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Tuesday, May 29, 2018

OT: Soccer Thread (World Cup)

We’ve gotten through Champions League and most of the relegation/promotion stuff so we may as well focus on the World Cup. And what a World Cup, Buffon playing his sixth, Pulisic making his WC debut, quality on-site reporting from Fox and two time Copa America champs Chile just part of what should make for an amazing tournament!  Plus of course the the family-friendly, inclusive atmosphere sure to be fostered by the Russians.

Group A - Russia, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Uruguay
Group B - Portugal, Spain, Morocco, Iran
Group C - France, Australia, Peru, Denmark
Group D - Argentina, Iceland, Croatia, Nigeria
Group E - Brazil, Switzerland, Costa Rica, Serbia
Group F - Germany, Mexico, Sweden, South Korea
Group G - Belgium, Panama, Tunisia, England
Group H - Poland, Senegal, Colombia, Japan

Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: May 29, 2018 at 09:57 AM | 3354 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   201. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: June 14, 2018 at 11:23 AM (#5692048)

Then an obvious and easy offside call missed by the linesman who was more than 5 yards away from the play... luckily did not result in a goal.


And the announcers immediately give the excuse about the ARs being told to keep the flag down if they have a doubt and let VAR sort it out. Replay wheeeeeee!!!
   202. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: June 14, 2018 at 11:29 AM (#5692057)
So like every single one of these Russians have to be doped to the gills, right? That goes double for all of them that play in the Russian league.
   203. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: June 14, 2018 at 11:36 AM (#5692064)
All of them do play in the Russian league, except Denis Cheryshev and the third-string keeper.
   204. Fernigal McGunnigle Posted: June 14, 2018 at 11:46 AM (#5692081)
I understand and will not attempt to dissuade anyone from a boycott, but unless I'm very confused, the bills are all paid at this point, right? Or the ink is dry on the contracts, at least. I'm not sure ratings impact anything other than the next TV rights sale in 6 or 8 years or whenever Fox's deal is up.
Oh, of course. And it's even stupider, in that I don't have a TV, so a "boycott" means that I'm not going to sit in a bar and watch, and I'm not going to run an illegal stream. The only people who suffer are the bar up the street and the Bitcoin miners who miss an opportunity to inject some malicious code.
   205. I am going to be Frank Posted: June 14, 2018 at 12:10 PM (#5692104)
Wel crappier ratings means less revenue to the tv networks. If fox loses enough money maybe they won’t ever bid for soccer ever again. That’s something.
   206. jmurph Posted: June 14, 2018 at 12:18 PM (#5692110)
Wel crappier ratings means less revenue to the tv networks. If fox loses enough money maybe they won’t ever bid for soccer ever again. That’s something.

But not really to the first part, right? I assume those ads are sold. Maybe less ad revenue in 2022, I guess?
   207. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: June 14, 2018 at 12:31 PM (#5692120)
Russia will want to run up the score. There's a decent chance they could finish level on points with either Egypt or Uruguay (though most likely it would be Egypt for 2nd place and Uruguay for group winner).

This is especially important to do in a group with one very bad team (like this one), due to the WC tiebreaking method that uses all group games.
   208. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: June 14, 2018 at 12:39 PM (#5692126)
Also, Bruce Arenas was on Hang Up and Listen's podcast

Is that spin-off of Shut Up and Dribble?
   209. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: June 14, 2018 at 12:47 PM (#5692137)
Russia will want to run up the score. There's a decent chance they could finish level on points with either Egypt or Uruguay (though most likely it would be Egypt for 2nd place and Uruguay for group winner).


Yeah, it's kind of terrifying what Uruguay might be able to do to these guys.
   210. I am going to be Frank Posted: June 14, 2018 at 12:50 PM (#5692139)
I think every advertiser, especially for expensive events, has a minimum rating number and if that number is not passed they get “make good” ads which means they will get the ad ran some other time for free or at a reduced rate.
   211. jmurph Posted: June 14, 2018 at 12:53 PM (#5692143)
I think every advertiser, especially for expensive events, has a minimum rating number and if that number is not passed they get “make good” ads which means they will get the ad ran some other time for free or at a reduced rate.

Ahh interesting, good to know.
   212. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: June 14, 2018 at 12:57 PM (#5692147)
538's odds are finally out (dunno why they took so long). They are actually quite similar to betting odds and ELO, with a few exceptions. One of the exceptions is they had Saudi Arabia as a team with a typically bad chance to advance (about 1 in 6), whereas betting odds had them at half that at best. Saudi Arabia has looked pretty terrible today.

The 538 odds seem a bit unstable still (maybe they are still working on the methodology?)--many of the group odds have moved since yesterday even though nothing has changed.

   213. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: June 14, 2018 at 01:55 PM (#5692202)
Sincere question from someone who watches almost zero soccer outside WC. What is the animus against Fox broadcasting the WC? Is it purely the Fox News affiliation? Is it the on-air talent/production of soccer? Was Espn's coverage somehow better? I've found Fox Sports to be quite good at advancing certain production elements, such as golf, despite the weak on air golf talent, and definitely football during the 90s. I guess I'm also asking, who's good at producing/broadcasting soccer?

note: I hate Joe Buck too.
   214. jmurph Posted: June 14, 2018 at 01:59 PM (#5692209)
who's good at producing/broadcasting soccer?

NBC with the Premier League. Their talking heads are knowledgeable and non-hot takey. No gimmicks.
   215. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: June 14, 2018 at 02:07 PM (#5692221)
Sincere question from someone who watches almost zero soccer outside WC. What is the animus against Fox broadcasting the WC? Is it purely the Fox News affiliation? Is it the on-air talent/production of soccer? Was Espn's coverage somehow better? I've found Fox Sports to be quite good at advancing certain production elements, such as golf, despite the weak on air golf talent, and definitely football during the 90s. I guess I'm also asking, who's good at producing/broadcasting soccer?


Fox is bad at broadcasting soccer (as they are at many sports). It is particularly glaring when you compare their coverage with the work NBC does week in week out with the EPL. The big thing that strikes me is Fox' complete lack of respect for the viewer. Just two examples; a few years ago they hired Gus Johnson as their lead Champions League announcer solely on the basis of name recognition. His soccer background was minimal and he demonstrated that regularly before getting the boot. Contrast this with the absolutely terrific team NBCSN rolled out; Arlo White, Jon Champion, etc...

Secondly is for the World Cup the majority of coverage is being done in the studio in the US. They aren't bothering sending most of their announcers to Russia. This seems to be a cost-cutting measure in the wake of the US failure which I get but it still rankles.

Just generally Fox is bad at sports coverage. Based on the sports I watch NBC is first and Fox and ESPN are last. As jmurph says, NBC doesn't do gimmicky, they do straight up coverage.
   216. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: June 14, 2018 at 02:11 PM (#5692225)
Yeah, NBC is light years ahead of Fox. Just had my Bloomberg rep in the office and it turns out he's a big Arsenal fan. I very much enjoyed busting his balls.
   217. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: June 14, 2018 at 02:56 PM (#5692267)
Thank you. I assumed NBCSN was tops, as they are terrific with hockey, IMO, much better than ESPN was. Glad they are also taking over IndyCar coverage next year.
   218. Sean Forman Posted: June 14, 2018 at 04:33 PM (#5692358)
I assume that Fox is just broadcasting the FIFA feed right? So the camera work isn't their doing, but I also don't like their pbp guys much.
   219. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: June 14, 2018 at 04:45 PM (#5692366)
Yeah but besides the camera work and the commentary it's a terrific broadcast.
   220. Count Vorror Rairol Mencoon (CoB) Posted: June 14, 2018 at 04:47 PM (#5692369)
I am excited that TBS has the rights to the CL starting next year, hopefully they are closer to NBC's PL coverage than what FOX has managed.

Next, somehow, somebody has to get La Liga away from BeIN ...
   221. jmurph Posted: June 14, 2018 at 05:10 PM (#5692391)
Next, somehow, somebody has to get La Liga away from BeIN ...

Serie A is up for grabs, but no news yet. I'm hoping NBC or ESPN, anything but BeIn.
   222. Howie Menckel Posted: June 14, 2018 at 09:42 PM (#5692541)
NJ Gov Murphy placed the first-ever legal sports bet at Monmouth Park this morning - $20 on Germany to win the World Cup. coincidentally, he served four years as US Ambassador to Germany.

his second bet was $20 on the Devils to win the Stanley Cup. then he claimed he next was headed down to The Borgata casino in Atlantic City to plunk $20 down on the Mets to win tonight.
   223. Panik on the streets of London (Trout! Trout!) Posted: June 14, 2018 at 09:46 PM (#5692543)
he next was headed down to The Borgata casino in Atlantic City to plunk $20 down on the Mets to win tonight.


talk about wasteful government spending
   224. Textbook Editor Posted: June 14, 2018 at 10:06 PM (#5692549)
Fox is bad at broadcasting soccer (as they are at many sports).


Exhibit A, from today's match: the graphic showing the final score and who scored the goals listed the goal scorers in alphabetical order instead of the order (by time) in which the goals were scored.

See, it's bullshit like that that makes Fox strictly bush league when it comes to broadcasting. I'm sure someone thought they were being "disruptive" with that graphic, when in fact they were just being ####### stupid.
   225. Omineca Greg Posted: June 14, 2018 at 10:12 PM (#5692552)
So like every single one of these Russians have to be doped to the gills, right?

Бегущая собака империалистических янки

Российские спортсмены не владеют жабрами.

Жабры - это то, что есть у рыб

Российские спортсмены - это млекопитающие, а не рыба

У всех млекопитающих есть соски

У российских спортсменов есть лекарства вплоть до их титьки

Распространяйте свою ложь о наших жабрах где-то в другом месте
   226. Textbook Editor Posted: June 14, 2018 at 11:33 PM (#5692571)

Очень смешно, товарищ
   227. Count Vorror Rairol Mencoon (CoB) Posted: June 15, 2018 at 02:24 AM (#5692606)
Hey, MCoA got a link at The Ringer!
   228. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: June 15, 2018 at 07:53 AM (#5692622)
Salah on the bench. I don't understand--Ramos said he could play.

I don't expect this to be close. Egypt without Salah is not good.
   229. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: June 15, 2018 at 08:49 AM (#5692632)
So far so good for Egypt. I'm sure they'll take that 45.
   230. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: June 15, 2018 at 08:50 AM (#5692634)
Quite a snoozer. I literally (literally!) could not stay awake until my wife made me coffee. Credit to Egypt's fans for being very into it, anyway. Lots of giveaways. Uruguay's offense looks poor and without ideas. Best chance came to Suarez who put into the side netting. Godin is so annoyed he is starting to play offense.

Egypt did about as much going forward as you would expect, without Salah. Not much, but more than nothing. Neither goalkeeper was tested.
   231. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: June 15, 2018 at 09:07 AM (#5692639)
My apologies, Comrade Greg. You are correct, they are roided to the tits, not the gills.

Egypt getting a point off Uruguay would be huge. If they can get to five points they're pretty much guaranteed to advance, and I don't see them losing to Saudi Arabia.
   232. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: June 15, 2018 at 09:34 AM (#5692653)
Suarez blows his third good chance of the match. To be fair, the GK made a very good save on the second one, and played it decently there as well. Egypt finally had a shot that gave Muslera a little to think about.
   233. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: June 15, 2018 at 09:42 AM (#5692658)
Game opening up. Egypt had two chances on the break, but couldn't get a decent shot either time. They needed Salah. Won't come in now though, as Egypt has used all their subs. Must be a coaches' decision, because Dr. Sergio assured us he was healthy.
   234. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: June 15, 2018 at 09:43 AM (#5692659)
What a save.
   235. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: June 15, 2018 at 09:52 AM (#5692664)
Heartbreak for Egypt, who played bravely. Still, despite Uruguay generally being poor, in the end they had a number of good chances so will be deserved winners.

Egypt isn't done yet. If they have Salah at near full strength they have a decent chance of beating Russia.
   236. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: June 15, 2018 at 09:56 AM (#5692666)
Suarez should thank his teammates after this one. If Uruguay hadn't scored he would have been the goat for sure.
   237. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: June 15, 2018 at 10:04 AM (#5692677)
So realistically Group A is going to be decided in the second match day with Russia playing Egypt right? Given the goal difference I suspect Russia will do with a draw.

Oh nice. The day Portugal plays Spain the Spanish authorities hand down a 2 year (suspended) prison term and $22 million penalty to Ronaldo. I'm sure that's a coincidence of timing.
   238. J. Sosa Posted: June 15, 2018 at 10:31 AM (#5692710)
Never change Luis. Flopping and flailing as if shot while simultaneously attempting to hit an opponent in the groin. He is just about done though. The past season or two he has dropped off a cliff.

Too bad for Egypt. I thought they did pretty well all things considered. With Salah I think they would have felt really good about advancing. Without Salah though they are going to need to scrape one against Russia. I’ve never bought the propoganda that Salah was fit. Klopp said it was a bad injury from the outset. Given what was reported at the time I had thought it would be medically irresponsible for him to play in the group stage. Maybe he gives it a go against Russia but given it was still bad enough to keep him out the whole match today that isn’t promising.
   239. PreservedFish Posted: June 15, 2018 at 10:36 AM (#5692714)
I don't get why the talking heads all thought that Uruguay played so poorly. They dominated possession, created a bunch of really good chances. If Suarez dinks one or two of those in, the entire story would be different.
   240. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: June 15, 2018 at 10:36 AM (#5692715)
I don't know that him sitting the whole match today is definitive. This group has always been set for Russia/Egypt to be the big game. The fact that Egypt was playing Uruguay to a standstill for 89 minutes probably had them thinking to just hold steady and try to ride their way to a point. They came up short but still a 1-0 loss has Egypt in good shape. If you assume they beat the Saudis it's really all down to the Russia game. If I only had 30 or so minutes in the group stage from Salah I'd want to make sure I took it in that match.
   241. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: June 15, 2018 at 10:59 AM (#5692743)
I don't get why the talking heads all thought that Uruguay played so poorly. They dominated possession, created a bunch of really good chances. If Suarez dinks one or two of those in, the entire story would be different.
They created almost nothing in the first half, and the score was nil-nil until late. The story had already been written in the minds of the talking heads.

Agree that by the end of it they were deserved winners, but overall they need to play better than that to advance past the first knock-out game.
   242. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: June 15, 2018 at 11:19 AM (#5692765)
Also it was Egypt. For a team that fancies itself a semi-finalist if not more they need to play better than that. At the same time like in tennis the best teams often start a bit slow. In 2010 Spain lost to Switzerland in their first game and that worked out.
   243. J. Sosa Posted: June 15, 2018 at 11:20 AM (#5692766)
Sure, but if we are at 30 minutes of Salah fitness levels he isn’t going to be SALAH!!!!! anyway. Salah isn’t just some dude. It would be like if Wales made the worldcup and used Bale as a super sub for a total of 30 minutes in the group stage. He’s THE man. There are only three guaranteed matches this cycle and no guarantee of any next cycle. This is it. He didn’t play. Very difficult to say that is anything other than a very bad sign as to his health.
   244. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: June 15, 2018 at 11:44 AM (#5692794)
Agree with Sosa here actually. I think Salah might be much worse off than Egypt has been letting on.
   245. Count Vorror Rairol Mencoon (CoB) Posted: June 15, 2018 at 12:36 PM (#5692819)
What the #### is wrong with these trainers for Morroco?

Amrabat's obviously concussed. His head hit the ground directly and they're slapping him and squirting water in his face like this is 1950?

[edit] Thankfully, he's come off, that was ugly for a while.
   246. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: June 15, 2018 at 12:52 PM (#5692827)
I haven't been able to watch much of this game, but I see it is still scoreless. Morocco was a popular dark (very dark) horse. If they can't beat Iran it's basically over for them.
   247. Count Vorror Rairol Mencoon (CoB) Posted: June 15, 2018 at 01:01 PM (#5692831)
I haven't been able to watch much of this game, but I see it is still scoreless. Morocco was a popular dark (very dark) horse. If they can't beat Iran it's basically over for them.


1-0, Iran wins it.
   248. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: June 15, 2018 at 01:09 PM (#5692837)
Yes, so much for that. Morocco was always overblown I think.

What that also means is that this game this afternoon will almost certainly decide the group.

edit: MCoA actually has Iran with a better xG than Morocco, 0.6 (not including the own goal) to 0.5.
   249. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: June 15, 2018 at 02:01 PM (#5692873)
Sure, but if we are at 30 minutes of Salah fitness levels he isn’t going to be SALAH!!!!! anyway. Salah isn’t just some dude. It would be like if Wales made the worldcup and used Bale as a super sub for a total of 30 minutes in the group stage. He’s THE man. There are only three guaranteed matches this cycle and no guarantee of any next cycle. This is it. He didn’t play. Very difficult to say that is anything other than a very bad sign as to his health.


Agreed, but 75% of Salah is still probably the best Egypt has to offer. I wouldn't be surprised if he is much worse off than they are letting on though.
   250. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: June 15, 2018 at 02:02 PM (#5692875)

Amrabat's obviously concussed. His head hit the ground directly and they're slapping him and squirting water in his face like this is 1950?


Thank you for this. I was watching in a crowded room without audio and I convinced myself I couldn't possibly be seeing what I thought I was seeing. That was insanity.
   251. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: June 15, 2018 at 02:03 PM (#5692877)
Of course the first VAR decision involves him.
   252. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: June 15, 2018 at 02:05 PM (#5692880)
I think Ronaldo got lucky that Ramos made contact. It looked to me like he was already going down when his foot hit Ramos' thigh.
   253. Textbook Editor Posted: June 15, 2018 at 02:12 PM (#5692890)
But what on earth is the defender doing there, giving him any opportunity at all to get grazed and go down?

Ugh. I absolutely hate Ronaldo with the fire of 1,000 suns.
   254. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: June 15, 2018 at 02:19 PM (#5692898)
Defender has to be there. You have to be tight to the attacking player if he's in the box, he just fell for Ronaldo's dipsy doodle move and got beaten.
   255. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: June 15, 2018 at 02:19 PM (#5692899)
Honestly, I'm happier seeing Ramos #### up than I am seeing Ronaldo get rewarded for being a jackass. #### Sergio Ramos until the heat death of the universe.
   256. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: June 15, 2018 at 02:22 PM (#5692901)
I think I was wrong, it was Nacho not Ramos who committed the foul.

You are right about Ramos of course and no team that employs Diego Costa ever gets to complain about anything.

Oh that has to be a first touch shot there.
   257. I am going to be Frank Posted: June 15, 2018 at 02:25 PM (#5692904)
That was nacho who stuck his leg out, right?

Portugal shouldn’t be able to look this good against Spain, but they need to finish those counters. Ronaldo is so hard to root for but man when he wants to play it’s great to watch.

I can’t believe they can’t find anyone better than fonte and Pepe. Costa lives!
   258. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: June 15, 2018 at 02:25 PM (#5692905)
Heh. Speak of the devil. That was the type of play that shows Costa at his best, to be fair.
   259. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: June 15, 2018 at 02:27 PM (#5692909)
oh man. This game has already had everything. Except a Ramos red.
   260. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: June 15, 2018 at 02:30 PM (#5692912)
Man, there are so many players on these teams that I outright despise and Diego Costa is one of them, but that was a nice goal.
   261. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: June 15, 2018 at 02:30 PM (#5692913)
60 minutes and change to go, I like Sergio's chances.
   262. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: June 15, 2018 at 02:30 PM (#5692914)
Yeah, Costa is a POS but he is also one hell of a finisher.
   263. I am going to be Frank Posted: June 15, 2018 at 02:45 PM (#5692930)
Man de gea just isn’t good for the national team.
   264. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: June 15, 2018 at 02:46 PM (#5692933)
Man de gea just isn’t good for the national team.

Playing in England for so long has rubbed off on him.
   265. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: June 15, 2018 at 02:53 PM (#5692944)
Defender has to be there. You have to be tight to the attacking player if he's in the box, he just fell for Ronaldo's dipsy doodle move and got beaten.

He has to be there, he doesn't have to stick his foot in. If you go for the ball in that area you cannot miss. It is not that dangerous of a situation. You can lead Ronaldo down the edge of the penalty box, and make it difficult for him to square the ball back. He has maybe a 5% chance to score from that spot. You can't stick your foot in and make it 75%.
   266. Count Vorror Rairol Mencoon (CoB) Posted: June 15, 2018 at 03:13 PM (#5692966)
As I have said before, Diego Costa should have been the villain in a Sergio Leone western ...
   267. Count Vorror Rairol Mencoon (CoB) Posted: June 15, 2018 at 03:13 PM (#5692968)
[edit] Double post.
   268. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: June 15, 2018 at 03:14 PM (#5692969)
Should 266 say, "As I will say again..."?
   269. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: June 15, 2018 at 03:16 PM (#5692975)
Wow that was a bomb.
   270. Count Vorror Rairol Mencoon (CoB) Posted: June 15, 2018 at 03:16 PM (#5692976)
3-2.

Fun game, finally ...

(not this game, but finally, a fun game)
   271. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: June 15, 2018 at 03:17 PM (#5692978)
That was such amazing contact by Nacho on a ball that was spinning towards him.
   272. I am going to be Frank Posted: June 15, 2018 at 03:18 PM (#5692980)
I demand Ricardo quaresma
   273. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: June 15, 2018 at 03:48 PM (#5693004)
Finally a nice free kick by Ronaldo. The BBC guys were saying you can't go over the wall from that spot, but I don't think that is really true--we've seen it before though admittedly it is hard from that close. That ball actually looks like it would have gone over the wall. It was certainly close.

Spain has been the clearly better team today, but a draw would mean that all of the other group games are likely to matter, if only for GD.
   274. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: June 15, 2018 at 03:54 PM (#5693008)
Well, I managed to keep my boycott through that one. I think I'm going to do this!
   275. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: June 15, 2018 at 04:01 PM (#5693010)
That was a hell of a game. I can't imagine we will get a better game this tournament.
   276. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: June 15, 2018 at 04:10 PM (#5693017)
xG has Portugal with 0.5 xG (plus the penalty). They really didn't have that much going forward.
   277. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: June 16, 2018 at 06:14 AM (#5693269)
Last clean sheet for Australia was against Chile in 1974. They gave up 9 goals in 2014, 6 in 2010, 6 in 2006 (one in the QFs against Italy). The only other WC they made was all the way back in 194, where, while they did keep a clean sheet against Chile, they actually couldn't score a single goal, losing to both East and West Germany in shutouts. So, one clean sheet in 13 games.
   278. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: June 16, 2018 at 06:51 AM (#5693274)
France started strong but then ran out of ideas, seemingly. Not a good first half performance. Best chance was actually for Australia on a set piece that came off of the French defender and forced Loris into a good save.

France seems to have at least 2 big problems so far. They don't have a good plan for how to get through a packed defense... after the first 15 minutes (when France looked very dangerous) the best looks came from a couple of hopeful Pogba passes over the entire defense, that, despite their quality, would have taken near brilliance to convert. The second biggest problem is that they are leaving Australia so much time on the ball to kick it around in the back, which has the effect of shortening the game by reducing the overall possessions/chances for France and letting Australia conserve energy.

   279. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: June 16, 2018 at 07:14 AM (#5693276)
VAR! Oh man a soft penalty on a VAR review. I really do not like it. What a joke. I hate that call live though you could perhaps forgive a ref for calling it as its hard to see way down the field. I REALLY hate it on review. WTF.
   280. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: June 16, 2018 at 07:31 AM (#5693278)
The only other WC they made was all the way back in 194

I like to think this was not a typo, and Australia was participating in a World Cup about 1500 years before being discovered. Probably just randomly showed up in the Colosseum like a bunch of ubiquitous Aussie tourists, and nobody stopped them.
   281. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: June 16, 2018 at 07:40 AM (#5693279)
Forgot to click submit on this: Umtiti lost his mind, seemingly intentionally handling a cross in the box without much pressure. Penalty Australia. 1-1.

Pogba a nice run with a couple one-two passes, including one to newly inserted Giroud, gets a second well-played goal... except it actually came off the defender. 2-1.
   282. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: June 16, 2018 at 08:02 AM (#5693280)
Watching the penalty on replay again it looked like the only contact was on Griezman's trailing heel basically after the play, after the ball had gone. To me that's not a penalty.
   283. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: June 16, 2018 at 08:04 AM (#5693281)
Pogba didn't have a great game, but he was one of the few players trying to play creative passes. They need him.
   284. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: June 16, 2018 at 08:50 AM (#5693288)
Pundits are saying that Griezmann would have controlled the ball ("had complete control of the ball" they say) without the contact. I very much doubt that. It looked gone to me... and at any rate it was not nearly within his complete control.
   285. I am going to be Frank Posted: June 16, 2018 at 09:06 AM (#5693292)
Was it soft? Probably, but if that happens in the middle of the field that’s a foul 99 out 100 times.
   286. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: June 16, 2018 at 09:20 AM (#5693297)
C'mon you Vikes!
   287. ckash Posted: June 16, 2018 at 09:25 AM (#5693299)
There's the Caballero we know and love [sarcasm font]
   288. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: June 16, 2018 at 09:39 AM (#5693302)
So is anyone not from Argentina rooting for Argentina? Because how could you go against Argentine?
   289. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: June 16, 2018 at 09:44 AM (#5693303)
Was it soft? Probably, but if that happens in the middle of the field that’s a foul 99 out 100 times.
Maybe 90 times out of 100. It's irrelevant though... there has always been a different standard inside the box, for good reason. If that changes because of VAR the sport will be worse for it.

edit: for example, that handball by the Iceland defender is a foul 80 times out of 100 outside the box.
   290. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: June 16, 2018 at 09:48 AM (#5693304)
Surprising number of chances for Iceland in that first half.
   291. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: June 16, 2018 at 10:00 AM (#5693305)
Iceland, how could you go against Iceland.

And yeah, that would have been a foul outside the box but it clearly shouldn't have been a penalty, there was no intention. Kinda surprised it wasn't an indirect free kick
   292. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: June 16, 2018 at 10:25 AM (#5693309)
Wow, Messi. You gotta convert that.
   293. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: June 16, 2018 at 10:37 AM (#5693313)
And that one's a foul 75 times out of 100 in the middle of the field. Maybe more.

edit: that one in the corner of the Iceland box, where the offensive player's leg was clipped.
   294. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: June 16, 2018 at 11:01 AM (#5693321)
Iceland has a real chance to make it out of the group.
   295. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: June 16, 2018 at 11:08 AM (#5693322)
xG has the game as almost a draw (aside from the missed penalty). Argentina didn't do enough going forward to guarantee a victory, but more worrying might be how they allowed Iceland 0.9 xG at the other end. Almost all of that must have been in the first half, where Iceland arguably had the better of the chances.
   296. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: June 16, 2018 at 11:30 AM (#5693330)
France only having 51% possession is a joke.
   297. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: June 16, 2018 at 11:43 AM (#5693335)
France basically didn't press at all. They let Australia hold onto the ball for significant stretches. In the end, they were very lucky to win because they didn't push the issue and assert their vast superiority with or without the ball. I would call it a coaching failure bailed out mostly by luck.

I have been rooting for France to go far into the tournament, but that game sure was not promising.
   298. I am going to be Frank Posted: June 16, 2018 at 11:56 AM (#5693338)
I know it’s a different standard in the box, but once you have VAR, and it goes to review it has to be a penalty.
   299. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: June 16, 2018 at 12:10 PM (#5693344)
I know it’s a different standard in the box, but once you have VAR, and it goes to review it has to be a penalty.
That's a serious problem then. We had multiple fouls in the Iceland game that would have been penalties under that standard, if reviewed by VAR. We just had another one in the Denmark box.

edit: also, the field ref apparently had to decide (because the video came back to him) that he made a "clear and obvious error", which he wasn't obliged to do on that play.
   300. I am going to be Frank Posted: June 16, 2018 at 12:15 PM (#5693347)
I don’t disagree. Tons of unintended consequences and I don’t think the powers that be fully thought it through.

Not knowing anything about Peru, I would think the.danes should hold possession better. Not the case so far. The Peruvians do need to stop taking all these long shots.
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