto
Schalke
Galatasaray
   555. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: August 30, 2018 at 01:03 PM (#5736361)
This UEFA guy just pronounced Brugge 3 different ways.
   556. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: August 30, 2018 at 01:04 PM (#5736363)
Jeez, we're getting Inter, aren't we? Damn it.
   557. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: August 30, 2018 at 01:06 PM (#5736366)
Well, Man City with the easiest group of the English teams. The other 3 will have to earn it.
   558. jmurph Posted: August 30, 2018 at 01:06 PM (#5736368)
Jeez, we're getting Inter, aren't we? Damn it.

I get it, in terms of the pot 4 teams, but they have not looked great so far (obviously only two games).
   559. jmurph Posted: August 30, 2018 at 01:07 PM (#5736369)
Here we go:

Group A
Atlético Madrid
Borussia Dortmund
Monaco
Club Brugge

Group B
Barcelona
Tottenham Hotspur
PSV Eindhoven
Internazionale

Group C
PSG
Napoli
Liverpool
Red Star Belgrade

Group D
Lokomotiv Moscow
Porto
Schalke
Galatasaray

Group E
Bayern Munich
Benfica
Ajax
AEK Athens

Group F
Manchester City
Shakhtar Donetsk
Lyon
Hoffenheim

Group G
Real Madrid
Roma
CSKA Moscow
Viktoria Plzeň

Group H
Juventus
Manchester United
Valencia
Young Boys
   560. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: August 30, 2018 at 01:07 PM (#5736370)
I get it, in terms of the pot 4 teams, but they have not looked great so far (obviously only two games).

But clearly the best pot 4 team.
   561. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: August 30, 2018 at 01:12 PM (#5736376)
Group B looks hard. Might have the best "third-best" team (Inter), though groups C (Napoli) and H (Valencia or Man U) might have an argument. Also might have the best "fourth-best" team (PSV), though group F (Hoffenheim/Shakhtar) might have an argument.

The only groups that should challenge the top 10 or so teams are A, B, C and H.
   562. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: August 30, 2018 at 01:16 PM (#5736380)
I think I'd still go C as the toughest group. Those teams are experienced, loaded with talent and have good management. B is probably the toughest top to bottom but I'd give C the edge because 1 really freaking good team is getting bounced.
   563. J. Sosa Posted: August 30, 2018 at 01:20 PM (#5736383)
Well, could have been worse. I was sweating it until the Monaco draw. It was looking like my generator scenario until then. I was fairly happy about Napoli because it meant no Inter. It is doable but wow that Lokamotiv group... So so close. Schalke you lucky bastards. It isn’t great but at least has one notional cupcake. It was looking like there were going to be zero. I would rather PSG than some of the other pot one draws.

Re: Conspiracy theories and CL draw

Closer to fact than tin foil hat territory. You have a guy like Platini who was president of UEFA at one time who has admitted to rigging a World Cup draw. To which he employed the Costanza defense. And there is also the fact that the actual structure of the draw itself heavily favors certain leagues.

Edit to add: With PAOK flaming out I knew it was probably not going to be great.
   564. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: August 30, 2018 at 01:21 PM (#5736388)
From a provincial POV, there are 3 Americans in the tourney? Weah, Pulisic and that kid at Schalke, right?
   565. J. Sosa Posted: August 30, 2018 at 01:24 PM (#5736390)
Don’t sleep on group F. Lyon is young and talented and Hoffenheim could be tricky. Shaktar was a decent pot 2 draw but Lyon at 3 and Hoffenheim at 4 isn’t great.
   566. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: August 30, 2018 at 01:27 PM (#5736392)
I'm really excited about the Barca ties. I kinda want to go to the game at Camp Nou but I know I won't. But I kind of do. But it's not practical. But still...
   567. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: August 30, 2018 at 01:28 PM (#5736393)
Best top 3:
Group B - ELO average 1900 (SPI 86.0) - Group B would win best top 4 easily.
Group C - ELO average 1892 (SPI 87.1)

Reliable betting odds not available yet.



   568. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: August 30, 2018 at 01:29 PM (#5736394)
Liverpool ultras running into Serbian ultras should be...interesting. Godspeed to all the RAWK weirdos traveling to Belgrade.
   569. spivey Posted: August 30, 2018 at 01:29 PM (#5736395)
Group D and E are garbage but the rest all look like they could be quite a bit of fun.

I'm really excited to see Tottenham play Messi and Barcelona twice. With the exception of Ben Davies and Aurrier, I think most of their roster can rise to that challenge.
   570. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: August 30, 2018 at 01:31 PM (#5736397)
Don’t sleep on group F. Lyon is young and talented and Hoffenheim could be tricky. Shaktar was a decent pot 2 draw but Lyon at 3 and Hoffenheim at 4 isn’t great.
Yes, all decent teams, but no real competitors for City. City should still advance easily, as two of those teams would have to outperform them (very unlikely).
   571. J. Sosa Posted: August 30, 2018 at 01:32 PM (#5736398)
From looking at matchups worse draws for Liverpool would probably have been group G and A. PSG will attempt a shootout unless Tuchel has grown, Klopp famously baited him into one in the Europa League a couple years ago and is in his head a bit. Atleti and Simeone would have been a matchup nightmare.The pot 3 thing was a real bummer...
   572. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: August 30, 2018 at 01:34 PM (#5736400)
Group E... garbage
Not disagreeing exactly, but that Benfica/Ajax matchup should be very interesting for second place. It's likely to be much more interesting than Group G, where Roma and Real should advance easily, likely with Real unchallenged for first place.
   573. jmurph Posted: August 30, 2018 at 01:36 PM (#5736402)
The Athletic is hiring all the soccer writers and making it even more difficult to avoid subscribing (I'm still holding off, for now).
   574. spivey Posted: August 30, 2018 at 01:36 PM (#5736403)
Not disagreeing exactly, but that Benfica/Ajax matchup should be very interesting for second place. It's likely to be much more interesting than Group G, where Roma and Real should advance easily, likely with Real unchallenged for first place.

True. I thought about including it, but at least 2 good teams will come out of that group probably. CSKA probably needs to bink 4 points off of Roma to go through, which is possible but unlikely.
   575. The Marksist Posted: August 30, 2018 at 01:38 PM (#5736405)
From a provincial POV, there are 3 Americans in the tourney? Weah, Pulisic and that kid at Schalke, right?


Four, apparently.

SPI projections for Americans to reach the UCL knockout stage:

- Weah (PSG): 68%
- Pulisic (Dortmund): 57%
- McKennie (Schalke): 50%
- Parks (Benfica, maybe): 46%
   576. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: August 30, 2018 at 01:40 PM (#5736408)
In Europa news, Germany may be continuing its poor form from last year. Leipzig currently shitting the bed at home against a vastly inferior Zorya Luhansk. Now need at least two goals to advance.
   577. J. Sosa Posted: August 30, 2018 at 01:49 PM (#5736413)
Realistically being in pot 3 meant many groups would rank high if Liverpool were in it. I think Napoli and PSG are pretty good stylistic matchups and I really didn’t want Inter or Hoffenheim as the 4.

As far as Pot 1 teams I would prefer PSG to Atleti, Bayern, Real and Juventus. Pot 2 Napoli to Dortmund or Roma. Red Star to most of the teams. I mainly wanted to avoid the Bundi/Serie A double whammy which was very much on the table at 2 and 4. That was my main hope.

Re: Bundi

I have seen a lot of hand wringing from German fanbases, they seem to think it is a trend that is likely to continue given league rules on ownership.
   578. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: August 30, 2018 at 01:51 PM (#5736415)
I said this above:

The only groups that should challenge the top 10 or so teams are A, B, C and H.
It's a pretty lame statement, because what it really means is there are only 3 top teams that face almost no challenge to advance: Real, Bayern and Man City.
   579. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: August 30, 2018 at 01:54 PM (#5736417)
Interesting stat on Totally Football--this season is only the 3rd time, and the first time since 1933, that 4 teams in the English top flight have achieved max points in their first 3 games. I would not have guessed that.
   580. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: August 30, 2018 at 01:58 PM (#5736424)
Not that anyone cares, but there is a Luxembourg team (Dudelange) with a very, very low ELO, now just 90 minutes away from the group stage.
   581. spivey Posted: August 30, 2018 at 02:01 PM (#5736427)
Tottenham's group is about perfect. I would have preferred PSG over Barca and Ajax over PSV, but this is a good combination of a tough group, but one Tottenham should advance from, and one that should have them playing in some exciting games. I like not having a total cupcake in the group.
   582. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: August 30, 2018 at 02:03 PM (#5736428)
Interesting stat on Totally Football--this season is only the 3rd time, and the first time since 1933, that 4 teams in the English top flight have achieved max points in their first 3 games. I would not have guessed that.
Seems like statistically difficult, and not actually surprising if you think about it. Four teams have to play each of their first three games without playing one another. That's probably true only for a few teams every year. On top of that, it requires the pivotal teams (the ones that don't play one another) to mostly be very good (though you could get a weakish team playing weaker teams, or above its head). That must happen very rarely. Then they actually have to win their games.

   583. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: August 30, 2018 at 02:09 PM (#5736430)
Seems like statistically difficult, and not actually surprising if you think about it.

I feel like we should be able to do the math on this site, but I sure as hell can't.
   584. spivey Posted: August 30, 2018 at 02:16 PM (#5736437)
I did the math on it and it should happen roughly once every 85 years.
   585. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: August 30, 2018 at 02:17 PM (#5736438)
I did the math on it and it should happen roughly once every 85 years.

So, basically, right on time. Math wins again.
   586. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: August 30, 2018 at 02:21 PM (#5736441)
Leipzig with an injury time goal, to go up 3-2. On track to advance after all.
Atalanta not getting the job done in Copenhagen. Looks likely to go to extra time.
Dudelange certain to advance now, as they have 2 away goals, for a 4 goal aggregate lead.
   587. J. Sosa Posted: August 30, 2018 at 02:28 PM (#5736446)
One of my favorite things that occurred during the world cup was the implied accusation that I was some kind of xG math nerd that needed to get out of mom’s basement and actually watch games.

I probably should have explained to our quadrennial posters at the time that I am one of the more ludditish posters in the thread and that if someone like Bea (who knows what the hell they are talking about with math and odds) and I (a very bad math student very many years ago) were agreeing it might behoove some consideration of xG implications of a particular match.
   588. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: August 30, 2018 at 02:31 PM (#5736447)
This thread does get weird during the World Cup.
   589. jmurph Posted: August 30, 2018 at 02:34 PM (#5736450)
This thread does get weird during the World Cup.

We get a lot of casuals in the NBA thread during the Finals which is fun but also, at times, a little tiring.
   590. PepTech, the Legendary Posted: August 30, 2018 at 02:40 PM (#5736454)
This thread does get weird during the World Cup.
Oh, yeah, and it's *completely* normal the rest of the time...
   591. J. Sosa Posted: August 30, 2018 at 02:41 PM (#5736455)
Occasionally people stick after a world cup which is nice. But back in the day I suspect I drove a guy like MCoA nuts with dour skepticism (at times ill informed dour skepticism).

But J. Sosa, math nerd is gonna go on my epitaph. No take backs.
   592. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: August 30, 2018 at 02:42 PM (#5736456)
Are there odds on the Europa League winner coming from Champions League Group C? Are they better than 1:1?
   593. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: August 30, 2018 at 02:43 PM (#5736457)
Dudelange with a 3rd away goal. Now up 5-0 in the tie. The internet describes them as "semi-professional".
   594. Count Vorror Rairol Mencoon (CoB) Posted: August 30, 2018 at 02:50 PM (#5736464)
Dudelange with a 3rd away goal. Now up 5-0 in the tie. The internet describes them as "semi-professional".


The Dudelange abides, man ...
   595. aberg Posted: August 30, 2018 at 02:55 PM (#5736466)
Dudelange play in a stadium with a capacity of 2558.
   596. spivey Posted: August 30, 2018 at 02:56 PM (#5736467)
Are there odds on the Europa League winner coming from Champions League Group C? Are they better than 1:1?

They shouldn't be. Just looking at the groups - you could easily end up with the following teams also getting bounced: Inter, Dortmund, Man U, plus a few other solid/good teams. Plus you just don't know who will and won't care about Europa that far away.
   597. jmurph Posted: August 30, 2018 at 02:58 PM (#5736470)
OptaPaolo @OptaPaolo
45 - #Atalanta have fired 45 shots in the 180 minutes of regulation time vs FC København, without scoring any goal. Aim.
   598. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: August 30, 2018 at 03:02 PM (#5736472)
Atalanta absolutely dominated the first 90, but I think they got tired and looked pretty shaky at times in extra time. København dominated for stretches of the extra time, in particular the first 10 minutes of the second extra time. Atalanta looked like they were just hanging on.
   599. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: August 30, 2018 at 03:05 PM (#5736474)
They have made the Europa cup a little easier for teams like Dudelange, with the "Champions Path". That allowed them to face an arguably even weaker team in Kosovo's Drita in their first tie. Still, they played Legia Warsaw and CFR Cluj, both vastly superior teams, and went 3 wins and a draw in 4 games.
   600. frannyzoo Posted: August 30, 2018 at 03:12 PM (#5736479)
Atalanta played a barn-burner with Milan (3-3) on the road, Sunday (because, screw it, it's Europa League) and then went to Denmark. Don't know the rotation, but fatigue had to be a factor in today's performance. They're good.
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