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Wednesday, April 03, 2013

OT: The Soccer Thread, April 2013

THE key April game:

April 6th Hamburglar v SC FREIBURG: Grudge match of the year featuring two clubs oblivious to the grudginess of the match. Be there!

Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 03, 2013 at 12:49 PM | 916 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   301. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 14, 2013 at 12:43 PM (#4413723)
He should be off. What an idiot.

So I'm not crazy. How is that not a red? He and Luiz have been going at it all game so I think that was some frustration coming out.
   302. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: April 14, 2013 at 12:43 PM (#4413724)
6 hours until I'm at the Boston Breaker's game! Imma need to learn all the chants. Also, man. Left back is a total mess for this team, first Short got hurt, then Mitts retired, and now D'Augustino has an ACL tear. They're gonna be pulling women from the benches if things get any worse.
   303. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: April 14, 2013 at 12:45 PM (#4413726)
How is that not a red?
It wasn't anything, which means the ref missed it. Does that mean the FA can or will suspend him for some league games?
   304. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 14, 2013 at 12:45 PM (#4413727)
They're gonna be pulling women from the benches if things get any worse.

I suggest showing up in drag!
   305. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 14, 2013 at 12:46 PM (#4413728)
#### you horse face!
   306. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: April 14, 2013 at 12:47 PM (#4413729)
First, thanks for these OT soccer threads.


These threads and Football Manager have helped me understand football so much better, to the point where I'm probably like a 10 year old English kid. I can actually understand how an attack is put together now!

eta:
I suggest showing up in drag!


No, my goal for the night is to antagonize JJ Watt about how the Patriots neutralized him last year in the unlikely event he comes to support his girlfriend. Plus, even in a Juwana Mann situation I'd be sent off so fast it wouldn't be funny. I have a bad tendency to foul and make reckless challenges when I get beat, and considering that the girls I played soccer with a decade ago in college were vastly better than me, I either wouldn't last 5 minutes until my second yellow or (more likely) i would never be able to get close enough to the player currently making me look like a fence post to even foul them.
   307. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: April 14, 2013 at 12:47 PM (#4413730)
City have switched to three at the back. Well, that's certainly never failed for Mancini before.
   308. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 14, 2013 at 12:50 PM (#4413731)
This is still the only soccer message board I post on. I've flirted with other places, but I like the general topics here and that the fanboyism, while present of course, doesn't go to 11.
   309. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 14, 2013 at 12:51 PM (#4413733)
More good news for Freiburg...Eintracht Frankfurt are losing to Augsburg.
   310. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 14, 2013 at 12:54 PM (#4413734)
Does Wigan have a chance? I'm going to say...naw.
   311. Juilin Sandar to Conkling Speedwell (Arjun) Posted: April 14, 2013 at 12:55 PM (#4413735)
This is still the only soccer message board I post on. I've flirted with other places, but I like the general topics here and that the fanboyism, while present of course, doesn't go to 11.

Pretty much the same for me, yeah.
6 hours until I'm at the Boston Breaker's game! Imma need to learn all the chants.

Have fun! Hopefully there are some of the Riptide there, heh.
Also, man. Left back is a total mess for this team, first Short got hurt, then Mitts retired, and now D'Augustino has an ACL tear. They're gonna be pulling women from the benches if things get any worse.

If it helps, the Spirit look pretty awful on paper. Let us know how it goes! I'm particularly interested in seeing if Diana Matheson is any good (I've been banging the Matheson drum for several years). I'll probably be streaming Chicago-Seattle (I *should* make some effort to know the "local" team).
   312. Spivey Posted: April 14, 2013 at 01:02 PM (#4413741)
Is it just me or did Wigan have a comically easy run to get to the FA Cup final? Have to give them credit for beating Everton 3-0 in the quarterfinals, beyond that they have played 2 teams in the Championship relegation battle and a good League One team.
   313. Baldrick Posted: April 14, 2013 at 01:05 PM (#4413744)
The FA Cup is weird. It's surprisingly easy to navigate into the late rounds. And if you happen to get drawn against some other teams who also had super-easy routes, then: boom, suddenly you're in the semifinals.

Put that together with the 'big' teams not taking it tremendously seriously in the early rounds, and the space at the top gets all the less cluttered.
   314. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: April 14, 2013 at 01:06 PM (#4413745)
These threads and Football Manager have helped me understand football so much better, to the point where I'm probably like a 10 year old English kid. I can actually understand how an attack is put together now!

I would also suggest maybe trying the FIFA games as well. I have had some pretty good success "teaching" baseball and American football to Brits, by just plomping a copy of Maddon or MLB 2k in front of them. Doing works better than explaining.
   315. Spivey Posted: April 14, 2013 at 01:07 PM (#4413746)
I can understand why the big teams don't take the Carlsberg/Capitol One Cup seriously, but the FA Cup seems worthy of being taken seriously.

How did Everton lose 3-0 to Wigan? That doesn't make a lick of sense. It was at home, with a legitimate lineup fielded.
   316. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: April 14, 2013 at 01:08 PM (#4413748)
Joe Maddon Baseball is indeed a good game.
   317. Spivey Posted: April 14, 2013 at 01:16 PM (#4413752)
The fact that Nani went from probably Man U's second best player last year to regularly not even suiting up is ridiculous. ####### Man U.
   318. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: April 14, 2013 at 01:20 PM (#4413756)
err yeah I meant Madden obviously...

Moar coffeeeeee...
   319. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: April 14, 2013 at 01:29 PM (#4413760)
   320. KronicFatigue Posted: April 14, 2013 at 01:59 PM (#4413781)
I would also suggest maybe trying the FIFA games as well. I have had some pretty good success "teaching" baseball and American football to Brits, by just plomping a copy of Maddon or MLB 2k in front of them. Doing works better than explaining.


Oh yeah, I've been playing FIFA for years, but it's only been the past 2 or so where the complexity of club's schedules have started to make sense. Sounds silly, but the "through pass" button really helped me see offensive attacks
   321. Randy Jones Posted: April 14, 2013 at 02:26 PM (#4413800)
I would also suggest maybe trying the FIFA games as well. I have had some pretty good success "teaching" baseball and American football to Brits, by just plomping a copy of Maddon or MLB 2k in front of them. Doing works better than explaining.


PES is much better than FIFA for this(and as a game in general, but that's a different discussion).
   322. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: April 14, 2013 at 02:29 PM (#4413806)
PES is much better than FIFA for this(and as a game in general, but that's a different discussion).

Possibly, I haven~t really played any of the more recent ones...
   323. Randy Jones Posted: April 14, 2013 at 02:47 PM (#4413834)
Some years, FIFA has been the better game, but PES(and Winning Eleven before it) has always been closer to a simulation. As in you have to play the game like soccer is actually played and build up your attack and pass the ball around and such.
   324. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: April 14, 2013 at 06:35 PM (#4414075)
Spirit have looked the better side to start, pressing on the Breakers defense. This stadium is horrible for evening games, the sun sets directly across from the stands.
   325. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: April 14, 2013 at 06:45 PM (#4414078)
Breakers have been much better than the spirit over the last half dozen minutes. But no real chance yet.

And then the spirit get an easy goal. Ugh.
   326. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: April 14, 2013 at 06:58 PM (#4414084)
This is a frustrating game. Possession is AOL to the breakers and they're being profligate in front of the net, so they're down after 28 minutes.
   327. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: April 14, 2013 at 07:22 PM (#4414091)
Tiffany McCarty of the Spirit had looked great so far.
   328. Juilin Sandar to Conkling Speedwell (Arjun) Posted: April 14, 2013 at 07:26 PM (#4414097)
Chicago 1-1 Seattle at the half, they're going to get the second half started soon enough. Missed the first half, but I'm hoping that the webcast isn't too bad (the WNY Flash-Sky Blue FC livestream is actually decently okay, I think).

Thanks for the updates Scott! I'm definitely reading.
   329. Juilin Sandar to Conkling Speedwell (Arjun) Posted: April 14, 2013 at 07:30 PM (#4414098)
Chicago-Seattle is being temperamental (probably my internet honestly), so switched to SBFC-WNY.
   330. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: April 14, 2013 at 07:31 PM (#4414100)
The Breakers dominated possession for most of the first half, but the troubles of the back line have given DC three good goal chances, two of them coming on the counter. Meanwhile the Breakers have only had a couple half chances, they're not connecting on any of their crosses. Start of the 2nd half.
   331. Juilin Sandar to Conkling Speedwell (Arjun) Posted: April 14, 2013 at 07:39 PM (#4414101)
Really nice save by Adrianna Franch to deny De Vanna who, in the fifteen minutes I've watched, has already had a couple of solid chances. WNY can't seem to create anything in the midfield and are basically just booting the ball up to Abby Wambach every time they attack.

EDIT: as I type that, Franch makes another really good save on a shot from distance. Apparently the goal was an OG.
   332. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: April 14, 2013 at 07:43 PM (#4414102)
Leroux had a great clean breakthrough, then totally choked on taking the shot from about 15 yard s out.
   333. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: April 14, 2013 at 07:48 PM (#4414106)
The Breakers defense is like tissue paper. Matheson has been everywhere for the spirit.
   334. Juilin Sandar to Conkling Speedwell (Arjun) Posted: April 14, 2013 at 07:49 PM (#4414107)
SBFC attack very fluid; Lisa De Vanna's movement and speed are messing with the WNY backline (they've messed up on the ball over the top a couple of times as well).
   335. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: April 14, 2013 at 07:58 PM (#4414111)
73 minute mark here in Boston. Spirit are getting good counter attacks, Boston keeps biffing their attacks. Boston finally gets some sustained pressure.
   336. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: April 14, 2013 at 08:01 PM (#4414112)
Looks like the reef missed a clear handball by the Spirit in the area.
   337. Juilin Sandar to Conkling Speedwell (Arjun) Posted: April 14, 2013 at 08:01 PM (#4414113)
That's game in New Jersey, 1-0 the final but, honestly, Franch kept WNY in it. Could have easily been more (De Vanna alone could have scored a couple more). Switching over to Chicago-Seattle, which is working again now, still 1-1 with about eleven minutes left.
   338. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: April 14, 2013 at 08:08 PM (#4414115)
Leroux has been deeply unimpressive.
   339. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: April 14, 2013 at 08:12 PM (#4414116)
And Leroux has a good effort in the 85th minute that's shaken up Ashlynn Harris.
   340. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: April 14, 2013 at 08:17 PM (#4414119)
Leroux equalizes in stoppage time!!
   341. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: April 14, 2013 at 08:20 PM (#4414120)
Ok, who says that draws are boring?

ETA: Clearly what I needed to do all game was call out Leroux for being unimpressive and she'd suddenly turn it on.
   342. Mefisto Posted: April 14, 2013 at 08:52 PM (#4414129)
Just want to say I appreciate the PBP reports. I couldn't watch for the classically good reason that I was visiting my sick mother, so thanks.
   343. zack Posted: April 15, 2013 at 09:54 AM (#4414353)
Typical scenes at the Tyne-Wear derby

That horse has kneepads.
   344. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 15, 2013 at 10:55 AM (#4414402)
Pre-season just got serious!

Or, more likely, probably not.
   345. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 15, 2013 at 11:00 AM (#4414410)
'Arry knows of impending financial troubles.

"They won't go," said Redknapp, suggesting a side who exhibited little unity at Goodison Park will remain together next season. "How are you going to get rid of them? That's your biggest problem. They all have contracts. How are they going to go? Who is going to pay them what they are earning here? It is going to be very hard to shift them."

Perhaps it was a veiled swipe at his predecessor, Mark Hughes, who brought many of them to Loftus Road, but unanswered questions amounted to an indictment of Rangers' recruitment policy. Despite their players' illustrious pasts and the cliched assumption sides with big-name footballers are too good to go down, Redknapp hinted they have been too bad to stay up. "You say [they are] talented players but I don't know," he asked. "Are they that talented?" Their track records suggest they are, but these are mismatched medal winners, signed from more glamorous clubs but often in decline. Saturday's starters alone included alumni of Internazionale, Real Madrid, Chelsea and Manchester United.
Harry Redkanpp QPR manager Harry Redknapp said the club's big-name players will be reluctant to leave, even if Rangers are relegated to the Championship.

The journey from Champions League to Championship may be swift for many of them, the landing in the lower league an unpleasant shock. "I hear that all the time that if they get relegated they want to go because they don't want to play in the Championship," added Redknapp. "But if they ####### played better they would not be in the Championship so that's a load of cobblers."
   346. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 15, 2013 at 12:20 PM (#4414487)
   347. DA Baracus Posted: April 15, 2013 at 12:37 PM (#4414502)
Pre-season just got serious!

Or, more likely, probably not.


B Team World Championship!
   348. Mefisto Posted: April 15, 2013 at 02:39 PM (#4414740)
I can't believe the FA has let Aguero off the hook for that idiocy with Luiz. The FA needs to modify its review standards ASAP.
   349. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 15, 2013 at 02:50 PM (#4414757)
I can't believe the FA has let Aguero off the hook for that idiocy with Luiz. The FA needs to modify its review standards ASAP.

It just furthers my theory that the FA does things pretty randomly. It was comically ineffective, but Aguero sure looked like he was aiming to injure Luiz.
   350. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 15, 2013 at 03:07 PM (#4414788)
I don't know, maybe this is bad but it's still a billion gillion times better than this old favorite.
   351. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 15, 2013 at 03:52 PM (#4414835)
I learned something today.

The worst Bundesliga team of all time. I like the name, though.
   352. Ron J2 Posted: April 15, 2013 at 04:07 PM (#4414856)
#317 The contrast between their options in attack and defense are just weird. Kind of neat to see, "Screw it, we'll outscore you" work so well.
   353. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 16, 2013 at 06:22 PM (#4416112)
Get ready for the Wales Derby in the PL next year. Cardiff City...just another Big Red Club.
   354. Mefisto Posted: April 16, 2013 at 07:30 PM (#4416159)
Good result for Everton today.
   355. Textbook Editor Posted: April 16, 2013 at 07:48 PM (#4416183)
SPURS THINK FACTORY

Good result for Spurs today.
   356. puck Posted: April 16, 2013 at 11:21 PM (#4416495)
How did Everton lose 3-0 to Wigan? That doesn't make a lick of sense. It was at home, with a legitimate lineup fielded.

It was weird--they got blitzed in a few minute run. They let their guard down--and Wigan uncharacteristically punished them.
   357. puck Posted: April 16, 2013 at 11:31 PM (#4416502)
Sounds like NBC is going to pull out all the stops for the EPL next year.
   358. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: April 16, 2013 at 11:37 PM (#4416507)
[357] That's tits-on-bacon great!
   359. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: April 17, 2013 at 07:00 AM (#4416560)
Yeah, I'm pretty excited for all that coverage next year. The most amusing thing is that on the final day of the season, there will be games on the likes of SyFy, E!, and Bravo.
   360. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 17, 2013 at 07:26 AM (#4416565)
Holy ####...we're getting Match of the Day!
   361. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: April 17, 2013 at 09:09 AM (#4416602)
Holy ####...we're getting Match of the Day!

*whistles theme song*
   362. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: April 17, 2013 at 09:13 AM (#4416604)
By the way, MOTD is available live on BBB iplayer, and MOTD2 is live or on-demand. Now it is blacked out outside of the UK, but I hear there are Firefox extensions that get around that...
   363. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 17, 2013 at 09:21 AM (#4416611)
With NBC going full on EPL, I need to figure out what to do with my Fox 2go subscription. They still have CL and Europa plus the occasional SPL game which WILL INCLUDE THE MIGHTY PARTICK THISTLE next year. I wonder if they'll lower the price without EPL?
   364. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: April 17, 2013 at 09:34 AM (#4416623)
This deal with NBC sounds great. I'm a little wary of the fact that they're going to hire new announcers but the fact that they're starting with Arlo White makes me feel we aren't getting another Gus Johnson mess here.
   365. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 17, 2013 at 09:41 AM (#4416629)
Lots of soccer today. Inter and Roma in the Italian Cup and, of course, Stuttgart and Freiburg in the semis of the German Cup. And some wanker teams in England are playing...
   366. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 17, 2013 at 11:21 AM (#4416731)
   367. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 17, 2013 at 12:40 PM (#4416861)
Just spent a few minutes catching up on promotion/relegation stuff around Europe.

I knew Blackburn and Wolves in the relegation scrum but I hadn't realized Bolton had put themselves into position to make the playoffs. Only 1 point behind 6th with 3 to play. Hull City are most likely going up so we'll have Steve Bruce to kick around again. I bet Fergie can't wait for those easy 6 points. Monaco is going up in France, which isn't surprising with the money their new oligarch is throwing around. Villareal have a good shot at promotion but are currently in a playoff spot. Hertha Berlin are headed back to the Bundesliga. Racing Santander--Carlos Bocanegra's club--are in danger of being relegated to Spain's 3rd division. Yikes! AFC Wimbledon are currently safe but on life support in League 2. It would be a bummer if they dropped out of the Football League. Conversely, looks like another season in League 1 for MK Dons.

Also, in fluky things that mean nothing to anyone but me...if Sunderland get relegated, it's possible none of the teams I associate with Brian Clough will be in the top flight next season. Only Brighton would have a chance unless Nottingham make a late run for a playoff spot.
   368. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: April 17, 2013 at 03:25 PM (#4417091)
Monaco was a really good team, not that long ago.
   369. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 17, 2013 at 03:30 PM (#4417095)
Monaco was a really good team, not that long ago.

I know, but that doesn't change the fact they have an oligarch throwing money around now.

Anyway, Stuttgart taking it to Freiburg so far. 2-1 at the half.
   370. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 17, 2013 at 03:31 PM (#4417099)
ESPN has Roma playing a 3-3-4. Heh.
   371. Juilin Sandar to Conkling Speedwell (Arjun) Posted: April 17, 2013 at 03:44 PM (#4417115)
Now both of Chelsea's centre backs have scored.
   372. Juilin Sandar to Conkling Speedwell (Arjun) Posted: April 17, 2013 at 03:47 PM (#4417123)
Also, for how long has Urby Emanuelson been playing for Fulham? Is it a loan or is he there permanently?
   373. ursus arctos Posted: April 17, 2013 at 03:51 PM (#4417126)
Going back to the Clough thing, Forest are only a single point out of the playoffs, so it isn't that much a reach to think that they will make it with three games left.

The Championship is a bit of a Cloughie nostalgia fest right now: 'Boro, Derby, Brighton, Leeds and Forest. If the Mackems go down and no one goes up, the only one missing will be Hartlepool.
   374. ursus arctos Posted: April 17, 2013 at 03:57 PM (#4417132)
Urby Emanuelson has been on loan at Fulham (from Milan) since the end of January.
   375. Juilin Sandar to Conkling Speedwell (Arjun) Posted: April 17, 2013 at 04:30 PM (#4417159)
Thanks ursos!

Terry scores again, Chelsea up 3-0 with goals only scored by centre backs.
   376. DA Baracus Posted: April 17, 2013 at 04:34 PM (#4417163)
I know, but that doesn't change the fact they have an oligarch throwing money around now.


Well it is Monaco. It's fitting.
   377. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 17, 2013 at 05:29 PM (#4417210)
I will trade today's loss to Stuttgart for a win on Sunday. Thanks in advance!
   378. jmurph Posted: April 18, 2013 at 11:08 AM (#4417847)
After reading this Guardian piece, can someone explain why Premier League teams aren't absolutely swimming in TV money? Are their executives just terrible at their jobs?
   379. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 18, 2013 at 11:31 AM (#4417868)
After reading this Guardian piece, can someone explain why Premier League teams aren't absolutely swimming in TV money? Are their executives just terrible at their jobs?

I'm not sure what you mean? They kind of are swimming in tv money but all that cash goes to players/agent/stadium developers/banks/hangers on, etc. Are you wondering why they're in debt? Chelsea and Man City are only in "debt". Spurs and Arsenal have stadium development debt. Man U and Liverpool are victims of the modern mania of buying things without actually paying for them. I get the feeling the mid-tier clubs are all in debt from trying to keep up with the Joneses. It's no surprise to see that West Brom, Swansea, Norwich and Wolves are debt free as they are as well run clubs as is probably possible (Wolves' on pitch performance not withstanding, of course).
   380. Swedish Chef Posted: April 18, 2013 at 11:34 AM (#4417870)
Are their executives just terrible at their jobs?

The top teams are spending over their means trying to keep up with United. The rest are spending over their means trying to get into Europe and/or avoiding relegation.
   381. jmurph Posted: April 18, 2013 at 11:41 AM (#4417880)
Are you wondering why they're in debt?


Right I guess this is my question, sorry to not be very specific. I should have just said "swimming in money" and left out the TV part. I get that MLB and NBA teams can hide their profits in their tv networks and pretend they're not making much, but my (perhaps terribly misguided sense) is that the accounting rules in the UK are much stricter. How are all of these teams doing so poorly financially?
   382. Swedish Chef Posted: April 18, 2013 at 11:51 AM (#4417894)
How are all of these teams doing so poorly financially?

I don't think that they are generally, the losses mostly comes from City and Chelsea where the owners don't mind losing money. Aston Villa, for one, was in a transition that season from a club eating big losses in order to challenge to something more sustainable.

Owners that don't care about profits may be what is really alien to Americans. Also, the dread of relegation isn't a thing over there.
   383. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: April 18, 2013 at 12:14 PM (#4417921)
Also, teams outside the United States don't have local governments giving them nine-figure sums to build a stadium. Even when it's obvious that the team needs a stadium and the municipality itself would benefit from having a big stadium that is less than 60 years old. It's just not a conceivable option.

Except West Ham.
   384. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 18, 2013 at 12:19 PM (#4417927)
Except West Ham.

And Man City. I think. I probably should google this before posting but, aw, #### it.
   385. jmurph Posted: April 18, 2013 at 12:27 PM (#4417938)
Ahh, the stadium thing is a great point. And yes Shooty, City's was for... the Goodwill Games, something like that? Is that a thing?
   386. Swedish Chef Posted: April 18, 2013 at 12:31 PM (#4417944)
And yes Shooty, City's was for... the Goodwill Games, something like that? Is that a thing?

Commonwealth games.
   387. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 18, 2013 at 12:41 PM (#4417957)
Ahh, the stadium thing is a great point. And yes Shooty, City's was for... the Goodwill Games, something like that? Is that a thing?

It's kind of depressing to think about it, so I try not to as Tottenham are at the limit of what they can currently achieve, realistically. Money talks and you can usually line up the table with how much each club turns over. I think the future in England is one in which Man U dominates even more than they do now. Look at a club like Fulham or even Everton (who have done an amazing job punching above their weight) and think about their aging, smallish stadiums, how expensive players have become since Chelsea and then Man City started throwing cash around, how expensive it is to have an academy and reserve/junior teams and how relegation can crush a club if they don't bounce right back up and the pressure that causes. You read forums in English papers and the underlying, unspoken hope of a lot of fans is that an oligarch or sheik will come to the rescue. Many won't admit it, but a hell of a lot of Arsenal fans (Arsenal!) let themselves become momentarily giddy when the rumors of a Sheik takeover were floated before the Tottenham game. I've seen this kind of reluctant, bust wishful thinking on Spurs boards, too. It also came up when AEG were rumored to take over so it's not just Arabs some fans are hopeful of, but anyone who will do a Chelsea or a Man City for the club. These kind of hopeful posts are immediately followed with, "Oh, but I wouldn't really want it, because we wouldn't be Tottenham (or we wouldn't be Arsenal) but I get the feeling that's a bit disingenuous for a lot of people. And this is Spurs and Arsenal, not the Sheffield clubs we're talking about. (No offense to Sheffield.) I've gotten over Man City and Chelsea having a bunch of money to spend as it's just the way it is and there's no point in whining forever about it, but I find the dynamic interesting, that even fans of big clubs like Arsenal feel a bit out in the wilderness. Of the 4 major leagues it seems like Italy is the most open and interesting at the top right now but I have digressed enough. I'm not even sure what the hell I'm talking about anymore. I should just stick to linking stuff!
   388. Swedish Chef Posted: April 18, 2013 at 12:45 PM (#4417962)
Also, teams outside the United States don't have local governments giving them nine-figure sums to build a stadium. Even when it's obvious that the team needs a stadium and the municipality itself would benefit from having a big stadium that is less than 60 years old. It's just not a conceivable option.

Happens all the time. Even in England the teams in the lower leagues that get new arenas tend to have the local authorities heavily involved.
   389. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 18, 2013 at 12:47 PM (#4417965)
Speaking of the devil

Here's a case in point. Cardiff, who are already spending themselves into debt, are being urged by The Guardian that they have to spend even more if they want to stick in teh top flight. The wheel...it spins!
   390. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 18, 2013 at 12:47 PM (#4417968)
Even in England the teams in the lower leagues that get new arenas tend to have the local authorities heavily involved.

Which might be unfortunate in the case of Everton and Liverpool...
   391. Swedish Chef Posted: April 18, 2013 at 12:49 PM (#4417970)
Of the 4 major leagues it seems like Italy is the most open and interesting at the top right now

But you know they're gonna break your heart with a major scandal any minute now.
   392. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 18, 2013 at 12:52 PM (#4417975)
But you know they're gonna break your heart with a major scandal any minute now.

Aye, that's the rub. Torino being the one pure and true exception, of course.
   393. Juilin Sandar to Conkling Speedwell (Arjun) Posted: April 18, 2013 at 02:58 PM (#4418202)
   394. Mefisto Posted: April 18, 2013 at 04:45 PM (#4418343)
That's good news.
   395. I am going to be Frank Posted: April 18, 2013 at 06:30 PM (#4418486)
Shouldn't Arsenal be pretty close to Chelsea and Liverpool regarding commercial revenue? I know they had lower, long-term deals because the powers that be wanted regular cash flow but as they come up for renewal, I would think their world-wide stature is on par with those two and would be able to generate money close to them. City's financials really are hilarious.
   396. puck Posted: April 18, 2013 at 10:41 PM (#4418737)
Holy ####...we're getting Match of the Day!

Is this a highlights show or a replay of a match? I've never actually gone to try to find it.
   397. Richard Posted: April 18, 2013 at 11:13 PM (#4418785)
If it's the actual Match of the Day shown in the UK, it's highlights (15-20 mins worth for each match) of a few of the day's EPL games, the goals and other key incidents from the other games, mixed in with some of the worst punditry you will ever see and hear.
   398. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 19, 2013 at 07:59 AM (#4419036)
PFA Player of the Year award shortlist

Gareth Bale, Michael Carrick, Eden Hazard, Juan Mata, Luis Suárez and Robin van Persie

PFA Young Player of the Year award shortlist

Gareth Bale, Christian Benteke, Eden Hazard, Romelu Lukaku, Danny Welbeck, Jack Wilshere

Eden Hazard for Player of the Year is the headscratcher for me.
   399. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: April 19, 2013 at 08:15 AM (#4419044)
Hazard over Michu? Weird.
   400. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: April 19, 2013 at 08:28 AM (#4419053)
Damn, I forget sometimes just how young Bale still is.
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