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Wednesday, April 03, 2013

OT: The Soccer Thread, April 2013

THE key April game:

April 6th Hamburglar v SC FREIBURG: Grudge match of the year featuring two clubs oblivious to the grudginess of the match. Be there!

Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 03, 2013 at 12:49 PM | 916 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   201. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 11, 2013 at 01:08 PM (#4410831)
Solution: Buy Everton F.C.

You'd think they'd let me buy it in the modern sense of letting the banks pay for the club and then I let the club pay back the banks?
   202. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 11, 2013 at 01:09 PM (#4410833)
Looks like Chelsea is winning the land war in Russia.
   203. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 11, 2013 at 01:16 PM (#4410842)
   204. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: April 11, 2013 at 01:33 PM (#4410864)
I feel like a logical thing for an oligarch to do would be buy one of the teams in the Welsh Premier League. If you bring in a professional roster you should be able to get into the Champions League qualifiers regularly, and if you keep doing it the revenue from those things really adds up. You'll get a ton of media coverage (compared to doing the equivalent in Bosnia or Malta or somewhere), little risk of political interference...

Specifically, buy Aberystwyth Town. It seems like a great place to live, and is so isolated that no UEFA bureaucrat is going to want to shlep all that way to investigate you for Financial Fair Play violations or whatever.
   205. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 11, 2013 at 02:23 PM (#4410925)
Spurs sticking with Brad Friedel in goal and Kyle Naughton at LB in place of Assou-Ekotto.
   206. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: April 11, 2013 at 03:07 PM (#4410976)
You'd think they'd let me buy it in the modern sense of letting the banks pay for the club and then I let the club pay back the banks?


Geez man, if you have the system laid out what are you waiting for?

   207. Swedish Chef Posted: April 11, 2013 at 03:11 PM (#4410981)
Geez man, if you have the system laid out what are you waiting for?

But using banks is so yesterday, they want inconvenient things (like their money back) that can really cramp your style, the new thing is to start the MegaShooty Sports Fund Ltd based in the Middle East (because everybody there is rich, right?) and buy the club for an IOU, no money down.
   208. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 11, 2013 at 03:29 PM (#4410999)
U-S-A! U-S-A!
   209. AuntBea Posted: April 11, 2013 at 03:32 PM (#4411002)
Nice idea for a through ball. Clown shoes are notoriously slippery in the wet. It's good to see Dempsey score.
   210. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 11, 2013 at 03:33 PM (#4411003)
Oh Spurs. Why must you always toy with me?
   211. AuntBea Posted: April 11, 2013 at 03:33 PM (#4411004)
oh....
   212. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 11, 2013 at 03:51 PM (#4411028)
I'm on delay for the second half. COYS and all that good stuff.
   213. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: April 11, 2013 at 04:17 PM (#4411056)
Oh Spurs. Why must you always toy with me?

Why did the scorpion sting the frog?
   214. Darkness and the howling fantods Posted: April 11, 2013 at 04:46 PM (#4411090)
Captain America!
   215. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: April 11, 2013 at 05:04 PM (#4411105)
Those Basel kits look like motley.
   216. Darkness and the howling fantods Posted: April 11, 2013 at 05:20 PM (#4411127)
Brad Friedel does not fill me with confidence these days.
   217. Darkness and the howling fantods Posted: April 11, 2013 at 05:27 PM (#4411132)
Great block from Dawson.
   218. AuntBea Posted: April 11, 2013 at 05:28 PM (#4411135)
spurs look extremely tired
   219. I am going to be Frank Posted: April 11, 2013 at 05:42 PM (#4411144)
It looks like the only PK Friedel could possibly save is one hit right at him.
   220. Darkness and the howling fantods Posted: April 11, 2013 at 05:45 PM (#4411147)
Well, at least they didn't get my hopes up or anything.
   221. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: April 11, 2013 at 09:18 PM (#4411294)
Just watched the game on replay. I've never been so sure a player is going to miss a PK as I was when Adebayor started his run-up.

Friedel probably should have stopped the first Basel goal. The far corner was cut off due to the Spurs defenders, he really should have had the near corner covered.
   222. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 12, 2013 at 08:02 AM (#4411497)
I've never been so sure a player is going to miss a PK as I was when Adebayor started his run-up.

Me too! Once Thud missed I knew we were doomed. Friedel just doesn't have enough spring to cover PK's like he used to. I'm really disappointed Spurs are out. Weirdly, the thing I'll miss the most is the draw. I love when Spurs are part of the draw. At least the A's humiliated the Angels again last night. Not a bad consolation prize!
   223. The Kentucky Gentleman, Mark Edward Posted: April 12, 2013 at 10:37 AM (#4411643)
As a Dortmund fan, I think I would've liked to see them play Barca in the semis, if nothing else the entertainment value would be high. And Barca looks vulnerable.

But they beat and drew RM in the group stages so that's a plus. How did RM look against Galatasaray? They looked decent against Man U in the first leg but I wasn't overly impressed with their second match.
   224. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 12, 2013 at 10:41 AM (#4411649)
I'm just happy it's not Dortmund v Bayern and Barca v Real. I'm kind of sick of those games.
   225. DA Baracus Posted: April 12, 2013 at 10:46 AM (#4411656)
the new thing is to start the MegaShooty Sports Fund Ltd based in the Middle East


I can't support a Shooty FC if it's bankrolled by Middle East oil money. Bitcoins though, that I can get behind.
   226. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 12, 2013 at 10:48 AM (#4411661)
I can't support a Shooty FC if it's bankrolled by Middle East oil money.

But I only want to build up the local community while making the world feel more positive about my brand. Who can't get on board with that?
   227. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 12, 2013 at 10:50 AM (#4411663)
Who does Pep root for between Bayern and Barca? I bet Barca because, if Bayern win the Cup, the best Pep can do next year is tread water.
   228. Spivey Posted: April 12, 2013 at 11:07 AM (#4411680)
The Champions League matchups are awesome.

I don't really know who I'd pick in either, though I think I'd slightly favor Real over Dortmund. Barca has looked too vulnerable in the CL for me to say they're a clear favorite over Bayern.
   229. Mefisto Posted: April 12, 2013 at 11:12 AM (#4411687)
I'd have preferred Real v Bayern, just to guarantee the elimination of one Evil Empire, but the draw looks pretty entertaining. Dortmund v Barca would be an incredible final, so I'm rooting for that.
   230. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: April 12, 2013 at 11:19 AM (#4411698)

I can't support a Shooty FC if it's bankrolled by Middle East oil money. Bitcoins though, that I can get behind.


Reddit already has a team.
   231. Topher Posted: April 12, 2013 at 11:59 AM (#4411759)
But [Dortmund] beat and drew RM in the group stages so that's a plus.


I'm not really disagreeing with this. It is obviously beneficial to know that Dortmund has been the better side thus far. That said, Mourinho is pretty brilliant at making tactical adjustments and the fact that he has two games to study and dissect is going to be an advantage for Real.
   232. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 12, 2013 at 12:02 PM (#4411765)
What's the situation with Sahin? Is he still offically a Real loanee?
   233. Swedish Chef Posted: April 12, 2013 at 12:02 PM (#4411766)
I can't support a Shooty FC if it's bankrolled by Middle East oil money. Bitcoins though, that I can get behind.

I saw that the Winklevii has invested heavily in bitcoins. Oil money is the way to go.
   234. Mefisto Posted: April 12, 2013 at 12:06 PM (#4411772)
Not to be too incredibly geeky here, but it's "Winklevoi".
   235. DA Baracus Posted: April 12, 2013 at 12:34 PM (#4411816)
I saw that the Winklevii has invested heavily in bitcoins. Oil money is the way to go.


Damnit. Maybe Shooty needs to get in on the ground floor of something else.
   236. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 12, 2013 at 12:38 PM (#4411824)
I had to google bitcoins. I have to admit I can't quite wrap my mind how that would work but I don't want to take this thread off topic so I'm going to stick with good old fashioned petroleum, blood diamonds, and palm oil plantations to fund my vanity projects.
   237. DA Baracus Posted: April 12, 2013 at 12:46 PM (#4411831)
I have to admit I can't quite wrap my mind how that would work


Don't worry, neither do people who buy them.
   238. The Kentucky Gentleman, Mark Edward Posted: April 12, 2013 at 01:09 PM (#4411867)
I'm not really disagreeing with this. It is obviously beneficial to know that Dortmund has been the better side thus far. That said, Mourinho is pretty brilliant at making tactical adjustments and the fact that he has two games to study and dissect is going to be an advantage for Real.


That might be true, but after Dortmund beat RM in the first group stage match Mourinho had the chance to change his tactics and that led to a 2-2 draw in Madrid.

This current Dortmund team is less healthy but hopefully Hummels & Schmelzer will be fully fit by the end of the month. Not sure about the health of RM or if they'll be missing anyone due to cards.

What's the situation with Sahin? Is he still offically a Real loanee?


IIRC he's on an 18 month loan. I can see him getting a good amount of playing time over the next several weeks in the Bundesliga.
   239. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 12, 2013 at 01:58 PM (#4411928)
IIRC he's on an 18 month loan. I can see him getting a good amount of playing time over the next several weeks in the Bundesliga.

Is he allowed to play against Real?

Big game for Freiburg coming up. They go joint 4th with a win and, more realistically, it gets them a step closer to Europa League. Heady times for SC Freiburg.
   240. cheng Posted: April 12, 2013 at 02:23 PM (#4411976)
We've had all-English finals (Man U/Chelsea), all-Spanish (Real/Valencia), and all-Italian (Juve/Milan), maybe it'll be Germany's turn now. Another indication of how much the Bundesliga has recently risen with respect to the other big time leagues in Europe.
   241. The Kentucky Gentleman, Mark Edward Posted: April 12, 2013 at 02:32 PM (#4411997)
Is he allowed to play against Real?


I'm pretty sure he can, right? IIRC he began this season on a loan to Liverpool, returned to RM, I'm almost positive he didn't play in any CL matches (let alone domestic games) for RM, then loaned to Dortmund. Doesn't a player need to be at the very least dressed to be cup-tied?
   242. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 12, 2013 at 02:34 PM (#4412001)
I'm pretty sure he can, right? IIRC he began this season on a loan to Liverpool, returned to RM, I'm almost positive he didn't play in any CL matches (let alone domestic games) for RM, then loaned to Dortmund. Doesn't a player need to be at the very least dressed to be cup-tied?

I don't mean cup-tied, but I'm thinking of the PL rule that a loaned player can't face his parent club. I have no idea how that works in international tourneys, though.
   243. Swedish Chef Posted: April 12, 2013 at 02:47 PM (#4412015)
I don't mean cup-tied, but I'm thinking of the PL rule that a loaned player can't face his parent club.

That is just the result of whining from Chelsea, nothing that has spread.
   244. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 12, 2013 at 02:53 PM (#4412024)
I've got the Freiburg game on an English language stream. I've never watched a Freiburg game with English speaking announcers before.
   245. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 12, 2013 at 02:55 PM (#4412026)
Fellas. Got to 101Greatgoals and see the own goal Hannover just let in. Wow. Clownshoes doesn't begin to describe it. I will take it!

edit: I totally forgot Cherundolo would be playing in this game.
   246. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 12, 2013 at 03:19 PM (#4412057)
The Hannover own goal

To be savored. 2-1 Freiburg at the half.
   247. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: April 13, 2013 at 08:00 AM (#4412891)
For your daily dose of WTF?
   248. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: April 13, 2013 at 10:28 AM (#4412945)
Did anyone else's Fox Soccer suddenly change to BeIN for about ten seconds?
   249. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: April 13, 2013 at 11:41 AM (#4412973)
Wow, Arsenal get a huge ####### lucky break. In no way is that a penalty, and the ####### linesman gave it?

(Also, it came off a corner kick that should have been a goal kick.)
   250. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: April 13, 2013 at 11:43 AM (#4412975)
That's a very very harsh penalty. It IS by rule a penalty but that just never gets called. It's the equivalent of calling a runner safe on a phantom tag on a double play in the bottom of the ninth. If you are going to rule something one way then be consistent.
   251. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: April 13, 2013 at 11:44 AM (#4412976)
The ####### linesman on the far side, who was looking through about 8 players while the ref was standing 10 feet away and looking *right* at it ...
   252. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: April 13, 2013 at 11:45 AM (#4412977)
And of course Arsenal are going to win now. So ridiculous.

That's a very very harsh penalty. It IS by rule a penalty but that just never gets called. It's the equivalent of calling a runner safe on a phantom tag on a double play in the bottom of the ninth. If you are going to rule something one way then be consistent.

I mean, even if you want to give fouls for that they're tugging at each other. It's not exactly one-sided.
   253. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: April 13, 2013 at 11:51 AM (#4412983)
Ooops.

Great shot by Podolski, of course, it shouldn't have counted since Wolcott was offsides on his touch which wasn't called by ... the ####### linesman ...
   254. Textbook Editor Posted: April 13, 2013 at 02:50 PM (#4413150)
Can anyone explain why Milwall fans would fight each other? I'm completely confused.
   255. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 13, 2013 at 03:15 PM (#4413175)
Disappointing that Norwich couldn't hold on, but I wasn't expecting miracles from that game. In happier news, Partick Thistle are now 8 points clear with a game in hand so they are going up. Leverkusen at least held Schalke so Freiburg are only a point behind a CL spot. I watched Liverpool and Reading and I have no idea how Liverpool didn't win that game. They are a maddening mix of awesome and futile. And I might finally watch my first MLS game this season. The gf is out of town and, after staying up last night to watch the A's greatest win ever of all time, I'm going to be too tired for anything else. Don't put me to sleep MLS. I want to be entertained!

edit: And ####, Wigan are probably going to Europe! I can't express how much it makes me cry inside that Bradford City, Birmingham City, Wigan and so on can get to Cup finals but Spurs can't. Crying, I am...on the inside!
   256. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 13, 2013 at 03:21 PM (#4413186)
Can anyone explain why Milwall fans would fight each other? I'm completely confused.

Do they need a reason? They're Millwall fans!
   257. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: April 13, 2013 at 04:28 PM (#4413262)
Do they need a reason? They're Millwall fans!
They're practicing for next time they go to West Ham
   258. Jeffo has an El Camino full of Rampage Posted: April 13, 2013 at 04:58 PM (#4413293)
Speaking of West Ham, I went to Smithfield on 28th Street in NYC today to watch the 10 AM games (specifically Everton) and some sort of Hammers club meets there for games. They had 2 flags hanging on the walls, and the sound for the games up by the bar was their game. In addition to various colorful swearings, I got to hear them all sing "Forever blowing bubbles" when West Ham equalized, which was pretty funny, especially since the bar overall was pretty subdued.

The Bayern crowd in the back seemed happy, and the Liverpool 2 fans I saw there were exasperated.

I only ended up there because I had to come in to work right after the game, but they have a pretty good setup, especially if you are a West Ham fan.

Being a CPA, I don't need to explain to you how pleased I am that the Everton-Arsenal game is on 4/16 instead of this past week. Unlike this morning, I will be drinking for that one...

And no offense meant to Wigan and Swansea, whom I do enjoy watching, but I'm going to be a bit annoyed when they are playing in Europe next year and Everton is not despite (most likely) finsihing 6th.
   259. Juilin Sandar to Conkling Speedwell (Arjun) Posted: April 13, 2013 at 06:08 PM (#4413365)
I've linked the site before, but it might be hard to top the length/depth of Chris Henderson's NWSL full preview. Anyway, I think they're live-streaming the games on the NWSL website/youtube, so that might be useful if that is in fact the case.
   260. Mefisto Posted: April 13, 2013 at 06:29 PM (#4413392)
Thanks for that link, Arjun. It's odd to see McCall Zerboni described as a "youngster". She's my daughter's age and they played against each other several times at the club level.

Here's a link for the KC/Portland game. You can find others from there.
   261. I am going to be Frank Posted: April 13, 2013 at 06:31 PM (#4413395)
I guess I have to root for the Russian gas oligarch over the Middle Eastern oil sheikh tomorrow.

I liked Smithfield's - it has a decent selection of beer and its not stereotypical Irish pub fare.
   262. Mefisto Posted: April 13, 2013 at 08:37 PM (#4413456)
Well, the Portland back line certainly is living down to expectations.
   263. Juilin Sandar to Conkling Speedwell (Arjun) Posted: April 13, 2013 at 10:07 PM (#4413481)
I'm not sure if that was a penalty/how that was a penalty... (for the tying goal, I mean)
   264. Juilin Sandar to Conkling Speedwell (Arjun) Posted: April 13, 2013 at 10:29 PM (#4413493)
Pretty good game for FCKC (at least the part which I was able to see). Erica Tymrak was impressive and they were pretty organised in general.
   265. Mefisto Posted: April 13, 2013 at 10:49 PM (#4413509)
The ref must have thought the defender pulled Sinclair down, but it didn't look like it to me.

   266. The Kentucky Gentleman, Mark Edward Posted: April 13, 2013 at 10:56 PM (#4413517)
Watching Dortmund dismantle Greuther Furth today got me to thinking which team would win an Anti-Champions League tournament, consisting of teams currently in the relegation zone in each of Europe's 4 biggest leagues:
Wigan
QPR
Reading
Zaragoza
Celta Vigo
Mallorca
Palermo
Genoa
Pescara
Hoffenheim
Augsburg
Greuther Furth

I think Wigan would take this title, maybe Augsburg. And did you know Pescara has a goal differential of -44?
   267. Mefisto Posted: April 13, 2013 at 11:22 PM (#4413525)
I wasn't impressed with Portland at all. They have, literally, the two best forwards in the world, and couldn't get the ball to either of them. KC played well and deserved better.
   268. Juilin Sandar to Conkling Speedwell (Arjun) Posted: April 14, 2013 at 12:10 AM (#4413543)
I wasn't impressed with Portland at all. They have, literally, the two best forwards in the world, and couldn't get the ball to either of them.

I agree completely. They looked really disorganised. What struck me is that as the game wore on, Sinclair dropped deeper and deeper until, for the last fifteen or so minutes, she was basically playing as a central midfielder (not even an attacking midfielder, even deeper). I'm not sure whether it's missing Tobin Heath (although the few times she charged forward, Allie Long wasn't all that bad in the Heath role) or if it's because they don't have a metronomic/holding midfielder (for my money it's this; there seemed to be no structure at all to their attack or defense, which was a huge contrast to FCKC and the really solid Scott/Buczkowski axis in the centre of the park for them), but they didn't look good at all.

Morgan seemed really frustrated and bored for the entire match.
   269. Textbook Editor Posted: April 14, 2013 at 01:40 AM (#4413568)
Do they need a reason? They're Millwall fans!


Ah, yes... but you see, I don't even really understand what that means. Is there a link to a rundown of the no-good, awful, horribleness of Millwall fans, and why they apparently beat up each other instead of opposing fans?

Think of me like a guy from a small fishing village in Siberia asking someone to explain why a lot of Americans seem to think fans in Philadelphia are mentally deranged...
   270. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 14, 2013 at 08:22 AM (#4413585)
Toon are really getting screwed in this game.
   271. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 14, 2013 at 08:48 AM (#4413593)
Think of me like a guy from a small fishing village in Siberia asking someone to explain why a lot of Americans seem to think fans in Philadelphia are mentally deranged...

ursus or Richard or Flynn may know the history. I'm not sure why they are the way they are. I wonder if some of it isn't a little bit of living up to a myth like Oakland Raiders fans used to do. (Ironically, the myth of the Oakland Raiders fans being thugs didn't start until they moved to L.A. Raiders fans were blue collar in the 70's but they weren't mindless thugs. The fanbase took a turn for the stupid when they were in L.A. and it stuck when they came back to Oakland.)

Newcastle just can't seem to shake this relegation scrum though I'm confident they'll be fine. 3 or 4 more points should see them through and I think they'll get that easily. Di Canio is more of a spazz than AVB!
   272. Richard Posted: April 14, 2013 at 09:12 AM (#4413596)
Millwall have had that reputation for as long as I remember, though I have never seen their fans fighting each other before.

I have been to their ground - in a working class part of London, sandwiched between an incinerator, a railway line and a gypsy camp! - a couple of times and never had any problems there, but the bigger games do bring more than a handful of nutters out there. There was a huge riot they started in Luton in 1985 at a cup game, and a lot of trouble after a playoff defeat in 1994.. Their ground has been closed due to violence more than any other teams' (though this hasn't really happened anywhere since the1980s).

The fans sing "no one likes us, we don't care" and do play on this image a bit, you can go years without any trouble. But they are possibly the one team from the hooligan heyday that still carries that reputation.
   273. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 14, 2013 at 09:31 AM (#4413602)
Thanks Richard.

I'm watching Stoke-Man U, but man, I can't build up any real interest in it.
   274. Swedish Chef Posted: April 14, 2013 at 09:49 AM (#4413605)
I'm watching Stoke-Man U, but man, I can't build up any real interest in it.

Beats watching di Canio making the trains run on time in Sunderland.
   275. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 14, 2013 at 10:02 AM (#4413608)
Beats watching di Canio making the trains run on time in Sunderland.

If I had made a joke that Sunderland were getting more calls their way than the German team in Victory, would it have been remotely funny?
   276. Mefisto Posted: April 14, 2013 at 10:10 AM (#4413610)
They looked really disorganised. What struck me is that as the game wore on, Sinclair dropped deeper and deeper until, for the last fifteen or so minutes, she was basically playing as a central midfielder (not even an attacking midfielder, even deeper). I'm not sure whether it's missing Tobin Heath (although the few times she charged forward, Allie Long wasn't all that bad in the Heath role) or if it's because they don't have a metronomic/holding midfielder (for my money it's this; there seemed to be no structure at all to their attack or defense, which was a huge contrast to FCKC and the really solid Scott/Buczkowski axis in the centre of the park for them), but they didn't look good at all.

Morgan seemed really frustrated and bored for the entire match.


I shut down my computer after my last post last night, so I missed this. This seems like a pretty good diagnosis. I'm not sure it's just the midfield, though. Left back was a real problem for them too. Honestly, KC should have generated more chances for all their dominance.
   277. I am going to be Frank Posted: April 14, 2013 at 10:53 AM (#4413632)
I don't know who rolls over more for SAF - Tony Pulis, Mark Hughes or Steve Bruce?
   278. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: April 14, 2013 at 11:03 AM (#4413633)
I don't think Pulis rolled over. This was just than Stoke being Stoke. What, were they supposed to unleash all their creative attacking players and overwhelm United in midfield? They suck, and the one thing they can do a little bit is sit back and defend. So they did that, United created relatively few chances compared to their typical performance, but it was still more than enough.

I don't understand why Wilkinson ever plays for Stoke. He doesn't seem to be anything more than a simple thug. I guess maybe that's why Wilkinson plays for Stoke.
   279. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: April 14, 2013 at 11:07 AM (#4413635)
I only saw the second half of Newcastle-Sunderland, but I thought Sunderland looked pretty good. I don't think Stephane Sessegnon has played a game that good all season, and even Adam Johnson seemed lively.

As distasteful as Paolo Di Canio is--and he is very distasteful--his record at Swindon was really impressive. He might be good at this.
   280. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 14, 2013 at 11:33 AM (#4413651)
Jozy had a hat trick today, though 2 were PKs.
   281. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 14, 2013 at 11:42 AM (#4413656)
Just watched the AZ highlights...Jozy won the two penalties so that makes the hat trick more impressive, I think. I wonder where he'll be playing next year? I think he could really do a job for Everton.

Also, I hate when horse face scores.
   282. Spivey Posted: April 14, 2013 at 12:00 PM (#4413668)
I wonder where he'll be playing next year?

Hopefully the USMNT.
   283. Spivey Posted: April 14, 2013 at 12:01 PM (#4413671)
Bayern Munich's goals for and allowed this year is 83 to 13 in the Bundesliga. That is absolutely ridiculous.

Is Neuer considered the best keeper in the world these days?
   284. I am going to be Frank Posted: April 14, 2013 at 12:02 PM (#4413672)
I think Pulis doesn't believe his team can beat United. His team is pretty terrible but United has shown vulnerability to teams who have big, physical players who try to exploit set pieces and crosses. Every time I've seen Stoke play against United its never even been competitive. United played three strikers, a winger and an attacking midfielder today.
   285. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 14, 2013 at 12:07 PM (#4413676)
Hopefully the USMNT.

I just want to see him get some decent service for once. Please Klinsmann, find a way to get the big guy involved.

That was a fine, fine header from Aguero. Game over, I think.
   286. Spivey Posted: April 14, 2013 at 12:09 PM (#4413680)
In all seriousness, I think Jozy could play just about anywhere besides the top few teams in the EPL, La Liga, and Bundesliga. He's been in an inspired run of form.

Seems to me like Liverpool could use him.
   287. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: April 14, 2013 at 12:14 PM (#4413687)
His team is pretty terrible but United has shown vulnerability to teams who have big, physical players who try to exploit set pieces and crosses.
Stoke did play a whole bunch of big, physical players and try to exploit set pieces. They just showed no ability to produce a quality ball in the air, and United dominated midfield because Stoke sucks at possession.

United have also tightened up their back line significantly since the early season - with Vidic healthy and De Gea on a rich run of form, there haven't been any real problems at the back for United since December.
   288. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 14, 2013 at 12:15 PM (#4413688)
Seems to me like Liverpool could use him.

Hmm. Yeah, I think the could play for anyone but Chelsea/Man U/Man City. He'd be intriguing at Arsenal, too. I think he's better than Giroud.
   289. Spivey Posted: April 14, 2013 at 12:19 PM (#4413694)
United played three strikers, a winger and an attacking midfielder today.

Probably a good strategy if you're going to have 70% of the possession.
   290. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: April 14, 2013 at 12:21 PM (#4413696)
Watching the City/Chelsea game, it's kind of amazing how anonymous both Mata and Oscar have been. I can't tell to what degree they're just overworked, and to what degree Mancini's strategy of putting some bigger bodies in midfield (Toure, Barry, Milner) has kept them quiet. Toure in particular is bossing the game.
   291. KronicFatigue Posted: April 14, 2013 at 12:24 PM (#4413699)
First, thanks for these OT soccer threads. I'm trying to get more into the sport and lurking on here has been really helpful. One dumb question I have: why do goalies often boot the ball to midfield on goal kicks (or even regular possessions) even though it results in a lost possession 50% of the time? To my untrained eyes, it seems like short passes to defenders would be more successful as getting the ball at least to midfield seems very easy. Is there a "high reward" play that I'm not aware of? Do big punts leading to long headers to quick goals happen often enough to justify the high-risk?

Also, if any of you are trying to convert friends, Champions League seems to have worked the best. Obviously WC and Euro Cup are givens, but I've now followed CL for two years, and the simplicity of the format has been fantastic. I've even been able to drag out coworkers for late lunches on Tuesdays and Wednesdays and they've been into it. That leads to a general knowledge of the big teams which trickles down to their leagues.
   292. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 14, 2013 at 12:26 PM (#4413702)
Watching the City/Chelsea game, it's kind of amazing how anonymous both Mata and Oscar have been. I can't tell to what degree they're just overworked, and to what degree Mancini's strategy of putting some bigger bodies in midfield (Toure, Barry, Milner) has kept them quiet. Toure in particular is bossing the game.

I think there's some fatigue at work for Chelsea.

Nothing like Fernando Torres to bring out the best in Demba Ba, I guess. Now THAT was a very Stoke like goal.
   293. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 14, 2013 at 12:31 PM (#4413708)
Where did that Chelsea flurry come from?
   294. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: April 14, 2013 at 12:32 PM (#4413709)
City's defense just put on some awesome clownshoes. Barry (I think?) playing Mata onside there was a horrible blunder, and then sixty seconds later Clichy gets bullied off the ball on the endline (which he should have just cleared) by Hazard.
   295. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 14, 2013 at 12:36 PM (#4413712)
First, thanks for these OT soccer threads. I'm trying to get more into the sport and lurking on here has been really helpful. One dumb question I have: why do goalies often boot the ball to midfield on goal kicks (or even regular possessions) even though it results in a lost possession 50% of the time? To my untrained eyes, it seems like short passes to defenders would be more successful as getting the ball at least to midfield seems very easy. Is there a "high reward" play that I'm not aware of? Do big punts leading to long headers to quick goals happen often enough to justify the high-risk?

Jump in more! The more the merrier. You're right and I had the same question when I first started following the sport. The reason teams do it is because if the other team is pressuring the CB's then losing possession in that area could lead to an easy attempt for the other team. If you hoof the ball forward you are more likely to lose possession but it will be in a much safer place and, if you win possession, you're already in a more dangerous area to start an attack.
   296. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: April 14, 2013 at 12:40 PM (#4413717)
Agreed with Shooty, and I also think it also has to do with the ball skills of the back line. World class clubs play center and full backs whom you can trust when pressed by the opposition forward line, but mediocre EPL clubs don't always trust those guys. Building up from the back is a better strategy, I think, but you need the talent to do it. (You also need the preparation, and a lot of coaches don't emphasize such things in training.)
   297. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 14, 2013 at 12:41 PM (#4413718)
What is Aguero doing? Am I crazy or did he just jump on Luiz deliberately?
   298. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: April 14, 2013 at 12:42 PM (#4413720)
Whoa, usually when someone commits a "two-footed tackle" it means the second foot comes into play at some point in the move. Aguero just did a double-footed jump/stomp on Luiz's right buttcheek. He should be off. What an idiot.

I don't think there's any way that wasn't deliberate. If you just watch his face on the replay, you can see the moment his lizard brain takes over (right after Luiz gives him a shove into his challenge).
   299. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 14, 2013 at 12:42 PM (#4413721)
I think, but you need the talent to do it. (You also need the preparation, and a lot of coaches don't emphasize such things in training.)

Yeah. Watch how often Spurs hoof the ball with Lloris and opposed to with Friedel. The keeper matters, too.
   300. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 14, 2013 at 12:42 PM (#4413722)
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