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Wednesday, January 30, 2019

OT Soccer Thread, v.2019

Looks like the last thread is closed, so onto the new!

Upcoming Matches of Interest
2/3 Madrid Derby
2/4 Manchester City v. Arsenal
2/10 Manchester City v. Chelsea
2/12 Manchester United v. PSG
2/13 Tottenham v. Dortmund
2/19 Liverpool v. Bayern Munich
2/24 Manchester United v. Liverpool
2/28 Chelsea v. Tottenham
3/2 North London Derby, Merseyside Derby, & El Classico
3/5 Dortmund v. Tottenham
3/9 Arsenal v. Manchester United
3/13 Bayern Munich v. Liverpool
3/16 Manchester Derby
3/30 Liverpool v. Tottenham

The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: January 30, 2019 at 07:08 PM | 2068 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1801. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: May 21, 2019 at 01:50 PM (#5844284)
Saw this at the weekend, definitely surprised. Hint before the flop, it was a loaned player.

I couldn't resist so I looked up the list. I never would have guessed #1. Yedlin was #5. Still fast! Not surprisingly, no Spurs in the top 12. It's not something Pochettino values that highly, I've noticed.
   1802. jmurph Posted: May 21, 2019 at 02:05 PM (#5844293)
I never would have guessed #1. Yedlin was #5.

Alright Buzzfeed, just give us the names!
   1803. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: May 21, 2019 at 02:18 PM (#5844304)
Surprised to see Origi in the top 10. Also surprised that Sane was only the second fastest City player.
   1804. Mefisto Posted: May 21, 2019 at 02:26 PM (#5844309)
I'm surprised that City didn't have a third player in the top 10.
   1805. Mefisto Posted: May 21, 2019 at 04:32 PM (#5844355)
Brandt to Dortmund. Second best for Spurs fans, I suppose.
   1806. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: May 22, 2019 at 07:51 AM (#5844520)
They signed Thorgan Hazard, too. I'm envious of the way they do business. It's not even June and most of their transfer work is done with no fuss.
   1807. spivey Posted: May 22, 2019 at 11:11 AM (#5844591)
Dortmund is very well run, and walks the tight rope of giving young guys chances while also being very good. The Brandt and Hazard ones are tough because by all sounds of it Brandt wanted to stay in Germany and Hazard made it clear he was either going to Dortmund or was going to let his contract run down.

Dortmund probably are gonna need to let an attacker or two walk, though, I fear they simply have too many to keep everyone happy with their minutes.

It would have been nice if Brandt went to Tottenham, though.
   1808. Mefisto Posted: May 22, 2019 at 02:30 PM (#5844682)
   1809. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: May 23, 2019 at 07:56 AM (#5844839)
Don't shoot the messenger as I don't believe this is true, but an Italian news service is reporting Guardiola is going to Juventus. Juventus stock price has jumped 5% on the news, but again, it sounds VERY farfetched.
   1810. jmurph Posted: May 23, 2019 at 08:54 AM (#5844846)
That one's been going around for a while but has been denied by named people in both countries, with both teams, including Pep himself directly. But hey, the soccer world is nuts so who knows!
   1811. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: May 23, 2019 at 09:12 AM (#5844850)
That one's been going around for a while but has been denied by named people in both countries, with both teams, including Pep himself directly. But hey, the soccer world is nuts so who knows!

The rumor has been out there but the reason this one is making a splash is that it's being reported by a legit news service and Juventus "declined comment" on the report. At least, this is the reason the market is bullish on Juve this morning. Juve fans seem as skeptical as we are, for what that's worth.
   1812. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: May 23, 2019 at 09:14 AM (#5844853)
BTW, I would be fascinated if Pep took the Juve job just to see how he and an aging Ronaldo would get along. That could be a great soap opera. The Agnellis would have to have some big balls to create an immovable object meets an irresistible force situation to manage. Probably easier just to buy the refs again.
   1813. jmurph Posted: May 23, 2019 at 09:33 AM (#5844863)
Yeah I don't think Pep would enjoy managing Ronaldo at this point, that would be hilarious.

Pep is under contract until 20-21. I can imagine next season being his last, but would be shocked if he left/they let him leave now. But, again, the soccer world is nuts.
   1814. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: May 23, 2019 at 09:38 AM (#5844865)
/they let him leave now.

This is the big roadblock to me. The sheiks don't care about the money so I don't think they'll just let him go.
   1815. spivey Posted: May 23, 2019 at 09:42 AM (#5844868)
Juventus needs a pretty significant tear down. Even if Pep went there, I feel like waiting a couple of years would be good for him. I also think another season or two at City could really drive home how special this team is. I would take them over the field to win the league.
   1816. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: May 23, 2019 at 09:51 AM (#5844869)
Juventus needs a pretty significant tear down. Even if Pep went there, I feel like waiting a couple of years would be good for him. I also think another season or two at City could really drive home how special this team is. I would take them over the field to win the league.

My guess is he does one more year at Man City and then leaves. He did 4 years at Barca and 3 at Bayern and both times left on his own terms.
   1817. jmurph Posted: May 23, 2019 at 10:26 AM (#5844883)
Serie A is in a really interesting place, but- and I acknowledge this isn't really how the world class managers seem to think- going to Juventus seems like the least interesting thing to do. You have the champions league upside, sure, but you also have the chance to be the guy to break the 8 year (!) league title run.

Conte to Inter is good. I hope Milan can attract someone big, too, and I hope Ancelotti stays at Napoli a bit longer.
   1818. jmurph Posted: May 23, 2019 at 10:27 AM (#5844884)
I understand the same could be said about going to Man City- it's easier to win there than at most other places. But the Premier League is quite obviously a lot more competitive than Serie A at the moment.
   1819. Sean Forman Posted: May 24, 2019 at 05:42 PM (#5845500)
pretty crappy start fo the u20's we got concacafed by Ukraine.

We dominated possession had a gorgeous team goal, but were beat by a set play, tactical fouling and a long ball over the top of our miniature RB.
   1820. Jose is Absurdly Unemployed Posted: May 24, 2019 at 06:07 PM (#5845504)
That game was so exasperating. It’s more than a bit unfair of me to dump an entire systems problems in the U20s but all I could think throughout the second half was “when did a men’s US team last win a game of note?” Given the quality in this squad that seems to exist this team should be able to progress to the knockout stage I would think and to come up short in the first game was disappointing. I’m just looking for something to cling too for US soccer but it feels like since the 2016 Copa America run to the semi final that we have done #### all.
   1821. Sean Forman Posted: May 25, 2019 at 02:30 PM (#5845592)
Last two U20's have made the QF's and lost to eventual winners (I think).

Tyler Adams starting for RBL in the Pokal final. Lewandowski just made an amazing header to put them down 0-1.
   1822. Dromedary pretzels, only half a dinar (CoB). Posted: May 26, 2019 at 10:22 AM (#5845763)
Well, this news has to move the needle a bit ...

Chelsea’s preparations for Wednesday’s Europa League final have endured another serious setback after N’Golo Kanté suffered a knee injury in training which is expected to rule him out of the showpiece in Baku.

Kanté is understood to have damaged the knee in a session on Saturday and departed the pitch in clear discomfort, with Chelsea’s medical staff due to assess the joint on Sunday afternoon to ascertain the gravity of the injury. However, their initial impressions are believed to have been far from promising.


Graun
   1823. Jose is Absurdly Unemployed Posted: May 26, 2019 at 12:05 PM (#5845769)
Two days, two playoff finals, plenty of late drama. 119th yesterday for Tranmere and 90+4 today for Charlton.
   1824. KronicFatigue Posted: May 26, 2019 at 01:23 PM (#5845781)
I'm sure I'm missing something obvious, but why isn't the Euro final played in the afternoon on the same day as the CL final? I could justify going out to a bar in that kind of situation!
   1825. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: May 26, 2019 at 04:31 PM (#5845805)
The end of the Inter/Empoli game was madness. Inter needed a win for CL and Empoli a draw to stay up. Inter held the league for most of the game, with Empoli getting a second half goal. Inter went ahead late, and Empoli, pouring men forward, had a great chance that ended up hitting the crossbar in the 90th minute and had another great chance in injury time. Inter cemented their lead with a 94th minute empty net goal and Empoli went down.
   1826. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: May 27, 2019 at 06:38 AM (#5845871)
Inter cemented their lead with a 94th minute empty net goal and Empoli went down.

That goal actually got disallowed for a foul on the keeper who was trying to run back from being up for Empoli's corner.
   1827. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: May 27, 2019 at 10:38 AM (#5845881)

That goal actually got disallowed for a foul on the keeper who was trying to run back from being up for Empoli's corner.
I didn't realize that. Might have been an obvious time for the ref to play the advantage...
   1828. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: May 27, 2019 at 11:17 AM (#5845886)
Villa has had most of the good chances today. Scored late in the first half on a very nice sequence coming out of their own half, and now a bad error by the Derby keeper has Villa up 2-0.
   1829. Dromedary pretzels, only half a dinar (CoB). Posted: May 27, 2019 at 11:38 AM (#5845896)
NOW the match is on!
   1830. Dromedary pretzels, only half a dinar (CoB). Posted: May 27, 2019 at 11:45 AM (#5845897)
So ... question for those more knowledge of tradition and history ... why don't bench players (i.e. potential subs) wear their jerseys while on the bench?

Every time there's a substitution, there's a shot of the player furiously trying to put his shirt on and then get ready. I can't think of another sport where that's the case ...
   1831. Jose is Absurdly Unemployed Posted: May 27, 2019 at 03:40 PM (#5845954)
Today is going better than Friday. Sebastian Soto has a brace and the US has a 2-0 lead on Nigeria early second half. I missed the first half but the second goal came right at the start of the second half and it was a great run and little chip.

So now the US are in really good shape. If this lead holds I think they just need to beat a bad Qatar team to advance. If we give up one goal and win by one then it gets a bit trickier but we still should be in good shape.
   1832. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: May 27, 2019 at 03:56 PM (#5845959)
Lucked out there with the penalty called back due to the player being inches offside.
   1833. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: May 27, 2019 at 04:11 PM (#5845965)
It's really great atmosphere in the crowd at Union Berlin. 10 minutes from the Bundesliga on away goals. Playing with tons of energy.
   1834. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: May 27, 2019 at 04:30 PM (#5845979)
Supporters in Berlin stormed the field. First time at the top level.
   1835. Jose is Absurdly Unemployed Posted: May 27, 2019 at 05:25 PM (#5845994)
So if the US beat Qatar they will advance either as group winner or second place. If they draw they will also advance and could conceivably advance with a loss.
   1836. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: May 27, 2019 at 05:52 PM (#5846001)
Betting odds have Villa as 5th most likely to be relegated next year, just a tad ahead of Burnley/Brighton. I can't imagine those two teams were happy to see Villa take care of Derby.
   1837. Mefisto Posted: May 28, 2019 at 10:47 AM (#5846121)
Ooooh. Spurs actually made an offer, at least according to reports. Next thing you know they'll actually spend money.
   1838. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: May 28, 2019 at 12:15 PM (#5846158)
A lot of great playoffs this year. Especially the League One playoff for me since I turned it on in minute 85 so avoided all the boredom.

Supporters in Berlin stormed the field. First time at the top level.

Technicality: Union Berlin were in the East German league and they were usually at the top level between 1966 and 1991.
   1839. Dromedary pretzels, only half a dinar (CoB). Posted: May 28, 2019 at 12:35 PM (#5846168)
at least according to reports.


It's being reported by the BBC, so an offer was actually made for Lo Celso. Whether this will bog down in the "Levy Zone" (or get hijacked) is another thing entirely.

But ... it is nice to see some urgency from Spurs for once.

   1840. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: May 28, 2019 at 02:59 PM (#5846213)
I just read about Sheffield United's last time in the EPL (1-year run in 2006-2007), where they were overtaken by Carlos Tevez's West Ham. Tevez (and Mascherano?) turned out to have been ineligible due to third party ownership and West Ham ended up paying Sheffield United 20 million pounds in subsequent court cases. I wasn't watching the EPL back then.

If I have the information right, Sheffield United was comfortably in 17th place (technically 16th, but Man. City had a game in hand and better GD, just a point behind), 6 points out of the relegation zone, and a full 11 points ahead of last place West Ham, but West Ham won 7 of their last 9 and Sheffield United finished 18th.
   1841. Sean Forman Posted: May 28, 2019 at 04:41 PM (#5846245)
Lucked out there with the penalty called back due to the player being inches offside.


US had a goal called back due an even tighter call in the first half. XG was like 1.35 to .35 for the match with most of Nigeria's coming after the 2nd goal.
   1842. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: May 28, 2019 at 07:35 PM (#5846280)
Sarri is trying to get sacked, right?
   1843. Mefisto Posted: May 28, 2019 at 09:22 PM (#5846306)
Not to be outdone by either Sarri or Spurs, United have now reportedly told Ajax that they will meet any price Ajax give them for de Ligt.

I really want to play poker with Ed Woodard.
   1844. Dromedary pretzels, only half a dinar (CoB). Posted: May 28, 2019 at 09:38 PM (#5846313)
Problem is, it's not Ajax they have to convince ... it's de Ligt and everything I've read says he prefers Barca more than more money (since Barca will still give him a crap ton of money)...

Also ... DAMN YOU GOD, I KNEW IT WAS TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE!!!!!

- In a move that will make those of us over the age of 30 feel incredibly old, Napoli have pulled the plug on the signing of Kieran Trippier ... because of his age. The 28-year-old right-back is said to not fit Napoli's transfer strategy, and instead they're keen on switching their attentions to someone younger with a potential greater resale value, says The Sun.
   1845. Dromedary pretzels, only half a dinar (CoB). Posted: May 28, 2019 at 09:56 PM (#5846323)
   1846. Richard Posted: May 28, 2019 at 09:56 PM (#5846324)
just read about Sheffield United's last time in the EPL (1-year run in 2006-2007), where they were overtaken by Carlos Tevez's West Ham. Tevez (and Mascherano?) turned out to have been ineligible due to third party ownership and West Ham ended up paying Sheffield United 20 million pounds in subsequent court cases. I wasn't watching the EPL back then.

If I have the information right, Sheffield United was comfortably in 17th place (technically 16th, but Man. City had a game in hand and better GD, just a point behind), 6 points out of the relegation zone, and a full 11 points ahead of last place West Ham, but West Ham won 7 of their last 9 and Sheffield United finished 18th.


The Blades were 10 points clear at one point in early 2007, but that was before a run of tough fixtures. They were undone by a couple of bad errors costing them points, a broken leg to top scorer Rob Hulse, Neil Warnock's cowardly approach away from home (lost to all the top 12, 8 goals in 19 games) which he still practices to this day, and West Ham cheating and the PL letting them get away with it.

Sheffield United's 13 year curse:

1968 - relegated from old Division 1 after losing at home to Chelsea in last game of season.
1981 - relegated to fourth division after losing at home to Walsall and missing a last minute penalty, with another result going against them. United were relegated with a positive goal difference and were only in the relegation places for the last 5 minutes of the season.
1994 - relegated from Premier League after losing to last minute goal at Chelsea with 3 other results going against them, including Everton's dubious 3-2 win over Wimbledon
2007 - relegated from Premier League after losing at home to Wigan whilst West Ham won 1-0 against a feeble Man Utd with Tevez scoring the winner. David Unsworth, who had missed a penalty for United in a 0-0 draw against Blackburn in September, scores the winner for Wigan from the penalty spot
2020 - well, they are favourites for relegation...
   1847. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: May 29, 2019 at 08:22 AM (#5846391)
Pulling for Arsenal today. Gonna be hilarious if Luiz and Higuain were literally about to throw down yesterday, Kante is out, and Sarri is storming out of practices, and Chelsea cruise.
   1848. The_Ex Posted: May 29, 2019 at 09:33 AM (#5846405)
De Ligt 's problem is that his agent is Mina Raiola. Football players seem to be like baseball players, they take the money where its highest. I am shocked though at the agent fees. In football you can essentially bribe the agent to funnel the players to you. None of the players seem concerned that their agents are making huge money off their efforts.
   1849. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: May 29, 2019 at 11:47 AM (#5846462)
Chelsea is currently at 57% to be Europa champion. Seems about right, but maybe a tad high if Kante is truly out, which it seems he might be. Either way Chelsea should be the favorite.

I'm strongly pulling for Arsenal as well, so here's hoping for the upset!
   1850. Dromedary pretzels, only half a dinar (CoB). Posted: May 29, 2019 at 02:22 PM (#5846536)
The teams

Chelsea: Arrizabalaga, Azpilicueta, Christensen, Luiz, Palmieri, Kante, Jorginho, Kovacic, Pedro, Giroud, Hazard.
Subs: Caballero, Alonso, Barkley, Higuain, Zappacosta, Willian, Cahill, Ampadu, Gallagher, McEachran, Cumming.

Arsenal: Cech, Papastathopoulos, Koscielny, Monreal, Maitland-Niles, Torreira, Xhaka, Kolasinac, Ozil, Lacazette, Aubameyang.
Subs: Leno, Elneny, Lichtsteiner, Iwobi, Mustafi, Welbeck, Jenkinson, Guendouzi, Nketiah, Willock, Saka, Iliev.

Referee: Gianluca Rocchi (Italy).
   1851. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: May 29, 2019 at 03:07 PM (#5846556)
Kante starting after all.
   1852. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: May 29, 2019 at 03:29 PM (#5846567)
It's a nice enough looking place otherwise, but man do I hate stadia (usually ones built for athletics) that have a massive amount of space between the pitch and the stands.
   1853. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: May 29, 2019 at 03:54 PM (#5846581)
Not a penalty for me.

I haven't been able to watch closely, but so far Arsenal's defense seems to be its weak spot again. Cech playing very well so far in his last game.
   1854. bunyon Posted: May 29, 2019 at 04:07 PM (#5846588)
Pretty header.
   1855. KronicFatigue Posted: May 29, 2019 at 04:20 PM (#5846593)
If Arsenal don't make CL, what team benefits?
   1856. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: May 29, 2019 at 04:21 PM (#5846594)
4th team in France I think? Someone posted this earlier.

"If..." Kind of a disastrous 15 minutes for Arsenal.
   1857. bunyon Posted: May 29, 2019 at 04:21 PM (#5846597)
That's a penalty.
   1858. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: May 29, 2019 at 04:42 PM (#5846605)
Well xG is going to be a bit closer after those two huge misses. Not going to have meant much of course. Neither team playing their real game this late with this score difference.
   1859. jmurph Posted: May 31, 2019 at 10:57 AM (#5847079)
Predictions for tomorrow? I suspect Liverpool will win fairly comfortably. I'm not even sure who I want to win, we shall see.
   1860. strong silence Posted: May 31, 2019 at 11:38 AM (#5847089)
Tottenham.
This is the game that puts Pochettino in the elite tier of coaches. In some way, maybe a tactical change, maybe his formation, he will outcoach Klopp tomorrow.
   1861. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: May 31, 2019 at 02:32 PM (#5847136)
Liverpool on penalties.
   1862. The Marksist Posted: May 31, 2019 at 03:00 PM (#5847140)
Prediction for tomorrow: extreme anxiety followed by extreme emotion that causes me to question my irrational attachment to a business owned by a hedge fund billionaire.
   1863. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: May 31, 2019 at 03:28 PM (#5847147)
LIIIIIVERPOOL, LIIIIIIIIIVERPOOL.

I'll be happy for the Spurs fans if Liverpool loses, but pretty gutted.
   1864. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: May 31, 2019 at 05:17 PM (#5847183)
Just arrived in Newark from San Francisco. 5 hours here then off to Heathrow. I’m heading to N17 tomorrow for the madness. I’ll sleep when I’m dead, I guess. COYS #######!
   1865. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: May 31, 2019 at 09:07 PM (#5847221)
Somebody needs to learn to sleep in airports, and on flights.
   1866. Howie Menckel Posted: May 31, 2019 at 10:35 PM (#5847235)
my brother wants us to watch this soccer event, whatever it is.

for those of us noncombatants, what are the attributes of each squad that would make any of us root for/against either team?

kind of a short teams history of overall success, recent success, controversies, type of team strategy, personality of team players, fan base vibe, etc
   1867. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: May 31, 2019 at 10:40 PM (#5847238)
I think if Kane is remotely fit, he has to start. He is absolutely the kind of player that can pull a goal out of nowhere. Plus, Spurs can let him give as much as he has and then bring Lucas on.

Liverpool heavy favorites, of course.
   1868. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: May 31, 2019 at 10:45 PM (#5847241)
Liverpool at 66%. I'd take Liverpool at those odds.
   1869. strong silence Posted: May 31, 2019 at 11:59 PM (#5847278)
Howie
Liverpool are the 2004 Red Sox. Deep and loyal fans. Rich history but haven't won a championship in decades.

Tottenham are the Ny Mets. Like the Mets in the shadows of the wealthy and decorated Yankees, Tottenham have until recently been of little consequence to deep and rich London rivals.

The true neutral fan favors Liverpool because of its compelling coach, unique style of play, total team commitment, and fabulous offensive stars.

The best neutral fan wouldn't mind Tottenham winning. While there is nothing negative about Tottenham, simply they lack charisma. There is no narrative to the Spurs. Their star, Harry Kane, is England's last hope for glory. They're the underdogs but have squeaked through to the Final game, like NC State in 1982.
   1870. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: June 01, 2019 at 05:14 AM (#5847287)
In the big smoke! Nothing like wrath of khan to lullaby me into an hour of sleep.

1869 is dumb as fuck.
   1871. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: June 01, 2019 at 08:26 AM (#5847296)
I should be headed to the n17 now but my vacation rental is in limbo and I’m stuck at a bar in Shoreditch waiting to find out where I’m staying tonight. This place is a dead ringer for alphabet city. So far I’ve seen one spurs shirt, one pool shirt and one Oakland A’s hat! Go A’s!
   1872. Fernigal McGunnigle Posted: June 01, 2019 at 08:30 AM (#5847297)
There is no narrative to the Spurs. [...] They're the underdogs but have squeaked through to the Final game, like NC State in 1982.
That's the narrative to Spurs. Survive and advance, they're the Cardiac Pack, the team of destiny (with a major goal scored by the Hip of Destiny that the world's slowest Spaniard is somehow possessed of), the team that spent £0 on the transfer but still win with everyone hurt and suspended because they are coached by a mystical Argentinian bear. Their wins over City and Ajax were wildly improbable, and not (unlike Liverpool's improbable comeback over Barca) simply the result of a great team playing to maximum capacity and overwhelming its opponent. They were the result of fate's interference in human activities!

(A lot of that narrative goes away if Liverpool wins 3-0.)
   1873. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: June 01, 2019 at 08:39 AM (#5847298)
Add a warriors shirt. 4way tile but Oakland in the lead!
   1874. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: June 01, 2019 at 08:44 AM (#5847300)
Beer goggles aren’t making 1869 look any better.
   1875. Commissioner Bud Black Beltre Hillman Fred Posted: June 01, 2019 at 09:01 AM (#5847302)
Appreciate the offer Shooty, but looks like I'll be watching with family. They're all Spurs so I'll be leaning Liverpool, but I won't be unhappy if there are celebrations on the wrong side of north London tonight.
   1876. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: June 01, 2019 at 09:03 AM (#5847304)
A Lauri Markannen shirt! So far no love for the NFL.
   1877. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: June 01, 2019 at 10:51 AM (#5847311)
Howie, Liverpool is basically English Philadelphia, and its soccer team likewise.

Hope that helps!
   1878. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: June 01, 2019 at 11:27 AM (#5847315)
At liverpool street (irony!) and on my way to white hart lane stadium.
   1879. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: June 01, 2019 at 11:28 AM (#5847316)
“Station”
   1880. frannyzoo Posted: June 01, 2019 at 11:43 AM (#5847321)
I'm pretty much a total neutral here (okay, LFC for the win), and I'm nervous waiting until only 13:00 MDT. Imagine how hard waiting until 20:00 BST must be for the fanatics (and yes, I am asking some of you this question)?
   1881. Howie Menckel Posted: June 01, 2019 at 11:46 AM (#5847323)
ok, Tottenham it is, for 5 American dollars!
   1882. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: June 01, 2019 at 11:56 AM (#5847326)
Liverpool are the 2004 Red Sox. Deep and loyal fans. Rich history but haven't won a championship in decades.

League championship. They won the Champions League in... holy hell, it can't have been that long ago... 14 years ago still rounds down to one decade though.

As for which team a neutral should support? 6 one way, half a dozen the other really. They both have things going for them, and some things that might turn you off. Both, as noted, have not been super successful, in recent past. But both teams are still fairly spoilt (says the Newcastle fan) simply by virtue of being successful PL teams. You are not going to get any true Cinderella teams at this stage of the CL, it is virtually impossible. Even Ajax, who would have no doubt been considered one, had they made the finals, have more domestic titles than you can shake a stick at.

Liverpool's manager Klopp tends to play a style that is very appealing, especially to casual or newer fans to the game. An extreme high press when not in possession of the ball, and a much more direct approach than most other top teams, who tend to prefer to play more of a possession game. It tends to be exciting, high energy, and is prone to leading to big chances, often on both ends of the pitch.
Pochettino on the other side, tends to be much more flexible and versatile. Though all else being equal, does typically prefer a methodical build up while in possession.

Both teams will be fielding very strong starting players I-XI, though I would say Liverpool's best players are clearly attacking minded, and I would look for Mane to set the pace early for them, while Salah is set to pounce on any openings that provides.
Spurs' best players I would argue are more defensive minded. Lloris in goal, and Vertonghen and Alderweireld in front of him. Though they do have threats up front, especially Son and Eriksen.

If you are unsure, and have like 20 minutes to burn, I would recommend just sitting through the highlights of the second legs of the semi finals for each team, and pick whichever side you enjoyed most.. Both featured somewhat incredible comebacks, and some really nice football. So if you don't find anything you like there, you will likely be having a bad time tonight anyway ;)

Ajax - Spurs and Liverpool - Barcelona. Not the most coherently edited highlights I have ever seen, but can't find much better right now.
   1883. frannyzoo Posted: June 01, 2019 at 01:38 PM (#5847342)
UDN with Stoichkov, Puyol, and Zanetti in the pre-game booth. I've seen Stoichkov previously but not these other two. Impressive. Serie A misses Zanetti in the worst way.
   1884. frannyzoo Posted: June 01, 2019 at 01:57 PM (#5847345)
Wijnaldum starts. Let me jinx him good and hard by saying he'll have a great game. Which he will.
   1885. Dromedary pretzels, only half a dinar (CoB). Posted: June 01, 2019 at 02:02 PM (#5847346)
#THFC: Lloris (C), Trippier, Alderweireld, Vertonghen, Rose, Winks, Sissoko, Eriksen, Dele, Son, Kane.


Kane and Winks both start. Color me doubtful either are up to speed for this match.

2-1 Liverpool.
   1886. Esmailyn Gonzalez Sr. Posted: June 01, 2019 at 02:24 PM (#5847349)
I just went to find which channel is carrying the game in Canada. They are not. It is on something called DAZN. Which apparently has the rights to every EPL game next year as well. Thanks for that.
   1887. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: June 01, 2019 at 02:32 PM (#5847351)
Well I can only see one possible response to such a situation. Piracy.
   1888. frannyzoo Posted: June 01, 2019 at 02:47 PM (#5847355)
What FCT said plus VPN with a free trial.
   1889. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: June 01, 2019 at 02:53 PM (#5847356)
C'mon you Reds!
   1890. frannyzoo Posted: June 01, 2019 at 02:53 PM (#5847357)
Warning! Viewer Alert!!! The "Opening Ceremony" has begun! Warning! Here's Prince and Co. at the performance that should have ended all such shenanigans forever. If only...
   1891. Dromedary pretzels, only half a dinar (CoB). Posted: June 01, 2019 at 02:56 PM (#5847359)
Now that the visual vomit of the opening ceremony is over ... COYS!!!
   1892. Esmailyn Gonzalez Sr. Posted: June 01, 2019 at 02:57 PM (#5847360)
Signed up for the free trial. Lots of lag and quality issues on my laptop. Phone app seems to be working fine if I want to watch the full game on my phone.
   1893. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: June 01, 2019 at 02:58 PM (#5847362)
Signed up for the free trial. Lots of lag and quality issues on my laptop. Phone app seems to be working fine if I want to watch the full game on my phone.


This is becoming commonplace and companies do it on purpose, because ad blockers are far more prevalent on computers than on phones.
   1894. Dromedary pretzels, only half a dinar (CoB). Posted: June 01, 2019 at 03:04 PM (#5847364)
Sigh ... that's a sub-optimal start to things.
   1895. Mefisto Posted: June 01, 2019 at 03:05 PM (#5847366)
Harsh call but I think the right one.
   1896. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: June 01, 2019 at 03:10 PM (#5847368)
This is not good for my nerves. Or my liquor cabinet. And I don't even really care who wins.
   1897. Baldrick Posted: June 01, 2019 at 03:19 PM (#5847369)
I missed the first six minutes, but...this game has been kind of crap, right?
   1898. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: June 01, 2019 at 03:20 PM (#5847370)
That pass to Mane from Alisson was amazing, even if it only resulted in a corner.

Wow, great effort from TAA.
   1899. Jose is Absurdly Unemployed Posted: June 01, 2019 at 03:20 PM (#5847371)
One woman pitch invasion! Not quite as impactful as the World Cup final.
   1900. Jose is Absurdly Unemployed Posted: June 01, 2019 at 03:22 PM (#5847372)
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