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Monday, February 24, 2014

OT: The NHL is finally back thread, part 2

Now that the Olympics are over it’s time for the important Hockey to restart.

odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: February 24, 2014 at 05:54 PM | 984 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   201. zack Posted: April 23, 2014 at 09:51 PM (#4692773)
Flop.

Dave Strader is an OK hockey PBP guy, but, at least in the Blues-Hawks series, he is constantly mis-identifying players.
   202. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: April 23, 2014 at 09:52 PM (#4692778)
I have long believed that teams whose success is built on a strong power play tend to underachieve in the playoffs. I just spent the last 15 minutes superficially glancing over the records from the past ten years to see if it's really true (I just checked the playoff results for each of the top five teams in PP% each year).

It's not. Teams with strong power plays overachieve, underachieve, or lose right when they're supposed to in the playoffs in pretty much equal proportions. It looks like power play teams do tend to lose disproportionately to penalty kill teams even when the power play team performed better overall, but the sample I looked at is of nowhere near sufficient size to mean anything.

You all probably already knew this.
   203. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: April 23, 2014 at 09:56 PM (#4692785)
In the Pittsburgh-Columbus series, the theme has been that the team that falls behind 3-1 wins.

Clearly this means Columbus must lay down in overtime here, thus falling behind 3-1 in the series, thus ensuring eventual victory. Q.E.D.
   204. SteveF Posted: April 23, 2014 at 10:02 PM (#4692794)
That was a real softy.
   205. zack Posted: April 23, 2014 at 10:02 PM (#4692796)
Well, as I just mentioned on the last page, I don't think PP% is a great way to do that study, there's too much noise there. So it's not surprising that it tells you nothing.
   206. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: April 23, 2014 at 10:10 PM (#4692804)
Does ott offer anything to the blues other then being a fighter
   207. zack Posted: April 23, 2014 at 10:16 PM (#4692815)
He's part of the ex-Dallas, ex-useful contingent on the Blues.

This is the first period of the series where the Blackhawks have actually looked like the Blackhawks.
   208. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: April 23, 2014 at 10:27 PM (#4692831)
The blues tried to play more of a skill game it looked like. If they keep it up the hawks def will win. No one has better skill players then they do.
   209. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: April 23, 2014 at 10:51 PM (#4692850)
Not sure if shaw deserved a penelty there oh well at least the pk playing likenits last year is a good thing.
   210. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: April 23, 2014 at 10:58 PM (#4692856)
I award that dive a 2.3
   211. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: April 23, 2014 at 10:58 PM (#4692857)
You hit it exactly zack, Cooke got 7 games.

The annual April tradition of blaming Marc-Andre Fleury for the Penguins' slow, lazy and stupid defense is back and stronger than ever!

I'll keep repeating it until most of you put me on ignore, probably: The Penguins need to fire Shero and then give Letang to whoever is willing to absorb the most of his contract, eating the rest. With preference to trading him to a division rival if possible. They would be better off releasing him tomorrow and paying him $50 million to submarine the Rangers' defense than they are paying him $50 million to submarine their own.
   212. steagles Posted: April 23, 2014 at 11:10 PM (#4692864)
The annual April tradition of blaming Marc-Andre Fleury for the Penguins' slow, lazy and stupid defense is back and stronger than ever!
seriously? did you even watch that overtime? all 3 minutes of it?

also, columbus doesn't tie the game if not for fleury's misadventures in behind the net puckhandling.

feel free to blame letang, but fleury blew the game.
   213. zack Posted: April 23, 2014 at 11:12 PM (#4692866)
WHAT A ####### PASS! Literally from dot to dot.

I really hate goalie chants. If you do that, you're a nimrod. That goal was NOT on the goalie.
   214. SteveF Posted: April 23, 2014 at 11:19 PM (#4692869)
Probably not the last two minutes of a period the Blackhawks were looking for.
   215. zack Posted: April 23, 2014 at 11:20 PM (#4692871)
...again.
   216. SteveF Posted: April 23, 2014 at 11:21 PM (#4692872)
There was a point in this game where I started looking at who the Blues were trotting out on the ice and wondered whether they'd ever score again in the series.

Then...not so much.
   217. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: April 23, 2014 at 11:24 PM (#4692875)
It would be nice if they could stop a teak from scoring in the last minute
   218. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: April 23, 2014 at 11:31 PM (#4692880)
also, columbus doesn't tie the game if not for fleury's misadventures in behind the net puckhandling.

feel free to blame letang, but fleury blew the game.


Yes, this is true. Fleury continues, now as always, to lead the league in giving up goals via astonishingly stupid plays. He should have a shock collar put snug around his neck that is set to go off anytime he attempts to leave the crease.

But the series narrative is "Fleury collapses again!" It should be "Penguins' comical ineptness on the breakout continues!" Fleury is wildly inconsistent shift-to-shift, leading the league in "HOW THE HELL DID HE MAKE THAT" saves and also in "WHAT THE HELL WAS HE DOING" goals allowed, but it adds up to a spot-on average goaltender. (His save percentage in tonight's game, the very game that has set Twitter ablaze: .913.) In the macro, he is not the problem. Letang's contract and everything it represents (i.e., the Penguins don't care about things like maintaining your defensive assignments and making intelligent breakout passes) is the problem.

   219. zack Posted: April 23, 2014 at 11:53 PM (#4692885)
So...no more penalties from now on?
   220. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: April 23, 2014 at 11:57 PM (#4692886)
That was a sofite ###### crawford
   221. zack Posted: April 24, 2014 at 12:02 AM (#4692888)
Woo! Now they can blow it with 0.1 seconds left!
   222. Langer Monk Posted: April 24, 2014 at 12:12 AM (#4692890)
The Penguins need to fire Shero and then give Letang to whoever is willing to absorb the most of his contract, eating the rest. With preference to trading him to a division rival if possible.


BTW, I agree with all of this, as a Devils fan. I rather it never happened, for obvious reasons. I expect Sather will try to trade for Letang in a couple seasons.

I also expect Shero is going nowhere until they miss the playoffs in back-to-back seasons. Or unless Sather hires him too.
   223. The Kentucky Gentleman, Mark Edward Posted: April 24, 2014 at 12:25 AM (#4692893)
The F1 commercials on NBCSN are obnoxious.
   224. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: April 24, 2014 at 12:38 AM (#4692900)
Really grind a player into tje boards after a shot and no pnealty
   225. zack Posted: April 24, 2014 at 12:49 AM (#4692903)
I think Kane might be getting his legs back.
   226. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: April 24, 2014 at 01:39 AM (#4692910)
Hawks!
   227. Langer Monk Posted: April 24, 2014 at 09:45 AM (#4693022)
It'd be much appreciated if these late games avoided OT until the weekends at least. I mean, c'mon.
   228. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: April 24, 2014 at 10:10 AM (#4693050)
I also expect Shero is going nowhere until they miss the playoffs in back-to-back seasons.


I think losing to the Blue Jackets here (or suffering a humiliating defeat in a subsequent round, like last year's conference finals) will bring Shero and Bylsma to one more ignominious playoff exit from unemployment.

Shero behaves like he prefers to have his summers off, repeatedly trading his draft picks away for inconsequential veterans. Not only is this team carrying the worst active contract in the NHL and consequently suffering perpetual cap crunches, there's no help on the way. It looks ugly for the remainder of Sidney Crosby and Evgeni Malkin's primes, and unfortunately at this point it's probably too late to fix the problems in time.
   229. HMS Moses Taylor Posted: April 24, 2014 at 10:51 AM (#4693091)
It'd be much appreciated if these late games avoided OT until the weekends at least. I mean, c'mon.

8:30pm local start plus OT makes mornings like today less fun. It takes some amount of time to wind down after a game like last night, so it was very late before I actually fell asleep.

I really hate goalie chants. If you do that, you're a nimrod. That goal was NOT on the goalie.

To be fair to the meatheads in the crowd, it was clearly being done in a mocking fashion since the Blues fans were doing it in games 1 and 2. Only other time I remember the UC crowd chanting at the goalie is at Luongo, which also is mocking another fan chant.

Probably not the last two minutes of a period the Blackhawks were looking for.

Primer RT:
Mark Lazerus ?@MarkLazerus 11h
#Blackhawks have given up goals with 1:45, :02, :07, 1:09 and :02 left in periods so far in this series. #STLBlues


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I'm feeling pretty good about the series now; of course, it remains to be seen how Backes coming back (if he does) changes that. I think Q changing the lines yet again between the 2nd and 3rd period was a silly overreaction to those bad couple minutes at the end of the 2nd (Hawks totally dominated the first 38), but it did appear to work. I still think the Hawks would benefit from adding Morin to the lineup at the expense of either Bollig (who's barely playing) or Versteeg; if neither guy is going to PK (which is the only reason to keep Handzus around, and the Hawks don't show any signs of stopping the dumb penalties) you might as well add someone who might add some extra scoring chances (not to mention I think he's still flat out better than both right now).

To revisit the Miller/Crawford discussion from before the series, I'd like to point out that Crawford is outplaying Miller (too bad I'm bringing this up after Crawford let in a few more softies). .927 vs .914 save%. At worst, goal has not been an advantage for the Blues. Both teams have been great on the PK (or terrible on the PP, depending on your perspective). Hawks are taking way more penalties than they usually do - and lots of them are unforced, dumb mistakes. If they could clean that up, they maybe could actually not play a 1 goal game.
   230. Langer Monk Posted: April 24, 2014 at 11:01 AM (#4693113)
You'd know better than I, but I'm doubtful a first or second round exit gets Shero closer to umemployment, after all he had back-to-back first round exits in 2011 and 2012. They keep ending up at the top of the standings, is giving him a lot of cushion room.
   231. HMS Moses Taylor Posted: April 24, 2014 at 11:16 AM (#4693125)
But the series narrative is "Fleury collapses again!" It should be "Penguins' comical ineptness on the breakout continues!" Fleury is wildly inconsistent shift-to-shift, leading the league in "HOW THE HELL DID HE MAKE THAT" saves and also in "WHAT THE HELL WAS HE DOING" goals allowed, but it adds up to a spot-on average goaltender. (His save percentage in tonight's game, the very game that has set Twitter ablaze: .913.) In the macro, he is not the problem. Letang's contract and everything it represents (i.e., the Penguins don't care about things like maintaining your defensive assignments and making intelligent breakout passes) is the problem.

His career playoff save % is .903. Which is buoyed by the stellar 07-08 run. Take that year out (which admittedly is unfair), and it drops to .893. Dude might just totally suck in the playoffs, and with a $5mil cap hit that's a problem.
   232. zack Posted: April 24, 2014 at 11:47 AM (#4693156)
8:30pm local start plus OT makes mornings like today less fun

Being an east coast fan of a CST team is the worst! Well, at least it's not a PST team.

His career playoff save % is .903


Even last night, with two soft goals (well a soft goal and an unlucky bounce off the boards while playing the puck), his SV% was .913. He's the only reason they were playing in OT. Justin Bourne on Fleury:
It’s one thing to post bad playoff numbers because your team was overmatched in the first round, and hey, small sample size, what’re you going to do? It’s another thing entirely to become the story because you’re often reacting to shots like a teenager on ketamine trying to catch R.A. Dickey.


   233. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: April 24, 2014 at 12:32 PM (#4693196)
His career playoff save % is .903. Which is buoyed by the stellar 07-08 run. Take that year out (which admittedly is unfair), and it drops to .893. Dude might just totally suck in the playoffs, and with a $5mil cap hit that's a problem.


They had perfect opportunity to buy him out last winter and did not. Just in case you need another piece of evidence for the "Ray Shero is hockey's answer to Ruben Amaro" case.
   234. zack Posted: April 24, 2014 at 08:44 PM (#4693673)
I enjoy how Detroit, on the powerplay, has an old man unit (Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Franzen, Kronwall, Bertuzzi) and a tiny tot unit (Nyquist, Sheahan, Tatar, Kindl, DeKeyser). The first has an average age of 34.6, the second is 23.6.
   235. zack Posted: April 25, 2014 at 12:06 AM (#4693757)
So I think I may have mentioned that I thought the Avs were a paper tiger. With 5:41 left in the third period, these are their shot totals by period against the Wild:

3, 4, 1

That is...bewildering. I'm not sure I've ever seen an NHL team get less than 10 shots in a game. And that's with 4 powerplays.
   236. Shredder Posted: April 25, 2014 at 12:32 AM (#4693763)
Being an east coast fan of a CST team is the worst! Well, at least it's not a PST team.
Try being a CST fan of a west coast team, in both hockey and baseball. Fortunately I'm a night owl, but it's nice when they play Central teams. Don't like when they play Eastern teams because the games start too early.
   237. steagles Posted: April 25, 2014 at 01:00 AM (#4693772)
Try being a CST fan of a west coast team, in both hockey and baseball. Fortunately I'm a night owl, but it's nice when they play Central teams. Don't like when they play Eastern teams because the games start too early.
you're free to move to a timezone where people are not outnumbered by dairy cows.
   238. SteveF Posted: April 25, 2014 at 01:10 AM (#4693774)
Nebraska, South Dakota, Kansas, Iowa, Oklahoma, North Dakota, Wyoming, and Idaho are the states where cattle outnumber people in case anyone was as interested as I was. (The majority of that geographic area does happen to be in the Central time zone.)
   239. Shredder Posted: April 25, 2014 at 01:40 AM (#4693787)
you're free to move to a timezone where people are not outnumbered by dairy cows.
I live in Chicago. It's a lot bigger than a podunk town like Philadelphia.
   240. Shredder Posted: April 25, 2014 at 09:48 AM (#4693872)
I meant that in jest, of course, but I'm not sure how the population of humans vis a vis cattle would have an impact on living in a city two time zones east of the one where I grew up.
   241. puck Posted: April 25, 2014 at 04:09 PM (#4694365)
So I think I may have mentioned that I thought the Avs were a paper tiger.


Hasn't that been pretty much the line about them all season due to their Corsi/Fenwick numbers? I don't follow them too closely but I know Avs fans who have been complaining about such coverage. What was odd (at least on the surface, I don't know about strength of schedule, etc.) is that I think they had a better 2nd half record than 1st.

12 shots on goal is pretty horrendous though. Avs fans must really be sweating now. Pretty bad big game experiences for Colorado lately (Superbowl, CU basketball losing by millions in the NCAA tourney, Rockies lose on opening day 10-1 though they've rebounded since then).
   242. Langer Monk Posted: April 25, 2014 at 10:34 PM (#4694590)
Overtime again. Shocking.
   243. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: April 25, 2014 at 10:58 PM (#4694600)
Boy, if there was one thing the Blues/Hawks series was lacking, it was overtime play.
   244. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: April 25, 2014 at 11:03 PM (#4694606)
I live in Chicago. It's a lot bigger than a podunk town like Philadelphia.


Aww, that's cute. Someone who lives in central time ragging on Philadelphia. It's like watching two four year olds make up insults.

(Boston here. And to whoever responds to this, you may have perfectly valid arguments that we're not nearly as important as we think, but we can't hear you from all the way down there in your unsophisticated hamlet.)
   245. Langer Monk Posted: April 25, 2014 at 11:13 PM (#4694613)
I wonder how many homicides will be attributed to that frog commercial.
   246. zonk Posted: April 25, 2014 at 11:33 PM (#4694617)
With the Cubs so uninteresting, I'd like to thank the Hawks once again for making spring sports worth watching... And I'd also like to say that with a one game lead, I'm OK with using game 6 as an excuse to hurt TJ Oshie because i do not like him.
   247. The Kentucky Gentleman, Mark Edward Posted: April 26, 2014 at 12:11 AM (#4694624)
Ben Smith was obnoxiously awesome tonight.
   248. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: April 26, 2014 at 01:54 AM (#4694644)
well that was pretty nice. Shaw should get an endorsement for the shin pads he wears. darn things are becoming famous
   249. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: April 26, 2014 at 01:56 AM (#4694645)
and it may just be me but that was a cheap shot that should have been a penalty by whoever hit hossa after he scored the goal.
   250. zack Posted: April 26, 2014 at 08:03 AM (#4694655)
I'm OK with using game 6 as an excuse to hurt TJ Oshie because i do not like him.

Of all the Blues' shitbags, Oshie is the one you have a problem with?
and it may just be me but that was a cheap shot that should have been a penalty by whoever hit hossa after he scored the goal.

I think so to, but that's rarely called. It was Backes, and if Hossa doesn't get his hands up in time he has a concussion and maybe a broken neck.
   251. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: April 26, 2014 at 01:35 PM (#4694746)
I wouldnt mind it if Backes got his bell rung again in this series. what he did to Hossa was cheap and very dangerous.
   252. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: April 26, 2014 at 08:53 PM (#4695007)
Well damn thing wings are done.
   253. zack Posted: April 26, 2014 at 09:33 PM (#4695030)
I wouldnt mind it if Backes got his bell rung again in this series. what he did to Hossa was cheap and very dangerous.

I like the obliviousness of this statement. Didn't an extra cheap and extremely dangerous hit ring his bell the first time?
   254. SteveF Posted: April 26, 2014 at 11:22 PM (#4695094)
So, in terms of Playoff Failure Bingo, the one thing the Sharks have not yet done is blow a 3-0 lead right?

San Jose has been credited with 19 giveaways in less than 2 periods of hockey. Edit: Now it's 20. Edit: Now it's 21. Edit: Now it's 22.
   255. Langer Monk Posted: April 27, 2014 at 12:37 AM (#4695153)
This MacKinnon kid's got some talent.
   256. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: April 27, 2014 at 01:21 AM (#4695169)
Well, that performance by the Kings came out of nowhere.
   257. SteveF Posted: April 27, 2014 at 01:30 AM (#4695170)
Well, that performance by the Kings came out of nowhere.

It really feels like game 6 is the series one way or the other. The collars will feel pretty tight in San Jose if there's a game 7.
   258. HMS Moses Taylor Posted: April 27, 2014 at 10:40 AM (#4695227)
Avs are so f'in lucky. They're got some nice talent, but the hockey gods love them this year for some reason.

I have no problem rooting against the Blues (who, for the most part, have played above their somewhat dirty and chippy reputation this series; the Hawks certainly don't have any sort of moral high ground here), but I really don't feel the need to root for their players to get hurt. I don't think today's game gets out of hand, but I sure hope there's no incidents with Seabrook back.
   259. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: April 27, 2014 at 12:55 PM (#4695288)
It really feels like game 6 is the series one way or the other. The collars will feel pretty tight in San Jose if there's a game 7.

What will the Sharks do in net? They have run Niemi two night in a row, that other guy looked pretty good. The Kings announcers were guessing they would go with the backup but I find that hard to believe.
   260. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: April 27, 2014 at 03:34 PM (#4695356)
Good start for the hawks so far. Shaw took a hard hit and may be a bit slow the rest of the game
   261. SteveF Posted: April 27, 2014 at 04:19 PM (#4695371)
The Kings announcers were guessing they would go with the backup but I find that hard to believe.

I agree with you.
Good start for the hawks so far. Shaw took a hard hit and may be a bit slow the rest of the game

The Blackhawks have looked like the slightly better to moderately better team in basically every one of these games. The Blues don't seem to be able to generate scoring chances very easily, which leads me to wonder whether the Blackhawks are back to 2012-2013 form. If so, they are going to be a very, very tough out.

Of course, the Blues struggled mightily down the stretch and they just might not be very good at this point.
   262. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: April 27, 2014 at 04:29 PM (#4695381)
Thats horseshit hossa was playing the puck on that
   263. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: April 27, 2014 at 04:30 PM (#4695383)
Holyficking #### thats a 4 min penalty that really is some ####### bullshit
   264. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: April 27, 2014 at 04:44 PM (#4695395)
Another bs penalty to the hawks...
   265. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: April 27, 2014 at 04:56 PM (#4695405)
Ott should have been sent into the box there cant grab the centerman right after the face off spin him tackel him and not let him up. Also a press the claim that backes needs a good punch in the face.
   266. SteveF Posted: April 27, 2014 at 05:07 PM (#4695411)
Blues PP is pretty unimaginative. If you're going to rely on shots from the point to that degree, you better get some screens/tips/rebounds. They seem incapable of getting any 2 on 1's going down low.
   267. zack Posted: April 27, 2014 at 05:10 PM (#4695412)
Blues PP is pretty unimaginative. If you're going to rely on shots from the point to that degree, you better get some screens/tips/rebounds. They seem incapable of getting any 2 on 1's going down low.

The weird thing is they seem completely unwilling to shoot if it's not a one-timer, but they're not passing well enough to set up the one-timers. Even when they have an open look, they'll turn it down if they've had the puck for more than a half-second. I think they're 2 for 28 in the series, and one of those was a 6 on 4 at the end of a major.
   268. SteveF Posted: April 27, 2014 at 05:14 PM (#4695414)
The weird thing is they seem completely unwilling to shoot if it's not a one-timer, but they're not passing well enough to set up the one-timers. Even when they have an open look, they'll turn it down if they've had the puck for more than a half-second.

Yes. Even wrist shots from a point moving laterally can be effective. They just don't move around enough.
   269. SteveF Posted: April 27, 2014 at 05:15 PM (#4695416)
The quality of Chicago's chances is just so much higher.
   270. The Kentucky Gentleman, Mark Edward Posted: April 27, 2014 at 05:16 PM (#4695417)
I am not complaining about that goal... but how was that not goaltender interference on Shaw?
   271. SteveF Posted: April 27, 2014 at 05:18 PM (#4695422)
And...series.
   272. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: April 27, 2014 at 05:22 PM (#4695424)
Wow, I'm a few minutes late getting back from intermission and the game is over.
   273. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: April 27, 2014 at 05:23 PM (#4695425)
Now thats a good start to the 3rd
   274. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: April 27, 2014 at 05:28 PM (#4695431)
With a 2 goal lead i suspect the refs will really tighten up to avoid and nasty incidents with elimination a possibility
   275. SteveF Posted: April 27, 2014 at 05:49 PM (#4695442)
I'm not sure even the Blackhawks can give up 4 goals in the last 2 minutes of a period.
   276. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: April 27, 2014 at 05:50 PM (#4695443)
Well i think that does it for st louis
   277. SteveF Posted: April 27, 2014 at 05:59 PM (#4695449)
I'm not sure what St. Louis needs to change to actually make a deep playoff run. That power play is terrible and maybe they need more team speed. Perhaps it was just the quality of the opposition, but they just do not generate high quality scoring chances. Maybe it's scheme. They don't seem to pinch or rotate a 3rd man high as often as other teams.
   278. zack Posted: April 27, 2014 at 06:16 PM (#4695462)
(Just pretend there is a WOOOOOOOOOOOOO in the background of this entire post).

I think the 'hawks are a particularly bad match-up for the Blues with their mobile defense corps, and it didn't hurt that Crawford wass hot. Getting Miller and Ott at the deadline was dumb.

They have a ton of money coming off the books, and a lot of it is dead-ish weight (Morrow, Ott, Roy, Elliott). I don't know if they have an internal-cap or not, but if they can spend and do so wisely they might be back. On the other hand, Dallas and Minnesota are just going to get better, and they have an UNSTOPPABLE JUGGERNAUT in their division.

I will give props to the Blues for not trying to send a message when they were finished, and really they weren't nearly as goonish as I feared the entire series. Clearly the NHL told both teams to clean it up after the first two games and that really made a difference. Wish I could say that my team didn't goon it up.
   279. HMS Moses Taylor Posted: April 27, 2014 at 06:33 PM (#4695475)
Final numbers for the series:
Crawford - .935sv%
Miller - .897sv%

Crawford almost single-handedly won 2 games for the Hawks (games 3 and 6) and Miller didn't steal any. One of the Hawks' biggest weaknesses all year was the PK, but it was unreal this series (and they took way, way more penalties this series than this season). One small worry though (but I doubt it comes into play next series) is that unlike the previous Cup winning seasons, the Hawks are really only playing 3 lines (10 forwards though most of Handzus's time is on the PK 6:39 of his 10:33TOI today). Versteeg earned his seat, not sure why it was Nordstrom that got the call as I've seen very little this year to think he earned the shot over Morin or Regin. Bollig played 1:50 today, he should not be playing again this year (Nordstrom 2:07).
   280. zack Posted: April 27, 2014 at 06:36 PM (#4695477)
The reason Nordstrom is playing over Morin is because Q doesn't trust Morin at all. If you look at the shift charts, Morin was by far the most sheltered player on the 'hawks.

The problem with the 4th right now is Handzus. His play forced Smith up to the 2nd, and there's not enough meat left on that line for Q to trust it. I think Handzus has been valuable this series with all the penalties, but they'll need to find a better arrangement for him at EV. I think Handzus, Kruger, Versteeg (if he's healthy) would have enough meat to at least split checking duties with Toews.
   281. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: April 28, 2014 at 02:29 AM (#4695596)
I really wish the cubs were as good as the hawks. This team gives me souch to enjoy and be happy about.
   282. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: April 28, 2014 at 07:12 AM (#4695607)
If I were a Chicago fan I would fear and loathe their likely second round matchup with Colorado. As a fan there's nothing worse than playing a team who on paper you should, by all rights, destroy, but which has been relentlessly lucky.

Usually luck in the playoffs takes the form of the Hot Goalie, but with Colorado I don't even know.
   283. zack Posted: April 28, 2014 at 10:37 AM (#4695717)
I don't think Roy has magic luck powers, so I don't fear the Avs. I would much rather play the Wild, even though I think the Wild are better, because if #### happens and we lose I will not want to die. Unlike losing to the Avs.
   284. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: April 28, 2014 at 11:05 AM (#4695756)
Exactly. If the Blackhawks beat Colorado, well, they were supposed to. If they lose to Colorado (probably despite outshooting them 3-to-2 like everyone does) then it's "what the hell happened? What a choke job!"

Minnesota has the stupidest name in the NHL and Colorado has the ugliest uniforms, so if they have to be in the playoffs I'm happy they're playing each other and one of them has to be eliminated.
   285. zack Posted: April 28, 2014 at 12:01 PM (#4695823)
Seriously how do the Foote Clan not get more stick for their horrible uniforms? Is it because they won two cups in them?
   286. HMS Moses Taylor Posted: April 28, 2014 at 02:28 PM (#4695962)
The reason Nordstrom is playing over Morin is because Q doesn't trust Morin at all. If you look at the shift charts, Morin was by far the most sheltered player on the 'hawks.

That's both irrelevant to my point and exactly my point though. It's not hard to see both based on what I see (and clearly I'm not saying I know better than Q) and the numbers that Morin deserves a little more rope. And Q clearly didn't trust Nordstrom that much yesterday, and doesn't seem to trust Bollig either right now. I'm not sure why he wouldn't consider Regin, I think he's earned some chances.

The problem with the 4th right now is Handzus. His play forced Smith up to the 2nd, and there's not enough meat left on that line for Q to trust it. I think Handzus has been valuable this series with all the penalties, but they'll need to find a better arrangement for him at EV. I think Handzus, Kruger, Versteeg (if he's healthy) would have enough meat to at least split checking duties with Toews.

I think Smith also played himself up there, he really has been great. I'm not going to argue about Handzus, and it's not a coincidence everyone plays better away from Handzus than with him. I think CI makes a good point that while Handzus has been great on the PK, the Hawks still have other options that might be just as good (and again, one of those options is not to commit so many ####### penalties). Kruger's new line with Saad and Shaw played really well the last couple of games; if you're moving him back down you have to find someone else to go on that third line (and we're back to either Morin or Regin).

I think we're on the same page here, BTW.
   287. HMS Moses Taylor Posted: April 28, 2014 at 02:30 PM (#4695965)
If I were a Chicago fan I would fear and loathe their likely second round matchup with Colorado.

If you go back the last few pages, you can see I was irrationally worried about facing the Avs in round 1. In addition to your points, the Avs have had the Hawks number this year (specifically, Varlomov). Hawks pretty much dominated play in each game and only won 1 of the 5 (first game after the Olympic break, and you had the Avs complaining about no morning skate and Varlomov didn't start). Most people are going to pick the Hawks, but it's not going to be easy. Playing fewer guys might also hurt this series more, what with the altitude and all.
   288. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: April 28, 2014 at 03:39 PM (#4696027)
I'm picking the Avalanche. That should make you feel better.
   289. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: April 28, 2014 at 05:00 PM (#4696086)
I am irrationally fired up for tonight's game. This is what sports does to you. I was emotionally checked out. I didn't even use my tickets for Game 4, but now somehow I've convinced myself that the tide has turned, and we have the Sharks right where we want them. I'm perfectly positioned to be crushed.

Either way, we are getting there early, we are going to be loud and I expect to win.
   290. SteveF Posted: April 28, 2014 at 05:10 PM (#4696094)
One thing reading a bunch of discussions about the Norris trophy makes clear is that Mark Giordano had one hell of a year. I don't envy the people who have to vote on that particular award.
   291. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: April 28, 2014 at 05:22 PM (#4696108)
It'll be Weber. Should be Chara.
   292. SteveF Posted: April 28, 2014 at 05:29 PM (#4696116)
It'll be Weber. Should be Chara.

I think it's a tough call. Weber has the most goals and high quality of competition but the poor Corsi (even relative to teammates) even in light of the O/Dst% (not to mention the negative +/-, which is more of a voting factor than it might be for you or me). Keith has the Corsi and the points, but has the high O/Dst%, lower quality of competition, and only 6 goals. Chara has the good Corsi, high quality of competition, and low O/Dst% but the fewest points.

I wouldn't argue with any of the three winning, but I suspect Keith will win. He has more points than Chara and a much better +/- than Weber and that's as far as the analysis of the voters will go.
   293. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: April 28, 2014 at 08:35 PM (#4696215)
I guess Columbus had nothing left.
   294. Langer Monk Posted: April 28, 2014 at 09:26 PM (#4696260)
Or they saved it for this last push.
   295. SteveF Posted: April 28, 2014 at 09:30 PM (#4696266)
Pittsburgh is comically bad in their own end. I hope they keep Bylsma forever.
   296. Langer Monk Posted: April 28, 2014 at 09:35 PM (#4696271)
Columbus has a great crowd.
   297. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: April 28, 2014 at 09:37 PM (#4696276)
I'm not sure how much of it is Bylsma's fault. Their defensemen (and half their forwards) are profoundly untalented, and Letang's influence poisons everyone. I'm pretty sure if you fired Bylsma but left Shero and Letang in place, nothing would change, and in fact the team may well take a step backward depending on who the next coach is.
   298. SteveF Posted: April 28, 2014 at 09:41 PM (#4696282)
A win is a win...right?
   299. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: April 28, 2014 at 09:42 PM (#4696283)
Right. And hey, if the Rangers finish off the Flyers for them, the Penguins' dream of getting shut out four straight times in the conference final will still be alive!
   300. vagab0nd (no longer an outl13r) Posted: April 28, 2014 at 10:14 PM (#4696307)
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