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Monday, April 02, 2012

OT: The Soccer Thread: April 2012

Title Run-In’s across the Continent, Champions League Semi-Finals, FA Cup Semi-Finals, and the two month-mark to the start of Euro 2012.

All this—and more—in April!

RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: April 02, 2012 at 12:30 PM | 1045 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   401. Padgett Posted: April 13, 2012 at 01:50 PM (#4105753)
Really interesting look here at how "Moneyball" metrics may be used by Liverpool, building on a comment by The Secret Footballer about being instructed that "a team that wins more than 40 headers, or crosses the ball more than 30 times or makes 12 regains in the final third, will nearly always win." Some highlights:
This supposed Moneyball theory states that by making more than thirty crosses in a game a team will more than likely win, but has that been the case for the Reds this season? Interestingly, not one opposing team has broken the thirty cross barrier against Liverpool during this campaign. . . .

Whilst Liverpool might be adhering to this Moneyball statistical theory relating to crossing, it doesn’t appear to have done them too much good; only two wins from fifteen matches – and none from the nine games with the highest number of crosses – and a disappointing overall points-per-game tally of 0.93, which is relegation form in anyone’s language.

Conversely, the Reds have taken 1.71 points-per-game from their league matches when they have crossed the ball thirty times or less; as that points figure has been enough to secure fourth place in three of the last five seasons, it’s clearly a lot closer to where Liverpool want to be, and so suggests that this particular Moneyball strategy may not be entirely the right way to go. Could this large difference in points-per-game have played a part in the dismissal of Damien Comolli?
   402. Randy Jones Posted: April 13, 2012 at 02:14 PM (#4105783)
"a team that wins more than 40 headers, or crosses the ball more than 30 times or makes 12 regains in the final third, will nearly always win."


Seems like you would need some context for those to really work. I mean, it would be like saying that a baseball team whose batters make contact more than 75 times a game will nearly always win(I am just making these numbers up). It might be true, but it doesn't mean you should tell your hitters to just go up and try to make any kind of contact they can. To bring it back to soccer, you need to go to the video and figure out a way of classifying crosses, headers, etc. the same way batted balls in baseball are split up as GB/FB/LD.
   403. Mefisto Posted: April 13, 2012 at 02:46 PM (#4105842)
In addition to what 402 said, the result of crosses assumes average performance by those in the box. Anyone who's watched LFC this year can see that they're well below average on putting the ball into the net. In fact, that poor performance could have been predicted just from the historical performance of the players they signed (Downing, Henderson, and Adams rarely score).

Edit to add that I suspect Cruyff wouldn't be so enamored of crosses and headers. That would be a pretty remarkable shift of direction.
   404. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: April 13, 2012 at 03:09 PM (#4105879)
Reading take the lead very much against the run of play.
   405. frannyzoo Posted: April 13, 2012 at 04:39 PM (#4106010)
Congrats, Reading! Welcome.
   406. Baldrick Posted: April 13, 2012 at 04:43 PM (#4106021)
Man, this run has been exciting. Southampton were far better for most of the match, but 1-3 is the final result and I will absolutely take it. We're now nine points clear of the playoffs and West Ham has four games left.
   407. ursus arctos Posted: April 13, 2012 at 05:20 PM (#4106079)
The stats in 401 are also highly Anglo-centric.

Any Spanish team that is winning 40 headers in a domestic game is under a very atypical type of attack, and being absolutely hammered.
   408. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: April 14, 2012 at 06:47 AM (#4106449)
I've not been this excited for a soccer game since the World Cup.

COYB!

   409. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: April 14, 2012 at 07:52 AM (#4106462)
I really hate the way defenders can get away with murder in the box while attacking players are whistled for a stern glance. Not that anything really came of it but I didn't think Distin did anything especially harsh on Everton's corner but the whistle went.
   410. FancyPantsHandle glistening with foreign substance Posted: April 14, 2012 at 07:54 AM (#4106464)
I've not been this excited for a soccer game since the World Cup.

I know! Schalke - Dortmund! Revierderby!
   411. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: April 14, 2012 at 07:57 AM (#4106466)
YES! YES!
   412. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: April 14, 2012 at 07:57 AM (#4106467)
Horrible defending there by a couple of guys with enough mileage that they should have handled that a LOT better.
   413. FancyPantsHandle glistening with foreign substance Posted: April 14, 2012 at 08:01 AM (#4106468)
I know somebody who is waking up with a horse's head in his bed tomorrow!
   414. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: April 14, 2012 at 08:19 AM (#4106472)
Good that the half is ending, Suarez is losing control.

Entertaining and fairly even first half. Both sides could still take this.
   415. J. Sosa Posted: April 14, 2012 at 08:47 AM (#4106475)
I think Dalglish may have sealed his fate today. The bizarre enabling of Carragher continues. I can not describe how much Carragher has hurt the team this year without ranting(although if you like, try watching the first part of the season and the second Arsenal game for prime examples and reference the defensive numbers with Agger vs his absence). Carragher has almost reached Perch status in my personal pantheon of incompetent players who play for clubs I support. (Although Perch's run at the start of last season might never be topped, Carra is giving it a run given the FA Cup semi).

Losing Lucas pretty much did them in (as Spearing is always good for a bad pass or a dumb challenge against anybody decent) but they didn't really have much of a choice in playing Spearing given the defensive shortcomings of the other midfielders. Carragher though... This club has been going nowhere fast for awhile now, Coates should have been playing a lot with Agger out to see what they have. But I understood a little at least the reluctance to play Coates. But having Enrique on the bench today so Carragher can make a mess of things? That's late stage insanity. Skrtel and Agger are both (!) playing out of position to enable the Carra fetish. It cost them a goal, and could have cost them more. In a FA cup semifinal derby against Everton.
   416. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: April 14, 2012 at 08:53 AM (#4106478)
So both sides have given away a goal now. Game on!
   417. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: April 14, 2012 at 08:56 AM (#4106480)
Can't imagine what Distin was doing there. He just needed to turn up the sideline and he could have played it to safety. That was comically bad.
   418. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: April 14, 2012 at 09:07 AM (#4106487)
Everton has to start getting the ball in the box in the air more often. Jones doesn't look confident on anything in the air.
   419. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: April 14, 2012 at 09:11 AM (#4106491)
Extra time and a shoot out today right? No replay in the semis?
   420. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: April 14, 2012 at 09:14 AM (#4106492)
Andy Carroll really should have a goal today. A few great chances in the second half.
   421. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: April 14, 2012 at 09:18 AM (#4106496)
Terrific ball in from Bellamy and Carroll finally gets one right.
   422. FancyPantsHandle glistening with foreign substance Posted: April 14, 2012 at 09:20 AM (#4106498)
Extra time and a shoot out today right?

Doesn't look like it now...
   423. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: April 14, 2012 at 09:43 AM (#4106505)
Hurray! Looks like I'll be in Vegas for the final, too.

415: Yeah -- Carragher at this point is Dan Szymborski's Transaction Oracle of burnt toast. It seems pretty inexcusable that Coates hasn't gotten a run of games in the league, particularly given that all hopes of attaining fourth evaporated with that loss to Arsenal. It's been more than a month since then, and Coates has played what, once?, scoring that brilliant goal against QPR? Don't get me wrong -- he's made his share of mistakes in the games he's gotten in, but he can at least do a bit more than grab shirts and hoof the ball, which are more or less Carragher's only remaining attributes.

EDIT: Coates played against Blackburn, too, providing the second assist on Carroll's GWG.
   424. frannyzoo Posted: April 14, 2012 at 10:57 AM (#4106535)
A big goal there for Dortmund and perhaps 'Gladbach. The next half-hour should be fun.

Ooohhh...and Hertha scores while a man down to tie up Bayer. C'mon Hannover!
   425. frannyzoo Posted: April 14, 2012 at 12:12 PM (#4106554)
The Serie A weekend postponed due to the collapse/death of Livorno's Morosini.
   426. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: April 14, 2012 at 02:51 PM (#4106608)
The Serie A weekend postponed due to the collapse/death of Livorno's Morosini.

Just terrible. Torino's game has also been cancelled so they have 2 games to make up now.

Is it just a coincidence that once Man City was "out" of the title race they look like world beaters again? I wonder if Mancini doesn't get wound too tight when the pressure is on and the team feeds on that.

Real tied with Sporting Gijon at the half.
   427. Swedish Chef Posted: April 14, 2012 at 02:56 PM (#4106610)
Is it just a coincidence that once Man City was "out" of the title race they look like world beaters again?

I suppose it has a lot to do with Balotelli.
   428. J. Sosa Posted: April 14, 2012 at 03:17 PM (#4106615)
You beat me to it chef. Tevez for Balotelli.

I know the Special One supposedly wanted to take over for SAF, but he doesn't seem a manager to stay in one place long anyway so potentially ruling himself out for the Man U job by managing City isn't out of the question. I'd be surprised if he isn't at City next year and comprises a redux of what happened at Inter.
   429. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: April 14, 2012 at 05:57 PM (#4106684)
####### Everton...
   430. Jeffo has an El Camino full of Rampage Posted: April 14, 2012 at 06:08 PM (#4106691)
Agreed...I was with/at the Everton bar in NYC earlier this morning (before the Yankee game, and boy didn't THAT go well...) and it was sad how quiet it got with those 2 goals. :(
   431. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: April 15, 2012 at 11:04 AM (#4106925)
The English really do the moment of silence well. They just had one at old trafford and I thought I had hit the mute button on my tv it was so quiet.
   432. FancyPantsHandle glistening with foreign substance Posted: April 15, 2012 at 11:23 AM (#4106935)
The English really do the moment of silence well. They just had one at old trafford and I thought I had hit the mute button on my tv it was so quiet.

For Piermario Morosini, a name 99% of the crowd had probably never heard before yesterday...
   433. Swedish Chef Posted: April 15, 2012 at 12:05 PM (#4106962)
For Piermario Morosini, a name 99% of the crowd had probably never heard before yesterday...

Oh, I thought the moment of silence was for Aston Villa.
   434. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: April 15, 2012 at 12:53 PM (#4106992)
Anticipating Spurs today is akin to anticipating electro-shock therapy. I'm going to watch, but I'm already cringing.

Montpellier is about to lose so PSG can draw level later on today.
   435. Spivey Posted: April 15, 2012 at 02:09 PM (#4107055)
That was such a garbage call, both on the non-foul by Terry bulling over 3 Tottenham players and then that wasn't even close to being a goal and it wasn't the head judge's call to make (which explains why he ###### it up so badly). Edit: this was actually closer upon slo-mo, but it still looks like a non-goal.

The Drogba goal was world class though.
   436. President of the David Eckstein Fan Club Posted: April 15, 2012 at 02:10 PM (#4107056)
Horrific officiating on that second Chelsea goal, just unbelievably bad.
   437. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: April 15, 2012 at 02:12 PM (#4107059)
I figured, after the foul wasn't called, the ball must have at least crossed the line.

Nope.
   438. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: April 15, 2012 at 02:14 PM (#4107062)
Red card for Cech? That's a straight red there by rule.

Does the fact that they played advantage make it any less a red? I guess I don't know for sure, but I didn't think that was the rule.
   439. Spivey Posted: April 15, 2012 at 02:15 PM (#4107063)
This game just got real.
   440. President of the David Eckstein Fan Club Posted: April 15, 2012 at 02:16 PM (#4107064)
I wonder that too - isn't that at least a yellow for Cech given he got Adebayor and none of the ball, regardless of whether Bale scored anyway? I don't really know the rules here.
   441. Spivey Posted: April 15, 2012 at 02:20 PM (#4107066)
I agree it should have been a red.

A red and a penalty kick is worth a lot more than a goal when you're down 2 IMO.
   442. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: April 15, 2012 at 02:23 PM (#4107073)
That's the good and bad of Lennon. Gorgeous play to get the ball in a good position, and then somehow fails to see Bale making an unmarked run down the left.
   443. Swedish Chef Posted: April 15, 2012 at 02:32 PM (#4107082)
Does the fact that they played advantage make it any less a red? I guess I don't know for sure, but I didn't think that was the rule.

The goalscoring opportunity isn't denied if the goal is scored, so the decision is correct.
   444. Spivey Posted: April 15, 2012 at 02:44 PM (#4107097)
Well, the game got away in a hurry. Is Redknapp still a shoo-in for the England job? Tottenham haven't exactly been playing very well lately.
   445. President of the David Eckstein Fan Club Posted: April 15, 2012 at 02:56 PM (#4107108)
Another awful moment for Spurs' defenders, who had a nightmare of a game. Still, you have to wonder what the game looks like at 1-1 after Bale's goal (or even 1-1 with Chelsea down to 10 men). Chelsea were by far the better side the last third or so of the game but a lot of that was Spurs looking pretty demoralized I think.

Also, from the BBC's play by play

"Ben in Southampton: "This is why there shouldn't be goal line technology. Decisions like that give us the drama and the controversy. It's a part of football at all levels. Keep it as it is!""

I hate arguments like this. We're not talking about reviews of every minor play or decision - a goal decision can completely alter the course of a match.
   446. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: April 15, 2012 at 02:56 PM (#4107110)
So Liverpool will get Chelsea twice in the matter of a week, with the chance to deny them a Champions League spot and a trophy. Torres' return to Anfield, too. Narratives galore.
   447. Mefisto Posted: April 15, 2012 at 06:53 PM (#4107279)
Narratives, maybe, but evil wins either way. :)
   448. frannyzoo Posted: April 15, 2012 at 10:44 PM (#4107377)
If Dortmund really hated Schalke it would purposely lose at home to 'Gladbach next week. Schalke has a pretty easy run-in, but it does have two away games out of three. Third in the Bundesliga could certainly be up for grabs if only Dortmund would throw a game. Not that I'm encouraging this in the least.
   449. Mattbert Posted: April 16, 2012 at 01:21 AM (#4107429)
The place I'm staying in Shanghai is just down the road from the Hongkou Stadium where Shenhua play. Sadly I cannot yet report any Anelka sightings, although I have been by the ground a couple times.
   450. Obi One Kenobi Nil Posted: April 16, 2012 at 05:39 AM (#4107467)
If those are the statistics being used by the "football sabrematricians" then their teams are going to lose a lot of games (and resemble a typical Sam Allardyce team). It's also nothing different from what Charles Reap noticed fifty years ago.
   451. FancyPantsHandle glistening with foreign substance Posted: April 16, 2012 at 05:57 AM (#4107471)
If those are the statistics being used by the "football sabrematricians" then their teams are going to lose a lot of games

Which just shows that the best people for analysing football are not members of the Society for American Baseball Research...
   452. Flynn Posted: April 16, 2012 at 07:50 AM (#4107491)
Even Reep knew his statistical findings had some limitations. I remember flipping through Jonathan Wilson's book on tactics, and there was an FA guy who was even more radical than Reep. His misrepresented Reep's findings to the point that Reep got pissed off and cut off contact with him.

Football is just not enough of a set of discrete events to really invite the kind of statistical analysis the study thinks it does.
   453. Swedish Chef Posted: April 16, 2012 at 08:02 AM (#4107499)
Also there is the matter of causality. That dominating teams tend to have a lot of headers doesn't mean a team that goes out of its way to head the ball will be dominating. If I weren't such a nice guy I would call it cargo cult thinking.
   454. Flynn Posted: April 16, 2012 at 08:08 AM (#4107500)
Exactly. Ursus pointed this out on another board - a Spanish team that headed the ball 40 times a game would get its ass kicked.
   455. FancyPantsHandle glistening with foreign substance Posted: April 16, 2012 at 08:21 AM (#4107503)
Ursus pointed this out on another board

You mean post #407 in this thread?
   456. Flynn Posted: April 16, 2012 at 09:14 AM (#4107528)
Well sorry for forgetting that he made that point on BTF and not WSC.
   457. ursus arctos Posted: April 16, 2012 at 12:04 PM (#4107731)
Go read this now.

'It is with heavy heart that I confirm to you the rumours: Josep Guardiola is leaving FC Barcelona—'

I'm waiting. Just waiting.

'We would have liked nothing more than to have retained his services—'

Just waiting. Waiting here behind the board.

'—but we know that some people are marked out for a higher calling—'

Waiting here behind the board. The sponsors' board.

'—and we couldn't stand in Pep's way—'

The board they sold to the Qataris. The board they sold to ####### UNICEF.

'So he will shortly become manager of the Spanish national team—'

I can see them. They can't see me. Not through the board. Not through the shiny ####### board. They can't see me. But I can see them. See into their heads.

'—Archbishop of Barcelona—'

I can see them, and I'm waiting. Just waiting. Waiting for my entrance.

'—Crown Prince of several lucrative overseas markets—'

Waiting for my entrance. Waiting to walk onto my stage.

'—and President-for-Life-designate of Catalonia, which, as you know, will shortly be granted full sovereignty by King Juan Carlos personally, on account of Barça's magnificent performances in recent seasons—'

Waiting to walk onto the stage that I've been waiting for all my life. The stage that was built for me.

'In order to minimize disruption to our club, we have decided to move swiftly in appointing a replacement—'

Waiting for the audience that are waiting for me. But they don't know they're waiting for me. No ####### clue. No ####### clue at all.

'We have found someone with vast experience, who has had great success and knows Barça very—'

I step out from behind the board. I don't need to be cued up. I write my own ####### cues.

They all gasp. They all look like Jesus ####### Christ has walked out from behind that board. If they didn't have notepads in their hands, if they didn't have notepads and dictaphones in their hands, if they didn't have notepads and dictaphones and ####### cheese rolls in their hands, they wouldn't know whether to punch my lights out or stroke my beautiful face.
   458. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: April 16, 2012 at 12:48 PM (#4107814)
The best part is the appearance of Peter Crouch. Peter Crouch playing for Barcelona would be the greatest thing ever.

The Damned United really is a great book. It makes me wished I'd had the idea to do that book for Billy Martin.
   459. Swedish Chef Posted: April 16, 2012 at 01:47 PM (#4107968)
It makes me wished I'd had the idea to do that book for Billy Martin.

You can do a watered-down American version in a baseball milieu, like the Fever Pitch movie.

Also, let me take this opportunity to reserve for me the novelization of Roy Keane's managerial career. That's mine, just so you know it.
   460. President of the David Eckstein Fan Club Posted: April 16, 2012 at 02:43 PM (#4108052)
Good news

Muamba out of the hospital, looks good for a man who was dead for 78 minutes.
   461. frannyzoo Posted: April 16, 2012 at 03:11 PM (#4108078)
Has someone alerted the Arsenal defense that the game has started?
   462. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: April 16, 2012 at 06:25 PM (#4108275)
Bayern haters will enjoy this. Schadenfreude overload, baby!

Also, I don't care what anyone says about Wigan, if they stay up, they freaking deserve it. Holy Toledo!
   463. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: April 16, 2012 at 06:29 PM (#4108282)
   464. PepTech Posted: April 16, 2012 at 06:46 PM (#4108293)
So what would a bettor have made on a Wigan parlay this week?
   465. FancyPantsHandle glistening with foreign substance Posted: April 16, 2012 at 07:52 PM (#4108367)
So what would a bettor have made on a Wigan parlay this week?

Parlayed with what?
   466. FancyPantsHandle glistening with foreign substance Posted: April 16, 2012 at 08:17 PM (#4108392)
Never mind, I'm an idiot. About 75/1.
   467. Textbook Editor Posted: April 16, 2012 at 09:44 PM (#4108494)
Wow... So is the door open just a crack for Spurs to get back into the race for 3rd? Of course, if they continue the run of form of late it won't matter, but a win on the weekend and they're 2 points back with 4 to play (same goes for Newcastle as well, of course).

And wow... Not a fan of the kit in #463.
   468. Crispix Attacks 2: Swag Airlines Posted: April 16, 2012 at 10:08 PM (#4108513)
Parlayed with QPR two weeks ago?
   469. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: April 16, 2012 at 10:42 PM (#4108532)
Yeah, those USMNT kits were leaked a while back. I think I kind of like them, actually. Maybe that's just relative to the current kits with the diagonal stripe, which I'm not crazy about. The new top will go well with my Poland pants.
   470. puck Posted: April 16, 2012 at 10:55 PM (#4108545)
I really hate the way defenders can get away with murder in the box while attacking players are whistled for a stern glance.


Speaking of murder, Rafa Marquez received no infraction for this takedown.

Was Marquez a dirty player at Barca? He's pulled some real bush league stuff in MLS (not to mention what he's done for El Tri).
   471. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: April 16, 2012 at 11:54 PM (#4108575)
I'm not a huge Marquez fan, but I don't think there was anything too malicious or dirty about what he did there. He performed a slightly-more-egregious version of what seems to pass for defending on a corner. Salinas loses his footing -- no doubt caused by Marquez' bear-hug, but again, I don't think his intent was to "run opponent into the ground" -- and it's an unlucky and unfortunate result.
   472. puck Posted: April 17, 2012 at 01:31 AM (#4108606)
You missed him kicking the guy on the ground.
   473. FancyPantsHandle glistening with foreign substance Posted: April 17, 2012 at 03:30 AM (#4108636)
Congratulations Fürth.
   474. ursus arctos Posted: April 17, 2012 at 07:28 AM (#4108657)
Marquez wasn't Mother Theresa at Barca, but he's turned it up a couple of notches over here.
   475. ursus arctos Posted: April 17, 2012 at 07:33 AM (#4108662)
In estate agent news, Pogrebnyak has just bought Mourinho's old house in London.
   476. FancyPantsHandle glistening with foreign substance Posted: April 17, 2012 at 07:40 AM (#4108667)
Pogrebnyak


Gesundheit.

Classic Mouinho press conference ahead of the CL game tonight btw...
   477. Juan V Posted: April 17, 2012 at 09:53 AM (#4108718)
   478. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: April 17, 2012 at 10:11 AM (#4108728)
Ronaldinho? I can sort of see Kaka, but Ronaldinho? That's just perverse!
   479. Mefisto Posted: April 17, 2012 at 11:25 AM (#4108779)
So which evil empire will folks here be rooting for in the Real/Bayern semifinal?
   480. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: April 17, 2012 at 12:26 PM (#4108874)
Big day in the Championship today. Reading can clinch promotion if they win and West Ham doesn't get all 3 points. West Ham MUST win if they want automatic promotion.

So which evil empire will folks here be rooting for in the Real/Bayern semifinal?

Oboy, I don't know. Do I want another Real-Barca match up?
   481. Randy Jones Posted: April 17, 2012 at 12:52 PM (#4108901)
So which evil empire will folks here be rooting for in the Real/Bayern semifinal?

Oboy, I don't know. Do I want another Real-Barca match up?


I am pretty tired of watching RM and Barca play each other, but the only emotion I can generate for German soccer is hating Bayern. So go RM.
   482. PepTech Posted: April 17, 2012 at 01:38 PM (#4108948)
Look at the bright side, Barca might not win, then we'd have Chel... oh, never mind.
   483. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: April 17, 2012 at 01:41 PM (#4108953)
I'm planning on rooting for excitement, goals, and comebacks. I want them to do cool things while I sit on my couch.
   484. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: April 17, 2012 at 01:52 PM (#4108960)
I'm rooting for Bayern and Chelsea. The combination of being a relative newbie and not following the Bundesliga means I don't hate Bayern Munich and I love watching Ribery and Robben. I want Chelsea to win just to add some drama to the final. I feel like having Barca in the final is going to be an inevitable result.
   485. frannyzoo Posted: April 17, 2012 at 04:35 PM (#4109095)
I'm excited for Bayern's goal. Now that's a precise combination of words I never thought I'd write.
   486. President of the David Eckstein Fan Club Posted: April 17, 2012 at 04:38 PM (#4109097)
I think Bayern looked pretty good tonight although the away goal for Real puts them in a good position heading back to Madrid. I'm rooting for Bayern though, as I'd like at least one non-Spanish side and I dislike Chelsea.
   487. Arnett Mead (Arjun) Posted: April 17, 2012 at 04:42 PM (#4109101)
2-1's a good score; sets up the second leg pretty nicely, I think.
   488. frannyzoo Posted: April 17, 2012 at 04:43 PM (#4109102)
Oh...and now, officially, congrats to Reading. Welcome.
   489. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: April 17, 2012 at 05:58 PM (#4109138)
Antonio DiNatale is class.

Congrats to Reading and almost congrats to Southampton! And it looks like the playoff field is just about set. West Ham, Birmingham, Cardiff and Blackpool.
   490. Mefisto Posted: April 17, 2012 at 06:07 PM (#4109144)
I can't believe I actually enjoyed rooting for Bayern, but the more thuggish Real played the more I did. Ribery needs to take acting lessons though.
   491. FancyPantsHandle glistening with foreign substance Posted: April 17, 2012 at 07:14 PM (#4109172)
I'm rooting for Bayern

I'm excited for Bayern's goal.

I actually enjoyed rooting for Bayern

Thumbscrews for everyone! By fire be purged!

Ceterum censeo Bayern esse delendam.
   492. frannyzoo Posted: April 17, 2012 at 07:30 PM (#4109183)
But wouldn't a 10-0 Barca win against Bayern in the Final at Allianz be great! Well, to some of us, anyway.
   493. JuanGone..except1game Posted: April 17, 2012 at 09:18 PM (#4109266)
I don't know why, maybe the Bayern result and recent form, but I'm feeling reasonably confident about Chelsea's chances. Don't get me wrong, I still think that its more likely that Barca defeats us, but I do think that we have a chance. I actually believe that Torres can be pivotal (if he starts) and we've been able to grind out consistent results lately, which is the only way we defeat Barca.

TJ
Also, in Aussie Footy, I went to the Collingwood/Carlton match last Friday where the Pies got absolutely destroyed. Luke Ball is out for the year and after Collingwood's recent losses to Carlton and Hawthorne, plus discontent with their manager means that Collingwood has a up-hill start.
/TJ
   494. Baldrick Posted: April 17, 2012 at 09:21 PM (#4109269)
Reading is promoted!!!

Really excited to actually be able to see a bunch of their games next year. Really worried that we'll go straight back down. I have a feeling that the 'lots of good players, no great ones, and a very solid defense' model isn't going to translate all that well to the Premier League. But we'll see. It's a nice 'problem' to have to worry about.

2-1 in the Bayern-Madrid game is just about the perfect score to set up the second leg.
   495. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: April 18, 2012 at 02:13 PM (#4109777)
Evidently Anelka really is the manager

This contradicts the wire stories that he was just a coach, but this writer sounds like he knows what he's talking about. China soccer sounds sort of nuts.
   496. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: April 18, 2012 at 02:35 PM (#4109795)
China soccer sounds sort of nuts.
FTFY. But I will grant that this is an espcially crazy sounding situation.

EDIT: To add, an impression not at all mitigated by that photo of Anelka, which I can only assume was taken at the Williamsburg Hall of Music
   497. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: April 18, 2012 at 03:05 PM (#4109834)
As my FM 2010 commentary likes to say, Barca being profligate with their chances in front of goal ...
   498. Swedish Chef Posted: April 18, 2012 at 03:41 PM (#4109878)
Great job by the underdog Chelsea.
   499. PepTech Posted: April 18, 2012 at 03:53 PM (#4109888)
Wow - what a turnabout at the end of the half. It was going to be 1-0 Barca before that clear.
   500. Ron J Posted: April 18, 2012 at 03:56 PM (#4109890)
Talking about Barca and pressure, one thing I noticed for the first time. If a Barca player is receiving the ball under pressure, there's somebody in his line of sight telling him where to go with the ball. It's a little thing, seems obvious and I've seen it happen with other teams. With Barca though it seems to be something they do every time.
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