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Monday, April 02, 2012

OT: The Soccer Thread: April 2012

Title Run-In’s across the Continent, Champions League Semi-Finals, FA Cup Semi-Finals, and the two month-mark to the start of Euro 2012.

All this—and more—in April!

RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: April 02, 2012 at 12:30 PM | 1045 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   301. I am going to be Frank Posted: April 10, 2012 at 11:52 PM (#4103641)
I'm a big fan of the Dutch away jersey.
   302. DA Baracus is gritty and hits with RISP Posted: April 10, 2012 at 11:55 PM (#4103643)
A quick google search indicates that the sponsorship is only on replica jerseys. FIFA does not allow the actual jerseys to be sponsored.
   303. Juan V Posted: April 11, 2012 at 01:57 AM (#4103664)
Both Dutch kits look really nice.
   304. Flynn Posted: April 11, 2012 at 02:45 AM (#4103673)
Croatia's shirts are the best in football. I won't tolerate any criticism of them.
   305. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: April 11, 2012 at 08:45 AM (#4103712)
So apparently I prefer white jerseys. I think the Croatia tablecloth jersey is actually pretty cool and I really like the Swedish jerseys. The only ones I really didn't care for were the second Spanish shirt, the white Portugal shirt, both Denmark shirts and both Ireland shirts.

And I really don't want to meet the Greek football team in a dark alley. That is a scary looking group of dudes.
   306. zack Posted: April 11, 2012 at 08:48 AM (#4103713)
It looks like Portugal will be heavy favorites, since all they need to do is think happy thoughts and they will be dominant in the air.
   307. zack Posted: April 11, 2012 at 08:50 AM (#4103714)
I don't get the criticism of the Polish shirts, they're sharp. The Russian jerseys are hideous, since the designer got halfway done, thought, \"####, these stripes are going to intersect", and then just gave up. Germany's green jersey is ugly as well.
   308. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: April 11, 2012 at 09:11 AM (#4103729)
I like the England and France kits the best. The less busy, the better for me.
   309. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: April 11, 2012 at 09:12 AM (#4103730)
FIFA does not allow the actual jerseys to be sponsored.

It's funny that FIFA doesn't consider the corporate logos of Nike and Adidas sponsorships.
   310. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: April 11, 2012 at 09:41 AM (#4103747)
Croatia's shirts are the best in football. I won't tolerate any criticism of them.
That's fine. Also, I'll take the spaghetti with meatballs, she'll have the baked ziti, and we'd like a bottle of the house Chianti.
   311. Flynn Posted: April 11, 2012 at 09:46 AM (#4103757)
I don't get the criticism of the Polish shirts, they're sharp


I think it's mainly the crest situation. The Polish FA decided they wanted to put their own crest on their shirts instead of the red Polish crest that all Polish national teams wear. The fans revolted, so the FA decided they would wear both.

It actually wouldn't look so bad if they were on each breast and the Nike swoosh in the middle, but that's Nike for you.
   312. Flynn Posted: April 11, 2012 at 09:51 AM (#4103762)
Ireland is one of those countries with almost constantly hideous national team shirts. If you go on Classicfootballshirts and see the last 20 years, they are uniformly terrible. Argentina suffers from this problem too, as Adidas hate putting the blue and white stripes on the sleeves 'cause it overwhelms their branding, so you usually get a crap shirt. Argentina is a country that needs to switch to Nike and get a proper shirt.

Brazil and Holland, on the other hand, almost always have handsome shirts. Yes, I'm including Holland's Euro 88 top in that (I love that shirt). The 2002 editions are the only exceptions. Holland is especially cool because they've had several different manufacturers in the last 40 years or so.
   313. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: April 11, 2012 at 09:53 AM (#4103763)
I like the Greek kit.

And the promotional picture is the best, too. "This is the jersey, and this is how the jersey looks paired with €300 skinny jeans."
   314. DA Baracus is gritty and hits with RISP Posted: April 11, 2012 at 09:56 AM (#4103766)
It's funny that FIFA doesn't consider the corporate logos of Nike and Adidas sponsorships.


That's FIFA in a nutshell: even when they get it right, they get it wrong.
   315. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: April 11, 2012 at 09:56 AM (#4103767)
It actually wouldn't look so bad if they were on each breast and the Nike swoosh in the middle, but that's Nike for you.
No, they made the right call. Put the swoosh in the middle and it looks like an asymmetrical boobs situation.
   316. DA Baracus is gritty and hits with RISP Posted: April 11, 2012 at 11:03 AM (#4103803)
The home Polish jersey has too much going on. The away kit isn't so cluttered.
   317. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: April 11, 2012 at 11:27 AM (#4103829)
Kind of a big game in Madrid today, no?
   318. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: April 11, 2012 at 01:14 PM (#4104023)
What is going on with Javier Pastore? I was able to catch the lesser Classico from this weekend, and he put in a less-than-mediocre performance -- had the ball nipped from his feet a few times, as well as a handful of poorly-weighted passes from positions you'd expect him to lay it at a teammate's feet. Ancelotti apparently thought the same, as Pastore was subbed a bit after the hour mark. Now, I'll admit that I haven't seen much PSG since the start of 2012, but the announcer insinuated his performance has been largely 'meh' for the better part of the season. For those who saw a good amount of Pastore at Palermo -- was he undoubtedly the best player in his time there, or were guys like Miccoli/Ilicic/Hernandez just as good and simply overshadowed? Perhaps I'm just making too much of a poor (but limited) run of form.
   319. DA Baracus is gritty and hits with RISP Posted: April 11, 2012 at 01:58 PM (#4104111)
Man City fined €30k for starting the 2nd half a minute late. That's more than Porto got for racist chants.
   320. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: April 11, 2012 at 02:08 PM (#4104136)
Man City fined €30k for starting the 2nd half a minute late. That's more than Porto got for racist chants.

Are you implying FIFA doesn't take racism seriously? How dare you, sir!

This book I'm reading about Spartak Moscow is kind of interesting. It's an academic book so there's no narrative hook and a lot of talk of gender roles etc. but it's interesting how a club like Spartak could exist and thrive is Soviet Russia.
   321. DA Baracus is gritty and hits with RISP Posted: April 11, 2012 at 02:53 PM (#4104224)
Are you implying FIFA doesn't take racism seriously?


I would never... limit what I think FIFA doesn't take seriously to only racism.

Jozy has two goals today.
   322. frannyzoo Posted: April 11, 2012 at 02:54 PM (#4104230)
No access other than whoscored...

Robert Lewandowski (Borussia Dortmund) hits the left post with a header from the left side of the box. Assisted by Jakub Blaszczykowski with a cross following a corner.


Sigh.



   323. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: April 11, 2012 at 03:00 PM (#4104238)
   324. Swedish Chef Posted: April 11, 2012 at 03:01 PM (#4104240)
Wolves are waving the white flag early even by their own standards tonight.
   325. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: April 11, 2012 at 03:08 PM (#4104249)
What's with all the bananas at Dortmund?
   326. I am going to be Frank Posted: April 11, 2012 at 03:21 PM (#4104270)
United look like crap. Giggs has his moments but whenever he plays center midfield with Carrick United can't control the game.
   327. FancyPantsHandle glistening with foreign substance Posted: April 11, 2012 at 03:38 PM (#4104306)
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   328. FancyPantsHandle glistening with foreign substance Posted: April 11, 2012 at 03:46 PM (#4104318)
Oh my heart!
   329. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: April 11, 2012 at 03:48 PM (#4104320)
Heh! I guess that's it fOr Bayern.
   330. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: April 11, 2012 at 03:52 PM (#4104327)
Shooty, I got an e-mail today from the Red Bulls with an offer to buy a package that includes Spurs tickets. I assume you're on their list, but I can forward it along if not.
   331. frannyzoo Posted: April 11, 2012 at 04:11 PM (#4104344)
I wore my stiflingly hot yellow/black bike jacket all during 5th Period today in support...and it seems to have paid off. Now if I could only find a black/white striped jacket for Udinese in Rome.
   332. ursus arctos Posted: April 11, 2012 at 05:00 PM (#4104385)
The bananas are a Ruhrpot hommage a Olli Kahn.

Quevilly just qualified for the Coupe de France final with a 90th minute winner against Rennes.
   333. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: April 11, 2012 at 05:08 PM (#4104394)
Shooty, I got an e-mail today from the Red Bulls with an offer to buy a package that includes Spurs tickets. I assume you're on their list, but I can forward it along if not.

Thanks. I asked the building I work in for their tix but they seem confused about this game as it wasn't on the original season ticket plan. So I'm kind of in limbo now as I don't want to buy any as i should be getting some free.

Montpellier wins, Man U loses, Borussia Dortmund wins, Juventus win, Ajax wins and Real Madrid are leading early in the second half. How the hell are Man U going to lose to Wigan when they can lock up a title?
   334. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: April 11, 2012 at 05:23 PM (#4104409)
How the hell are Man U going to lose to Wigan when they can lock up a title?
Complacency, perhaps? That's the only thing I can think.

So are we getting any more tickets? I need my snobby visit to the Bull Club or whatever it's called.
   335. Ron J Posted: April 11, 2012 at 05:28 PM (#4104413)
#326 Funny. You've noticed it. I've noticed it, and yet SAF continues to try them together every now and then.

What was really interesting was that they were so ineffective that Rooney was pulled back into midfield. And then was subbed off for a real midfielder (Nani). Only after Nani came on did they even threaten Wigan.

First really poor game I've seen from Valencia all year. Kept trying to play through the middle instead of that simple wide game that's been so effective all year. Had no impact at all on the game.
   336. Padgett Posted: April 11, 2012 at 05:30 PM (#4104416)
Complacency, perhaps? That's the only thing I can think.
Clearly I jinxed them above in noting their distinct lack of complacency this season. In related news, Wigan are on quite the run. Their tally of 11 points out of the last 18 trails only United, Arsenal, and Newcastle -- which really should be at least 12.
   337. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: April 11, 2012 at 05:56 PM (#4104439)
So are we getting any more tickets? I need my snobby visit to the Bull Club or whatever it's called.

I shall do my best!
   338. Juan V Posted: April 11, 2012 at 07:10 PM (#4104484)
How awesome is Ronaldo? Very, very awesome.
   339. Mefisto Posted: April 11, 2012 at 08:27 PM (#4104519)
Almost as awesome as the Messi-ah. :)
   340. Juan V Posted: April 11, 2012 at 08:30 PM (#4104522)
But with better taste in laundry ;)
   341. Juan V Posted: April 11, 2012 at 08:32 PM (#4104524)
Ronnie has already matched the record for most Liga goals in a season, which he set last year. And he has six games left. And Leo's right on his heels.
   342. Mark Edward Posted: April 11, 2012 at 10:22 PM (#4104575)
Dear Borussia Dortmund/GolTV/Bundesliga,

Why was it nearly impossible to watch the Dortmund-Bayern match legally today? The game wasn't available on ESPN3, and the next time Gol TV will be replaying the match is 2am (not sure why they picked Real Madrid-Athletic/Athletico/whoever for the prime time evening replay). I will be happy to give your club/television station my $$$ to watch this game on demand. I just want that opportunity, because right now I don't have it.

Sincerely,
Mark

PS. This is without a doubt the best soccer gif I've ever seen.
   343. FancyPantsHandle glistening with foreign substance Posted: April 11, 2012 at 11:19 PM (#4104633)
PS. This is without a doubt the best soccer gif I've ever seen.

I love it!

My favourite part was that after the match had ended, Robben just spent about 2 mins standing on his own, clapping. He didn't seem to bothered. Rumour has it, he was supposed to sign an extension at the end of the month. I think he's gone.
   344. DA Baracus is gritty and hits with RISP Posted: April 12, 2012 at 08:42 AM (#4104747)
Two front office items this morning: Damon Comolli sacked at Liverpool and Nicolas Anelka is now the player/manager at Shanghai.
   345. Flynn Posted: April 12, 2012 at 08:50 AM (#4104749)
FCB/BVB was on live TV here in England, and given a bit of hype. Which was nice, until people mistook the banana throwing at FCB's keeper for racism.
   346. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: April 12, 2012 at 08:59 AM (#4104751)
Two front office items this morning: Damon Comolli sacked at Liverpool and Nicolas Anelka is now the player/manager at Shanghai.

Wowzers on both of those. Does this mean Dalglish will have more control at Liverpool or is Comolli the first step in cleaning house?
   347. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: April 12, 2012 at 09:00 AM (#4104752)
Which was nice, until people mistook the banana throwing at FCB's keeper for racism.

And they weren't at all confused that the keeper is white?
   348. Randy Jones Posted: April 12, 2012 at 09:04 AM (#4104755)
What was the banana throwing about?
   349. Mattbert Posted: April 12, 2012 at 09:08 AM (#4104757)
Damien Comolli sacked at Liverpool

That was quick. Although I guess they had to fire somebody at this point. Comolli's tenure at Liverpool hasn't done much to change my opinion of him. He's a good talent spotter but pretty poor at roster construction. I don't know how much authority he had in negotiating fees, but if he was responsible you'd have to call that a mixed bag as well. Getting 50MM for Torres good. Spending 35MM of that on Carroll bad. Getting one of the best left backs in the league (Enrique) for cheap good. Wildly overpaying for Downing and Henderson bad. Signing Charlie Adam period, very bad.

Of the Comolli signings I can recall off the top of my head, here's how I'd break down his record.

GOOD
Luis Suarez
Jose Enrique
Craig Bellamy

OKAY/JURY'S OUT
Jordan Henderson
Sebastian Coates

BAD
Andy Carroll
Charlie Adam
Stewart Downing
   350. FancyPantsHandle glistening with foreign substance Posted: April 12, 2012 at 09:08 AM (#4104758)
And they weren't at all confused that the keeper is white?

They weren't sure, since Torii Hunter has not yet chimed in on what Manuel Neuer's skin colour is...
   351. FancyPantsHandle glistening with foreign substance Posted: April 12, 2012 at 09:10 AM (#4104759)
What was the banana throwing about?

It's an old Oliver Kahn joke, that they seem to have decided to resurrect for Neuer.

Although, arguably the original Kahn banana throwing was racist... against Neanderthals...
   352. Textbook Editor Posted: April 12, 2012 at 09:20 AM (#4104764)
Nicolas Anelka is now the player/manager at Shanghai.


Wouldn't have seen that coming back in August. Could have gotten great odds, I'd guess.
   353. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: April 12, 2012 at 10:30 AM (#4104829)
   354. Flynn Posted: April 12, 2012 at 10:39 AM (#4104844)
And they weren't at all confused that the keeper is white?


There is a certain holier-than-thou element in England about racism in football, so they were quick to condemn regardless of the context.
   355. Mattbert Posted: April 12, 2012 at 12:08 PM (#4104928)
Nicolas Anelka is now the player/manager at Shanghai.

I am going to be in Shanghai for a bit starting on Saturday. If I see Le Sulk, I'll tell him the Primer football geeks say, "hey".
   356. Swedish Chef Posted: April 12, 2012 at 12:17 PM (#4104932)
I can't believe the amount of second guessing and denigration Cristiano Ronaldo gets when he's scoring like we're in the era of Just Fontaine and averaging over a goal a game.
   357. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: April 12, 2012 at 12:36 PM (#4104946)
I am going to be in Shanghai for a bit starting on Saturday.

That's a long way to go for a decent fish sauce! Make sure Anelka knows I was never one of the haters, and try to be sincere about it as I totally was. Lousy Chelsea scum.
   358. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: April 12, 2012 at 12:36 PM (#4104947)
I can't believe the amount of second guessing and denigration Cristiano Ronaldo gets when he's scoring like we're in the era of Just Fontaine and averaging over a goal a game.

Who's second guessing him?
   359. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: April 12, 2012 at 12:46 PM (#4104955)
Matt --

The only issue is putting all the onus on Comolli, as we still don't know definitively who was 'behind' the signings. At least publicly, Dalglish has taken responsibility for the signings. There was never any indication of a power struggle, of Comolli bringing in players that KD didn't want. If that's the case, what exactly does that say about Dalglish? Is FSG really going to be comfortable handing another $50 million(*) off to the guy who, like you said, has seen three of his four biggest signings sputter? I'd be curious to know if FSG have started putting out feelers for Rafa. That seems to make some sense, especially if, along with Comolli, FSG are throwing out the Director of Football model.

(*)This is assuming they spend. They've got the new kit deal, and small amounts coming from Milan for Aquilani and from next year's Europa League.
   360. Mefisto Posted: April 12, 2012 at 12:49 PM (#4104960)
Mattbert, you first say Comolli overpaid for Henderson, then you say the jury is still out. I think you were right the first time. As I see Comolli, ignoring cost, his bad signings were terrible on the merits, his good signings were merely good and not spectacular. Taking cost into consideration, let's just say I don't want him negotiating Barry Zito's next contract.
   361. jmurph Posted: April 12, 2012 at 12:53 PM (#4104965)
OKAY/JURY'S OUT
Jordan Henderson


At no point, ever, in Jordan Henderson's entire career, will he ever be worth the 20 million pounds they paid for him. Good to very good players in their prime go for that much or less.

As for Daglish, he's taken the "credit" for deciding on all of the signings, implying that Comolli then went out and got them. Who knows what actually goes on, but taking that at face value means Comolli did the negotiating and, pretty clearly, did it very poorly.
   362. Swedish Chef Posted: April 12, 2012 at 01:02 PM (#4104975)
Who's second guessing him?

Maybe I should clarify that I didn't mean this thread (or BBTF in general). Just my reaction from grazing dumb media.
   363. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: April 12, 2012 at 01:09 PM (#4104980)
As for Daglish, he's taken the "credit" for deciding on all of the signings, implying that Comolli then went out and got them. Who knows what actually goes on, but taking that at face value means Comolli did the negotiating and, pretty clearly, did it very poorly.

I get the feeling Liverpool were locked into a handful of players that they wanted and other clubs sensed Liverpool had no plan B and so really picked their pockets. At the time the Henderson signing confused me the most. I watched 5 or 6 Sunderland games last year and had no recollection of him at all. He's not a bad player, but I still kind of don't get it. Stuart Downing has been much, much worse than I thought. I thought they overpaid but that he was a solid player. He's ended up as the worst of the bunch, and that includes Carroll. Still, Liverpool are a huge club with a lot of resources--they'll be back even if it takes a year or two longer than it should have.
   364. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: April 12, 2012 at 01:10 PM (#4104981)
Maybe I should clarify that I didn't mean this thread (or BBTF in general). Just my reaction from grazing dumb media.

Ah. The media is picking a strange time to criticize him--after a hat trick in a local derby to keep Barca 4 points back.
   365. Swedish Chef Posted: April 12, 2012 at 01:25 PM (#4104993)
On a more positive note Kenny Dalglish enjoys "full support" from the owners so he's probably out before long.
   366. Mattbert Posted: April 12, 2012 at 01:48 PM (#4105013)
Well, you'd have to have been whacked out on pills to think spunking 35MM on Andy Carroll was a good idea...
   367. Mattbert Posted: April 12, 2012 at 01:51 PM (#4105020)
That's a long way to go for a decent fish sauce! Make sure Anelka knows I was never one of the haters, and try to be sincere about it as I totally was. Lousy Chelsea scum.

"Shooty says you're lousy Chelsea scum."

Got it.
   368. FancyPantsHandle glistening with foreign substance Posted: April 12, 2012 at 02:16 PM (#4105045)
On a more positive note Kenny Dalglish enjoys "full support" from the owners so he's probably out before long.

Yup. Kiss of death.
   369. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: April 12, 2012 at 02:20 PM (#4105048)
Well, you'd have to have been whacked out on pills to think spunking 35MM on Andy Carroll was a good idea...

I see what you did here!
   370. I am going to be Frank Posted: April 12, 2012 at 02:35 PM (#4105061)
To all the FM players out there - How do you get your teams to score more goals? I have tons more chances and shots but I can't seem to score as many goals as I should. For instance I'll have seven shots on goals and two goals while the other team will have one shot and one goal.
   371. PepTech Posted: April 12, 2012 at 03:00 PM (#4105095)
Question about scheduling - I noticed that Man United is playing on Sunday - AGAIN - and this time I actually checked. In 2012 - the second half of the EPL schedule - they played exactly two Saturday matches, the last on Feb 11. In the first half of the season they had 11 of the 19 on Saturday, although they were on Sun/Mon the first three weekends.

Is this typical? I know fixtures get moved around a lot based on Cups and such, but I never really pay attention in August - do they start out with everything on Saturdays and move 'em around based on perceived interest, or do they know from July they're going to have Saturdays off all spring? You'd think with the expectation of playing on Tuesdays in Europe that they would have more Saturdays, but maybe they *would* be on Saturdays if they were still in Europe? How often are dates moved midseason, and how much hassle is it?

When I was living in Japan (early 90s), every Giants games was broadcast nationally, and maybe once a week you'd see a game involving two non-Giant teams. Maybe. Sounds kinda similar here - every week MUFC is in a national spot, which makes sense because everyone loves them or hates them. Does the UK do regional telecasts on Saturday, or national? Would something like Wigan vs. WBA ever be shown nationally in March, or is it determined on the fly, like the NFL flexes its Sunday Night spot, based on the matchups and standings, at some midweek point?
   372. Swedish Chef Posted: April 12, 2012 at 03:12 PM (#4105105)
Is this typical? I know fixtures get moved around a lot based on Cups and such, but I never really pay attention in August - do they start out with everything on Saturdays and move 'em around based on perceived interest, or do they know from July they're going to have Saturdays off all spring? You'd think with the expectation of playing on Tuesdays in Europe that they would have more Saturdays, but maybe they *would* be on Saturdays if they were still in Europe? How often are dates moved midseason, and how much hassle is it?

It's Sky Sports, 15.00 games on Saturday aren't televised and they will not let Manchester United play there if they can avoid it, which they most often can (in desperate cases by a Saturday lunchtime kickoff).
   373. FancyPantsHandle glistening with foreign substance Posted: April 12, 2012 at 03:20 PM (#4105112)
To all the FM players out there - How do you get your teams to score more goals? I have tons more chances and shots but I can't seem to score as many goals as I should. For instance I'll have seven shots on goals and two goals while the other team will have one shot and one goal.


Step 1) Buy Papiss Cisse
Step 2) ???
Step 3) Profit

Got it?

Ok, serious answer, there isn't a one size fits all solution, other than getting players with high finishing (or heading, but less so). You'll have to look at your squad and set them up to suit their strengths. You probably want to set everybody who doesn't have 16+ long shot ability to not take shots from distance. Playing lots of through balls typically also generates more high quality chances, albeit at the cost of some posession.

Other than that, try asking players with high technical skills to play around the keeper. If you think a player is missing the goal completely too much, ask him to place his shots. If a player is getting beat by the keeper too much, ask him to shoot with power etc.

   374. I am going to be Frank Posted: April 12, 2012 at 03:43 PM (#4105136)
Thanks - I'll try those things.

I just started a new game as Spurs and already won the Champions League in my third season. I'm trying to see if I can get the club reputation past the Spanish giants.
   375. Randy Jones Posted: April 12, 2012 at 03:53 PM (#4105145)
To all the FM players out there - How do you get your teams to score more goals? I have tons more chances and shots but I can't seem to score as many goals as I should.


I just started a new game as Spurs


presented without comment
   376. I am going to be Frank Posted: April 12, 2012 at 03:55 PM (#4105150)
To be fair I had the same problem with my first game as Madrid (I figured with the learning curve I needed a big advantage).
   377. PepTech Posted: April 12, 2012 at 05:07 PM (#4105222)
15.00 games on Saturday aren't televised


None of them? I know England is roughly the size of Arkansas, but it didn't occur to me that if I were living in, say, Newcastle I wouldn't be able to see my team play. That would kinda suck. Guess Americans are spoiled. Is a Blackburn *ever* on TV outside of the biennial sacrifice to MUFC?

   378. Swedish Chef Posted: April 12, 2012 at 05:17 PM (#4105230)
None of them? I know England is roughly the size of Arkansas, but it didn't occur to me that if I were living in, say, Newcastle I wouldn't be able to see my team play.

It's a concession the Premier League made to the FA to protect the Football League and lower leagues. If you want to see football on Saturday afternoon you have to go support your local team (or stream a match illegally, or get a foreign channel on satellite, or if you're a Stoke supporter you can just look at livescore.com).
   379. Crispix Attacks 2: Swag Airlines Posted: April 12, 2012 at 05:30 PM (#4105241)
Well, you'd have to have been whacked out on pills to think spunking 35MM on Andy Carroll was a good idea...

Fenway Sports Group put Francona in charge of Liverpool as well?
   380. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: April 12, 2012 at 05:43 PM (#4105247)
I just started a new game as Spurs and already won the Champions League in my third season. I'm trying to see if I can get the club reputation past the Spanish giants.

In my Spurs game I won the league in 2013-14, improved the team in the offseason, and slumped to 6th in 2014-15. I was very frustrated. Haven't won the Champions League yet.
   381. PepTech Posted: April 12, 2012 at 05:52 PM (#4105250)
Thanks, Chef. Although, since more money gets allocated to the teams that are on TV, this clearly adds grist to the mill regarding the advantages of being a Big Four club. Gotcha.

So my other original question - do "they" move fixtures from Sat to Sun midyear, or was it known last August that MUFC was only on Saturday twice? Who moves them, if they're moved - the club, FA, Sky? All three?
   382. ursus arctos Posted: April 12, 2012 at 06:00 PM (#4105254)
They are moved over the course of the year, through consultation among all the parties you mention, but English fans have more notice than their counterparts in Spain, where matches are often moved with only a few weeks' notice, or Italy, where it is usually about five or six weeks. It's a genuine pain, especially for travelling supporters.

It's also worth noting that the 15h00 rule as interpreted in England means that Sky can't show a game from another country in that slot, which sometimes causes them to begin broadcasts of Liga matches (for instance) 15 minutes into the first half.
   383. Mattbert Posted: April 12, 2012 at 10:29 PM (#4105360)
Yes, if you are a fan of a Premier League team and can't afford to go see them at the stadium every week then it's quite advisable to move to a different country as soon as possible so you can watch more of their games on television. Hello, irony.
   384. Flynn Posted: April 13, 2012 at 05:24 AM (#4105421)
A few weeks in Spain? More like a few days.

The 3 pm kickoff rule is mainly to protect lower league clubs. If United dropped a couple more points and took on City at 3 pm on a Saturday, I firmly believe it would depress the attendance of lower league clubs. I've gone to a couple games, and what people usually do before a game is watch the lunchtime Premier League game, or after they watch the evening Premier League game. Since ticket revenue is the main source of income for lower league teams, they need the legal protection.
   385. Flynn Posted: April 13, 2012 at 05:28 AM (#4105422)
Thanks, Chef. Although, since more money gets allocated to the teams that are on TV, this clearly adds grist to the mill regarding the advantages of being a Big Four club. Gotcha.


That's not actually true. There is a maximum amount of times in a season one club can be on TV after Man U were getting the Tokyo Giants treatment in the early days of the Premier League. So what Sky does now is very sparingly show the big clubs (often only the derbies) until after the New Year, stashing away their appearances until the meat of the season.
   386. FancyPantsHandle glistening with foreign substance Posted: April 13, 2012 at 05:33 AM (#4105424)
The 3 pm kickoff rule is mainly to protect lower league clubs. If United dropped a couple more points and took on City at 3 pm on a Saturday, I firmly believe it would depress the attendance of lower league clubs. I've gone to a couple games, and what people usually do before a game is watch the lunchtime Premier League game, or after they watch the evening Premier League game. Since ticket revenue is the main source of income for lower league teams, they need the legal protection.


Agreed, but I do think there has to be a better solution than the mess they have right now. Personally, I would schedule all lower league games for Saturday lunchtime, and not let any premier league games on before 3pm. People can go support their local teams, and still be back before the PL matches kick-off. Everybody who wants to watch their team on TV can do it. The league/ Sky gets the revenue from broadcasting extra games. It's win-win-win.
   387. Flynn Posted: April 13, 2012 at 07:28 AM (#4105430)
Saturday lunchtime would disproportionately disadvantage lower league clubs, as there would be no chance of away fans in many fixtures that require travel up and down the country.

Also, there is no requirement for Premier League clubs to play at 3 pm. If they wanted to play at 5 pm then good for them.
   388. FancyPantsHandle glistening with foreign substance Posted: April 13, 2012 at 07:38 AM (#4105432)
Saturday lunchtime would disproportionately disadvantage lower league clubs, as there would be no chance of away fans in many fixtures that require travel up and down the country.


Travelling support for the vast majority of lower division ties is limited to people within reasonable driving distance. Nobody is making a 10 hour round-trip for a League 2 match, and the people that are, are those that would leave at 7 if they had to.

If you have support that is willing to put that type of time commitment into a match, you should be comfortable going head to head with the PL anyway. They've apparently already signed up to missing all other matches on that day.
   389. Flynn Posted: April 13, 2012 at 07:51 AM (#4105438)
Nobody is making a 10 hour round-trip for a League 2 match, and the people that are, are those that would leave at 7 if they had to.


Plenty of people make 10 hour round-trips every weekend, and leaving at 9 am and leaving at 1 are two very different creatures.

If you have support that is willing to put that type of time commitment into a match, you should be comfortable going head to head with the PL anyway. They've apparently already signed up to missing all other matches on that day.


Why should the PL be uber alles? One of the great strengths of English football is that it's not Spain where 2/3rds of the population follow two clubs, or countries where reserve sides play in the third division.

Your categorization of the vast majority of lower league ties as being within reasonable driving distance is completely wrong, by the way. That will not be true so long as the major centres of football clubs are London and The North.

   390. FancyPantsHandle glistening with foreign substance Posted: April 13, 2012 at 07:58 AM (#4105440)
Your categorization of the vast majority of lower league ties as being within reasonable driving distance is completely wrong, by the way.


I didn't say that most ties ARE within reasonable driving distance. I said that if they aren't, people won't make the trip. Which they don't.
   391. ursus arctos Posted: April 13, 2012 at 08:21 AM (#4105442)
Flynn, La Liga has actually gotten better about this this season. Less than a week's notice wasn't unusual in past years, but it has been a couple of weeks at least this time around.

FPH, I think you are underestimating travelling support in the lower leagues in England. The likes of Rotherham are still likely to take more away than are Barcelona.
   392. Swedish Chef Posted: April 13, 2012 at 10:32 AM (#4105524)
Personally, I would schedule all lower league games for Saturday lunchtime, and not let any premier league games on before 3pm.

What kind of incentive would it take to move them off their kick-off time for the last 130 years to a worse time, ####### with their primary source of income? Even if you could find a price which would buy them off, I don't think the clubs would be very happy to confront the fans with the idea.

But this is all solving a non-problem. Few in England would show sympathy for the Prem if they tried to muscle in on Saturday afternoon, underdogs reign in the public opinion and hardcore supporters look down on those that don't travel anyway. Not many would dare to pipe up that they'd love to see Manchester United on TV Saturday 3pm.

And we foreigners have all the TV we want (for truly extortionate fees in Sweden's case).
   393. FancyPantsHandle glistening with foreign substance Posted: April 13, 2012 at 11:00 AM (#4105571)
What kind of incentive would it take to move them off their kick-off time for the last 130 years to a worse time, ####### with their primary source of income?

The incentive is that the PL tells the FA that they are broadcasting the 3pm games, whether they like it or not. If the Football League does not want to go head to head with PL broadcasts, it should be on them to at least make some concessions towards that. They shouldn't be preventing millions of people each weekend from watching their team, or any of the European matches at that time, on TV.
   394. Flynn Posted: April 13, 2012 at 11:12 AM (#4105585)
The incentive is that the PL tells the FA that they are broadcasting the 3pm games, whether they like it or not.


I think Parliament would have something to say about that, as it's illegal.
   395. puck Posted: April 13, 2012 at 11:15 AM (#4105587)
And we foreigners have all the TV we want (for truly extortionate fees in Sweden's case).


It's incredible, actually; there's more than I can watch even just with ESPN, FSC and the plethora of Spanish language channels I have around here (Colorado, no GolTV, Fox Soccer Plus, etc.). If you get ESPN3 you get even more (Bundesliga, La Liga, Eredivisie).

Though with cable/satellite tv being the way it is now, it's changing. Supposedly Al Jazeera has the US rights to La Liga and Serie A starting next season, and there's no word on what channel they'll show it on. Just as I was starting to check out some Mexican clubs, a bunch of them went to a new channel, Univision Deportes, that's only on Dish right now. So who knows what other changes are down the road. I suppose whatever happens, someone will always try to put the Premiership on a fairly available tier...
   396. Obi One Kenobi Nil Posted: April 13, 2012 at 11:23 AM (#4105600)
Giuseppe Rossi has injured himself again, out another six months...
   397. Swedish Chef Posted: April 13, 2012 at 11:27 AM (#4105604)
I think Parliament would have something to say about that, as it's illegal.

Which of course means it would fit right in with Sky's culture, hard to do on the sly though.
   398. zack Posted: April 13, 2012 at 11:48 AM (#4105623)
Supposedly Al Jazeera has the US rights to La Liga and Serie A starting next season, and there's no word on what channel they'll show it on.


I was going to say that AJ is broadcast on free-to-air, but turns out that network is local to the DC area. Wiki says that their satellite feed is free-to-air (if you have the equipment, since it's not encrypted) but who knows what kind of specialty channel the sports broadcasts might be on.

   399. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: April 13, 2012 at 01:02 PM (#4105693)
Johan Cruyff, eh Scousers?

I don't know if it would work, but it would be entertaining!
   400. Swedish Chef Posted: April 13, 2012 at 01:43 PM (#4105740)
Cruyff and Dalglish is at least one has-been too many.
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