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Tuesday, July 31, 2012

OT: The Soccer Thread: August 2012

Welcome to August! Notable Events:

Olympic Women’s Gold Medal Game: August 9
Olympic Men’s Gold Medal Game: August 11

(Both will be aired by NBC on or about August 15)

EPL Kick-Off: August 18
La Liga Kick-Off: August 19
Seria A Kick-Off: August 25

Let the excitement begin!

RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: July 31, 2012 at 10:35 AM | 1942 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1201. Jeffo has an El Camino full of Rampage Posted: August 23, 2012 at 02:44 PM (#4216062)
Victor Moses headed to Chelsea.

That's a relief, I was worried they didn't have enough new talent brought in this summer...

Anyway, just noticed that Barcelona plays Madrid at 4:30 Eastern time this afternoon....in China. Wouldn't that make the game in the middle of the night local time? That seems pretty crazy, even though I imagine the timing is for viewership in Spain. Are they expecting a sellout crowd I wonder?
   1202. jolietconvict Posted: August 23, 2012 at 02:50 PM (#4216070)
The match is at Camp Nou according to the Real Madrid website. Still crazy to me that they play a game at 10:30 at night.
   1203. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: August 23, 2012 at 02:50 PM (#4216071)
Moses was by a wide margin the best player on the pitch for Wigan against Chelsea, I thought. that's a pretty huge loss for them, especially heading into a winnable game at Southampton.
   1204. Jeffo has an El Camino full of Rampage Posted: August 23, 2012 at 02:56 PM (#4216080)
The match is at Camp Nou according to the Real Madrid website

Well that makes more sense - not sure where I got that idea from. Thanks.

Hopefully Wigan can spend some of whatever money they get on a replacement, but I imagine that will be a tough loss to overcome for Wigan.
   1205. DA Baracus is gritty and hits with RISP Posted: August 23, 2012 at 03:05 PM (#4216092)
English teams can only sign guys who are getting caps so it makes sense if they're going to take a punt, it's going to be on fringy national team guys due to work permit issues.


Of course. But they're still lousy players.
   1206. Swedish Chef Posted: August 23, 2012 at 03:06 PM (#4216096)
Well that makes more sense - not sure where I got that idea from. Thanks.

They are moving their super cup to China from next year on for a nice bundle of euros.

Also, 22:30 is just dinner time in Spain, frontrunning kids with the bad taste to root for one of those teams can see the game.
   1207. Mattbert Posted: August 23, 2012 at 03:12 PM (#4216102)
That is a big loss for Wigan, but not one they'll have been unprepared for I have to think. Martinez already grabbed Riyo Miyaichi on loan from Arsenal; I assume he'll slot into the Moses role without too much trouble.

Moses is a good young talent, but Chelsea seems an odd destination for him. To review, that's now pushing double figures in personnel for mostly the same position.

Chelsea has Juan Mata, Eden Hazard, Marko Marin, Oscar, Gael Kakuta, and now Victor Moses as young wingers / attacking midfielders in the current squad. Oh, and Daniel Sturridge if you consider him a forward/winger rather than a pure striker. Plus they've still got Florent Malouda and Yossi Benayoun hanging around.

Lest you think the numbers get more reasonable if those old guys kick off...not so fast. There's Kevin De Bruyne, Lucas Piazon, and Thorgan Hazard ready to break in soon.
   1208. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: August 23, 2012 at 03:13 PM (#4216103)
FFP will eliminate that kind of talent hoarding...
   1209. Mattbert Posted: August 23, 2012 at 03:17 PM (#4216106)
This is the year Chelsea breaks even!

This is the year Chelsea shows progress towards breaking even!

This is the year...oh, who are we kidding?
   1210. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: August 23, 2012 at 03:28 PM (#4216124)
Liverpool have had a couple of chances, but a sloppy performance overall. Charlie Adam has been terrible--even his first touch has been off--and I'm not saying that because he's Bale's mortal enemy.
   1211. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: August 23, 2012 at 03:30 PM (#4216130)
And Borini just missed the easiest shot on goal he'll have all year. D'oh.
   1212. Crispix Attacks 2: Swag Airlines Posted: August 23, 2012 at 04:04 PM (#4216182)
Moses is a good young talent, but Chelsea seems an odd destination for him. To review, that's now pushing double figures in personnel for mostly the same position.

Presumably he's going to go on loan to, like, let's say, Wigan or somewhere. Kakuta has spent the last decade or so on loan. Benayoun was obviously on loan all of last year. Maybe Kakuta, Lukaku and Moses can all go on loan together as a premium loan package. Or Chelsea can just buy some other team and fill it with Chelsea players like Arsenal and that Belgian team, or Udinese and Watford.

The Moses situation really illustrates what a "selling club" is. He was the hot property in the Championship after doing great with Crystal Palace. He went to Wigan in February 2010 and basically did nothing for a year and a half. He scored his first goal for Wigan last December, and now he's off. If you buy high (in the market for as-yet-unproven players), you'd better sell high as well.
   1213. Swedish Chef Posted: August 23, 2012 at 04:27 PM (#4216210)
Lecce relegated to oblivion (or the fourth division) in the match fixing scandal.
   1214. JuanGone..except1game Posted: August 23, 2012 at 04:35 PM (#4216220)
Chelsea has Juan Mata, Eden Hazard, Marko Marin, Oscar, Gael Kakuta, and now Victor Moses as young wingers / attacking midfielders in the current squad. Oh, and Daniel Sturridge if you consider him a forward/winger rather than a pure striker. Plus they've still got Florent Malouda and Yossi Benayoun hanging around.


He did play some supporting striker at Crystal Palace, but Chelsea probably would have been better off looking at real striker to backup Torres and Sturridge. But at 9m I can't complain. If your going to buy young assets, I'd rather have him at 9m than Rodwell at 12.5m or Powell at 7m any day.

Charlie Adam has been terrible--even his first touch has been off--and I'm not saying that because he's Bale's mortal enemy.


Trust me Shooty, there is absolutely no need to qualify or explain the first 5 words of that sentence.
   1215. Darkness and the howling fantods Posted: August 23, 2012 at 05:08 PM (#4216241)
Ramos looks uncannily like Top-Gun-era Val Kilmer with his new haircut.
   1216. Rennie's Tenet Posted: August 23, 2012 at 05:14 PM (#4216246)
I've asked a couple of times about young Australian keeper Matt Ryan, who just wrapped up a trial with Spurs. The Hampstead and Highgate Express reports, "His agent, Warren Craig, has also revealed that Burnley, Derby County and Birmingham City are all interested in Ryan....'All three contacted me when we were there and wanted to have a look at Matt, so obviously he is gaining something of a reputation,' Craig said."

My guess is that if his agent is saying there's also interest from Burnley, Derby and Birmingham City that there's no chance he ends up signing with Spurs, correct?
   1217. ursus arctos Posted: August 23, 2012 at 05:21 PM (#4216250)
Almost certainly.
   1218. Swedish Chef Posted: August 23, 2012 at 05:30 PM (#4216258)
It's better to be a regular keeper in the Championship than a third choice in Prem. At least if he have ambitions that go further than cashing the paychecks.
   1219. President of the David Eckstein Fan Club Posted: August 23, 2012 at 05:45 PM (#4216262)
After being really outplayed in the first half, Real take the lead!

And Pedro immediately responds, wow. Great ball from Mascherano.
   1220. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: August 23, 2012 at 06:25 PM (#4216291)
A reporter at The Guardian is tweeting Sahin is having a medical at...Liverpool! Great pickup for Pool if true. I'm guessing today's performance hasn't dissuaded Rodgers he needs reinforcements.
   1221. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: August 23, 2012 at 06:48 PM (#4216297)
Nope, not taking the bait this time. Until I see the pics of Sahin and Rodgers' choreographed chumming or awkward handshakes with Ian Ayre, I'm assuming it's all a ruse.
   1222. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: August 23, 2012 at 07:26 PM (#4216314)
BBC, Keith, the BBC...

Sahin is on 115K a week? No wonder he's not going to Spurs!
   1223. Mattbert Posted: August 23, 2012 at 07:59 PM (#4216337)
And Borini just missed the easiest shot on goal he'll have all year. D'oh.

Settling in nicely at Liverpool, then. Narf!

Sahin is on 115K a week? No wonder he's not going to Spurs!

But but but...I was told that Sigurdsson chose Tottenham over Liverpool for the money!
   1224. Mattbert Posted: August 23, 2012 at 08:16 PM (#4216348)
Presumably he's going to go on loan to, like, let's say, Wigan or somewhere. Kakuta has spent the last decade or so on loan. Benayoun was obviously on loan all of last year. Maybe Kakuta, Lukaku and Moses can all go on loan together as a premium loan package.

I don't think so. Chelsea are thin on home-grown players to round out their 25-man squad. Cole, Lampard, Terry, Cahill, Sturridge, Bertrand, and Turnbull are all English. That's seven. Kakuta makes eight, I think. That gives them the minimum. Moses makes nine and would allow Chelsea to loan Kakuta out again if they wish, without handicapping their squad size.

The Moses situation really illustrates what a "selling club" is. He was the hot property in the Championship after doing great with Crystal Palace. He went to Wigan in February 2010 and basically did nothing for a year and a half. He scored his first goal for Wigan last December, and now he's off.

I think you're at least a year off on that first goal. Moses was indeed on the periphery for most of his first season at Wigan, but I'm pretty sure he managed to find the net once or twice. He really blossomed last season after N'Zogbia left for Villa, though. I'm sure he should score more, but his role at Wigan was really more to be the outlet for balls played out from their back three and to provide for Di Santo. And he's quite good at doing that, from either flank.

If anything, I think he's a bit of a bargain for Chelsea at <£10M. Wigan probably could have held out for more, especially if they had a hunch Chelsea were after him as much for his home-grown eligibility as his actual talent.

   1225. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: August 23, 2012 at 08:45 PM (#4216368)
Fun story by Brian Phillips on Pro Vercelli, the legendary Italian club that through an insane sequence of events is somehow playing in Serie B this season after blipping out of existence just a couple years ago.
   1226. Mattbert Posted: August 23, 2012 at 09:19 PM (#4216391)
And Pedro immediately responds, wow. Great ball from Mascherano.

Even better first touch from Pedro. And a ferocious finish.

Iniesta's run and deft little through ball for Xavi to tuck away Barca's third was even better than that though. Absolutely sublime.
   1227. Swedish Chef Posted: August 24, 2012 at 03:46 AM (#4216495)
   1228. Obi One Kenobi Nil Posted: August 24, 2012 at 05:05 AM (#4216498)
Presumably he's going to go on loan to, like, let's say, Wigan or somewhere. Kakuta has spent the last decade or so on loan. Benayoun was obviously on loan all of last year. Maybe Kakuta, Lukaku and Moses can all go on loan together as a premium loan package. Or Chelsea can just buy some other team and fill it with Chelsea players like Arsenal and that Belgian team, or Udinese and Watford.


I assumed their primary motivation in getting Moses was to stick him on the bench during Champions League's games so he can count as a "home grown" player.
   1229. jmurph Posted: August 24, 2012 at 08:20 AM (#4216530)
Fun story by Brian Phillips on Pro Vercelli, the legendary Italian club that through an insane sequence of events is somehow playing in Serie B this season after blipping out of existence just a couple years ago.


Came here to post this now. It's very good, but MCoA left out some key words: obsessive Football Manager playing/blogging.
   1230. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: August 24, 2012 at 08:40 AM (#4216545)
Adam Johnson looks likely to go to Sunderland. Chelsea sign Cesar Azpilicueta for 7 million or, as Roman calls it, ashtray money, bro. What else? Spurs continue to be linked to Dembele, Moutinho, Isco, Llorente, Damiao, Willian, Philip Emmerick Aubemayang, Yann M'Villa, Esteban Granero and Gaston Ramirez. The last week of the window is a killer. No way I get anything useful done. Sir Alex claims Man U are finished in the transfer window so no deep lying midfielders coming in, I guess, or he could just be full of crap as usual.

Speaking of Man U and being full of crap, there's a weird story making the round in the Spurs blogosphere about Zeki Fryers who just signed with Standard Liege. The story is that Spurs have a secret deal with Liege to buy Fryers back next year for a couple of million as a way to get around the tribunal process which had set his fee at an excessive 6 million because of Man U's influence over the tribunal. Is there anything to this? It sounds like tinfoil hat stuff.
   1231. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: August 24, 2012 at 08:49 AM (#4216549)
Anzhi's story gets weirder and weirder.

Vaguely related...I've been considering a trip to the region around Rostov-on-Don or Kazakhstan. Is that nutty?
   1232. Mattbert Posted: August 24, 2012 at 08:50 AM (#4216551)
Sir Alex claims Man U are finished in the transfer window so no deep lying midfielders coming in, I guess, or he could just be full of crap as usual.

That sort of emphatic statement is usually a dead giveaway that he's about to sign someone.
   1233. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: August 24, 2012 at 08:53 AM (#4216553)
That sort of emphatic statement is usually a dead giveaway that he's about to sign someone.

Supposedly he's been scouting Dembele which makes a lot sense for them.
   1234. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: August 24, 2012 at 09:15 AM (#4216571)
   1235. Mattbert Posted: August 24, 2012 at 09:31 AM (#4216584)
Anzhi's story gets weirder and weirder.

"Caucasians go home!" This sounds like a Yakov Smirnoff bit.

"In Soviet Russia, Whitey racially abuse Caucasians! What a country!"
   1236. Mattbert Posted: August 24, 2012 at 09:33 AM (#4216586)
Supposedly he's been scouting Dembele which makes a lot sense for them.

Que? He seems kind of redundant with Kagawa as a #10, and he's not really mobile or defensively gifted enough to cover central midfield if he plays deeper.
   1237. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: August 24, 2012 at 09:39 AM (#4216591)
Que? He seems kind of redundant with Kagawa as a #10, and he's not really mobile or defensively gifted enough to cover central midfield if he plays deeper.

I think he can play deeper and I suspect as his career goes on he'll move deeper and deeper. If Spurs sign him I see them playing him alongside Sandro. That said, I don't think Spurs will go in for him.

"In Soviet Russia, Whitey racially abuse Caucasians! What a country!"

Someone tell Farrakhan there's a magical land where caucasians are the ones discriminated against! (I keed, I keed!)
   1238. Mattbert Posted: August 24, 2012 at 01:04 PM (#4216818)
Chelsea has made further progress towards breaking even by signing Cesar Azpilicueta from Marseille. Yet another nice pickup. Fullback was an area of weakness for them; an injury to Ivanovic, and they were looking at dusting off Paulo Ferreira to play back there. I think Ivanovic prefers to play in the middle anyway.

How differently would this transfer window have shaken out for Chelsea if Leo Messi or Arjen Robben could hit a friggin' spot kick? I'm thinking at least half of their summer signings would have elected to go elsewhere.
   1239. Swedish Chef Posted: August 24, 2012 at 01:15 PM (#4216834)
Vaguely related...I've been considering a trip to the region around Rostov-on-Don

Ah, vacation like a member of the Soviet Nomenklatura.

or Kazakhstan. Is that nutty?

Unless you're a space nut and want to go to Baikonur, I don't see the attraction. Really horrible climate and not a beach (or bikini) in sight.
   1240. Swedish Chef Posted: August 24, 2012 at 01:16 PM (#4216835)
Fredrik Ljungberg has retired. Sniff, sniff, we won't see his like in Sweden again.
   1241. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: August 24, 2012 at 01:25 PM (#4216846)
Unless you're a space nut and want to go to Baikonur, I don't see the attraction. Really horrible climate and not a beach (or bikini) in sight.

Yeah, but that part of the world has these fellas.
   1242. Mattbert Posted: August 24, 2012 at 01:29 PM (#4216852)
Yeah, but that part of the world has these fellas.

"This isn't the camel toe you're looking for."

*waves hand*
   1243. Swedish Chef Posted: August 24, 2012 at 01:29 PM (#4216855)
Yeah, but that part of the world has these fellas.

Nobody tell Zlatan Ibrahimovic or he'll charter a plane to go there and bag himself a couple.
   1244. Crispix Attacks 2: Swag Airlines Posted: August 24, 2012 at 01:31 PM (#4216857)
And the manul.
   1245. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: August 24, 2012 at 01:33 PM (#4216859)
"This isn't the camel toe you're looking for."

*waves hand*


I'll have you know I take my bizarre wildlife very seriously, funny man.
   1246. Mattbert Posted: August 24, 2012 at 01:58 PM (#4216887)
I'll have you know, Roo-tang Clan ain't nuttin ta f**k with.

A colleague of my wife's was at a park in Tasmania several years ago, and there were about two dozen kangaroos hanging around in this one spot, just kinda chilling out. One started getting a little curious and hopped over towards this guy and was sniffing around and otherwise getting up in his grill. So the guy sort of put his foot on the roo's belly and gently pushed it back.

The roo made what he described as "an exaggerated exhaling sound", and at that moment all the other roos' heads snapped up from whatever they were doing and just stared at him. He said at that point he would rather have been in the wrong part of Detroit after dark. Luckily, nothing happened so he paused and then slowly backed away from the area after a few moments. But I reckon he came awfully close to getting his ass beat.
   1247. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: August 24, 2012 at 02:07 PM (#4216900)
The roo made what he described as "an exaggerated exhaling sound", and at that moment all the other roos' heads snapped up from whatever they were doing and just stared at him. He said at that point he would rather have been in the wrong part of Detroit after dark. Luckily, nothing happened so he paused and then slowly backed away from the area after a few moments. But I reckon he came awfully close to getting his ass beat.

Wallabies are definitely less intimidating while maintaining all the roo goodness you travel to Australia for.

A really boring day in the transfer market today. Modric is still a Spur, Huddlestone's loan to Stoke may be off, and Edu is closer to joining Stoke as they've agreed to a fee with Rangers.
   1248. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: August 24, 2012 at 02:12 PM (#4216906)
Why it's a good thing not to be famous.

Half asleep? Check
Pants untied? Check
Wearing a 1976 USA Eugene, Oregon Olympic Trials t-shirt? Bizarrely...check.
Aggressive autograph seeker getting in your grill, camera in tow? Check
Posted on twitter for all to see? Check

Damn it, Luka, you're supposed to be in Madrid. FFS!
   1249. PepTech Posted: August 24, 2012 at 03:52 PM (#4216990)
Alright, campers, no fair zooming in to read the sponsor names.

English Football Kit Quiz

I would love seeing Burnley and Scunthorpe join Villa and the Hammers in the FA Cup semis.

EDIT: Only three of 92 have any sort of green whatsoever. I find that... intriguing. Four if you count sponsor logos.
   1250. Mattbert Posted: August 24, 2012 at 04:13 PM (#4217013)
The green ones were the first ones I guessed, for exactly that reason. Once you get into all the lower division teams with various combinations of red and white, it's bloody hopeless.

I got 37 in total. Of the Premier League clubs, I only missed on Reading. They changed their kit a bit since I last saw them play regularly.
   1251. Mattbert Posted: August 24, 2012 at 05:17 PM (#4217071)
Adam Johnson has signed for Sunderland. Odds on Martin O'Neill being "delighted" with this bit of business: 99%.
   1252. Sean Forman Posted: August 24, 2012 at 05:37 PM (#4217084)
Alright, campers, no fair zooming in to read the sponsor names.

English Football Kit Quiz


Gave up at 14. Stoke is about the only one I think I should have gotten. I was expecting black not white shorts.

This might have to replace my Flipflopflyball skin for my ipad.

I also like the Bradford City and Blackpool kits are pretty sharp. Something about orange I guess.
   1253. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: August 24, 2012 at 06:10 PM (#4217102)
The Pro Vercelli series by Phillips was one reason why I picked up FM. Now if only I could get Luton out of the Championship.
   1254. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: August 24, 2012 at 06:28 PM (#4217120)
   1255. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: August 24, 2012 at 06:35 PM (#4217128)
I have never spoken to Sid Lowe in my life!

Oh!
   1256. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: August 24, 2012 at 07:51 PM (#4217260)
Despite the snark above, I have to say I'm anticipating your post in ST on that incredible Sox/Dodgers deal, MCoA. I'm also curious to see if the response from the English media is "FSG, Desperate for Money, Cut Costs Across Pond - Agger Next?" or something similar.
   1257. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: August 24, 2012 at 08:09 PM (#4217301)
So, Liverpool have the Xabi Alonso funds they so crave now!
   1258. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: August 24, 2012 at 08:34 PM (#4217334)
The Willian thing with Spurs is real. He gave a long interview today basically begging Shaktar to let him go to Spurs. Ironically, he seems to be in the same boat Modric is in.
   1259. J. Sosa Posted: August 25, 2012 at 12:36 AM (#4217591)
re: 1256

Yeah, I'm sure there are probably a bunch of Red Sox fans already raging about LFC (no sarcasm, I'm positive lots of fans will say it was because of Liverpool). Maybe Henry is gutting the Red Sox and planning to sell. Crazier things have happened.

Or the Red Sox could have realized they had Ned Coletti on the phone while he had hundreds of millions of dollars burning a hole in his pocket.

edit re: 1254

That was an interesting article. *

*Also, Sahin!!! I really don't understand Wenger. Sahin was perfect for them. A striker and some sort of wide player and I'll be happy. Also, I might have missed talk of it, but thoughts on Downing playing left back? I thought he looked decent. It might be crazy enough to work.
   1260. Juan V Posted: August 25, 2012 at 04:15 AM (#4217657)
And Nuri ends up in.... Liverpool!
   1261. Swedish Chef Posted: August 25, 2012 at 04:23 AM (#4217658)
So Suarez still doesn't get it, what a racist little prick.
   1262. FancyPantsHandle glistening with foreign substance Posted: August 25, 2012 at 06:50 AM (#4217674)
Good win, shaky performance. Reus seems to be fitting in well though, and it's nice to see Götze back on the scoreboard.
   1263. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: August 25, 2012 at 07:16 AM (#4217676)
Wenger on Sahin:

"If we wanted to sign Sahin, we would have done it. Sahin is a quality player but he is not a purely defensive midfielder. We have Jack Wilshere coming back and he is a similar type of player. If someone top-top class turns up, completely defensive, then we will consider it.”

Heh. The problem with Wenger is he doesn't have that Redknapp-like twinkle of the eye when he's spouting complete ####.
   1264. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: August 25, 2012 at 07:31 AM (#4217677)
Heh. The problem with Wenger is he doesn't have that Redknapp-like twinkle of the eye when he's spouting complete ####.
Frenchmen only have that when they're spouting complete #### to a woman. Arsène needs to start conducting all his press by doing it with American study-abroad girls in a café on the Seine. That'll bring out the twinkle.

Come on you Irons!
   1265. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: August 25, 2012 at 08:13 AM (#4217680)
West Ham can't handle Swansea's tempo at all. Also, it's going to be fun watching Nolan spend the rest of the game trying to bully Michu.
   1266. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: August 25, 2012 at 08:15 AM (#4217681)
I believe the technical soccer term for that is clownshoes. Glad I added Michu to my fantasy team!
   1267. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: August 25, 2012 at 08:20 AM (#4217683)
Here's the thing about Michu...I guess I can understand how other PL teams could miss him--never mind he scored 15 goals from midfield in one of the world's best leagues in a country the English find any excuse they can to go visit. But how did other Spanish teams or Rayo Vallecano not value him more highly?
   1268. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: August 25, 2012 at 08:32 AM (#4217684)
Ah, well, no one said it would be easy...

On a happier note, I think I'm going to Charlton when I'm in London. They're home to Derby my last night there, easy to reach on public transport, easy to get (I imagine) tickets. Sounds like a plan to me.
   1269. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: August 25, 2012 at 08:37 AM (#4217685)
The bad news for West Ham is they are really slow. Really slow. They are going to struggle all year with teams that play with any kind of pace. The good news is Matt Jarvis already looks good for them and they've been dangerous on set pieces. When they play Tottenham I think I'd be happy if Vertonghen or Kaboul play FB to get an extra big body in there to defend set pieces.

On a happier note, I think I'm going to Charlton when I'm in London. They're home to Derby my last night there, easy to reach on public transport, easy to get (I imagine) tickets. Sounds like a plan to me.

Nice. I really want to go to a lower division game when I'm there but there aren't any midweek fixtures that week.
   1270. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: August 25, 2012 at 09:00 AM (#4217691)
Oh, Danny Graham misses a sitter. Swansea carving West Ham up now.
   1271. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: August 25, 2012 at 09:03 AM (#4217692)
Despite the snark above, I have to say I'm anticipating your post in ST on that incredible Sox/Dodgers deal, MCoA.
Thanks. It's up. (Short form: though I'm skeptical of rough $$/win evaluations, at a certain point you just have to accept a deal that saves you truckloads of money over the next six years, and then you figure out what to do with the money afterward.) I'm sorry about the snark, it was a silly overreaction to a very minor disagreement. Though I don't like Luis Suarez.
   1272. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: August 25, 2012 at 09:06 AM (#4217693)
The bad news for West Ham is they are really slow. Really slow. They are going to struggle all year with teams that play with any kind of pace. The good news is Matt Jarvis already looks good for them and they've been dangerous on set pieces.
Yeah, they look like the platonic form of an English football club, except they forgot to acquire all the hard-working pacey wingers with mediocre ball skills and less game intelligence.

I know it's just one and a half games against bottom-of-the-table competition, but I'm feeling good about my crazy Swansea-finishes-8th prediction from preseason.
   1273. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: August 25, 2012 at 09:08 AM (#4217694)
And that's that. Should we start talking about the 10 am games yet? Swansea are now 2-0 with a +8 goal differential! My worries about them are proving unwarranted.
   1274. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: August 25, 2012 at 09:17 AM (#4217697)
This is about 40 passes in a row for Swansea. Ole! Ole! Ole!
   1275. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: August 25, 2012 at 09:34 AM (#4217703)
Rooney benched for Van Persie today. It's going to be interesting how Sir Alex manages his frontline depth. (Especially for my fantasy team. I almost brought in Kagawa this week, but decided the variance wasn't worth it.)
   1276. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: August 25, 2012 at 09:37 AM (#4217706)
Tottenham Hotspur lineup (4-2-3-1): Brad Friedel; Benoit Assou-Ekotto, Jan Verthonghen, William Gallas, Kyle Walker; Sandro, Jake Livermore; Gareth Bale, Rafael Van der Vaart, Aaron Lennon; Jermain Defoe

I thought at home AVB might try Van der Vaart deep with Sandro and keep Gylfi behind the striker, but nope, Livermore paired with Sandro again.

Odemwingie on the bench for Brom with James Morison taking his spot.
   1277. DA Baracus is gritty and hits with RISP Posted: August 25, 2012 at 09:41 AM (#4217709)
Games like that are how Elijah Wood turned to a life of crime.
   1278. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: August 25, 2012 at 09:53 AM (#4217717)
Roy Hodgson is putting the cart before the horse.

"They've got a major logistical problem on their hands," he said. "It's a vast country – I don't think we realise quite how vast – and there are going to be enormous difficulties for the teams that qualify, according to where they're drawn. You've got to remember, it's the Brazilian winter, so it's not going to be a particularly sunbathing time unless you happen to find yourself in Rio. If you're down in Porto Alegre, you're going to need a fur coat because it snows. And if you find yourself in Manaus then you will find 45-50 degrees heat and plenty of mosquitos as well being near the Amazon jungle."

Already preparing the excuses!
   1279. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: August 25, 2012 at 10:02 AM (#4217728)
Man do I need to watch some soccer and relax. The last 18 hours have been a bit too stressful for a fan of a 60-66 team.
   1280. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: August 25, 2012 at 10:03 AM (#4217730)
Whoa, that was nice. Man U might want to go centre back hunting t this rate.
   1281. DA Baracus is gritty and hits with RISP Posted: August 25, 2012 at 10:05 AM (#4217731)
No Dempsey, no problem!

That Hodgson quote is hilarious.

Whoa, that was nice. Man U might want to go centre back hunting t this rate.


Centerback Usain Bolt is in attendance!
   1282. frannyzoo Posted: August 25, 2012 at 10:08 AM (#4217736)
Furth v. Evil Empire, full slate of EPL, sans Sunderland (welcome to sunny Sunderland, Mr. Fletcher!), Serie A starts in less than two hours. We've gone from dog days to meth days of football and it's a bit overwhelming this morning. Go Furth (aka, stop Bayern)...
   1283. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: August 25, 2012 at 10:10 AM (#4217739)
Centerback Usain Bolt is in attendance!


He might be an improvement over Carrick who looks helplessly out of his depth (though the goal was Young's fault)
   1284. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: August 25, 2012 at 10:10 AM (#4217740)
Welcome to Manchester Robin.
   1285. I am going to be Frank Posted: August 25, 2012 at 10:13 AM (#4217744)
I honestly think this is probably close to United's best offensive lineup. Rooney is good but RVP is a better goal scorer and Kagawa is a better playmaker. Also - Valencia put in a cross with his left foot!
   1286. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: August 25, 2012 at 10:14 AM (#4217745)
WaS one of the Fulham players wearing headphones on the bench?
   1287. frannyzoo Posted: August 25, 2012 at 10:34 AM (#4217765)
I'm not wading into the direct threads on "the trade," but it does provide the single greatest defense EVER for those who criticize Silly Season. Baseball has just made silliness like the Modric Saga and the Eto'o/Ibra swap seem perfectly normal. Thank you, Boston Red Sox.

Not Ku guh wuh, English people, Ka Gah Wa, emphasis on second syllable! Roberto "Mart a nez" has bad pronunication company.
   1288. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: August 25, 2012 at 10:38 AM (#4217769)
Selling Kagawa this week is proving a bad move for my fantasy team.
   1289. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: August 25, 2012 at 10:40 AM (#4217772)
Yeah, [West Ham] look like the platonic form of an English football club, except they forgot to acquire all the hard-working pacey wingers with mediocre ball skills and less game intelligence.
Given that Big Sam is managing, I'm not sure it's "forgot" as "strenuously avoided."

For a game that they lost 3-0, that didn't really change my view of the Hammers much. Pacey teams--and good ones, of course--are going to give them trouble in general. But I remain convinced they can eek out enough draws and the occasionally grind-it-out goals on set pieces victories to stay up.

I turned this game on at 1-0 Fulham, and it seems like it's been all United ever since. EDIT: And that was BEFORE the third goal!
   1290. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: August 25, 2012 at 10:41 AM (#4217774)
Fulham might have been better off not scoring.
   1291. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: August 25, 2012 at 10:45 AM (#4217780)
Reading/Sunderland postpone due to heavy rains. No make up date.
   1292. frannyzoo Posted: August 25, 2012 at 10:57 AM (#4217800)
Dear Fancy Pants: Please come back. Yes, your "First!" comment in one of the Redsoxacylpse threads was so epic in its eventual wrongness that it has been taken down. Everybody's spectacularly wrong at times. Everybody. But we need you to tell us how much you hate Bayern. Everyday.

Sincerely, Other Bayern Haters
   1293. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: August 25, 2012 at 11:05 AM (#4217810)
Everything but a goal for Spurs. Very frustrating.
   1294. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: August 25, 2012 at 11:26 AM (#4217824)
Clown shoes defending by United gets Fulham back in it.
   1295. Swedish Chef Posted: August 25, 2012 at 11:42 AM (#4217838)
4.38pm: The class act that is Morten Gamst Pedersen has put Blackburn 2-1 up against Leicester City. After being written off by the club's management as an 'old man' before the season started, Pedersen celebrated with an imaginary walking stick.
   1296. I am going to be Frank Posted: August 25, 2012 at 11:56 AM (#4217855)
Wow that was nasty.
   1297. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: August 25, 2012 at 11:56 AM (#4217856)
That second half was really, really terrible from Spurs. I need to go for a run and sweat out the bad mojo now.
   1298. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: August 25, 2012 at 12:10 PM (#4217873)
That second half was really, really terrible from Spurs. I need to go for a run and sweat out the bad mojo now.
Yeah, I'm not in a good space right now. It seems like without VDV on the pitch, they just can't play effective possession football, linking between defense and attack. They need a playmaker. Adebayor seemed not fully fit when he came on. Still should have escaped with the points. Blrk.
   1299. FancyPantsHandle glistening with foreign substance Posted: August 25, 2012 at 01:05 PM (#4217933)
Dear Fancy Pants: Please come back. Yes, your "First!" comment in one of the Redsoxacylpse threads was so epic in its eventual wrongness that it has been taken down. Everybody's spectacularly wrong at times. Everybody. But we need you to tell us how much you hate Bayern. Everyday.

Sincerely, Other Bayern Haters

Nah, that post was actually completely correct. The occurrence of something with negative probability of happening however, has caused the universe to collapse, and merge with a separate universe, in order to maintain probabilistic integrity.

The effects of this merge are few, and subtle, but one of them is that Bayern is now totally awesome.
   1300. DA Baracus is gritty and hits with RISP Posted: August 25, 2012 at 01:18 PM (#4217946)
In 2.5 games, Hazard has created or scored nearly every goal Chelsea has scored.
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