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OT: The Soccer Thread: August 2012

Welcome to August! Notable Events:

Olympic Women’s Gold Medal Game: August 9
Olympic Men’s Gold Medal Game: August 11

(Both will be aired by NBC on or about August 15)

EPL Kick-Off: August 18
La Liga Kick-Off: August 19
Seria A Kick-Off: August 25

Let the excitement begin!

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   1801. Swedish Chef Posted: August 31, 2012 at 04:39 PM (#4224000)
Essien to Real is so silly it has to be true.
   1802. Swedish Chef Posted: August 31, 2012 at 04:47 PM (#4224008)
France is not going to miss out on the Joey Barton experience as England's edgiest performance artist goes international.
   1803. E., Hinske Posted: August 31, 2012 at 04:48 PM (#4224010)
I didn't watch much Liverpool last year but from what I saw, Adam's role wasn't close to the same as it was at Blackpool, where he had a lot more freedom. He wasn't really allowed to do the things that he was good at with Blackpool - running with the ball and creating offence. He seemed to be sitting deeper to me, making more short passes, I assume at Kenny's behest.

In any event, he's the star of the team that really locked me into football so I'm rooting for Stoke. If he's given a more similar role to his role at Blackpool. I suspect he'll do fine. Hopefully he sticks it up the Kop's collective ass at Liverpool...just like he did in 2010.
   1804. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: August 31, 2012 at 04:49 PM (#4224011)
On my phone. Very excited re dempsey to spurs. Will gloat later!
   1805. Neutral Milk Dotel (Dan Lee) Posted: August 31, 2012 at 04:51 PM (#4224013)
Liverpool fans having a collective nervous breakdown on Twitter. Extremely entertaining.

Edit to add: I'm also on my phone.
   1806. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: August 31, 2012 at 04:57 PM (#4224017)
On my phone. Very excited re dempsey to spurs. Will gloat later!
I like Dempsey, he's a scorer (need goals) and he can play off the striker and on the wing (won't be redundant with Ade or Siggy). But I'm concerned about the link-up between defense and attack that was so evidently killing Spurs in the first two games. Moutinho seemed to solve that problem perfectly, whereas now we have to hope that Dembele will be able to do the job.
   1807. Textbook Editor Posted: August 31, 2012 at 04:58 PM (#4224019)

On my phone. Very excited re dempsey to spurs. Will gloat later!


I have a smile on my face. This certainly gives AVB some options, no?
   1808. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: August 31, 2012 at 05:01 PM (#4224022)
£6M, per the Guardian.

That puts Tottenham almost exactly even for the window. It's hard to be too hopeful that they've got another £20M to spend on Moutinho. On the other hand, that's a great deal for Dempsey.

...and a three-year contract for Deuce, no report of wages.
   1809. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: August 31, 2012 at 05:10 PM (#4224028)
Sky report! Yossi Benayoun joins West Ham Loan-ited for the next season.
   1810. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: August 31, 2012 at 05:13 PM (#4224029)
Great news about Dempsey. Happy for the Spurs fans here and happy for Deuce who seems to be going to just the right sized club, big enough to be a CL contender but not so big that he's not a regular fixture in the starting 11.
   1811. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: August 31, 2012 at 05:20 PM (#4224032)
Lloris is £8M guaranteed, £4M in escalators, signed to a four-year contract.

Thing I'm mildly confused by - City signed a 19-year-old defender Matija Nastasic for £10M from Fiorentina, with Stefan Savic going to Fiorentina in return. Didn't this happen after the Italian transfer window closed?
   1812. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: August 31, 2012 at 05:46 PM (#4224045)
Honestly, between this transfer window for Liverpool and the Red Sox salary dump, I'm a touch concerned about Henry's finances.
   1813. Neutral Milk Dotel (Dan Lee) Posted: August 31, 2012 at 06:02 PM (#4224048)
Yeah, I think you'd have to be concerned. They sell Charlie Adam for £4 million and get a £1 million loan fee for Andy Carroll (and get Carroll's wages off the book) and they miss out on Dempsey because they aren't willing to pay £6M?

That's crazy. I know Deuce is 29, but are you trying to finish in the top four or are you trying to be Arsenal-lite and become a farm club for someone with money?
   1814. J. Sosa Posted: August 31, 2012 at 06:05 PM (#4224051)
Dan there is speculation Fulham wanted more from LFC because the club rather blatantly (even by football standards) tapped up Dempsey. That may or may not be true. I do know Fulham was not happy with Dempsey or LFC. Take that for whatever its worth.

Matt, I agree. If you run the numbers taking into consideration the wages LFC shed and the new kit deal it does not add up. I'm hoping Swiss Ramble does an item on it. Maybe Karl is the sane one and the rest of us wankers are crazy.

edit to add: Dan unless I very much miss my guess the loan fee was a bribe to get Carroll to go to West Ham. I doubt LFC ever actually saw that money. They just save the wages.
   1815. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: August 31, 2012 at 06:33 PM (#4224076)
I'm going to avoid jumping in with the Liverpool freakout. The first 11 looks far superior to last season, almost solely attributable to the massive upgrade in the midfield -- Sahin + Allen compared to the post-Lucas-injury, mix-and-match group that included Spearing, Henderson and others. For all the losses up front, they didn't lose any true first 11 players, although their depth has obviously taken a hit.

On Henry and FSG's finances, I'm not overly concerned yet. Net spend puts Liverpool in the top five this summer -- United, Chelsea and maybe Sunderland are the only ones I can think of immediately (long day at work, I may be missing one or two) who ranked higher.

(Gotta catch a train, apologies for the thrown-together nature of this post.)
   1816. Mefisto Posted: August 31, 2012 at 06:34 PM (#4224078)
Well, I'm sorry to see Dempsey go, but better Spurs than Liverpool from my perspective. I hope he plays well for you guys.
   1817. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: August 31, 2012 at 06:40 PM (#4224082)
On Henry and FSG's finances, I'm not overly concerned yet. Net spend puts Liverpool in the top five this summer -- United, Chelsea and maybe Sunderland are the only ones I can think of immediately (long day at work, I may be missing one or two) who ranked higher.
This is a good point. Assuming the Garcia to City move goes through, Liverpool should be fourth in net spending after Chelsea, City, and United. The overall picture is one of ownership with cash to spend. That makes me a lot less worried about FSG.
   1818. ursus arctos Posted: August 31, 2012 at 06:45 PM (#4224084)
1811, the Man City/Viola swap was agreed earlier in the week and finalized before the Italian window closed. I'm not sure why it was so slow to be reported in England, but it may simply be due to the pi,e of paperwork at the UK end.
   1819. Swedish Chef Posted: August 31, 2012 at 06:45 PM (#4224085)
Sky's experts are optimistic about Joey Barton's time in Marseille:

22:57 BST

Dave Bassett and Iain Dowie have just been asked by Sky how they think J(complete as appropriate) Barton will do at Marseille. "He wouldn't want to step too far out of line over there, that's a tough port area," ventures Dowie. "He'll be dead by Christmas," suggests a snickering Bassett. Golly.


Essien to Real is so silly it has to be true.

It was silly, and it happened!

   1820. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: August 31, 2012 at 06:57 PM (#4224095)
I can't really take in Dempsey to Spurs yet. It seems unreal. It's unfortunate about Moutinho and I guess Dembele will have to sink or swim playing as a deep lying CM. But jeez, Clint wa one of the best players in the world last year and he has the same kind of fire VDV had. Also, this idea Spurs fans have that he has no re-sale value would be true in a world without MLS. In 2 years I'd bet an MLS team will pony up a good chunk of the fee Spurs just paid. I'm flummoxed Liverpool didn't jump since whilr their first 11 is good they are threadbare when it comes to depth.

Sorry for the poor typing. Still on my phone. COYS!
   1821. Spivey Posted: August 31, 2012 at 07:37 PM (#4224108)
I agree with the Dempsey/MLS point. I had actually been thinking about it. If he flops, you know you'd be able to sell him to the MLS as a DP.

I like getting Berbatov, but it's kind of soul crushing that our two best players coming into the year and my two favorite players both left because they didn't want to play at Fulham anymore. It's enough to make me want to be a Man City fan.
   1822. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: August 31, 2012 at 09:11 PM (#4224154)
Yay, I'm home! Time to process everything.

First, obviously, Spurs...Overall, I think this window has been a wash. Losing VDV, King and Modric hurts, but Adebayor is back and I really, really rate Dembele, Sigurdsson and Lloris. Vertonghen is going to be good, I like what I see from Caulker, Naughton and Townsend as returning loanees and there are intriguing young players like Kane, Carroll and Smith to get a run in Cup games. And then there's the unexpected arrival of Mr. Dempsey. I think, talent-wise, it's about the same as last year though it's distributed differently. The wild card, of course, is Villas Boas. Is he better than Harry? He'll need to be.

Now...Liverpool. Before I start hammering Liverpool let me say I actually like the 'Pool. Of the traditional Sky 4, they were always the one I wanted to see do well. Liverpool is a legitimately great club and I harbor no ill will for them. That said, they had a disastrous window. Sahin was a real coup and Allen and Borini are good player but I wonder if it's good value for the 26 million they paid for the pair. The blatant tapping up of Dempsey and then the lowball bid was just embarrassing and it's no wonder Fulham told them to #### off. So they are left with a good first 11 but absolutely no depth. A shocking lack of depth. How do you let Kuyt and Maxi and Bellamy and Carroll go without bringing in more reinforcements? When signing Michael Owen makes sense you have completely screwed the pooch. A very, very bad summer for Liverpool.

I'm also not impressed with Arsenal's summer. Giroud looks too slow for them and Podolski looks fine but not a world beater. Once again they didn't spend the money they received from selling their best players and, worse than that, they are freaking Arsenal, one of the biggest clubs in the world, they should be able to buy the players they need without obsessing over net spend. I think they are still a top 4 club, but they aren't title contenders and I think they could have been.

Man U...an all right window. Kagawa and Van Persie are class but Fergie seems weirdly stubborn about not adding to his midfield. Still, when you add Kagawa and RVP and get Vidic back, that's not a bad summer.

Man City: Nothing spectacular but they added the depth they needed at a couple of positions and signed a real nice prospect for CB. I think they probably kept themselves from sliding back.

Chelsea. Great summer. I'm sure they'll break even soon. And #### them. I think they're a bit weak in the back, though, and judging from the first couple of games, they should have kept Lukaku around. Lukaku is frightening!

Newcastle: Pretty static and I think they needed to add a bit as they scored more points last year than they should have. Too bad they couldn't get Debuchy and I expect them to slip a little though I hope former SC FREIBURG star Cisse scores a million goals.

QPR: Hell, I don't know. Did they do well? That's a lot of good players but I'm not sure how it all fits. It'll be fun to watch them progress.

Crap, this is getting long. Again, I feel guilty about my club raiding Fulham again but it seems like this was a case of Fulham screwing over Liverpool and Spurs were nimble enough to take advantage rather than Spurs raiding Fulham. I will admit I've been a little jealous of Everton and Fulham fans the last few years and am very much looking forward to having Dempsey on my favorite club's side week in and week out. USA! USA! USA!


   1823. Mattbert Posted: August 31, 2012 at 10:05 PM (#4224183)
Also, this idea Spurs fans have that he has no re-sale value would be true in a world without MLS. In 2 years I'd bet an MLS team will pony up a good chunk of the fee Spurs just paid.

That is a very good point, and I am ashamed I didn't think of the MLS angle. Dempsey is a good addition, especially at such a low price. Still wish we'd just kept Rafa, though. For sentimental reasons and because I wanted to see if Villas-Boas would throw him out there as a false nine at some point. But that's why I post on the internet instead of run a football club.

Boy oh boy do I wish they'd worked things out with Moutinho. The link play during defense-to-attack transitions is going to be problematic unless Dembele is the real McCoy and/or Thud finally shakes off the lingering effects of that ankle problem.

Villas-Boas has quite the array of attacking options now. I look forward to some bona fide squad rotation this season. Fingers crossed for the health of Ade and the back four*, though - anything happens to them and we're really in the s**t.

* Adebayor and The Back Four would make a great Motown soul revival band.
   1824. Mattbert Posted: August 31, 2012 at 10:09 PM (#4224185)
there are intriguing young players like Kane, Carroll and Smith to get a run in Cup games.

FTFY. Kane went to Norwich on loan at the eleventh hour.
   1825. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: August 31, 2012 at 10:30 PM (#4224195)
FTFY. Kane went to Norwich on loan at the eleventh hour.

Not cool! You may get to see a false 9 after all, even if it won't be Rafa. I guess I'm ok with Dempsey up top in a pinch.
   1826. J. Sosa Posted: August 31, 2012 at 11:25 PM (#4224214)
Subjective grades for the PL summer transfer window.

Arsenal – F

Out: Bendtner, Park, Song, RVP

In: Cazorla, Podolski, Giroud

Given that this is a subjective grade, I’ll share an anecdote. A friend of mine at work is a big Arsenal fan. Initially he was excited at getting Cazorla, etc, but when the Gooners sold RVP to Man U he looked like someone ran over his dog. He finally brightened somewhat and said “well at least they have all that money from RVP to use.” I told him maybe they had already spent that money. He looked so crestfallen I wished I could have taken it back. And then they lost Song. RVP carried the team on his back last year and Arsenal was fortunate to finish in the top three. I don’t understand why they did not beat out LFC for Sahin, there is no reason they should not have gotten him. If Wilshire does not come back at full strength they are in a world of hurt in the midfield. Cazorla is very good, I don’t think Podolski is going to cut it, and Giroud has not looked very good so far although it is early. RVP and Song were basically Arsenal’s whole offense last year. I don’t see it for Arsenal this time around. I think they finish outside the top 4 and there is no reason for it. None.

Aston Villa - C

Out: Makoun, Collins, Cuellar

In: Benteke, Bennett, Vlaar, Lowton, El Ahmadi, Holman

I do not know much about the incoming players other than Vlaar. The few times I’ve seen him he hasn’t been impressive. For the most part it looks like roster churn to me but Lambert has at times shown an eye for diamonds in the rough. I’m a little concerned for them though, they were not very good last year and I think they are taking a risk by treading water or making a slight improvement.

Chelsea – A

Out: Kalou, Bosingwa, Drogba, Essein

In: Moses, Azpilicueta, Oscar, the Hazard brothers, Marin

Where to start. Geez. It is enough to make me wish Hank Scorpio owned my club. It is like playing a video game. Buy up many of the best young players in the world. Moses is ok, Azpilicueta is good, Oscar is brilliant, Eden is amazing, Thorgan is a Hazard, and Marin is very good (although I have some doubts as to his ability to adjust to the Pl.) With Mata, Torres, etc. this team is going to be a joy to watch. I am envious. They are younger than they have been, but I don’t see any reason they can’t finish in third. At worst fourth barring injuries. Only reason they did not get an A+ is because they have money to burn.

Everton – B+

Out: Rodwell, Cahill

In: Oviedo, Mirallas, Pienaar
Moyes had another good window. Rodwell is decent but not worth anywhere near what he went for. Cahill is cooked. They kept key players. Pienaar plays better for Everton than he does anyone else and I think Mirallas and Oviedo stand a chance to be typical Everton players in punching above their transfer fee. Everton are a dangerous team. If Donovan comes back and they catch some breaks I think they might be able to make a run like Newcastle did last year.

Fulham – D

Out: Dembele, Dempsey

In: Berbatov, Richardson, Rodallega, Petric

Fulham are one of the teams I like the best in the PL and it was sad to see them get ripped apart. Dembele and Dempsey pretty much were Fulham and the guys they brought in I do not think are an adequate replacement. Berbatov’s old, probably on high wages, and hasn’t played much recently. I did not like the acquisition. Richardson is not Dembele. Rodallega is not very good. Petric is ok. I think Fulham went from being a tough out to the lower end of mid table this window. It’s a shame.

Liverpool – D-

Out: Adam, Carroll, Bellamy, Aquilani, Rodriguez, Kuyt

In: Yesil, Sahin, Assaidi, Allen, Borini

The grade is not because of the players they brought in. It is about the overall mismanagement of the club. Allen is a very good player and bringing in Sahin was a miracle if he’s healthy. Those two are the only reason this was not a grade lower than F. Assaidi is a decent player and Borini is a useful player in Rodgers’ system that will probably be a crowd favorite. Yesil is an excellent prospect. The problem is that the club continues to be mismanaged. Despite what people might say, the difference between a club like Liverpool (at the present) and a club like Tottenham is not that one is in London and one is not. The problem is not that one club was more recently in the Champions League and a better prospect to reach the Champions League this season. The problem is that one club employs a man like Dan Levy and that the other club employs a man like Ian *radio edit* Ayre. LFC has behaved like a bunch of clowns under Ayre. The man got them a good shirt sponsorship deal. And? Why is he still in a position of authority? There was the Suarez fiasco, his obnoxious comments about revenue sharing, and now the club loaned out a striker for wage relief and did not bring in a replacement leaving the club with zero strikers. That’s right. I said zero. Suarez is not a 9, he’s a support striker or wide forward. Borini is the same. I understand Carroll doesn’t fit Rodgers’ plans. But that doesn’t change the fact that they have nothing up front. Absolutely nothing. On a club that was anemic on offense already. If Suarez gets hurt we may be talking mid table here. I’m serious. Deadly serious. I know that doesn’t mean much to a supporter of a club in danger of the relegation zone (nor should it) but at a club with LFC’s resources that is a joke. All the talk of net spend is ridiculous. You have to factor in the wage bill. Look at the players they cut off the bill and the players they brought in. Just take a look at it. When you have people like Alan Pardew and Derek Llambias openly mocking your club’s stupidity in public you have serious problems. I’m not going to lie, not getting Dempsey was a crushing blow. He’s my favorite American player and it would have been a joy to watch him play for Liverpool. But they had to go and tap him up and then lowball Fulham on top of it. Fulham was absolutely right to tell them to do one. The fact that he went to Spurs made me sick. As others mentioned, the best part is despite being 29 he’s on a three year contract and will probably bring most of the fee back on a transfer to MLS.I Iike to make fun of LFC supporters as much as anyone, I can’t think of a fanbase more given to histrionics and stupidity on the face of the planet. But this club got taken to the woodshed yet again at the negotiating table and it is time for it to stop. If my rational mind were to look at it, I think this club had no intention of competing this year and is trying to clear the deck for a run in a year or two. If viewed charitably management could be given credit for being willing to weather the storm coming their way (and trust me, it is coming, at least one major LFC site crashed for an extended period of time). They would have certainly been much better served to have done that at the time Carroll was brought in to mute fan reaction. But I ain’t happy. And I ain’t the only one. Maybe Drogba will ride up in shining armor.

Manchester City – D+

Out: Savic, Santa Cruz, Axe Murderer, Boyata, Johnson, Adebayor

In: Nastasic, Sinclair, Maicon, Rodwell, Javi Garcia

Did not like this window for City. I think Mancini is done after this year. Looking at his club you can understand why his teams struggle in Europe. Garcia saves it somewhat (I’m not that familiar with Nastasic, Ursos would have to comment on that) but it seems like City is stuck in a similar position to some of the Chelsea teams of the past (although City is not as good). They can’t seem to decide if they are going to bring in good young players or go with guys who are currently good or used to be good. They paid an awful lot of money for people to make the domestic numbers in Rodwell and Sinclair. Maicon is pretty toasty. For the money they spent they did not get much in return. The team lacks creativity and pace. I’m not sure they repeat this year and I predict an early exit in the Champions League.

Manchester United – A-

Out: Berbatov, Park

In: RVP, Kagawa

An unusual window for SAF. I think he is feeling his age. Bringing in RVP is out of character. The grade is mainly for Kagawa, who is awesome. I hated that he went to Man U. Setting aside age and the transfer fee, bringing in RVP is not shabby either. Man U has serious problems at the back, but I don’t think City got much better if at all and I think this Man U team is stronger than it was last year. Park is pretty cooked and Berbatov was out of the picture. I think Rooney may meet an early career demise and that might be why SAF ponied up for RVP. (That and PSG poaching transfer targets.)

Newcastle – B

Out: Forster, Best, Guthrie

In: Anita, Amalfitano

Keeping their key players was no small feat. I was sure that Tiote and Cabaye would be on the way out at a minimum. Anita was a nice pickup. It sounds churlish to complain after they kept a talented team together, but they really needed to bring in talent to maintain a place towards the top of the table. Last season was fluky and they are due for a regression. I think Newcastle is probably due for one of the bigger regressions in the league this year. But still, they kept players that other clubs would have been very happy to sign. As has been the case of late, a good window, but one that left me wishing they had done more. They have to stay healthy. A few injuries and it could go pear shaped in a hurry. They are good though and even with regression I think they have a good chance to qualify for the Europa again.

Norwich City – C+

Out: No one of note.

In: Tettey, Bassong, Turner, Snodgrass, Whittaker

The C is for trying to get better. I’m not sold on the people they brought in. Turner is like using a blow torch to put out a gasoline fire. They knew their defense was a problem, but I don’t think it is fixed. It might be even leakier. They might go down this year. I hope not but they overachieved last year and although Hughton is cromulent he’s not Lambert. I like the Canaries, I hope they make it, but I think they could be in trouble.

QPR – B+

Out: Bothroyd, The Poet, Reason, Common Sense, Sanity

In: Mbia, Granero, Cesar, Bosingwa, Hoilette, Park, Fabio, Diakite, Johnson, Nelsen, Green

The B is for bringing it Dodgers style. Let’s hope it is not Pompey style. It would be hypocritical of me to criticize given that I praised them last year for going all out to try to stick the landing after being promoted. But jeez… The thing is many of the players they bought are good. Which means they must have paid outrageous wages to get them to sign. Pompey bought a bunch of good players too. On paper this team should not be relegation fodder. But it is the team of Hughes’ dreams. That’s not a good thing. This could end very, very badly. I fully expect a fire sale, perhaps as soon as next summer. Maybe it will turn out differently, I hope so. I like clubs that throw caution to the wind.

Reading – D

Out: No one of note.

In: Mariappa, Gunter, Shorey, Guthrie, Pogrebynak

This team is nostalgic. It looks like what it is. A team coming off promotion. It also looks like my early favorite to make the drop. There isn’t much here. Pogrebynak was a good signing and helps some, but there isn’t much else. Guthrie isn’t very good. Shorey isn’t very good. I think it is probably one and done for Reading which is a shame as they are a well-run club, but I can’t drum up too much sympathy as they have not done much to strengthen. We can’t all be QPR. The truest maxim in football remains: Evil always wins.
   1827. J. Sosa Posted: August 31, 2012 at 11:25 PM (#4224215)
Southampton – B

Out: Sharp

In: Ramirez, Yoshida, Mayuka, Clyne, Davis, Rodriguez

Another club coming off promotion trying to get their foot in the door. It is the right strategy. It is a competitive sport and the reward of staying up is worth some risk. If a club gets relegated there is no guarantee they will make it back. The goal should be to stay up the first two or three seasons and build from there. The club made some interesting signings. Opinions are mixed on Gaston Ramirez. I’ve watched him play a little, and my personal opinion is if you play for Uruguay you are probably a good player. That is a lot of money for a promoted team to spend though. Clyne is a good prospect. Davis may be out of his depth but it was worth a shot. Overall they did a lot to help themselves.

Stoke City – A-

Out: No one of note.

In: Charlie Adam, Maurice Edu, Kightly, Cameron, Ness.

Picked the bones of a few clubs. Stoke City have become a guilty pleasure for me, and that was before they brought in a couple of Americans. Stoke City embraces what it is. I get the impression its gotten to the point the club’s supporters would actually be angry if they played a different style. They have become infamous enough that the greatest insult you can give to a team in other countries is that they “play like Stoke”. I respect that. They are a middling club that has managed an FA Cup final, a decent run in the Europa League, and stability in the PL. Good on ‘em. Charlie Adam was born to play for Stoke. He’s dirty, slow, and tough as nails. He was criminally misused at LFC. He needs a caddy to run for him and a position where he’s further up the pitch. Maybe Edu will serve as Adam’s legs. Stoke has gotten even nastier. Throw in the dogs of war at the back and there is not a team in the league that wants any part of Stoke.

Sunderland – B+

Out: Richardson, Turner

In: Rose, Fletcher, Johnson, Saha, Cuellar

Martin O’Neill do what Martin O’Neill do. Sunderland have a chance to reach heady heights for their club. They will also likely find their club reduced to rubble in a few years. Rose is a good prospect. Fletcher was overpaid but he’s a decent source of goals. Johnson is very talented but he makes Andy Carroll look like a tee totaller. Saha is Saha. Again, I don’t fault clubs for going for it. It’s a competitive sport. They are trying to win and I give them credit for it. I place the over under on cratering at 3 seasons.

Swansea- A+

Out: Sinclair, Allen, a couple of key loanees

In: Hernandez, Ki, Schechter, Michu, Chico, Guzman

The smartest team in the league and perhaps the team I respect the most in the entire PL. Allen was a key player for them but the amount of talent they brought in with the money they got out of he and Sinclair is astounding. Hernandez is a top tier player. He’s very good. If you had told me a year or two ago that players from top Spanish teams would be going to Wales to play ball I’d have laughed in your face. It’s a sad commentary on the state of Spanish football clubs, but it is also a truly amazing achievement on Swansea’s part. Ki is a good player and as everyone has seen Michu is a monster. Swansea fans should be having the time of their lives. I don’t know that it will ever get any better than it is right now.

Tottenham – A+

Out: Van Der Vaart, dos Santos, Modric, Bassong, Saha, Pienaar, King, Kranjcar, Nelsen

In: Lloris, Dempsey, Dembele, Adebayor, Vertonghen, Sigurdsson

If there are any Spurs fans anywhere that don’t rate Dan Levy they should be excommunicated from the fanbase and left to the elements. I thought Spurs had the best window out of the big clubs when taking resources and circumstances into account. Missing out on Champions League did hurt them, but not as much as it should have. Lloris is good (if in my opinion somewhat overrated) and is the type of face and player I think could grow to be an iconic image for the club. I don’t think the price paid was a big bargain, it is just that players of that nature (Lloris was one of the names most associated with Lyon) are not available very often. Dembele is very good. Adebayor is good. Vertonghen was a very nice signing. Sigurdsson broke my heart in not signing for Liverpool. That they were even rumoured to be close to getting Moutinho is absurd. That would have been ridiculous. As discussed earlier Dempsey was the capper. That hurt. I know Van der Vaart was the binkie of a number of fans on this board, but Dempsey is a better player. Van der Vaart is a luxury player and was sold for about twice what the club paid for Dempsey and probably made a lot more money. Van der Vaart was rarely fit and needs a caddy. Dempsey isn’t as slick a passer but he’s better at just about everything else. The starting 11 is very good. I don’t think AVB will run the club into the ground like ‘Arry did. Spurs are pretty scary. They have a real opportunity if AVB doesn’t mismanage what he’s got. I think Spurs are probably no worse than the fourth best team in the league at the moment, and if pushed I might say third. If Man U and City stumble even a little Spurs could be nipping at their heels. Barring managerial incompetence (which I don’t rule out, I really did not like how AVB handled his business at Chelsea) Spurs will return to the Champions League.

West Brom – C+

Out: Cox, Shorey

In: Popov, Lukaku, Rosenberg

West Brom have a solid club. They improved the squad although I would have liked to see them do more. Lukaku is a monster and I think he will feature more as the season goes on. Clarke is a solid manager I think and the Baggies should be upper mid table with a chance for more if things break their way. A well managed club, I would like to see them do well.

West Ham – A

Out: No one of note.

In: Carroll, Jarvis, Diarra, Collins, Maiga, Diame

The Hammers have been pretty abject so far but they went for it. Pairing Carroll with Jarvis and Nolan is shrewd. As I’ve said before Carroll and Nolan are easy to make fun of, but they also scored goals. Big Sam is Big Sam. They will not achieve much, but I can’t see them going down either. For all his faults Allardyce would not have seen Blackburn relegated I don’t think. Hammers fans may want to cover their eyes at points, but I think Carroll and Nolan will beer league the team to a position safely out of the relegation zone.

Wigan –C+

Out: Moses

In: Kone, Ramis

I’ve given up touting Wigan for the drop. On paper they should be in for another relegation fight, but they were another club that raided La Liga. I think they are a better team than they were last year but are still one of the more marginally talented teams in the league. I’m done picking against them though. At the very least Reading should finish below them. After that some teams will screw up. Things always seem to break Wigan’s way in the end.
   1828. Mefisto Posted: August 31, 2012 at 11:48 PM (#4224222)
I don't hold it against Spurs that they went after Dempsey and Dembele. Both obviously wanted out. I'll even root for them to do well for Spurs.
   1829. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: August 31, 2012 at 11:50 PM (#4224224)
Well, sheeeeeeit, I'm gonna have to go ahead and give you a +1 Internets for *that* effort, J. Sosa ...
   1830. Spivey Posted: August 31, 2012 at 11:53 PM (#4224228)
It's a shame, because I think Fulham could have competed with Tottenham, even if Tottenham kept VdV (not sure about Modric, but I'm not ruling it out).

Fulham's team plus Berbatov I think would have been a Top 4 side. I really think everything lined up this year and the guys just didn't want to see it through. Which it's tough to blame them for, because the entire culture of soccer is that you have no loyalty and try to constantly go to a better team instead of trying to bring your team up.

There are many other reasons why Barcelona are who they are, but I think that ability to have the cohesiveness because they're the king of the hill is important.
   1831. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: August 31, 2012 at 11:57 PM (#4224229)
Wow, that's great stuff right there. Thanks for that.

The thing that strikes me are the consistencies between LFC and the Red Sox. Henry seems to have the same issues in each place right down to the egomaniac running things instead of someone who knows what he's doing.

I'm with you on Stoke, they are oddly engrossing. They aren't truly fun to watch but I can't help but root for them. I think Pulis is an exceptional manager based on the way he gets 100% buy in from everyone associated with the squad.
   1832. Spivey Posted: September 01, 2012 at 12:09 AM (#4224233)
Did Johnny Two Saints get sold for anything worthwhile? If we're talking about wingers that can't really do jack #### other than occassionally attack the goal, I rate him much higher than Damien ####### Duff.
   1833. Mattbert Posted: September 01, 2012 at 12:17 AM (#4224235)
Fee was officially undisclosed, Spivey, but a couple places today had it at around a cool million quid.
   1834. Flynn Posted: September 01, 2012 at 12:39 AM (#4224243)
The worst thing about Arsenal's transfer window is that even the pointless manager's email members get after games promised signings after Song went and AND IT NEVER ####### HAPPENED.

They already don't sell out games anymore. If they finish 5th this year they will be trying to shift 10,000 tickets a game because people have had it with the penny-pinching. Stop blaming the stadium.
   1835. FancyPantsHandle glistening with foreign substance Posted: September 01, 2012 at 12:51 AM (#4224249)
Well, sheeeeeeit, I'm gonna have to go ahead and give you a +1 Internets for *that* effort, J. Sosa ...

Agreed. +1 for effort. I mean I disagree with about 80% of the actual content, but definitely +1 for effort...
   1836. Mattbert Posted: September 01, 2012 at 01:03 AM (#4224255)
GK: Lloris, Friedel, Cudicini, Gomes
DF: Walker, Naughton, Kaboul, Vertonghen, Gallas, Dawson, Assou-Ekotto (Caulker, Smith)
MF: Lennon, Parker, Sandro, Livermore, Jenas, Huddlestone, Dembele, Sigurdsson, Bentley, Falque (Townsend, Carroll)
FW: Adebayor, Defoe, Dempsey, Bale

Give or take a player or two, that's the 25-man for Tottenham. Even with some obvious, let's say, "inefficiencies" that's a squad that should be the favorite to finish fourth again I would think. It would be a title-challenging squad if they'd managed to dump Bentley and two of the non-Lloris keepers and filled those three roster spots with Moutinho, Remy, and Kjaer. That would have required a net spend of about £50M though, and I don't think Spurs were willing to do that in this window. Not after being heavily rumored to have loosened the restrictions on the club's wage structure, anyway.

With a fully healthy squad, the two main weaknesses (besides the silliness of carrying four senior goalkeepers) are the lack of: (1) a dynamic passer in midfield who can retain and circulate possession in tight quarters (i.e. Modric replacement) and (2) proper cover for Adebayor at the center forward position.

Spurs were hot after Moutinho to address (1) but may be able to get by with Dembele and Sigurdsson supported by a holder in the midfield three. Alejandro Faurlin might have been a decent fallback option, but it seems like Levy genuinely thought he could get a deal done for Moutinho. (And he would have gotten away with it too, if it hadn't been for those meddling kids third party player ownership vultures!) Oh well. Frustrating, but not crippling.

Center forward is potentially more problematic because Spurs don't have anyone who can be reasonably counted on to come even close to consistently replicating what Adebayor offers. Loic Remy really was such a good fit for this squad. If they can get him in January for a reasonable fee, they should do it.

With Kaboul out for half the season (at best), keeping the defense healthy and fresh is going to be a tightrope act for Villas-Boas and his staff. Caulker will need to step up and showcase what he learned at Swansea because it's virtually guaranteed that Gallas and/or Dawson will also miss time as a result of fitness issues. Another significant CB injury or Adebayor going down for a while are the two things that could really scupper the season.

Looking forward to tomorrow's game. Bedtime.
   1837. Juan V Posted: September 01, 2012 at 05:21 AM (#4224287)
Hell of an effort by J.Sosa. Having not paid much attention lately, how did things get so bad at Liverpool? I do think they managed some clever pick-ups.
   1838. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: September 01, 2012 at 07:20 AM (#4224289)
Did Johnny Two Saints get sold for anything worthwhile? If we're talking about wingers that can't really do jack #### other than occassionally attack the goal, I rate him much higher than Damien ####### Duff.

Fee was officially undisclosed, Spivey, but a couple places today had it at around a cool million quid.
They paid about a million, reportedly. but they only got "50 percent of Gio's overall rights." (See quote from Mallorca director of football at goal.com). It's a sweet little bit of business - if Dos Santos develops into a player, Spurs get 50% of the next transfer fee.
   1839. Neutral Milk Dotel (Dan Lee) Posted: September 01, 2012 at 07:22 AM (#4224290)
GK: Lloris, Friedel, Cudicini, Gomes
Sweet merciful crap, I know Friedel and Cudicini have about 80 years between them, but this is an insane amount of talent to have at a position where only one guy can play and he'll almost never be injured or fatigued.
   1840. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: September 01, 2012 at 07:41 AM (#4224292)
I love the smirk on Big Sam's face when he touts Andy Carroll as a 35 million pound striker.

Sweet merciful crap, I know Friedel and Cudicini have about 80 years between them, but this is an insane amount of talent to have at a position where only one guy can play and he'll almost never be injured or fatigued.

Meh. Gomes is hurt and will be shipped out in January. Friedel and Cudicini are at the stage of their careers where I think they are ok with being backups. Buying Lloris was a slam dunk.
   1841. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: September 01, 2012 at 07:44 AM (#4224294)
Center forward is potentially more problematic because Spurs don't have anyone who can be reasonably counted on to come even close to consistently replicating what Adebayor offers. Loic Remy really was such a good fit for this squad. If they can get him in January for a reasonable fee, they should do it.
This was one of my questions during the window. Spurs obviously have a lot of risk built into their roster with Adebayor as the only true striker. At the same time, they don't seem likely to play two strikers. So the relevant question then, is whether striker depth is the best value for £10-15M plus significant wages. Spurs instead went for more tactically flexible players - Dembele, Sigurdsson, and Dempsey can cover a wide variety of positions in midfield, and Dempsey can fake it at striker if needed. (Dempsey/Defoe is an interesting option as a backup strike force.) These players give you cover at a bunch more starting positions, and give you tactical flexibility in the case of unexpected injury or ineffectiveness from pretty much anyone else in midfield.

But they're kind of screwed if Adebayor goes down. And I've been assuming that AVB wants to compete in the Europa League, but they obviously can't be playing Adebayor 180 minutes a week this winter. Should they have spent the Lloris money on a striker instead? If there was another £20M to spend - if the Moutinho rumors were based in reality - should they have focused instead on a striker? I don't really know.

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Props to Jorge as well. I think the main thing I disagree with is Arsenal's F. I was surprised they didn't spend their £10M profit on an upgrade for the defense (whether the back line or in midfield), but I think it's a pretty huge overreaction to two draws against teams that came in playing for 0-0 to think that this team is lacking in attack. It's not clear how all the pieces fit together, but I am not going to bet against Arsene Wenger figuring how to best deploy a deep and talented array of attacking players. I want to say that Spurs are #4 right now, but I think I'd probably bet on Arsenal over them.

I'm still not sure what I think of Chelsea. Hazard looks like an immediate superstar, which papers over a lot of deficiencies, but it's not clear to me how that roster all fits together. They're putting a lot of eggs in the Jon Obi Mikel is really good and protects our back line for 50 games basket, and Juan Mata has seemed a lot less dangerous when asked to drop into a deeper creative position. I'm probably wishcasting a bit because of my recently discovered sports-hate for CSKA London (because their owner, he's a Russian!) but I'm not inking them into the top two or three just yet.
   1842. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: September 01, 2012 at 07:46 AM (#4224295)
And Fulham's week gets instantly worse. Jeez.
   1843. Neutral Milk Dotel (Dan Lee) Posted: September 01, 2012 at 08:00 AM (#4224297)
Gomes is hurt and will be shipped out in January. Friedel and Cudicini are at the stage of their careers where I think they are ok with being backups. Buying Lloris was a slam dunk.
Oh, yeah, totally. It was the right move to make - if you don't do it and Friedel and Cudicini retire at the end of the year, which is entirely possible, then you've got huge problems in '13-'14.

I guess I'm sort of surprised they didn't move one of the codgers, particularly Cudicini. He's still good enough (one would assume) to play at a fairly high level, he's got some value, and he doesn't have much time left. I guess maybe he was okay with cashing his check and sitting around.

And I can't really blame him for that - my dream job is to get paid gobs of money and have absolutely no responsibility.
   1844. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: September 01, 2012 at 08:02 AM (#4224298)
And Fulham's week gets instantly worse. Jeez.
And mine better! I was barely even awake when the goal scored.
   1845. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: September 01, 2012 at 08:05 AM (#4224299)
Carroll looks really good, so far, too. Nolan and Vaz Te and seem to be really enjoying playing off him.
   1846. Neutral Milk Dotel (Dan Lee) Posted: September 01, 2012 at 08:19 AM (#4224307)
Right around now is the time West Ham fans should start chanting "Are you watching Dempsey?" at Schwarzer.
   1847. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: September 01, 2012 at 08:26 AM (#4224308)
Oof, this is brutal.
   1848. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: September 01, 2012 at 08:29 AM (#4224310)
Looks like Fulham will need to retool during the International Break. I guess losing to Wednesday wasn't just a Cup mirage.
   1849. Spivey Posted: September 01, 2012 at 08:55 AM (#4224313)
I think it's safe to assume what I think about the game this morning.

And I'm seriously questioning my decision to continue rooting for Fulham in anything beyond a glancing at the scores way.
   1850. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: September 01, 2012 at 08:55 AM (#4224314)
Fulham are being completely dominated. Part of that is Fulham playing badly but West Ham are playing extremely well.
   1851. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: September 01, 2012 at 09:00 AM (#4224316)
And I'm seriously questioning my decision to continue rooting for Fulham in anything beyond a glancing at the scores way.

Don't give up on them. They looked great the first 2 games and now they'll get a break from the transfer madness now and Jol can go to work. This is a bad one, but it's just one game--they had stinkers like this last year with Dembele and Dempsey in good form.
   1852. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: September 01, 2012 at 09:01 AM (#4224317)
OK gents. I'll be heading to Kinsale's in a half hour or so. I'm wearing my Partick Thistle shirt--dark blue with white trim--if anyone is looking out for me.
   1853. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: September 01, 2012 at 09:09 AM (#4224320)
Uh oh. I think Hangeland just broke Andy Carroll.
   1854. I am going to be Frank Posted: September 01, 2012 at 09:10 AM (#4224321)
and Carroll may have done something to his hamstring.
   1855. President of the David Eckstein Fan Club Posted: September 01, 2012 at 09:11 AM (#4224322)
Hope Carroll isn't too badly hurt.

How was that not a foul on Hangeland, by the way? Looked like he made no real attempt to play the ball and was just trying to obstruct/take out Carroll. (Or did they call it when I went to get a drink?)
   1856. I am going to be Frank Posted: September 01, 2012 at 09:16 AM (#4224323)
I woke up to see Fulham down 3-0 but its going to be such a joy to watch Berbatov play on a regular basis now.
   1857. Mattbert Posted: September 01, 2012 at 09:26 AM (#4224329)
Spurs obviously have a lot of risk built into their roster with Adebayor as the only true striker. At the same time, they don't seem likely to play two strikers. So the relevant question then, is whether striker depth is the best value for £10-15M plus significant wages. Spurs instead went for more tactically flexible players - Dembele, Sigurdsson, and Dempsey can cover a wide variety of positions in midfield, and Dempsey can fake it at striker if needed. (Dempsey/Defoe is an interesting option as a backup strike force.) These players give you cover at a bunch more starting positions, and give you tactical flexibility in the case of unexpected injury or ineffectiveness from pretty much anyone else in midfield.

You've just articulated why I wanted them to get Remy. He's primarily a central striker, but he has the pace and dribbling ability to play as a wing forward too (usually on the right of a front three). Remy could play with Adebayor or instead of Adebayor. That's what Spurs needed: a quick, left-footed forward who can play on the right and who's also enough of a physical presence to play through the middle.
   1858. Swedish Chef Posted: September 01, 2012 at 09:48 AM (#4224336)
In the twisted world of Scottish football top Premier League club Hearts is unable to resist an offer from Third Division Rangers for their Anfield scorer David Templeton. I suppose the club can just take the money and pretend the player went abroad in a non-humiliating manner, but why would the player go down there?
   1859. DA Baracus is gritty and hits with RISP Posted: September 01, 2012 at 09:58 AM (#4224342)
In 2 years I'd bet an MLS team will pony up a good chunk of the fee Spurs just paid


This is really wishful thinking by the Spurs Think Factory. MLS rarely pays transfer fees, big name imports come mainly via free transfers. I can not see them paying near the ballpark of $5M for anybody two years from now.
   1860. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: September 01, 2012 at 10:12 AM (#4224349)
In the twisted world of Scottish football top Premier League club Hearts is unable to resist an offer from Third Division Rangers for their Anfield scorer David Templeton. I suppose the club can just take the money and pretend the player went abroad in a non-humiliating manner, but why would the player go down there?


If they've got the money for a transfer fee presumably they have the money to pay Templeton handsomely. When the inexplicable happens, money is often the answer.
   1861. Swedish Chef Posted: September 01, 2012 at 10:14 AM (#4224350)
This is really wishful thinking by the Spurs Think Factory. MLS rarely pays transfer fees, big name imports come mainly via free transfers. I can not see them paying near the ballpark of $5M for anybody two years from now.

Humor them, it seems that the P/L on transfer fees are vitally important for Spurs fans' mental balance. And never, ever mention the TCO to them.
   1862. Textbook Editor Posted: September 01, 2012 at 11:02 AM (#4224365)
If Dempsey is on a short contract, why wouldn't he have some sell-on value in, say, two years? They might not get all of the fee back, but they might get half of it... And if he's not on high wages I think it's still a good bit of business.
   1863. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: September 01, 2012 at 11:16 AM (#4224373)
Entertaining little match going between Swansea and Sunderland (horriblerrific ankle injury aside).

Maybe Swansea will be my next FM challenge ...
   1864. Swedish Chef Posted: September 01, 2012 at 11:16 AM (#4224374)
Lyon's goalie that isn't Lloris lets in 0-1 on a howler on a corner after 12 minutes. It's going to be long months until the next transfer window for the Lyon fans.
   1865. Swedish Chef Posted: September 01, 2012 at 11:21 AM (#4224377)
Lyon now leads 2-1, Valciennes goalie is hardly better.
   1866. Arnett Mead (Arjun) Posted: September 01, 2012 at 11:25 AM (#4224380)
Shane Long scores on a cross from Odemwingie after Fellaini misses something of a sitter on the other end.
   1867. Textbook Editor Posted: September 01, 2012 at 11:44 AM (#4224389)
And... Crap.
   1868. Swedish Chef Posted: September 01, 2012 at 11:46 AM (#4224390)
Guardian liveblog:

4.44pm "Found a stream, watching online," says Peter Crosby. "Wonderful moment in the Spurs game as Norwich denied a clear penalty as BAE dragged down Morison by the shirt. Spanish commentators go mad: 'En Chile, en Peru, en Bolivia es un penal!!! En Argentina, En Brasil, en Colombia, es un penal clarissimo!!!!!!!! En todo el Sud Americo!!!! En todo el mundo!!! Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Hhhhhhhalsey!!!!'

Are you sure you're not watching The Fast Show?
   1869. Textbook Editor Posted: September 01, 2012 at 11:48 AM (#4224391)
Harsh red but that will be called on you if you do that. Just ####### brilliant.
   1870. Swedish Chef Posted: September 01, 2012 at 11:51 AM (#4224393)
I thought Huddlestone went out on loan somewhere. Apparently not.
   1871. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: September 01, 2012 at 11:54 AM (#4224395)
Norwich unlucky not to get all three there.
   1872. Mattbert Posted: September 01, 2012 at 11:58 AM (#4224400)
Mark Halsey is a very nice man, but he simply isn't fit enough to referee at this level any more. Some appalling decisions today, both ways.
   1873. Arnett Mead (Arjun) Posted: September 01, 2012 at 12:07 PM (#4224404)
In USWNT news, Pia Sundhage is stepping down as head coach.

Other news: the semifinals of the U20 women's world cup in Japan are Nigeria-USA and Germany-Japan, Germany being the favorites at this point.
   1874. Textbook Editor Posted: September 01, 2012 at 12:13 PM (#4224411)
So... At what point is AVB's job in danger? Because I imagine the death watch is well underway in some circles...
   1875. Swedish Chef Posted: September 01, 2012 at 12:24 PM (#4224420)
So... At what point is AVB's job in danger?

Losing points against Villa would be just cause for a firing.
   1876. FancyPantsHandle glistening with foreign substance Posted: September 01, 2012 at 12:28 PM (#4224427)
So... At what point is AVB's job in danger? Because I imagine the death watch is well underway in some circles...

What are you talking about? Spurs had the best transfer window of any team in the PL, and are favourites to finish in the top 4!

I read that on the internet, so it must be true!
   1877. Borussia, Du bist so wunderschön! (Mark Edward) Posted: September 01, 2012 at 12:46 PM (#4224439)
The Dortmund game was kinda uneventful. I guess getting a point in Nuremburg is nice.
Drinking 5 Tennants before noon is never a good idea. Ugh what a horrible ####### beer.
   1878. Swedish Chef Posted: September 01, 2012 at 12:47 PM (#4224440)
Lyon's goalie that isn't Lloris did his best to facilitate an equalizer for Valenciennes but failed. Not instilling much confidence so far.
   1879. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: September 01, 2012 at 12:47 PM (#4224441)
What's the reason QPR's fan section (lower bowl, at least) is restricted to about a third of the actual seating capacity? Were there shenanigans during last year's finale?
   1880. Swedish Chef Posted: September 01, 2012 at 12:48 PM (#4224442)
Drinking 5 Tennants before noon is never a good idea

Some people call that breakfast.
   1881. Swedish Chef Posted: September 01, 2012 at 12:52 PM (#4224445)
What's the reason QPR's fan section (lower bowl, at least) is restricted to about a third of the actual seating capacity? Were there shenanigans during last year's finale?

Are they really restricted and not just a lack of traveling support?
   1882. Borussia, Du bist so wunderschön! (Mark Edward) Posted: September 01, 2012 at 12:58 PM (#4224456)
C'mon QPR, put up some sort of a fight. I need a reason to laught at all the Man City supporters around me.
Seriously, one guy told me he liked Man City because of Oasis. Lol wut?
   1883. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: September 01, 2012 at 12:59 PM (#4224458)
You could be right about that, Chef. I just figured a game at City would draw a pretty hefty travelling crowd.
   1884. Textbook Editor Posted: September 01, 2012 at 01:14 PM (#4224471)
FWIW, i was being facetious in #1874; I just figured this would be the main storyline coming out of a 2nd successive home draw: the "When will AVB get fired?" story. The Fox Soccer postgame crew seemed to be starting up the "the players don't know what he wants/what his system is" angle all over again, though in fairness I was only half-paying attention to it.

Youngsters getting their comeuppance seems to be a favorite storyline in the British press.
   1885. Borussia, Du bist so wunderschön! (Mark Edward) Posted: September 01, 2012 at 01:46 PM (#4224493)
Lol ###### QPR
   1886. frannyzoo Posted: September 01, 2012 at 01:47 PM (#4224495)
That Zamora goal, bandage included, will become the dictionary photograph next to the entry for "against the run of play."
   1887. Borussia, Du bist so wunderschön! (Mark Edward) Posted: September 01, 2012 at 01:49 PM (#4224497)
Ah nevermind
   1888. frannyzoo Posted: September 01, 2012 at 01:56 PM (#4224505)
Evidently, Hoffenheim's Sejad Salihovic came on a sub in the 66th and collected two yellows to make a red by the 70th. Well done, Sejad!
   1889. frannyzoo Posted: September 01, 2012 at 03:05 PM (#4224556)
Pazzini is rewarded for his "shot by a sniper" act in another ridiculous Serie A penalty. I don't know how much Italian football I can stand watching this season.
   1890. Arnett Mead (Arjun) Posted: September 01, 2012 at 03:07 PM (#4224557)
US go up 1-0, Rapinoe free kick, deflected off the wall and then the crossbar. The Costa Rican goalie has been pretty good today, actually, with a couple of nice saves so far.
   1891. Arnett Mead (Arjun) Posted: September 01, 2012 at 03:41 PM (#4224593)
Tremendously unsurprising score of 5-0 at the half, even though the US never really left third gear. It might also be the only 5-0 game where the opposing goalkeeper (save perhaps the last allowed goal) was the best player on the pitch.
   1892. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: September 01, 2012 at 05:40 PM (#4224657)
Clearly it's time to PANIC!!!! AVB OUT!

Naw, I'm weirdly relaxed about it all. Can't wait to see Dembele start games.

Mixed day overall for Shooty FC. Freiburg lost on the road but I don't expect them to win often away from Boris Badenova stadium. Torino looked sensational today even accounting for Pescara going a man down. Every ball they sent into the box seemed to create a good chance. They just bossed that game which is good news as they'll need to beat teams like Pescara at home to achieve il salvezza. Also, Partick won big again and continue to sit atop the table.
   1893. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: September 01, 2012 at 05:52 PM (#4224662)
I was browsing some scores from today and Malaga won 1-0 off a goal from a player apparently named 'Nacho Camacho'. I'm assuming the 'nacho' part is a nickname, but still...awesome.
   1894. ursus arctos Posted: September 01, 2012 at 07:14 PM (#4224699)
His first name is Ignacio, so close enough.
   1895. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: September 01, 2012 at 07:50 PM (#4224718)
Clearly it's time to PANIC!!!! AVB OUT!
Warren Barton, is that you?
   1896. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: September 01, 2012 at 08:21 PM (#4224730)
His first name is Ignacio, so close enough.


My middle name. My best friend has always felt that if I were good enough to be a professional soccer player that I would have had to have gone by "Ignacio", just the one name. Alas, I'm a little fat guy better suited to being an accountant.
   1897. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: September 01, 2012 at 08:49 PM (#4224754)
Alas, I'm a little fat guy better suited to being an accountant.
Neville Southall, is that you?
   1898. Mattbert Posted: September 01, 2012 at 09:40 PM (#4224795)
Re: #1884, Barton and Wynalda seem to have a major hardon for Villas-Boas. I don't know whether he pulled a Brave John Terry with their WAGs or what, but they were just about openly rooting for Levy to sack the guy tomorrow. It's probably as simple as their glee at having something "interesting" to talk about that requires no actual thought or technical analysis manifesting itself on air as unfettered schadenfreude. Or maybe AVB really did shag their birds. His hair is irresistable, after all.

My take is that Villas-Boas learned from his time at Chelsea, but he may have taken some of those lessons onboard incorrectly. I feel like maybe he's showing a little too much deference to the Spurs old guard (such as it is) and bending over backwards to give playing time to the likes of Gallas, Defoe, et al even though their performances might not merit it. Early doors, though. The teams he's put out have been good enough to win every game, but the players haven't executed very well thusfar. I can also understand that he's reluctant to throw too many new players into the team until he's had them all in training for a bit.
   1899. Swedish Chef Posted: September 02, 2012 at 06:52 AM (#4224947)
   1900. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: September 02, 2012 at 08:56 AM (#4224972)
Moutinho transfer failed due to botched paperwork

D'oh!

Those 3rd party ownership deals never seem to happen for Spurs--you have to do a Chelsea-like deluge of cash to get everyone to agree quickly. Anyway, the transfer window is over and time to worry about the team at hand. There's a lot of guys on the team I like--Sigurdsson, Dembele, Dempsey, Lennon, Sandro, etc. so I hope Villas Boas can make it work. Hopefully afer the break they can run this out there and see if it makes a difference:

Lloris (though Friedel was great yesterday)
Walker Vertonghen Gallas BAE
Sandro Dembele
Dempsey Sigurdsson Bale
Adebayor

Despite early results, how can I not be optimistic about that team? I should just quit watching them if that lineup doesn't make me hopeful.

And I'm hoping for a 0-0 score this morning just for the statistical oddity of it. I wonder if any other team in the top flight has started the season with three nil-nil games?

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