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Tuesday, May 29, 2018

OT: Soccer Thread (World Cup)

We’ve gotten through Champions League and most of the relegation/promotion stuff so we may as well focus on the World Cup. And what a World Cup, Buffon playing his sixth, Pulisic making his WC debut, quality on-site reporting from Fox and two time Copa America champs Chile just part of what should make for an amazing tournament!  Plus of course the the family-friendly, inclusive atmosphere sure to be fostered by the Russians.

Group A - Russia, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Uruguay
Group B - Portugal, Spain, Morocco, Iran
Group C - France, Australia, Peru, Denmark
Group D - Argentina, Iceland, Croatia, Nigeria
Group E - Brazil, Switzerland, Costa Rica, Serbia
Group F - Germany, Mexico, Sweden, South Korea
Group G - Belgium, Panama, Tunisia, England
Group H - Poland, Senegal, Colombia, Japan

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   1. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: May 29, 2018 at 10:01 AM (#5681201)
Jose picks:
A - Russia, Uruguay
B - Portugal, Spain
C - France, Denmark
D - Argentina, Croatia
E - Brazil, Costa Rica
F - Germany, Sweden
G - Belgium, England
H - Colombia, Japan

Champs - Argentina
Golden Boot - Neymar
   2. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: May 29, 2018 at 10:05 AM (#5681203)
2143. J. Sosa Posted: May 29, 2018 at 09:56 AM (#5681197)
When Salah got hurt it just made me sick. I thought Liverpool was generally getting the better of it at that point.

And for the pundits trying to say it was part of the game or whatever, I felt like I was taking crazy pills. Do these idiots actually watch the sport? Ramos did the exact same ####### thing last year in the CL final and got a yellow for it. It is a dangerous, cynical play and should have drawn a card.

As for Karius... When I saw that play I was stunned. Even Buckner or Grady didn’t do that to me. Buckner I was just sad. Grady I was in a towering rage. Karius, I was stunned. I just kind of sat there. My wife said “oh no” looked at my face, and then held my hand. It is just sports, I am a well adjusted person with proper priorities, but I don’t think I have ever seen that at any level on a throw. Very rarely on a kick, but a throw?

Some Liverpool fans have tried to say he was still concussed from Ramos elbowing him in the head, but... That doesn’t explain the second error.
It was very similar to the Kolarov error he got away with in the semi. I had seen posts prior to the final from good coaches suggesting that this has been an issue for Karius ever since the broken hand injury. Whether mental or physical, it was a known issue. If that is true, I don’t see how he can function as top choice. Karius did make two very nice plays in the final, and he has talent, but if the hand thing is true he is done even setting aside whether it is tenable to go forward with him otherwise.


I don't think that's necessarily true. If he was concussed it's not a quick recovery situation. I think it's very reasonable to say that both errors were a function of getting elbowed in the head. Ramos is such a POS. His performance in this final really taints it. That's the equivalent of an MLB team intentionally hitting the opponent's best hitter in the first inning of the world series with the sole intent of knocking him out of action.
   3. Mike Emeigh Posted: May 29, 2018 at 10:12 AM (#5681210)
The trendy pick for the "Group of Death" here is Group D, but Group E looks pretty tough, too - I could see any one of the other three teams advancing with Brazil.

-- MWE
   4. J. Sosa Posted: May 29, 2018 at 10:13 AM (#5681211)
I should have worded it better, what I mean is he made the same error against Roma. A potential TBI doesn’t explain the second away given that I have seen good coaches post nervously about it as a weakness prior to the final.
   5. spivey Posted: May 29, 2018 at 10:21 AM (#5681217)
Depends on what you mean by Group of Death (best 3rd best team or best worst team, or some combination thereof). But Peru/Denmark battling for a spot will be good fun. B and G are the only groups that look to have 2 teams nailed on to advance.

Now I'm starting to get excited, although I was kind of on board with boycotting the World Cup. I guess we'll see. The thing I have to remind myself is the quality of soccer is usually so awful compared to club games. The bus parking, cagey-ness, and lack of creativity for most teams is extreme.
   6. J. Sosa Posted: May 29, 2018 at 10:26 AM (#5681223)
I had convinced myself that I wasn’t interested in World Cup after the USMNT debacle. That has.... proven to be incorrect. What am I going to do.... Work?
   7. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: May 29, 2018 at 10:37 AM (#5681235)
It's going to be hard, but I plan on sticking with my boycott plan. The hard part will be getting up on a beautiful June morning and resisting the urge to watch a game while I have breakfast on my deck.
   8. J. Sosa Posted: May 29, 2018 at 10:40 AM (#5681238)
Yeah, I am weak. I’ve relapsed and gotten back into college football too despite my ethical concerns. I should probably stay away from drugs.
   9. PepTech, the Legendary Posted: May 29, 2018 at 10:40 AM (#5681239)
B and G are the only groups that look to have 2 teams nailed on to advance
Belgium and Panama, right?
   10. Astroenteritis Posted: May 29, 2018 at 11:13 AM (#5681283)
With the USA and Ireland not making it, I'm reduced to rooting for the CONCACAF teams and, I guess, Iceland. I think Mexico makes it out of their group. At least I'll have a solid month of getting up and watching games in the morning.
   11. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: May 29, 2018 at 11:22 AM (#5681290)
   12. Mefisto Posted: May 29, 2018 at 11:29 AM (#5681299)
I'm with Shooty: boycott.
   13. SoSH U at work Posted: May 29, 2018 at 11:35 AM (#5681303)
Since I just kind of dropped in here with the creation of a new thread, what's the genesis of the boycott? Is it an anti-FIFA thing?

   14. Panik on the streets of London (Trout! Trout!) Posted: May 29, 2018 at 11:36 AM (#5681304)
probably anti-Russia if I had to guess
   15. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: May 29, 2018 at 11:42 AM (#5681307)
Seems to be a combination of anti-Russia and anti-FIFA.
   16. SoSH U at work Posted: May 29, 2018 at 11:44 AM (#5681310)

Seems to be a combination of anti-Russia and anti-FIFA.


Thanks.
   17. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: May 29, 2018 at 11:49 AM (#5681312)
Since I just kind of dropped in here with the creation of a new thread, what's the genesis of the boycott? Is it an anti-FIFA thing?

For me it's not about Russia, it's about the thousands of migrant workers (indentured servants, really) who have died in Qatar building the World Cup infrastructure. Look, people can do what they want and, at the end of the day we all do things that are morally compromised, but I would ask that people at least acknowledge what FIFA's greed has led to in regards real human suffering. This will be the last I say about it. If anyone chooses to lose themselves in the Cup, well, I understand. Believe me, I'll be tempted.
   18. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: May 29, 2018 at 12:04 PM (#5681329)
Man, there's starting to be a low hum out there that Bale could go back to Tottenham this summer. I'm going to do my best not to think about it.
   19. jmurph Posted: May 29, 2018 at 12:08 PM (#5681335)
Well Shooty beat me to it, but here it is anyway:
Hotspur Related @HotspurRelated
#thfc could beat Manchester United to signing Gareth Bale with the player willing to take a pay cut to return to the club. [Independent]

   20. J. Sosa Posted: May 29, 2018 at 12:13 PM (#5681339)
Indentured servants is probably being generous. It is not at all clear if many of the workers are able to return home given passport chicanery and other issues. It is probably a rationalization on my part, but 2022 will be a much greater test of tolerating evil. 2022 won’t be doable for me. That is probably a distinction without a difference for many though, which I understand.
   21. J. Sosa Posted: May 29, 2018 at 12:18 PM (#5681347)
I hate to be that guy, but where would Bale play? And Levy has never struck me as the sentimental sort. I can’t see it. Granted there are not many potential destinations especially if he wants to return to England, but I think that would be a mistake. Would it mean Eriksen is leaving? Given the money involved and the strength Spurs have in attacking areas, if they keep Kane, Alli, Eriksen, and Son, it would seem foolish in lieu of say adding a big time mid.
   22. spivey Posted: May 29, 2018 at 12:19 PM (#5681349)
The level of pay cut that Bale would have to take would be immense. I'm skeptical. It's also good, but I don't want Tottenham to blow their wad on a winger and leave the fullback and central defense situation as is.
   23. spivey Posted: May 29, 2018 at 12:20 PM (#5681352)
Bale coming in would mean that Son/Alli would be rotating, or maybe Eriksen drops deeper to play alongside Dier/Wanyama, or potentially Modric if they can get him back too.
   24. J. Sosa Posted: May 29, 2018 at 12:24 PM (#5681355)
If you insist on getting into a bidding war with United from a squad balance standpoint Spurs would be better served going after Sidibe.
   25. Baldrick Posted: May 29, 2018 at 12:31 PM (#5681364)
For me it's not about Russia, it's about the thousands of migrant workers (indentured servants, really) who have died in Qatar building the World Cup infrastructure. Look, people can do what they want and, at the end of the day we all do things that are morally compromised, but I would ask that people at least acknowledge what FIFA's greed has led to in regards real human suffering. This will be the last I say about it. If anyone chooses to lose themselves in the Cup, well, I understand. Believe me, I'll be tempted.

Same for me. I won't be able to commit to a full boycott this time around. Partly because I'm in Oakland for a month and this is the only chance I'll year I'll get to see a bunch of friends who will be knee deep in the Cup, so if I want to hang out it's going to be watching some games at a bar. And partly because my balance between excitement about fun possibilities on the field is still struggling against my disgust for the whole process.

I'm going to do my best to just stay checked out though.
   26. ckash Posted: May 29, 2018 at 12:40 PM (#5681376)
Group Winners:

Group A - Egypt, Uruguay (but I expect Russia to advance due to corruption)
Group B - Portugal, Spain
Group C - France, Denmark
Group D - Argentina, Iceland
Group E - Brazil, Serbia
Group F - Germany, Mexico
Group G - Belgium, England
Group H - Poland, Colombia

Champs: Brazil
Golden Boot: Lukaku
   27. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: May 29, 2018 at 12:51 PM (#5681386)
I don't think Bale is going to Spurs but I'll lay out some reasons why he might:

1. Commercial considerations. Nike is sponsoring Tottenham now and Bale is a Nike athlete plus it wouldn't hurt to have one of the world's most famous footballers on the team going into a new stadium of which you still haven't sold the naming rights.

2. From Bale's perspective, I think he'd have to take a paycut on salary some of which would be made up with a golden handshake. That is, part of the fee going to Real as part of the signing on bonus would really be going into Bale's pocket. This depends on how much Real want to get rid of Bale and how stubborn he is about where he goes.

3. In England, it's only United or Spurs for him and there's talk he doesn't fancy playing for Mourinho.

4. London is a lot closer to Cardiff than Manchester.

5. Levy may not be sentimental but he has brought back players before--Defoe, Keane, Crouch for example. Plus it's not whether Levy is sentimental but if Bale is. I don't care what people say, Bale is still a great player. If he knocks on Levy's door and says he wants to sign, Levy will sign him. He's only 28!

My guess is that he and Zidane will work things out and Bale will stay in Madrid. I can't say I wouldn't be excited about Bale teaming up with Kane, Alli and Eriksen, though. You could drop Eriksen into the CM and play Bale, Son and Alli behind Kane. I'm getting diabetes just thinking about it.
   28. J. Sosa Posted: May 29, 2018 at 02:07 PM (#5681448)
Heading into a new stadium with Bale and CL while Arsenal sign Lichtsteiner and Sokratis would probably be worth the diabetes.
   29. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: May 29, 2018 at 02:10 PM (#5681457)
while Arsenal sign Lichtsteiner and Sokratis would probably be worth the diabetes.

Seriously, what are they thinking? Even Arsene is shaking his head.
   30. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: May 29, 2018 at 03:00 PM (#5681527)
ELO:

A: Uruguay (1891), Russia (1685), Egypt (1643), Saudi Arabia (1597) mean: 1704
B: Spain (2049), Portugal (1967), Iran (1787), Morocco (1711) mean: 1878
C: France (1987), Peru (1906), Denmark (1843), Australia (1714) mean: 1862
D: Argentina (1985), Croatia (1853), Iceland (1787), Nigeria (1693) mean: 1829
E: Brazil (2131), Switzerland (1879), Serbia (1770), Costa Rica (1745) mean: 1881
F: Germany (2092), Mexico (1857), Sweden (1796), South Korea (1751) mean: 1874
G: England (1941), Belgium (1931), Panama (1669), Tunisia (1657) mean: 1799
H: Colombia (1935), Poland (1831), Senegal (1747), Japan (1692) mean: 1803

I: Netherlands (1907), Italy (1901), Chile (1874), USA (1764) mean: 1861 --- I cheated here. Wales is actually the next best team, at ELO 1777 (USA is currently the 5th highest team by ELO not in the WC, right after Wales).

By ELO mean, there are 4 groups that are pretty close to each other in top to bottom (mean) strength. (B, C, E, F)

If you want best third place team, by ELO it's clearly Group C, though Denmark is a significant betting favorite over Peru. Betting markets think ELO overvalues Peru by a lot. The most likely third place teams to win it all in the betting markets are Sweden and Serbia (Groups E and F), but Egypt, Senegal, Nigeria and Peru are not far behind. (Iceland is picked by the odds to finish behind Nigeria).

If you want best fourth place team, by ELO it's also either group E or F, with Costa Rica and South Korea both scoring high in ELO.


Least competitive group (in terms of advancement) has to be Group G. The difference between the top 2 and bottom 2 is enormous.
   31. Count Vorror Rairol Mencoon (CoB) Posted: May 29, 2018 at 03:15 PM (#5681545)

Gareth Bale will earn £150m over the next six years in salaries and bonuses after signing a contract extension with Real Madrid until 2022 that will make him the best-paid player in the world.

The European champions confirmed on Sunday the 27-year-old has committed his future to the club he joined in September 2013 for a then world-record transfer fee of £85m.

“Real Madrid and Gareth Bale have agreed to the extension of the player’s contract, which ties him to the club until June 30, 2022,” read a club statement.

Negotiations over an extension have been continuing for several months between Real and Bale’s representative, Jonathan Barnett, with an agreement reached a few weeks ago. It is understood the contract is worth more than £600,000 a week before tax with the buyout clause set at €1bn (£900m). It is believed to be one of the biggest in the history of the sport. That is the equivalent to around £350,000 a week after tax, more than the estimated £288,000 Real pay Cristiano Ronaldo. Negotiations over a new deal for the Portuguese have not yet been finalised.


Gareth Bale isn't coming back to Spurs ....
   32. spivey Posted: May 29, 2018 at 03:16 PM (#5681548)
I'm interested to see how Peru do, actually. I know nothing about them other than they seem to always be considered a good team that can't qualify because CONMEBOL is so tough.
   33. manchestermets Posted: May 29, 2018 at 03:45 PM (#5681579)
4. London is a lot closer to Cardiff than Manchester.


London to Cardiff is ~130 miles. Manchester to Cardiff is ~140 miles. Source: hurried distance measurement using Google Maps. But you can see there's not a lot in it.
   34. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: May 29, 2018 at 03:53 PM (#5681592)
London to Cardiff is ~130 miles. Manchester to Cardiff is ~140 miles. Source: hurried distance measurement using Google Maps. But you can see there's not a lot in it.

Huh. I guess I'm just too used to thinking of Britain in terms of north and south and not east and west. That's a habit I blame entirely on Brits, of course.
   35. Esmailyn Gonzalez Sr. Posted: May 29, 2018 at 04:07 PM (#5681608)
It is understood the contract is worth more than £600,000 a week before tax with the buyout clause set at €1bn (£900m). It is believed to be one of the biggest in the history of the sport. That is the equivalent to around £350,000 a week after tax

Seems excessive...
   36. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: May 29, 2018 at 04:45 PM (#5681661)
I think a bunch of guys got crazy buyout clauses in the wake of Neymar going to PSG. As I recall he had something like a 250 million buyout clause that when he signed everyone figured "no chance" but a couple years later it didn't seem quite so nuts. So teams have said "OK fine, bring it." I think Messi has a billion euro buyout too.
   37. manchestermets Posted: May 29, 2018 at 05:07 PM (#5681679)
I guess I'm just too used to thinking of Britain in terms of north and south and not east and west.


You need to think of it as a triangle. The east-west distance increases the further south you go.
   38. Howie Menckel Posted: May 29, 2018 at 05:17 PM (#5681689)
2026 World Cup site to be announced in about 2 weeks

North America vs Morocco (or none of the above), who ya got?

those are the choices for FIFA

if North American bid wins, the Meadowlands' MetLife Stadium has been announced as the site of choice

reality TV, World Cup, it doesn't matter - the world turns its lonely eyes to Jersey
   39. This is going to be state of the art wall Posted: May 29, 2018 at 07:36 PM (#5681756)
I'm so depressed about the US not making it that it's going to be really hard to enjoy what is usually my second favorite sporting event after March Madness. Like, I still watch March Madness when Michigan doesn't make it, but it sure isn't anywhere near as fun.

I'm interested to see how Peru do, actually. I know nothing about them other than they seem to always be considered a good team that can't qualify because CONMEBOL is so tough.


This girl I was briefly seeing that things ended badly with is a huge Peru fan, and we actually initially flirted with each other during a Peru qualifier that was on in the background of the place we were at. Needless to say ####'em.
   40. Count Vorror Rairol Mencoon (CoB) Posted: May 29, 2018 at 07:46 PM (#5681761)
North America vs Morocco (or none of the above), who ya got?


NA should get it, because literally the infrastructure's already in place; however, given it's FIFA, this is likely a bug, not a feature.

Also, given the NA distribution of games combined with a certain country's current standing with the rest of the world, why won't the vote be for Morocco ...
   41. puck Posted: May 29, 2018 at 08:04 PM (#5681773)
It is understood the contract is worth more than £600,000 a week before tax


The before tax/after tax thing makes it complicated. What is it estimated that Messi and Neymar make?
   42. Howie Menckel Posted: May 29, 2018 at 08:06 PM (#5681777)
well, FIFA would have to be assuming that by 2023, things went so smoothly in Russia and Qatar that no one worries about Morocco's fitness at all. that's one thick pair of rose-colored glasses. the TV dough for a North American win would be so big that it would dwarf the bribe money.

   43. Count Vorror Rairol Mencoon (CoB) Posted: May 29, 2018 at 08:34 PM (#5681789)
well, FIFA would have to be assuming that by 2023, things went so smoothly in Russia and Qatar that no one worries about Morocco's fitness at all. that's one thick pair of rose-colored glasses. the TV dough for a North American win would be so big that it would dwarf the bribe money.


Nobody in FIFA cared about South Africa's, Brazil's, Russia's or Qatar's (seriously, ####### Qatar's) "fitness". For the latter, they pissed in the face of their largest, most influential, and overall most profitable org; they're forcing the best national leagues in the world to totally disrupt their national leagues to play a WINTER World Cup).
   44. KronicFatigue Posted: May 29, 2018 at 09:28 PM (#5681825)
I'm boycotting as well, and my opinions mirror closely to Shooty's. For the boycotters, will you be reading results? coming on this board? or are you off the sport for the month?
   45. Count Vorror Rairol Mencoon (CoB) Posted: May 29, 2018 at 09:37 PM (#5681838)
I'm boycotting as well, and my opinions mirror closely to Shooty's. For the boycotters, will you be reading results? coming on this board? or are you off the sport for the month?


I'm torn.

I was also 100% Team Boycott, but I'm also currently unemployed, so, well, I could have a bunch of time to kill coming up, depending how things go.

2022 will be even harder, because a) #### FIFA and FOX and Qatar and b) I actually expect the USMNT to qualify AND be exciting.
   46. manchestermets Posted: May 30, 2018 at 04:39 AM (#5681977)
North America vs Morocco (or none of the above), who ya got?


Of those, Morocco. I can understand why you all want the North America option (duh) but both Mexico and the US have had the competition relatively recently (by which I mean in my lifetime, essentially) and Canada is nobody's idea of a soccer powerhouse. I'd like to see Africa get another tournament, and Morocco seems like a decent choice - they qualify for the finals semi-regularly so there's a certain level of pedigree there.

I was surprised that Australia didn't bid again (although I couldn't blame them if they'd just said \"#### this") - they were the ones who were absolutely robbed by the Qatar fiasco. A country with a huge sporting heritage, a growing soccer nation (their games tend to be happening when I get up on a Saturday morning, so I see some of them and they appear to be well attended) and it would have taken the tournament to a new area. ####### Qatar, ffs.
   47. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: May 30, 2018 at 08:00 AM (#5681992)
I think North America makes too much sense for FIFA to ignore for 2026. They would be printing money having it here (I believe 94 is still the best attended) and while technically Russia-Qatar-Morocco is three federations they are all in roughly the same part of the world from a time of day standpoint. If they do Morocco then you will have had just one of the last six outside a fairly narrow geographical corridor (Germany, South Africa, Brazil, Russia, Qatar, Morocco - 5 of them are within 3 hours of each other in terms of what time it is).

Australia did get screwed hard. That bid made so much sense to me. It had all the markings of 1994 to me. Infrastructure already in place (though I'm sure they'd have built stuff) and while not any kind of traditional power as manchestermets notes it's a nation on the rise (much moreso than USA was in 1988 when the bid was awarded).
   48. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: May 30, 2018 at 08:21 AM (#5682002)
I'm boycotting as well, and my opinions mirror closely to Shooty's. For the boycotters, will you be reading results? coming on this board? or are you off the sport for the month?

We're right in the middle of transfer season so I'll still post in this thread, just not about the World Cup. I'm sure I'll check results on my ESPN app since I want to follow how Tottenham's players are doing and it will be impossible for me to avoid seeing the scores anyway since they'll be reported in the same places I get transfer news. FIFA doesn't get any direct or indirect money from me seeing the scores so it's not like I feel I have to wander the desert next month.
   49. Mefisto Posted: May 30, 2018 at 08:44 AM (#5682019)
I'll be checking in here, but I won't pay any attention to WC results or discussions.
   50. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: May 30, 2018 at 10:07 AM (#5682085)
An impossible task

Cafu picks his all time Brazil team.
   51. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: May 30, 2018 at 10:40 AM (#5682122)
Anti-FIFA because they set up thousands to die in Qatar as slave labor in 2022 because they needed their next ####### pile of oligarch cash. Spiking the doping investigation of the Russian team is just the pus cherry atop the #### sundae. FIFA makes the worst aspects of every other sport combined look like a ####### choirboy. #### FIFA.

Anti-Russia because they're way more evil now than they were in the 1970s and 1980s as the damned Commies. They're a malevolent force in the world.

I'm not going to follow the tournament nearly as closely as I would have otherwise, I'll likely look at results and maybe lapse into watching a game or two. It's a blessing in disguise that the US biffed their qualification because now I have less reason to care.

Picks:
Group A - Russia, Saudi Arabia (Saudis get multiple suspicious penalty kicks, except not against Russia)
Group B - Spain, Portugal
Group C - France, Peru
Group D - Argentina, Iceland
Group E - Brazil, Costa Rica
Group F - Germany, Mexico
Group G - Belgium, England
Group H - Colombia, Senegal

Winners: Russia, as Vladimir Putin scores 5 goals on a German team that gets 5 red cards in the first 15 minutes.
   52. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: May 30, 2018 at 02:02 PM (#5682376)
FC Cincinnati. I can't express enough how depressing it is that MLS teams continue to adopt the most boring, phony Euro names possible. Thank god for a few of the old NASL holdouts like the Sounders and the Quakes. It is not a crime to call it SOCCER.
   53. Greg K Posted: May 30, 2018 at 02:08 PM (#5682380)
I didn't realize the US didn't qualify. Without them or Italy who am I supposed to root against?
   54. jmurph Posted: May 30, 2018 at 02:10 PM (#5682383)
Germany, always Germany.
   55. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: May 30, 2018 at 02:11 PM (#5682385)
I didn't realize the US didn't qualify. Without them or Italy who am I supposed to root against?


Why would you root against the US? Is the US good enough to be annoyed by?

And the answer as always is France.
   56. Panik on the streets of London (Trout! Trout!) Posted: May 30, 2018 at 02:13 PM (#5682388)
I thought Real Salt Lake was pretty dumb too.
   57. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: May 30, 2018 at 02:15 PM (#5682393)
Winners: Russia, as Vladimir Putin scores 5 goals on a German team that gets 5 red cards in the first 15 minutes.
Vlad would have to get all 5 goals in the first 15 minutes as well, unless one of the ejections was to a bench player or manager. Can't continue playing without at least 7 players--it's an auto forfeit.
   58. Textbook Editor Posted: May 30, 2018 at 06:56 PM (#5682632)
I've not seen this info anywhere, but figure someone here must know the answer...

Should USA get the 2026 WC... Who gets the automatic bid? Or do ALL of USA, Mexico, and Canada qualify? (I vaguely recall the WC moves to 48 teams for 2026, but am not sure that was officially ratified or not...)

   59. Sean Forman Posted: May 30, 2018 at 10:12 PM (#5682737)
Betting markets think ELO overvalues Peru by a lot.


I'm assuming that's because their matches won't be played at 8,000 feet.
   60. Fernigal McGunnigle Posted: May 30, 2018 at 10:26 PM (#5682748)
I thought Real Salt Lake was pretty dumb too.
I choose to believe that the soccer team in Salt Lake City has pledged its allegiance to the King of Spain, which makes the name much more enjoyable.
   61. vortex of dissipation Posted: May 31, 2018 at 12:33 AM (#5682825)
Of all the US international teams, the men's soccer team is the one I root for the hardest, and the women's soccer team is the one I most root against.
   62. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: May 31, 2018 at 01:06 AM (#5682835)
I generally root against the women's soccer team, because the bandwagon patriotism and associated rhetoric that surrounds the team is unbearable. I also root against most other US powerhouse men's or women's teams (like in basketball) for the same reason. If the USMNT ever becomes the best in the world I'd probably have a hard time rooting for them after their first WC victory. Since it won't happen in my lifetime, I don't have to worry about it.

   63. stevegamer Posted: May 31, 2018 at 05:04 AM (#5682843)
I generally root against the women's soccer team, because the bandwagon patriotism and associated rhetoric that surrounds the team is unbearable. I also root against most other US powerhouse men's or women's teams (like in basketball) for the same reason. If the USMNT ever becomes the best in the world I'd probably have a hard time rooting for them after their first WC victory. Since it won't happen in my lifetime, I don't have to worry about it.


I pretty much do the same. I need a team to be not be strongly dislikeable to root for them. The USWNT has been strongly dislikeable for a while. Hope Solo going away will help, though. Bandwagoners also don't help matters.

The first basketball Dream Team was fine, because it was novel, and everybody kind of knew that allowing pros was going to generate that kind of an occurrence. Eventually it got old, so pretty much was hoping for upsets.

Sad that Croatia & Iceland are in the same group,a s those would be my rooting interests. The 2 teams I actually root for didn't make it.
   64. Greg K Posted: May 31, 2018 at 07:22 AM (#5682859)
Why would you root against the US? Is the US good enough to be annoyed by?

And the answer as always is France.

Ah yes, France will do!

The US thing is just a carry-over from other walks of life. The New York Yankees could jump ship and join the NFL, go 0-16 every year, and I'd still have to root against them.

Germany doesn't work as they are the team I usually cheer for. At least, when North Korea is out of the running.
   65. Greg K Posted: May 31, 2018 at 07:24 AM (#5682860)
I've not seen this info anywhere, but figure someone here must know the answer...

Should USA get the 2026 WC... Who gets the automatic bid? Or do ALL of USA, Mexico, and Canada qualify? (I vaguely recall the WC moves to 48 teams for 2026, but am not sure that was officially ratified or not...)

I don't know how accurate the information is, but I was told that CONCACAF is going to 5 teams, so the qualifiers would be narrowing down to two teams (though with the two best teams not involved).

On the plus side, I may get to see Canada in a World Cup for the first time! Won't have to cheer for those hapless Germans anymore.

EDIT: Sorry, 6 teams for CONCACAF. Canada's got a shot even if they don't host!
   66. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: May 31, 2018 at 07:47 AM (#5682865)
Zidane has left Real Madrid in a real bind. Tuchel is at PSG, Emery is at Arsenal, Pochettino extended with Tottenham, Ancelotti is at Napoli and Sarri is headed to Chelsea. Who do they go for? Even a safe pair of hands like Pellegrini isn't available. Conte, I guess? Maybe Allegri? This is bad news for Spurs as it makes the slim chance Bale would leave Real Madrid even slimmer.
   67. spivey Posted: May 31, 2018 at 08:14 AM (#5682873)
I worry that if Real comes calling for Poch, he still could try to wriggle free. It's a job with a short shelf life, and I don't know they currently have the type of talent to best play his still of soccer. But it's a once in a life-time job.

The Barca and Real jobs just seem insane from a pressure and stress standpoint. I can't blame Zidane. This is pretty crazy news though.
   68. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: May 31, 2018 at 08:29 AM (#5682876)
I worry that if Real comes calling for Poch, he still could try to wriggle free.

I'm not worried about that. What I am worried about is that Real Madrid WON'T hire Wenger. Wenger in!
   69. manchestermets Posted: May 31, 2018 at 08:49 AM (#5682880)
Should USA get the 2026 WC... Who gets the automatic bid? Or do ALL of USA, Mexico, and Canada qualify?


I assume they all qualify automatically - Japan and South Korea both did in 2002. I guess there'd be a corresponding reduction in places available through qualification for CONCACAF teams.
   70. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: May 31, 2018 at 09:04 AM (#5682884)
Things are getting complicated for Chelsea.

Abramovich seems to be caught up in the political cold war brewing between UK and Russia.
   71. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: May 31, 2018 at 09:32 AM (#5682899)
And Abramovich has withdrawn his request for an Investors Visa. He recently received Israeli citizenship so he can travel to the UK as a tourist, but he can't work. If you're a Chelsea fan, you better hope he doesn't decide to pull stakes as all the money he's invested at Chelsea has been in the form of a loan. Chelsea FC are on the hook for over a billion pounds to him.
   72. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: May 31, 2018 at 09:43 AM (#5682907)
Wenger is channeling Robby Keane!

This is too good to be true. Make it happen Real!
   73. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: May 31, 2018 at 09:51 AM (#5682912)
As a fan of Zidane and a hater of Real, I'm a bit torn by this news. Frankly I think Zidane was wildly overrated as a manager, so getting out now is probably best for him, so that's good. It's also probably best for Real, so that's not so good.
   74. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: May 31, 2018 at 10:11 AM (#5682926)
It's also probably best for Real, so that's not so good.

Depends on who they hire. Sounds like this has caught them flat-footed. Usually they get to plan out the successor and now they have no idea what to do.
   75. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: May 31, 2018 at 10:28 AM (#5682934)
Marco Silva hired by Everton. I like Silva but, man, he's turned a Hull relegation and an at-best mediocre time at Watford into a lot of positive hype. But Everton finally get their man so fair play to them.
   76. vortex of dissipation Posted: May 31, 2018 at 12:37 PM (#5683075)
The USWNT has been strongly dislikeable for a while. Hope Solo going away will help, though. Bandwagoners also don't help matters.


Hope Solo is a major animus of my dislike for the USWNT. She went to my University, and lives in the same town that I do, and is a major embarrassment, on a personal level, to both of them. Even if she's no longer playing for the team, the stench remains...
   77. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: May 31, 2018 at 02:07 PM (#5683150)
Speculation that Zidane is angling for the France national team job. No idea if this is true, but the timing is perfect. It seems like most national team coaches get replaced soon after the WC.
   78. RMc's Daps of the Dope Artists Posted: May 31, 2018 at 02:12 PM (#5683156)
"[Q]uality on-site reporting from Fox" needs to be crossed out a few more times.

Actually, I feel sorry for FOX. Every time an ad for the WC comes on, I always say to the screen, "You poor bastards!"
   79. PepTech, the Legendary Posted: May 31, 2018 at 02:31 PM (#5683185)
Root against Brazil and Germany, because favorites are boring. Root against Portugal because of Ronaldo. Root against France because France. Root for Russia to get blown out by the worst group in recent memory. It's easy to find teams to root against.

Who to root FOR? Iceland is the obvious choice, but they don't really have much of a shot. Belgium or Denmark, to really annoy the French and Germans. Egypt, if you like the Salah story and taking it to Russia. Argentina, if you like the idea of Messi finally winning something, now that everyone's given up on the whole idea.

   80. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: May 31, 2018 at 02:36 PM (#5683194)
Speculation that Zidane is angling for the France national team job.

I would say it's more like France is angling for Zidane. Seems natural for him to do it, though, since he's already done it, really.
   81. strong silence Posted: May 31, 2018 at 02:42 PM (#5683200)
South America still hasn't won in Europe right?

I will likely root for the teams PepTech listed. In addition, I would like a Concacaf team to do well. Today, ESPN pundit Steve Nicol didn't pick any Concacaf team to make it out of the group. I think he is wrong about that.
   82. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: May 31, 2018 at 02:44 PM (#5683201)
I would say it's more like France is angling for Zidane.
Zidane was the one who had to make the decision to quit. The speculation is that the France job potentially being available soon may have influenced that decision. (France could also be angling for Zidane as well, of course.)
   83. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: May 31, 2018 at 02:52 PM (#5683213)
Steve Nicol didn't pick any Concacaf team to make it out of the group. I think he is wrong about that.
It's similar to the NBA thread... Leaving aside that Mexico is a slight favorite over Sweden to advance out of Group F (but still not 50% to make it overall), picking Sweden is defensible since it's pretty close. And certainly the other two Concacaf teams are not among the top two to advance (by betting odds) from their groups. Panama in particular has very low odds of advancing.

However, the chance of at least one of them making it (by current odds) is over 60%.
   84. jmurph Posted: May 31, 2018 at 02:52 PM (#5683215)
South America still hasn't won in Europe right?

I will likely root for the teams PepTech listed. In addition, I would like a Concacaf team to do well.

Throw in the African teams, too. It's easy to find teams to root for in this thing.
   85. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: May 31, 2018 at 02:56 PM (#5683221)
Zidane was the one who had to make the decision to quit.

Right, but I've been seeing that the job he wants is Juventus. I don't think Zidane has a lot of love for the FFF so they will have to go to him with hat in hand. If he takes the France gig he'll be in the middle of the Benzema mess, too, which I doubt he wants. (I still can't believe that's a thing that happened. The NBA twitter-verse is so jealous of that scandal.) Anyway, I take him at his word that he's quitting Real because he's worn out by the job. Three years at Real seems like enough for anybody. One more year and I'm pretty sure he'd try to headbutt that man bun right off of Bale's head.

I took a glance at an English language Real blog and they seem to be ok with Guti getting the job. They want no piece of Arsene Wenger's zippered jacket.
   86. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: May 31, 2018 at 02:59 PM (#5683229)
By the way, is their a cooler guy in sports than Zidane? He's had almost the perfect sporting career. Even his one failure burnished his image.
   87. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: May 31, 2018 at 03:00 PM (#5683231)
Panama has the worst odds of any team to advance out of the group (8% or so). Costa Rica is 5th-worst (ahead of South Korea, Iran and Saudi Arabia). To be fair, Costa Rica's in a bunch of 5 or so teams with similar (low) odds of advancing, but behind all of them except South Korea. Costa Rica has a very hard group.
   88. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: May 31, 2018 at 03:05 PM (#5683237)
Looking very likely that Mousa Dembele will be going to Inter. I understand it but it still bums me out. I was on Team Dembele when a majority of Spurs fans were giving him shit even though they won't admit it now. I'll miss him just shrugging fools off the ball for fun.
   89. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: May 31, 2018 at 03:05 PM (#5683238)

Right, but I've been seeing that the job he wants is Juventus.
Heh. Hadn't seen that. Speaking of betting odds, the current line on Zidane heading Juve and FFF are similar (with FFF having the slight edge).
   90. spivey Posted: May 31, 2018 at 04:06 PM (#5683341)
I thought in 2016-2017 Dembele was probably the worst starting player for Tottenham. Now, granted that was a very good team that led the league in goals scored and fewest goals allowed. This season the fullbacks and midfield went to ####, along with some other up and down play. And Moussa I think played a lot better.

Why is he going to Italy, exactly? I feel like I'd heard rumors on Juve which makes sense as you'll win trophies. What's Inter's draw over Spurs? Is it just they'll give him a contract Spurs won't?
   91. jmurph Posted: May 31, 2018 at 04:31 PM (#5683378)
Guardian sport
@guardian_sport
Chelsea tell Maurizio Sarri they will not pay Napoli release clause. @domfifield https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/may/31/chelsea-maurizio-sarri-napoli-release-clause?CMP=share_btn_tw … #CFC
   92. spivey Posted: May 31, 2018 at 07:04 PM (#5683447)
If Chelsea Football Club were to fall apart, I would be quite giddy. I imagine they've been good enough, long enough, to where there's real value in the team now and they could be sold to another billionaire type.
   93. Count Vorror Rairol Mencoon (CoB) Posted: May 31, 2018 at 07:08 PM (#5683448)
Chelsea tell Maurizio Sarri they will not pay Napoli release clause


From what I've read, the explicit clause expires tomorrow, so of course Chelsea won't pay it, but it appears that there will still have to be some sort of release negotiated.

From the Graun:


That clause expires at midnight on Thursday but, once that deadline passes, the fee to secure Sarri will have to be determined via negotiation. With relations between the Napoli owner, Aurelio De Laurentiis, and Sarri so fractured, the 59-year-old manager has been left in limbo. Napoli are aggressively seeking hefty compensation and his potential new club are far from inclined to pay.


But yes, as a Spurs fan, I'm all for "humiliations galore" for Chelsea ...
   94. Count Vorror Rairol Mencoon (CoB) Posted: May 31, 2018 at 07:17 PM (#5683451)
Is it just they'll give him a contract Spurs won't?


Pretty much. He's basically said he won't be without pain until he stops playing, so this is very likely his last contract and Spurs (quite rightly, IMHO, though I love when The Moose gets loose) won't give him the money/years in an extension.

   95. Richard Posted: May 31, 2018 at 09:22 PM (#5683541)
South America still hasn't won in Europe right?


They have once: Brazil won in 1958 in Sweden.
   96. spivey Posted: May 31, 2018 at 10:23 PM (#5683614)
I'm very interested to see what the starting lineups of various teams are in the WC.

For example, I think Firmino should be a lock starter up top for Brazil with Jesus getting maybe 20-30minutes a game. Firmino is the perfect kind to striker to play alongside Neymar and whichever other winger type they want. Their players play all over the world that I'm curious to see what shakes out.

For Germany, I think I'd just straight hand Ozil's spot to Reus. He's better, and I'd rather have Sane in the side than Ozil, flat out. I'd also be finding a way to get Gundoghan into the side. I love Khedira as well, but I think I'd take Gundo over him. Maybe rotate those minutes early and see who fits better with the team. This may also be blasphemy given how well Muller has played in World Cups, but I may not start him either. I dunno, I guess I would, probably. But he's been down the last 2 years. For a few years there he was more "This guys is awkward as #### and not very technical, but #### it, he scores bunches of goals." Now, it's more "Eh, this guy's kind of awkward and 12 goals/season (his average total the last 2 years) isn't really that much for a guy that plays secondary striker for Bayern and starts the majority of matches.

For France, it seems like most of their guys in midfield and above (who I've seen much of, to be fair) are one-way offense only types. Who get picked and how much is Kante left on an island.
   97. Count Vorror Rairol Mencoon (CoB) Posted: June 01, 2018 at 12:11 AM (#5683804)
Speaking of managers going places, the latest on Poch/Real/Spurs from CFC:


Mauricio Pochettino is apparently Real Madrid chairman Florentino Perez’s top target to replace Zinedine Zidane as manager, but even if Pochettino gets his head turned, Daniel Levy isn’t going to make it easy.

According to Matt Hughes in the Times, Tottenham Hotspur would demand a full buyout of Pochettino’s new contract, which he just signed last week, costing the La Liga giants £42.5m to pry him out of North London. And that’s if Levy even gives Pochettino permission to speak with Madrid, which given the timing of Zidane’s resignation and Poch’s new contract, is not at all a given.

Despite speculation to the contrary, Pochettino’s new contract reportedly does NOT include a clause that would allow him to speak with representatives from Real Madrid or PSG in the event of a managerial opening. Those rumors apparently emerged out of the Spanish media, and the club has gone to great pains to dispel those allegations. That gives Spurs a great deal of leverage when it comes to negotiating with any manager who would make an approach. £42.5m is a LOT of money for a manager who, despite what he’s done with Tottenham, has never won any silverware as a manager at any level.
   98. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: June 01, 2018 at 09:57 AM (#5683884)
This might be foolish, but I'm not worried at all about Poch leaving this summer. Eventually it will happen, it always happens unless your Alex Ferguson. But, naw, not this year unless Real want to ship Kovacic, Modric and Bale to Spurs AND pay a good chunk of their salaries. That's a thought experiment--would Spurs be better off with those three and losing Poch and hiring someone like Laurent Blanc?

Arsenal are trying to sign Ousmane Dembele from Barcelona, presumably on loan since he would cost more than Arsenal's reported transfer budget. They continue to try to get the Dortmund band back together. Also, supposedly Man U have inquired about Bale. I can see that one happening if Bale wants it to. Sounds like Man U are getting serious about it.
   99. spivey Posted: June 01, 2018 at 10:15 AM (#5683904)
Tottenham would be way better with those 3 players and without Poch. Tottenham is a big deal now and will continue to be a big deal if they keep bolstering their team with World Class talent. If they lost Poch for whatever reason, I'd want them to go get the Napoli guy. I would want massive compensation if they were to lose Poch, though. I'm sure Tottenham feels the same.
   100. Textbook Editor Posted: June 01, 2018 at 01:31 PM (#5684092)
While I know, I know--it's REAL MADRID!--the thing about those jobs is that you basically have a 3 year run (at best) and then get bounced and then (probably) kick around the rest of your career going job to job...

And while I may have drunk the Kool-Aid here, Tottenham really is sort of set up to have an extended run, more $ at its disposal, etc., etc. There's something to be said about being a god at one club over, say, a Rafa Benitez-like existence. (Which is NOT to disparage Rafa in any way, or his achievements as a manager; it's just that it's rare to have the chance Poch has--to stick for an extended time at one club).

I suppose I fall into the probably-naive "I think he stays" camp...

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