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Tuesday, July 31, 2012

OT: The Soccer Thread: August 2012

Welcome to August! Notable Events:

Olympic Women’s Gold Medal Game: August 9
Olympic Men’s Gold Medal Game: August 11

(Both will be aired by NBC on or about August 15)

EPL Kick-Off: August 18
La Liga Kick-Off: August 19
Seria A Kick-Off: August 25

Let the excitement begin!

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   1101. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: August 22, 2012 at 09:45 AM (#4214560)
Jonathan Wilson on PSG

He doesn't use the word schadenfreude but he may as well have titled the article Schadenfreude. No one likes PSG, do they?
   1102. Mattbert Posted: August 22, 2012 at 09:47 AM (#4214562)
The Willian thing...I just can't believe Spurs will pay 20 million for him despite all the heat coming from fairly reputable sources. He's awfully good, though.

He's good, but he's not €20M good. Also, his Wiki page says his contract was up in June and this item from Shakhtar's official site says he was signed for five years in August 2007. He must have signed an extension somewhere along the line, I guess, otherwise all this talk of fees would be moot.
   1103. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: August 22, 2012 at 09:48 AM (#4214564)
Steven Fletcher is going to Sunderland, finally.
   1104. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: August 22, 2012 at 09:50 AM (#4214569)
I can't believe no one is talking about West Ham's increased bid for Matt Jarvis. I mean, that's where the excitement is. That's England International, Matt Jarvis don't forget. Former midfielder on the PFA League One Team of the Year. This is a big story, folks. A big story!
   1105. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: August 22, 2012 at 09:52 AM (#4214570)
I can't believe no one is talking about West Ham's increased bid for Matt Jarvis. I mean, that's where the excitement is. That's England International, Matt Jarvis don't forget Former midfielder on the PFA League One Team of the Year. This is a big story, folks. A big story!

I am too overwhelmed to express a coherent thought about it.
   1106. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: August 22, 2012 at 09:57 AM (#4214575)
Also, I know there's a lot that goes into these things, but if it is true that 51% of Reading was sold for £12.7 million, that means that 100% of Matt Jarvis is worth--apparently--worth as much as 40% of Reading FC. That is...odd.
   1107. Mattbert Posted: August 22, 2012 at 10:01 AM (#4214580)
Matt Jarvis is a really good player. I don't know if he's worth half of a Premier League / Championship yo-yo club, but he's a hard-working winger with terrific crossing ability. Perfect fit for a Big Sam team.
   1108. jmurph Posted: August 22, 2012 at 10:19 AM (#4214593)
No one likes PSG, do they?


I hesitate to say I like a team that I don't get to watch regularly, but like most upper middle class white americans, I love Paris. So I'm sort of inclined to cheer for them. And then as a fan of the sport, I think it will be interesting to have a solid french representative in the Champions League again, with Lyon and Marseilles not being as strong as they once were.
   1109. Spivey Posted: August 22, 2012 at 10:30 AM (#4214604)
I can't articulate this very well, but I don't think that Jarvis/Reading stat is an accurate way to look at things. Joey Votto isn't worth half of the Reds. He's an asset that allows them to make money and increase the value of the franchise.

From everything I understand, the difference from being in the Premiership and being in the Championship is well over 10million pounds per year. If Jarvis can contribute to that, he's a valuable asset.
   1110. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: August 22, 2012 at 10:35 AM (#4214607)
I hesitate to say I like a team that I don't get to watch regularly, but like most upper middle class white americans, I love Paris. So I'm sort of inclined to cheer for them. And then as a fan of the sport, I think it will be interesting to have a solid french representative in the Champions League again, with Lyon and Marseilles not being as strong as they once were.

I love Paris, but PSG seems like an awful club. Even Michael Cox descended from his tactical ivory tower to write a hatchet job on them last season. I think with PSG it may be a case of the less you know the more you can like them.
   1111. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: August 22, 2012 at 10:36 AM (#4214609)
Matt Jarvis is a really good player...he's a hard-working winger with terrific crossing ability. Perfect fit for a Big Sam team.
Interesting. That's one of the things I'm still not 100% about on following football, is that certain players fit certain teams/managers better than others. In baseball, a great player is a great player. Obviously you need to look for position (the Yankees won't be signing any infielders) but basically Albert Pujols helps the Angels as much as he helped St. Louis. Whereas in football, a handful of guys are like that, but for many players there value is tied up in being in the right system. I forgot that a lot.

I can't articulate this very well, but I don't think that Jarvis/Reading stat is an accurate way to look at things. Joey Votto isn't worth half of the Reds. He's an asset that allows them to make money and increase the value of the franchise.
I feel obliged to point out that I know Jarvis isn't really worth that percentage of Reading anymore than Votto is of the Reds, I was just being facetious. It just struck me with the image of SAF sitting at Old Trafford going "Well, I could buy Van Persie for £24 million, or I could buy Reading. Hmm..."
   1112. Mattbert Posted: August 22, 2012 at 10:37 AM (#4214610)
I had overlooked this Brian Phillips column on Liverpool from last week. It's pretty good, and contains a fantastic picture of LeBron James doing an impression of the Duke brothers from Trading Places.
It was a bad year — bad because the club lost, bad because the club embarrassed itself over the Suarez situation. But it was also bad in a less obvious way. Liverpool, historically the most important club in England, one of the eight or 10 essential football clubs in Europe, melted down in a humiliating fashion, and, outside Liverpool itself, it didn't seem to matter that much. I mean, compared to, say, campaign finance reform, sure, the Merseyside freakout attracted its share of op-eds. Compared to the title race between the two Manchesters, though, or to the ongoing perma-crisis at Arsenal, Liverpool was a blip. If anything, the Suarez-Evra controversy seemed to overshadow the club itself, as if it could have happened anywhere and been taken the same way. Liverpool collapsed, and the Premier League and its fans were over on the other side of the mountains, not caring.

That's not how this is supposed to work, to put it mildly. First of all, Liverpool isn't supposed to collapse. They're supposed to stand on the mile-high, hawk-haunted precipice just beside collapse, roaring "You'll Never Walk Alone" and weeping their defiance. Second, when things happen at Liverpool, those things are supposed to command attention. "When France sneezes, Europe catches a cold," Metternich said in the 19th century. Liverpool is supposed to be France in the soccer version of this analogy. They are supposed to bestride the soccer world like a colossus (or at least Peter Crouch), not get bumped to page four because Man City found another billion dollars in a mattress.
   1113. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: August 22, 2012 at 10:49 AM (#4214629)
   1114. Mattbert Posted: August 22, 2012 at 10:51 AM (#4214632)
That is awesome.
   1115. Swedish Chef Posted: August 22, 2012 at 11:22 AM (#4214667)
This should make the Chef happy.

Alright, and from such a respected source as the BBC too.

Why doesn't anybody want Kaka? Maybe some MLS club should go get him.
   1116. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: August 22, 2012 at 11:25 AM (#4214671)
Why doesn't anybody want Kaka?

I think he's on Warren Buffet's wages. Supposedly Red Bulls talked to him but he wants to stay in Europe.
   1117. Swedish Chef Posted: August 22, 2012 at 11:29 AM (#4214674)
Modric supposedly on the move

I think I have read exactly the same news item for the last two weeks, though.
   1118. Arnett Mead (Arjun) Posted: August 22, 2012 at 11:31 AM (#4214675)
Champions League play! They'll all lose to Potsdam, Frankfurt, and Lyon, really (interesting little piece, with some tidbits on things like Kazakhstani football).
   1119. Mattbert Posted: August 22, 2012 at 11:46 AM (#4214689)
I think I have read exactly the same news item for the last two weeks, though.

That's because Zagreb is entitled to a portion of the fee, so Mamic just. will. not. shut. his. yap. about Modric and Real.
   1120. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: August 22, 2012 at 11:47 AM (#4214691)
Modric supposedly on the move
The best part of this article is the "related links" section over to the right of the page. The main article is "Modric 'close' to Real switch", and you can scroll over to read a related article from August 15th entitled, "Modric set for Real switch."
   1121. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: August 22, 2012 at 12:43 PM (#4214751)
Tim Vickery on Spurs and Damiao plus why no one wants Kaka

Nothing we don't already know, really, though the excitement in Vickery's voice when he talks about Leandro makes me desperate for Spurs to sign him.
   1122. ursus arctos Posted: August 22, 2012 at 12:47 PM (#4214757)
I thought 1113 was going to be the photo of Prince Harry and the young lady.

PSG has always been an odious, ersatz club, with some really nasty supporters. If you have to support a Parisian club, Red Star, Paris FC and Racing are all better choices. I was a regular at Red Star when I lived in Paris, and only went to the Parc to root against PSG.
   1123. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: August 22, 2012 at 12:53 PM (#4214765)
Stuttgart and Dinamo Moscow are playing now and the Stuttgart ultras have huge banners saying "You Don't Care About Football You Only Care About Money" and "UEFA=Mafia". Both signs in English, natch. What's that about? Did Stuttgart get screwed over somehow or is just a massive wave of common sense enveloping the region?
   1124. Flynn Posted: August 22, 2012 at 12:57 PM (#4214772)
Any Parisophile shouldn't care about sports at all, or just Racing or Stade (I prefer Racing) in rugby. that's the true Paris way. It's the worst sports town in Europe. At least Hertha's fans are actual Berliners, PSG fans are thugs from the burbs.
   1125. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: August 22, 2012 at 01:16 PM (#4214793)
Illegal streams have taught me Mr. Clean is known as Meister Proper in Germany. Heh. I can't wait to learn about Italian names for common American products when I'm watching Torino on a crappy feed Sunday.

edit: And Head and Shoulders is known as...Head and Shoulders. Just FYI, people.
   1126. Swedish Chef Posted: August 22, 2012 at 01:24 PM (#4214804)
It's the worst sports town in Europe.

Bringing up the rear behind Goole, I presume.
   1127. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: August 22, 2012 at 01:28 PM (#4214807)
Illegal streams have taught me Mr. Clean is known as Meister Proper in Germany. Heh. I can't wait to learn about Italian names for common American products when I'm watching Torino on a crappy feed Sunday
But do you know what they call a Quarter Pound with Cheese?
   1128. DA Baracus is gritty and hits with RISP Posted: August 22, 2012 at 01:31 PM (#4214812)
No one likes PSG, do they?


I liked what they said they were going to do when they started: that it wasn't going to happen overnight, that they were trying to build incrementally. Last year winning the league wasn't a goal, the goal was qualifying for Champions League. I can get behind that. But since the mid-season transfer window, they haven't acted that way, so seeing them fail is kind of fun, like it was for Manchester City when they started going all sugar daddy in '08. But then I have a pre-disposition to root against entitlement teams in any sport.

PSG, and Man City before them, are the perfect example of how a team is better than a collection of talent. Also, NYRB.
   1129. DA Baracus is gritty and hits with RISP Posted: August 22, 2012 at 01:32 PM (#4214815)
But do you know what they call a Quarter Pound with Cheese?


My girlfriend works at a university. Yesterday she said they give incoming freshmen a pop culture quiz to give the faculty an idea of what they're dealing with. This year's freshmen were mostly born in 1994, and most of them have no idea what a Royale with Cheese is.
   1130. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: August 22, 2012 at 01:41 PM (#4214826)
Stuttgart and Dinamo Moscow are playing now

Huh. Why are they playing Wednesday this week and Tuesday next week when every other Europa League game is on Thursday? Is it impossible for one of the teams to move a conflicting fixture or something?
   1131. Crispix Attacks 2: Swag Airlines Posted: August 22, 2012 at 01:59 PM (#4214845)
My girlfriend works at a university. Yesterday she said they give incoming freshmen a pop culture quiz to give the faculty an idea of what they're dealing with. This year's freshmen were mostly born in 1994, and most of them have no idea what a Royale with Cheese is.

She would have gotten that from one of the new entries on the hideously stupid Beloit mindset list. It's gotten so much worse (and longer) in the last decade. Many of the entries are almost impossible to understand because of the obsession with the "has always" construction.
   1132. DA Baracus is gritty and hits with RISP Posted: August 22, 2012 at 02:02 PM (#4214850)
Yeah that was pointed out to me in the lounge. I had never heard of it.

The Secret Footballer Revealed! Sort of.
   1133. ursus arctos Posted: August 22, 2012 at 02:08 PM (#4214862)
Flynn is dead on in 1124 (I also prefer Racing to Stade, and am particularly enervated by Stade's attempts to re-brand themselves as "Paris").

Those are rugby teams, btw.

I think that Stuttgart and Dynamo are playing today for television congestion reasons. Matches involving German clubs often get displaced by a day or two (or are at a weird time) because there so many Germany clubs competing (e.g., Hannover plays tomorrow).
   1134. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: August 22, 2012 at 02:23 PM (#4214887)
Spurs evidently trying to get in on the Malaga fire sale--Tim Sherwood is scouting Isco.
   1135. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: August 22, 2012 at 02:40 PM (#4214917)
Malaga's lineup. I don't follow them closely enough to know if this is their best side. With the Isco rumors maybe I should check this game out...Also, Conte's 10 month ban is upheld.

Caballero Willy G
5Martín Demichelis D
2Duarte Jesus Gamez D
3Robson Weligton D
15Nacho Eraso Monreal D
7Joaquín M
16Enzo Maresca M
8Jeremy Toulalan M
18Pereira Eliseu M
45Fabrice Olinga M
22Alarcon Francisco Roman Isco F
   1136. Mattbert Posted: August 22, 2012 at 02:45 PM (#4214927)
Spurs evidently trying to get in on the Malaga fire sale--Tim Sherwood is scouting Isco.

That's going to be confusing for me if Spurs sign him. In my industry, Isco means In-Situ Chemical Oxidation. I think I have a cap somewhere from one of my old subcontractors, Iscotec or something like that.
   1137. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: August 22, 2012 at 02:46 PM (#4214930)
That's going to be confusing for me if Spurs sign him. In my industry, Isco means In-Situ Chemical Oxidation. I think I have a cap somewhere from one of my old subcontractors, Iscotec or something like that.

If Spurs sign him you have to send me that hat to wear at WHL.
   1138. Crispix Attacks 2: Swag Airlines Posted: August 22, 2012 at 02:48 PM (#4214936)
No, Isco is short for Iscove's medium. It's important for keeping white blood cells alive in the absence of serum.
   1139. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: August 22, 2012 at 02:51 PM (#4214938)
Does anyone else think the CL anthem is ridiculously pretentious and overblown? Also, lots of empty seats in Malaga.

Good news and bad news about the Nats. The good news is that BeIn Sports bought the rights to away WC qualifiers so no more of this closed circuit business. The bad news...BeIn Sports bought the rights to US away WC qualifiers so you won't be able to see them anyway.
   1140. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: August 22, 2012 at 02:56 PM (#4214947)
Doesn't anyone else everyone think the CL anthem is ridiculously pretentious and overblown?
FTFY. And yes.
   1141. ursus arctos Posted: August 22, 2012 at 02:57 PM (#4214948)
BeIn has to get their act together. They have much too much content for a single channel, and even that isn't widely available.

The CL anthem is even worse with the words. It is also really bizarre to attend a performance of Zadok the Priest these days. There are going to be a lot of confused Brits at the next coronation.

Conte still has additional appeals; this will continue to play for a while.
   1142. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: August 22, 2012 at 03:00 PM (#4214955)
BeIn has to get their act together. They have much too much content for a single channel, and even that isn't widely available.

It annoys me that people keep selling them content with no thought as to whether it can even reach an audience. I know the fans come last in these considerations, but jeez.
   1143. DA Baracus is gritty and hits with RISP Posted: August 22, 2012 at 03:01 PM (#4214956)
Malaga's lineup. I don't follow them closely enough to know if this is their best side.


That is a normal lineup. Nice thing about soccer is you can usually judge this stuff by looking at jersey numbers. Teams don't give single digit numbers to backups and 15, 16 and 18 would indicate first choice substitutes. Generally speaking, just looking at that on paper is a pretty good indicator.
   1144. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: August 22, 2012 at 03:04 PM (#4214964)
Malaga have looked pretty great and they pick up the first goal. I hope they enjoy it while it lasts.
   1145. ursus arctos Posted: August 22, 2012 at 03:06 PM (#4214968)
The problem with the Continental European leagues is that the North American rights are marginal to their overall deals. They'll always go to the highest bidder because they don't really think about the potential long term impact of people being unable to see your product.

The same dynamic operates for most of the USMNT away games, and I don't think that it is a coincidence that they haven't gotten home matches.
   1146. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: August 22, 2012 at 03:08 PM (#4214974)
The problem with the Continental European leagues is that the North American rights are marginal to their overall deals. They'll always go to the highest bidder because they don't really think about the potential long term impact of people being unable to see your product.

Which is why English teams will be buying all their players soon.
   1147. Swedish Chef Posted: August 22, 2012 at 03:12 PM (#4214981)
They'll always go to the highest bidder because they don't really think about the potential long term impact of people being unable to see your product.

Some club executives have been publicly unhappy, so maybe that will chance.
   1148. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: August 22, 2012 at 03:13 PM (#4214982)
The bad news...BeIn Sports bought the rights to US away WC qualifiers so you won't be able to see them anyway.

Incorrect, we have DirecTV!
   1149. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: August 22, 2012 at 03:14 PM (#4214988)
Incorrect, we have DirecTV!

Well la di da for you King Louis!
   1150. Swedish Chef Posted: August 22, 2012 at 03:16 PM (#4214992)
The Cassano-Pazzini swap is so Football Manager....
   1151. Swedish Chef Posted: August 22, 2012 at 03:17 PM (#4214993)
Ooops. Double post.
   1152. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: August 22, 2012 at 03:17 PM (#4214994)
Reading is up 2-1 on Chelsea. Anyone watching that one? DiMatteo out!
   1153. DA Baracus is gritty and hits with RISP Posted: August 22, 2012 at 03:17 PM (#4214995)
The same dynamic operates for most of the USMNT away games, and I don't think that it is a coincidence that they haven't gotten home matches.


ESPN already has the rights for the home games.
   1154. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: August 22, 2012 at 03:21 PM (#4215002)
Jesus, this Isco kid can play. I hope Tim Sherwood is on the phone to Levy now. 2-0 Malaga.
   1155. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: August 22, 2012 at 03:38 PM (#4215023)
One of Malaga's starters--Fabrice--is only 16.
   1156. Flynn Posted: August 22, 2012 at 03:44 PM (#4215028)
DA, I think Ursus's point was that even if BeIn was the highest bidder for US home matches, they wouldn't be awarded the rights. US fans aren't used to seeing away matches anyway, so why not take the money and let BeIn figure out how to get on cable networks.

Flynn is dead on in 1124 (I also prefer Racing to Stade, and am particularly enervated by Stade's attempts to re-brand themselves as "Paris").


I am as well. Racing's Show-Bizz was probably the only time a sports team really captured what being Parisian is about, with the resultant huge crowds, though Stade do a much better job than PSG. But I liked Stade when they wore blue and red, rather than hot pink and floral prints. It's gone over the top now.

Paris's ambivalence towards football is symptomatic of France's ambivalence towards football. It's a big deal there, but it's just not an obsession. There's nothing definitive about it. There have been all sorts of books in the last decade about how football explains various European countries. Sometimes the significance of players, teams, and coaches in the wider context of their country's society can be stretched very thin but they usually work. Anybody who has spent 10 minutes in England, Holland, Germany, Italy, and Spain can understand how football provides a special insight into the national character.

You can't do that in France. At all. Individual clubs may work for individual cities (most notably OM for Marseille) but France has been so indifferent to football at very crucial points in its history that you can't write some history of football in France with wider reflections on French society. 1998 is meaningful, Zidane is meaningful, the debacle of 2010 is meaningful. But if you wanted to write about a sport and how it defines France, it would be rugby. The institutions of the state, the culture, and the national character have been strongly linked with rugby since the Third Republic.
   1157. ursus arctos Posted: August 22, 2012 at 03:55 PM (#4215046)
Excellent post.

And you didn't even touch the whole role of rugby in the Resistance.
   1158. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: August 22, 2012 at 03:56 PM (#4215049)
Reading is up 2-1 on Chelsea. Anyone watching that one? DiMatteo out!
Killing my fantasy team!
   1159. Swedish Chef Posted: August 22, 2012 at 04:10 PM (#4215061)
For some misguided reason has Ajax snapped up Christian Poulsen. They will regret that.

Says here that Poulsen is one of two players to have played in the highest leagues in Spain, France, England, Germany and Italy; apparently for some generous definition of play.

EDIT: The other player is megastar Florin Raducioiu.
   1160. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: August 22, 2012 at 04:12 PM (#4215064)
Well, one goalkeeping blunder apiece now...
   1161. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: August 22, 2012 at 04:25 PM (#4215081)
How in the world does that not get called offside? How is that possible to miss?
   1162. Swedish Chef Posted: August 22, 2012 at 04:27 PM (#4215084)
Torres pays off a bit of that transfer fee.
   1163. DA Baracus is gritty and hits with RISP Posted: August 22, 2012 at 04:44 PM (#4215115)
Torres pays off a bit of that transfer fee.


No, the assistant ref did.
   1164. Swedish Chef Posted: August 22, 2012 at 04:47 PM (#4215121)
Scoring offside goals is also a skill.
   1165. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: August 22, 2012 at 05:09 PM (#4215163)
The CL anthem is even worse with the words. It is also really bizarre to attend a performance of Zadok the Priest these days. There are going to be a lot of confused Brits at the next coronation.

This is only somewhat related, but I'm curious. With the understanding that I'm asking you to generalize on the opinion of a whole continent -- do Europeans find our playing of the national anthem before all sporting events to be weird?

Edited to add: Also, re Beinsports, Grant Wahl tweeted earlier that they are close to announcing a partership/deal before the WCQ against Jamaica. He speculated it was Comcast.
   1166. DA Baracus is gritty and hits with RISP Posted: August 22, 2012 at 05:10 PM (#4215165)
Scoring offside goals is also a skill.


Touche.
   1167. ursus arctos Posted: August 22, 2012 at 05:15 PM (#4215173)
1165, literally dozens of Europeans have told me that they find it bizarre at games not involving national teams. Nor does there seem to be much variability in the incredulity quotient from country to country.
   1168. Swedish Chef Posted: August 22, 2012 at 05:20 PM (#4215180)
do Europeans find our playing of the national anthem before all sporting events to be weird?

Not weird enough to not ape. In Sweden hockey games tend to have the anthem, while soccer games don't (except for the national team). I don't know if it's explained by demographics or what, but the hockey crowd certainly don't mind. Many soccer clubs have their own terrible anthems that they distress music lovers with, playing the Swedish national anthem (trite and profoundly disturbed as it is) would be an improvement musically at least.

EDIT: Personally, I would find it weird at a soccer game, but for some reason I don't much note it at a hockey game, maybe it's just a matter of conditioning.
   1169. FancyPantsHandle glistening with foreign substance Posted: August 22, 2012 at 07:18 PM (#4215260)
Stuttgart and Dinamo Moscow are playing now and the Stuttgart ultras have huge banners saying "You Don't Care About Football You Only Care About Money" and "UEFA=Mafia". Both signs in English, natch.

"UEFA=Mafia" could be German.

Illegal streams have taught me Mr. Clean is known as Meister Proper in Germany. Heh. I can't wait to learn about Italian names for common American products when I'm watching Torino on a crappy feed Sunday.

edit: And Head and Shoulders is known as...Head and Shoulders. Just FYI, people.

Heh. Don't get me started on renamed products.

Actually translated movie titles can be hilarious.
   1170. Swedish Chef Posted: August 22, 2012 at 07:21 PM (#4215264)
Chainrai resurrects his Portsmouth bid. Expected to close in two weeks.

Is Portsmouth the most dicked around with club ever or what? Sure they have a compelling storyline this year where a team of outcasts and unknowns fight against impossible odds. Pity it only ever ends happily in movies.
   1171. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: August 22, 2012 at 09:37 PM (#4215323)
Is Portsmouth the most dicked around with club ever or what? Sure they have a compelling storyline this year where a team of outcasts and unknowns fight against impossible odds. Pity it only ever ends happily in movies.
They need Rachel Phelps to attempt to buy the team and move them to Miami.
   1172. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: August 22, 2012 at 10:08 PM (#4215342)
   1173. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: August 22, 2012 at 10:10 PM (#4215343)
Spurs sign Shooty! Spurs sign Shooty!

This is the greatest and most lucrative day of my life.
   1174. Crispix Attacks 2: Swag Airlines Posted: August 22, 2012 at 10:27 PM (#4215356)
   1175. sardonic Posted: August 23, 2012 at 12:23 AM (#4215432)
oh snap
   1176. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: August 23, 2012 at 08:31 AM (#4215551)
QPR have gone nutty. Now they're after Julio Cesar after just signing Robert Green. Green is a good keeper! You just have to stomach a few howlers a year, is all. QPR should be wondering why Inter are happy to let go a keeper who should be in his prime and why no other big clubs have come in for him.

Sunderland are paying 15 million for Steven Fletcher. 15 million! Holy crap! And West Ham are paying 11 million for Matt Jarvis. Those are good players but that's some pricey business. Arsenal got Santi Cazorla for around 12 million to put it in perspective. Spurs got Sigurdsson for 8 million. Are teams down the table being forced to pay a premium or something? Is it because of wages?

At noon EST Anzhi play the Jozy Altidore led AZ Alkmaar. Looking forward to that one. Let's see what Jozy can do against Kris Samba.

Also, just to tease my fellow Spurs fans, supposedly there's a 21 million pound bid in for Leandro with add-ons. If that's true, I'd think that was good enough to get it done but I don't have much faith in the source.
   1177. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: August 23, 2012 at 08:41 AM (#4215555)
Swansea are signing Ki Sung-yueng from Celtic for 6 million. Can't say I know much about him.
   1178. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: August 23, 2012 at 09:17 AM (#4215591)
Spurs news: Kaboul is out for Saturday's game with a bad knee so expect Vertonghen to get his first start. And Gio Dos Santos pulled a muscle again. Yeah, he's still around...
   1179. Mattbert Posted: August 23, 2012 at 09:21 AM (#4215593)
Are teams down the table being forced to pay a premium or something? Is it because of wages?

It's usually a function of the length of the contract remaining. I don't know how long Jarvis had left to run, but Fletcher had another two or three years left on his deal I believe.
   1180. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: August 23, 2012 at 09:39 AM (#4215609)
Also, just to tease my fellow Spurs fans, supposedly there's a 21 million pound bid in for Leandro with add-ons. If that's true, I'd think that was good enough to get it done but I don't have much faith in the source.
I thought the source was the Telegraph. They're reasonably reputable on football, no? ... Looking it up, the Telegraph reported a new offer, but not its precise size. So, a less than reputable source has said that Spurs met Internacional's reported asking price?
And Gio Dos Santos pulled a muscle again. Yeah, he's still around...
The AVB who exists in my brain rates Dos Santos, and is open to Levy selling Van Der Vaart because he'd like to open up some minutes for Giovani as the #10. So this frustrates both me and the mini AVB in my brain.
   1181. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: August 23, 2012 at 09:45 AM (#4215616)
and is open to Levy selling Van Der Vaart because he'd like to open up some minutes for Giovani as the #10.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
   1182. Mattbert Posted: August 23, 2012 at 10:01 AM (#4215632)
I agree with Shooty. Rafa would be the current Spurs player I'd be most gutted to see leave. Yes, even more than Sandro and the boy Bale.
   1183. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: August 23, 2012 at 10:12 AM (#4215641)
And West Ham are paying 11 million for Matt Jarvis.
Now worth 44% of Reading FC!

I guess Levy doesn't <3 Van Der Vaart. Of course, he better sell him somewhere in England. My fantasy team can't keep losing midfielders to the continent.
   1184. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: August 23, 2012 at 10:13 AM (#4215645)
I have only been following for a short time. Van Der Vaart's never appealed to me super much as a fan, though he's obviously capable of brilliance.

It still seems to me that Van Der Vaart is a relatively poor fit for this roster and for AVB's tactics. He doesn't have the defensive skills to play deeper in midfield against most clubs, and AVB seems to want his forward players to press hard up the pitch. Again, that's not playing to Van Der Vaart's strengths. At his best position, he overlaps heavily with Gylfi. VDV could be valuable as a sub or rotation player, but he doesn't seem like a guy who sees himself taking that sort of playing time reduction. If he could be sold for good money and that money reinvested in younger player who fit the squad better, with Giovani taking up some of the work as a rotation player / sub at a similar position, that seems like a positive set of moves.
   1185. Sweet Posted: August 23, 2012 at 10:14 AM (#4215646)
The AVB who exists in my brain rates Dos Santos, and is open to Levy selling Van Der Vaart because he'd like to open up some minutes for Giovani as the #10. So this frustrates both me and the mini AVB in my brain.

As possibly the world's only owner of a "Giovani" Tottenham kit -- the "Are you sure you want to make this purchase?" pop-up on the team's website was probably generic, but maybe not . . . -- I'd love to see him and VDV split time as the #10. I could also imagine Dos Santos flourishing on the right, but probably not under AVB, who seems to like the Sturridge/Ramires/Lennon winger model.
   1186. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: August 23, 2012 at 10:28 AM (#4215663)
I don't think Dos Santos would be a good #10. He'd be good on the right of a 4-3-3 but he has only a year left on his contract and I can't imagine he'll sign an extension. It's really just time for him to go.
   1187. I am going to be Frank Posted: August 23, 2012 at 10:29 AM (#4215664)
Are teams down the table being forced to pay a premium or something?


Its the British/English premium. The players are a known quantity and some teams are unwilling to take a risk on some striker from a lesser known team in say the French league.

You would think with all the success Newcastle had last season that teams would learn to scout the continent better. Granted a team like Sunderland may not be able to attract a French or German international, but there is plenty of talent out there that would want the exposure of Premier League football.
   1188. Baldrick Posted: August 23, 2012 at 10:31 AM (#4215665)
Well, it's awesome to be able to watch Reading now that we're finally back in the Premier League. I watched the game yesterday at a pub in the Lower Haight. The difference between watching them up on the big screen against Chelsea and getting a grainy feed of a match against Ipswich is like night and day.

When we went down 1-0, I was bracing myself for a long day and a long season. And then we went up 2-1. And should have made it 3-1 right before the half. It was glorious. For about 40 minutes yesterday, Reading were at the top of the Premier league table!

A terrible goalkeeping blunder brought it back to 2-2, but that's only fair because the second Reading goal was really just a big mistake from Cech.

And then that preposterously offside goal from Torres brought it all tumbling down. And I was reminded that this may be a long, frustrating season. Still, a great performance from my boys. If they play like this over the course of the season, we will definitely be staying up.
   1189. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: August 23, 2012 at 10:40 AM (#4215672)
I saw the second half, thought Reading's defense looked very good. Obviously keepers will have their howlers, but Federici struck me as just not looking like an athlete. He's got to be carrying 10-15 extra pounds on that frame that don't need to be there. You don't see that with premier league footballers.
   1190. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: August 23, 2012 at 10:42 AM (#4215675)
And then that preposterously offside goal from Torres brought it all tumbling down. And I was reminded that this may be a long, frustrating season. Still, a great performance from my boys. If they play like this over the course of the season, we will definitely be staying up.

So far so good for Reading, I think. I really have no idea who is going down and since the promoted teams look good and the teams that were promoted last year have been good, I wonder if a team we don't yet suspect could be relegated. If you put a gun to my head I'd say Norwich, Wigan and Reading but I have zero confidence in that prediction. Reading have some good players, I think Chris Hughton will get Norwich playing well and Wigan always wriggle off the hook.
   1191. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: August 23, 2012 at 10:55 AM (#4215688)
No Clint Dempsey again this weekend. It's disappointing to see him leave Fulham like this. Papa Bear maintains no one has put in a bid for him yet so there's nothing Fulham can do.
   1192. Swedish Chef Posted: August 23, 2012 at 11:23 AM (#4215722)
   1193. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: August 23, 2012 at 11:27 AM (#4215731)
I saw that Chef. Who would've thought a guy named Paddy would do such a thing? Hilarious. I guess they're bring in Cesar to protect themselves from any future Paddy Kenny texts.
   1194. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: August 23, 2012 at 11:44 AM (#4215753)
Paddy Kenny is the guy who got his eyebrow bitten off in a bar fight, right? Class act.
   1195. ursus arctos Posted: August 23, 2012 at 11:53 AM (#4215767)
Julio Cesar on his way to London to sign for QPR, according to Italian media.
   1196. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: August 23, 2012 at 12:27 PM (#4215823)
Julio Cesar on his way to London to sign for QPR, according to Italian media.

What a bizarre overreaction to one bad game.

Robbie Rogers is heading to Stevenage on loan. Should we nickname him Wrong Way Robbie? Hopefully he can get a run of games and show what he can do as he barely made an appearance last year before getting injured. He should do well playing in Stevenage's direct style, no?
   1197. Mattbert Posted: August 23, 2012 at 01:02 PM (#4215879)
Julio Cesar on his way to London to sign for QPR, according to Italian media.

I love, love, love watching what happens when Mark Hughes gets handed a blank check.
   1198. DA Baracus is gritty and hits with RISP Posted: August 23, 2012 at 01:33 PM (#4215931)
Robbie Rogers is heading to Stevenage on loan. Should we nickname him Wrong Way Robbie? Hopefully he can get a run of games and show what he can do


Which is not much. I'm constantly shaking my head at teams signing guys because they made a couple of national team appearances. The American ones are particularly bad. Robbie Findley couldn't start in Utah but he gets a couple of starts in the World Cup when Edson Buddle should have and Nottingham Forest buys him. He can't score there either. Alejandro Bedoya gets on the Gold Cup roster and Rangers go "hey this guy must be good!" Now he's back in Sweden. Who's the next marginal USMNT player who will go abroad? Fiscal? Zusi?
   1199. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: August 23, 2012 at 02:27 PM (#4216031)
Reina, Kelly, Carragher, Agger, Robinson, Henderson, Adam, Spearing, Shelvey, Borini, Sterling.

Liverpool's team for today. Andy Carroll is injured. Not sure if that's injured or "injured", though. Downing is on the bench so Liverpool might have a chance...

Meanwhile, Newcastle are locked in a 1-1 game with Atromitos. Ryan Taylor with Newcastle's goal.

edit: Victor Moses headed to Chelsea.
   1200. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: August 23, 2012 at 02:36 PM (#4216047)
Which is not much. I'm constantly shaking my head at teams signing guys because they made a couple of national team appearances.

I think Rogers is all right, but then I know I rate him more than most. English teams can only sign guys who are getting caps so it makes sense if they're going to take a punt, it's going to be on fringy national team guys due to work permit issues. I think it'll be a long time before Americans get permits using the exceptional talent route.
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