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Wednesday, April 03, 2013

OT: The Soccer Thread, April 2013

THE key April game:

April 6th Hamburglar v SC FREIBURG: Grudge match of the year featuring two clubs oblivious to the grudginess of the match. Be there!

Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 03, 2013 at 12:49 PM | 916 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   401. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 19, 2013 at 08:32 AM (#4419056)
Hazard over Michu? Weird.

Not to mention Leighton Baines.
   402. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 19, 2013 at 09:03 AM (#4419076)
By the way, I would probably vote Suarez for PFA and Bale for young player (duh!). Since everyone seems to hate defenders I'm going to award either Leighton Baines or Jan Vertonghen my Shooty Defensive Player of the year Award.
   403. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: April 19, 2013 at 09:19 AM (#4419100)
I might nominate Pablo Zabaleta. He's been integral to the best defense in the league.
   404. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 19, 2013 at 09:24 AM (#4419104)
I might go Pablo Zabaleta. He's been integral to the best defense in the league.

I thought about him, too. He may be the most underrated player in the league. The funny thing about Hazard is I'd rate him probably the 5th best Belgian in the PL, maybe the 6th depending on what you think of Dembele. Benteke, Vertonghen, Kompany and Fellaini were all better, I thought. I wouldn't be surprised if Hazard is very soon the best of that group, but just based on this year, I'd go with the other 4.

edit: And, crap, Lukaku was pretty great, too. Why aren't the Belgians knocking the crap out of all who stand before them? They are ridiculously loaded. I don't think an American could even crack their first 11 right now.
   405. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: April 19, 2013 at 09:39 AM (#4419126)

Not to mention Leighton Baines.


It seems to me that fullbacks get less appreciation than any other position. Baines belongs on that list but my impression is that fullbacks are kind of the middle relievers of soccer, rarely getting the glory.

Why aren't the Belgians knocking the crap out of all who stand before them?


They're doing a good job of that in qualifying. They are 5-0-1 with the only draw against a good Croatian team and they're +10 in the six games. The failure to qualify for Euro 2012 was basically down to a 3-2 loss in Turkey in September, 2010. The only other losses in the group were the two to Germany who went 10-0.
   406. jmurph Posted: April 19, 2013 at 10:03 AM (#4419156)
I might go Pablo Zabaleta. He's been integral to the best defense in the league.

I thought about him, too. He may be the most underrated player in the league.


He's so versatile and has become probably my favorite player. One of Hughes's only good (value) signings!
   407. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 19, 2013 at 10:22 AM (#4419187)
Here's a fun stat: Mario Balotelli has as many PL goals this year as PFA Young Player of the Year finalist Danny Welbeck. Heh.
   408. Swedish Chef Posted: April 19, 2013 at 10:22 AM (#4419189)
I don't think an American could even crack their first 11 right now.

You always have good keepers. I'd take Howard over Mignolet.

EDIT: Hazard has to look out for Mirallas too.
   409. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 19, 2013 at 10:27 AM (#4419196)
You always have good keepers. I'd take Howard over Mignolet.

But Courtois?
   410. Swedish Chef Posted: April 19, 2013 at 10:34 AM (#4419206)
But Courtois?

Right, they have a new one this campaign. Well,he's young and inexperienced, no match for a grizzly veteran like Howard.
   411. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 19, 2013 at 11:14 AM (#4419266)
Jacob Steinberg of the Guardian's take on the PFA shortlist

I agree with just about all of it which has me second guessing myself.
   412. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: April 19, 2013 at 01:14 PM (#4419421)
Eden Hazard for Player of the Year is the headscratcher for me.

He gets bonus points for being called Eden Hazard.
They are 5-0-1 with the only draw against a good Croatian team

FYI, the usual convention is to go W-D-L, not W-L-D.
   413. What Zupcic? Posted: April 19, 2013 at 01:40 PM (#4419465)
Do any of you folks know of a website that suggests games for purposes of watching without spoiling any of the events/score? I've got one of those Fox2Go subscriptions for watching EPL but, when choosing what to watch with my limited time, it'd be nice if I could go somewhere that helps me pick between two seemingly similar games when I can only watch one.
   414. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: April 19, 2013 at 01:57 PM (#4419484)
FYI, the usual convention is to go W-D-L, not W-L-D.


Yeah, I can't do it that way. It's not some kind of stubborness, it's just that I get automatically read/write it that way no matter what. I have to really make a conscious effort not to.

I find the home/away team thing to be the same thing. Here in the States the convention is Away Team - Home Team of course but soccer does it the other way. Because of this I'm never sure what I'm seeing when I see an American channel with an upcoming matchup or score. For example, if ESPN shows "Man Utd. 2 - Tottenham 7" I'm not confident if they're doing the "soccer style" or the "American style" so I don't know where the game is being played.

What is the genesis of it? I've always assumed that the American approach is "Boston AT New York" while the other method is "New York HOSTING Boston." I think the "hosting" method is actually a little better. It reminds me of something at my company. We have an intranet where people have little blurbs about themselves. The Europeans always write that they are "married with..." rather than "married to..." I think it's a nice differentiation because "with" is more suggestive of a partnership than "to" which is a bit more paternal.
   415. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: April 19, 2013 at 02:37 PM (#4419534)
For example, if ESPN shows "Man Utd. 2 - Tottenham 7" I'm not confident if they're doing the "soccer style" or the "American style" so I don't know where the game is being played.

I am however confident, that when they show that graphic, it is April 1st.
   416. ursus arctos Posted: April 19, 2013 at 05:55 PM (#4419763)
I always understood the US score convention as having had its origins in home baseball teams batting in the bottom of the ninth.
   417. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: April 19, 2013 at 06:08 PM (#4419778)
I was going to say what Ursus Arctos said. You list the home baseball team below the away team, box score style, or you list them last, because they bat last.
   418. Darkness and the howling fantods Posted: April 19, 2013 at 06:15 PM (#4419782)
Do any of you folks know of a website that suggests games for purposes of watching without spoiling any of the events/score? I've got one of those Fox2Go subscriptions for watching EPL but, when choosing what to watch with my limited time, it'd be nice if I could go somewhere that helps me pick between two seemingly similar games when I can only watch one.

Fbtz.com has a thread for this, but I think you have to be registered to see it and registrations look like they're currently closed.
   419. puck Posted: April 19, 2013 at 11:47 PM (#4420159)
Do any of you folks know of a website that suggests games for purposes of watching without spoiling any of the events/score? I've got one of those Fox2Go subscriptions for watching EPL but, when choosing what to watch with my limited time, it'd be nice if I could go somewhere that helps me pick between two seemingly similar games when I can only watch one.


I actually learned of this one from someone who spammed a bulletin board:
http://matchbuz.azurewebsites.net/?when=Recently&league=-2

I don't know how many people rate the matches. It's also semi-spoilery, because if there's a game you wanted to watch that has a low rating, you can guess it ended 0-0. Likewise, a game with a really high score was probably 3-2 or 4-3.
   420. Juilin Sandar to Conkling Speedwell (Arjun) Posted: April 20, 2013 at 10:35 AM (#4420261)
Home opener for Portland later today. Big test for the NWSL's marquee market; apparently the Thorns have sold 7,000 season tickets and are expected 14,000 for the opener (which is also a game against Seattle, so that's probably it as well, since the Thorns are associated with the Timbers/play in their stadium). One hopes that this time, they are actually able to pass the ball to Morgan and Sinclair, since they were pretty poor at that last weekend.
if there's a game you wanted to watch that has a low rating, you can guess it ended 0-0. Likewise, a game with a really high score was probably 3-2 or 4-3.

*grumblegrumblegrumble* *mutters something about low-scoring games being more fun*

also this is the 420th comment in the thread and it's on April 20th.
   421. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 20, 2013 at 10:45 AM (#4420263)
Crouchaldinho with a dagger into his old manager's heart. Chris Samba...worst signing of the season or worst signing of all time?
   422. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 20, 2013 at 10:45 AM (#4420264)
also this is the 420th comment in the thread and it's on April 20th.

What devilry is this? Fie!
   423. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 20, 2013 at 10:57 AM (#4420269)
   424. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 20, 2013 at 11:00 AM (#4420270)
And two Tottenham legends together?

Prepare to spunk all over yourselves. It is orgasmic. If Moddle ever joins them for a dub step career the world will most assuredly end. Better keep the little guy in Spain.
   425. frannyzoo Posted: April 20, 2013 at 11:11 AM (#4420275)
My fanboydom for Glenn Hoddle is almost endless. It's never extended to that song, however. Or his managing career. Meanwhile, the European places have been just sitting there for teams like Hannover for weeks. Unfortunately, the 96 ain't getting it done. Today will make it 5 points out of the last 21 possible.

And once again Norwich scores while I'm typing a post here! Not just once, but twice! Obviously, if I post enough here the Canaries will not only go to the CL, but win it by 2014-2015.
   426. The Kentucky Gentleman, Mark Edward Posted: April 20, 2013 at 11:19 AM (#4420279)
Robert Lewandowski has now scored in 12 straight league games. He is... pretty good.
   427. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 20, 2013 at 11:23 AM (#4420283)
Schalke have lost so Freiburg can go 4th tomorrow with a result against Stuttgart.
   428. frannyzoo Posted: April 20, 2013 at 11:25 AM (#4420285)
Wigan really need a goal here, unless Aston Villa reverts to its worst form. The others uptable are having a good day. Enjoy that FA Cup Final, Latics.
   429. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 20, 2013 at 11:36 AM (#4420288)
Stick a fork in Rangers if you hadn't already.
   430. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 20, 2013 at 11:40 AM (#4420289)
There are 5 teams within 2 points for that last CL spot in the Bundesliga. That is going to be a crazy finish. Freiburg has the GD advantage on everyone but they've got an away trip to Bayern looming.
   431. frannyzoo Posted: April 20, 2013 at 11:44 AM (#4420291)
Udinese B, aka Granada, with 25 shots to Valladolid's 2 so far. Zaragoza is really hoping V hangs on for a tie here.
   432. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 20, 2013 at 11:45 AM (#4420292)
Udinese B, aka Granada, with 25 shots to Valladolid's 2 so far. Zaragoza is really hoping V hangs on for a tie here.

Does that make Watford Udinese C?
   433. Mefisto Posted: April 20, 2013 at 11:49 AM (#4420296)
Will I get any sympathy for the fact that I will see no games at all this weekend because of visiting friends? No, but details here will be appreciated.
   434. frannyzoo Posted: April 20, 2013 at 11:50 AM (#4420297)
Exactly. Btw, Guidolin has done perhaps his best coaching job ever at the "A" club. That team has no business being in contention for a Euro slot, and hopping the evil axis of Inter, Roma & Lazio is still an outside chance.
   435. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: April 20, 2013 at 11:55 AM (#4420299)
Sigh, another soft win for Arsenal. Fulham were pretty much the better team despite being a man down.
   436. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 20, 2013 at 11:56 AM (#4420300)
That is a rough result for Everton. Reading and QPR nailed for the drop now and Wigan on life support but I refuse to count them out. Meanwhile, Hull haven't quite locked down promotion yet but they're 4 points up on Udinese C with 2 to play.
   437. Swedish Chef Posted: April 20, 2013 at 11:59 AM (#4420302)
Guidolin has done perhaps his best coaching job ever at the "A" club.

Bet Zamparini regrets firing him (thrice) now.
   438. Spivey Posted: April 20, 2013 at 12:04 PM (#4420305)
Fulham is a tough place to win at. 3 points is 3 points. Sidwell was an idiot.
   439. Swedish Chef Posted: April 20, 2013 at 12:07 PM (#4420306)
That is a rough result for Everton.

I'm just waiting for other teams to get on the fascist thug manager bandwagon, Lee Bowyer is probably mailing out his CV already.
   440. frannyzoo Posted: April 20, 2013 at 12:54 PM (#4420328)
In dire times as these, it would be a very good idea for all Americans to watch soccer on Al Jazeera. Just saw a commercial in which an "Arab" woman reacts to her screaming male partner (screaming at a FPS shooter game he's playing) by grabbing a (non-alcoholic) beer. This is followed by two "Arab" gentlemen having a giant argument inside a Ford Focus while the car parallel parks without any assistance from the screaming driver. Lots of screaming by "Arab" men and the result is a woman having a beer (admittedly non-alcoholic) and a perfectly parked car.

Commercials yes, but methinks it would still help these days. Now if we could just get Americans to watch soccer. Or Al Jazeera.

English announcers, btw. Genoa/Atalanta currently stretching the concept of "beautiful game" to its ugliest extreme.
   441. frannyzoo Posted: April 20, 2013 at 01:39 PM (#4420357)
The sublime scene in Boston is so very much in contrast to the goings-on in Genoa. Atalanta player is fouled by Manfredini. Atalanta plays falls due to foul and ball becomes lodged between his knees. Manfredini violently hammers ball into Atalanta player's groin. That's only good for a yellow today in Genoa....about the tenth one handed out so far.
   442. Juilin Sandar to Conkling Speedwell (Arjun) Posted: April 20, 2013 at 05:41 PM (#4420615)
The Thorns-Reign livestream doesn't seem to be, well, alive, so that's an annoyance, while the Spirit livestream apparently costs money. I think the Thorns game might be tomorrow, though, so that might be that.
   443. Juilin Sandar to Conkling Speedwell (Arjun) Posted: April 20, 2013 at 07:10 PM (#4420712)
Have now been able to get Spirit-Flash, so we're a go! and it's only the ninth minute :)
   444. Juilin Sandar to Conkling Speedwell (Arjun) Posted: April 20, 2013 at 07:22 PM (#4420719)
Not exactly expecting that one. Wambach misses a wide open shot at goal on Kerr's cross, hits the bar. Zerboni looking increasingly dominant in the midfield area, but WNY playing a lot of route 1 anyway.
   445. Juilin Sandar to Conkling Speedwell (Arjun) Posted: April 20, 2013 at 07:32 PM (#4420728)
Brilliant save from Harris to deny Wambach's header off a cross from (I think) Kerr again (EDIT: actually, Sahlen maybe?). Matheson and Stephanie Ochs (especially Ochs) the lone bright spots for Washington so far.

I'm not sure who the PBP guy is, but I am really liking him. (EDIT: Michael Minnich? I'm not sure who he is)
   446. Juilin Sandar to Conkling Speedwell (Arjun) Posted: April 20, 2013 at 08:12 PM (#4420761)
Wambach has been pushing out to the left (ostensibly because Kerr has been so good on the right and she wants to get on the end of crosses), but Ali Krieger has been doing a pretty excellent job against her, even in the air. It's a really impressive performance.
   447. Juilin Sandar to Conkling Speedwell (Arjun) Posted: April 20, 2013 at 08:44 PM (#4420780)
There's the goal, 85th minute! Set piece, Wambach touches it a bit, and then Samantha Kerr (who was completely unmarked for some reason) puts it in. WNY go up 1-0, deserved, they've been the much better team.
   448. Juilin Sandar to Conkling Speedwell (Arjun) Posted: April 20, 2013 at 08:46 PM (#4420787)
...and as I type that, Matheson passes it, releasing Jasmine Spencer, who is dragged down in the box! Penalty!

and Matheson, who's played pretty well today, just buries it into the corner. 1-1 almost immediately.

EDIT: and that's game, 1-1. Interesting finish.
   449. Mefisto Posted: April 20, 2013 at 10:20 PM (#4420868)
Great reports, Arjun. Thanks.
   450. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 21, 2013 at 08:08 AM (#4420966)
Champs!

It occurs to me, this is probably one of the very few times--possibly the only time--one of my clubs will win a championship. Even Torino didn't win Serie B last year.
   451. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: April 21, 2013 at 08:55 AM (#4420974)
The Tottenham - City game has been good so far but it's really being enhanced by the fact that you can clearly here the Russian(?) announcing crew in the background of the broadcast. I don't know what Russian for Gus Johnson is but that guy is it.
   452. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: April 21, 2013 at 10:07 AM (#4420995)
SPURS THINK FACTORY...WOW!!!
   453. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 21, 2013 at 10:22 AM (#4421002)
Wow. I gotta go for a jog and burn off this nervous energy. I will be back to bore you with my thoughts later!

Let's go Liverpool! Come on Suarez, Bale is doing his best to steal my PFA vote from you.
   454. Textbook Editor Posted: April 21, 2013 at 10:33 AM (#4421007)
Well well.
   455. jmurph Posted: April 21, 2013 at 10:42 AM (#4421016)
So let me get this straight: sitting on a 1-0 lead on the road for an entire half when you're the better side is not a good idea? I think I officially just became okay with Mancini getting fired in a month.
   456. jmurph Posted: April 21, 2013 at 10:55 AM (#4421025)
This will get lost amidst the coming Spurs Think Factory gloating, but my god City are frustrating when they forget they're an expensively assembled juggernaut and instead play like they're a mid-table side clinging to a 1-0 lead they don't deserve. In (at least much of) the first half they were aggressive, putting 3 guys around the ball every time Spurs had the ball, absolutely controlling the midfield. Then they flip the switch and become a tentative mess.
   457. Swedish Chef Posted: April 21, 2013 at 11:23 AM (#4421040)
This means United can secure the title tomorrow. Mind, they would have to beat Villa at Old Trafford, so it's a rather farfetched scenario.
   458. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 21, 2013 at 11:28 AM (#4421043)
Well that was a puzzler. I was pretty despondent at the half. Man City were breaking Spurs down regularly and Spurs had no answers for unlocking City's defense. Bale was invisible the first half. I thought Man City would see out a 1-0 win for sure. If they had just stayed back and stuck to two banks of four and then tried to pick off opportunities on the counter, the game was there. AVB made 2 great subs bringing on Thudd and Holtby. Holtby brought an energy the team was lacking--he seems so happy to be on the pitch I think he brings the team's spirit up a little when their legs are getting heavy and things look grim. Thudd--who has had a tough year--really settled the midfield and his passing came with much more intent than Parker's as Parker is usually content to just circulate possession. Those two subs created a bit of space and purpose for Spurs but, again, I'm not sure why City just didn't sit back and absorb pressure. That had been working like a charm for them. A bad result for City but they weren't going to catch United and they seem locked on for 2nd, so it probably makes no difference.

Other than Spurs awesomeness, it's been a bleak day. Torino fought back from 2 goals down to equalize with Fiorentina and then lost. Stuttgart spanked Freiburg keeping Freiburg 5th with Bayern coming up.

Goddammit Liverpool. Come on now!
   459. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 21, 2013 at 11:33 AM (#4421046)
So, what do you think? Will Man City and Chelsea be fighting over Pellegrini this summer?
   460. I am going to be Frank Posted: April 21, 2013 at 11:37 AM (#4421047)
A great win for Spurs. I'm sure its been discussed already but the Dembele/Parker partnership doesn't seem to work.

I thought the guy in the background was yelling Arabic - but my language recognition skills have been terrible for quite some time (I used to be good at it but spending time working for an Asian company I started tuning out foreign languages of all types).
   461. Swedish Chef Posted: April 21, 2013 at 11:40 AM (#4421048)
I think I officially just became okay with Mancini getting fired in a month.

To avoid wishcasting about the next guy that would be brought in, I like to reformulate the question as "Would I be OK with them firing this guy and bringing in Rafael Benitez?"*.

*) It turns out that using Svennis in the question doesn't work very well.
   462. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 21, 2013 at 11:44 AM (#4421052)
A great win for Spurs. I'm sure its been discussed already but the Dembele/Parker partnership doesn't seem to work.

I was really pining for Sandro the first half. I'd much prefer if Parker were a squad player than a locked in first 11 guy.
   463. jmurph Posted: April 21, 2013 at 11:59 AM (#4421059)
To avoid wishcasting about the next guy that would be brought in, I like to reformulate the question as "Would I be OK with them firing this guy and bringing in Rafael Benitez?"*.


Shudder. Well I honestly like Mancini, I'm just saying I get it. He's frustrating at times.

And yes, Shooty, I wouldn't be surprised to see that happen. Once Mourinho makes his decision, of course.
   464. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 21, 2013 at 12:08 PM (#4421062)
That was an incredible team goal from Liverpool. Wow. They really are frightening at times.
   465. jmurph Posted: April 21, 2013 at 12:09 PM (#4421063)
That's a really nice goal. The Suarez-Sturridge partnership could be pretty dangerous over a full season, assuming Liverpool can find a way to exchange some of that dead midfield weight for better talent.
   466. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 21, 2013 at 12:12 PM (#4421065)
For ####'s sake Suarez. That's it, Bale is player of the year now, you dope.
   467. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 21, 2013 at 12:12 PM (#4421067)
Chelsea have had 16 penalties this year. Tottenham have had ZERO.
   468. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 21, 2013 at 12:26 PM (#4421075)
Suarez bit Ivanovic! Holy fucking shit! Holy crap, I think he's done in England. Someone tell me I didn't see what I think I just saw on the replay.
   469. JuanGone..except1game Posted: April 21, 2013 at 12:27 PM (#4421077)
I didn't want to say something until they showed the replay. But he ####### bit him. What the #### is wrong with that man.
   470. JuanGone..except1game Posted: April 21, 2013 at 12:28 PM (#4421078)
Forget calling him a man. Suarez is like an evil cartoon character of a man.
   471. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 21, 2013 at 12:30 PM (#4421080)
So, a stupid handball and cannibalism. All we need now is some casual racist remark and Suarez will have his hat trick.
   472. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: April 21, 2013 at 12:31 PM (#4421081)
So, he's banned for the rest of the season, right? The refs missed it, and he obviously bit Ivanovic's upper arm.

Oh, there it is. The definitive angle. He's done.
   473. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: April 21, 2013 at 12:31 PM (#4421082)
Suarez has kind of had a stinker even not including the conceded penalty and the bite.
   474. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 21, 2013 at 12:31 PM (#4421083)
This is really unfortunate. He's such a great player but I don't see how he can continue to play for Liverpool.
   475. JuanGone..except1game Posted: April 21, 2013 at 12:33 PM (#4421084)
So, he's banned for the rest of the season, right? The refs missed it, and he obviously bit Ivanovic's upper arm.

Oh, there it is. The definitive angle. He's done.


I don't see how he continues this year.

   476. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: April 21, 2013 at 12:34 PM (#4421085)
He's such a great player but I don't see how he can continue to play for Liverpool.
What, are Liverpool going to sell their only truly world-class player for cents on the dollar? I don't see how they have a choice but to keep him. He's a malignant idiot, but he's their malignant idiot.
   477. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 21, 2013 at 12:34 PM (#4421086)
I don't see how he continues this year.

Clearly. It's a matter of how much time he misses next year, too.
   478. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 21, 2013 at 12:36 PM (#4421087)
What, are Liverpool going to sell their only truly world-class player for cents on the dollar? I don't see how they have a choice but to keep him. He's a malignant idiot, but he's their malignant idiot.

I think Liverpool is too proud a club for this. They'll get a good price from someone.
   479. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 21, 2013 at 12:38 PM (#4421088)
I'm kind of tired of players putting up one finger as if they can do whatever they want until they get a warning from the ref.
   480. Textbook Editor Posted: April 21, 2013 at 12:39 PM (#4421089)
Truly nutso stuff from Suarez. I'm guessing 10 game ban?
   481. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: April 21, 2013 at 12:40 PM (#4421090)
I think Liverpool is too proud a club for this. They'll get a good price from someone.
Maybe. I tend to be skeptical of those sorts of suggestions of honor in sport. It's not like Suarez has been a reported problem in the clubhouse or an issue for his manager, like Balotelli for instance - it's all about the stupid things he does to the opposition, in games. It would be a decision motivated by honor rather than winning.

What's a fair price? Are they really pulling £30m if they announce they're sellers?
   482. JuanGone..except1game Posted: April 21, 2013 at 12:40 PM (#4421091)
I didn't think that I could hate Liverpool more, but they are giving it a good go today.
   483. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: April 21, 2013 at 12:41 PM (#4421092)
   484. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 21, 2013 at 12:46 PM (#4421093)
Maybe. I tend to be skeptical of those sorts of suggestions of honor in sport.

I am, too, generally, but I think he's crossed a line today. There's no room to give him any benefit of the doubt, either. It reflects too poorly on the club and on the supporters. You may be right and I'm overreacting, though, so it will be interesting to see what the reaction is from Rodgers and the supporters. Anyway, I don't think they'd get 30, but they can get 20-25 for him, or basically what they paid for him from Ajax. and use that money to try to get Benteke or someone like that as a replacement.

The tabloids tomorrow are going to be nuts.
   485. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 21, 2013 at 12:47 PM (#4421094)
The proof.

A sad, but also hilarious day, for football, eh?
   486. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: April 21, 2013 at 12:49 PM (#4421095)
Anyway, I don't think they'd get 30, but they can get 20-25 for him, or basically what they paid for him from Ajax. and use that money to try to get Benteke or someone like that as a replacement.
I guess, but Benteke is nowhere near the player Suarez is.
   487. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: April 21, 2013 at 12:50 PM (#4421096)
You may be right and I'm overreacting, though, so it will be interesting to see what the reaction is from Rodgers and the supporters.
I don't think you're overreacting, I just don't think Liverpool are in a position to react as they should.
   488. Swedish Chef Posted: April 21, 2013 at 12:51 PM (#4421098)
Suarez has already said that he wants to go to a club that plays in the Champions League.
   489. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 21, 2013 at 12:52 PM (#4421099)
I guess, but Benteke is nowhere near the player Suarez is.

Well, there are only 3 or 4 strikers in the world as good as Suarez. What can you do? I'm sure they'd rather not have their best player keep putting them between a rock and the hard place.

More importantly, this doesn't help Spurs at all today. Boo Luis!
   490. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 21, 2013 at 12:53 PM (#4421101)
Football, bloody hell.
   491. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 21, 2013 at 12:54 PM (#4421102)
I don't say this often, but I CAN'T WAIT for the Guardian podcast tomorrow.
   492. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: April 21, 2013 at 12:55 PM (#4421103)
It had to happen, didn't it?
   493. JuanGone..except1game Posted: April 21, 2013 at 12:55 PM (#4421104)
That was an injustice. 6:30 minutes in after Suarez should have been sent off.
   494. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: April 21, 2013 at 12:57 PM (#4421106)
Well, there are only 3 or 4 strikers in the world as good as Suarez. What can you do? I'm sure they'd rather not have their best player keep putting them between a rock and the hard place.
Well, my argument is that you can keep him and pay him money in exchange for his labor on the football pitch.

It does depend on a lot of things we don't know - if Rodgers had Suarez on a final warning or something, then Liverpool has to suck it up and back up the manager. But if not, I mean, he's 80% of their team. Selling him for 1/2 to 2/3 of his true value is a bitter dish to take a bite from.
   495. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 21, 2013 at 12:57 PM (#4421107)
That was an injustice. 6:30 minutes in after Suarez should have been sent off.

Juan, you may never see me say this again, but yeah, that was an unfair result for Chelsea.
   496. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 21, 2013 at 01:03 PM (#4421113)
Warren Barton agrees with me, so now I'm unsure of my opinion.
   497. JuanGone..except1game Posted: April 21, 2013 at 01:05 PM (#4421114)
Warren Barton agrees with me, so now I'm unsure of my opinion.


Now I'm questioning mine as well. Barton and Suarez would make a nice WWF heel team.
   498. Swedish Chef Posted: April 21, 2013 at 01:07 PM (#4421115)
Selling him for 1/2 to 2/3 of his true value is a bitter dish to take a bite from.

His true value includes the cost of his antics.

As he is unlikely to renew his contract with Liverpool, he ideally should be moved next offseason to get the greatest value anyway.
   499. frannyzoo Posted: April 21, 2013 at 01:07 PM (#4421117)
Did Warren say something about needing to take a long shower after watching the game? Because that whole experience was just dirty...unseemly. Still, if Warren Barton says likewise, there must be something wrong with my loathing.
   500. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 21, 2013 at 01:10 PM (#4421120)
Did Warren say something about needing to take a long shower after watching the game? Because that whole experience was just dirty...unseemly. Still, if Warren Barton says likewise, there must be something wrong with my loathing.

That whole second half was gross. Diving, bad tackles, haranguing the ref...blech.
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