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Tuesday, July 31, 2012

OT: The Soccer Thread: August 2012

Welcome to August! Notable Events:

Olympic Women’s Gold Medal Game: August 9
Olympic Men’s Gold Medal Game: August 11

(Both will be aired by NBC on or about August 15)

EPL Kick-Off: August 18
La Liga Kick-Off: August 19
Seria A Kick-Off: August 25

Let the excitement begin!

RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: July 31, 2012 at 10:35 AM | 1942 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   901. JuanGone..except1game Posted: August 20, 2012 at 10:52 AM (#4212454)
I'm a half hour into the Liverpool game and they don't look too bad. Suarez has been menacing the whole time. They might be giving WBA too much time on the ball, is all. I'm guessing it's close to going all downhill?


Yes he's menacing, but my god that man must have spacial issues when it comes to goal posts. In the second not only did he sky a ball about 8 feet from goal as if he was kicking a FG, but had one of the most akward point blank header misses that I've ever seen. I'm glad to know that God hates him as much as I do.
   902. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: August 20, 2012 at 10:54 AM (#4212456)
Yes he's menacing, but my god that man must have spacial issues when it comes to goal posts. In the second not only did he sky a ball about 8 feet from goal as if he was kicking a FG, but had one of the most akward point blank header misses that I've ever seen. I'm glad to know that God hates him as much as I do.

He misses sitters so consistently it's hard to write it off as a fluke. Maybe he just gets too geeked up sometimes? I don't know how to explain it.
   903. jmurph Posted: August 20, 2012 at 11:42 AM (#4212485)
but it wasn't as dire a performance as it's been made out. Liverpool had 3 problems


I think for sane people this is true, but for Liverpool fans who convinced themselves this team was ready to compete for a Champions League place, Saturday was probably pretty disappointing.
   904. I am going to be Frank Posted: August 20, 2012 at 11:42 AM (#4212486)
Well they let Bellamy go.
   905. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: August 20, 2012 at 11:47 AM (#4212489)
I think for sane people this is true, but for Liverpool fans who convinced themselves this team was ready to compete for a Champions League place, Saturday was probably pretty disappointing.

Well, Skrtel signed and extension today, so that's some good news for them.
   906. Spivey Posted: August 20, 2012 at 12:05 PM (#4212497)
Suarez's goal record in the EPL isn't very good, but his goal record for his country and in Amsterdam was such that I don't think you can say he can't finish. A lot of players go through long goalless stretches. It is something I'd want to see improve this year though.
   907. Mefisto Posted: August 20, 2012 at 12:36 PM (#4212520)
What are his options? Joe Cole?


I haven't seen enough of Joe Cole lately to know. But the lack of other options doesn't take Rogers off the hook. He's had time to change the roster. If he's got no better option than to start Downing, then LFC will be lucky to finish 7th.
   908. ursus arctos Posted: August 20, 2012 at 12:37 PM (#4212526)
To pick up on Flynn's suggestion, what do we think that Downing's negative WAR would be since joining Liverpool?
   909. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: August 20, 2012 at 12:45 PM (#4212536)
He's had time to change the roster. If he's got no better option than to start Downing, then LFC will be lucky to finish 7th.

11 days to go!

To pick up on Flynn's suggestion, what do we think that Downing's negative WAR would be since joining Liverpool?

I don't want to be mean to Jeff Mathis by comparing him to full England international, Stuart Downing.
   910. Mattbert Posted: August 20, 2012 at 12:50 PM (#4212540)
WAR might like Downing on the basis of all those glorious "chances created", you know?
   911. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: August 20, 2012 at 12:55 PM (#4212545)
WAR is kind of interesting as a concept to think with, for football. At least in England, there are no bound minor leagues, so you can't stash replacement level pros easily in AAA. You can have young guys on the developmental squad, but you can't expect your development system to produce replacement level pros at every position.

Clubs competing in the championship or elsewhere at lower levels are legitimately competing, and players who would be replacement level in the top flight have value at lower tiers. So they can't be acquired for free. After the transfer deadline, you basically can't acquire anyone.

It seems to me that a concept of "replacement level" in football would have to include some sort of nominal transfer fee along with the salary. It's not precisely "free talent" in the same way.
   912. Swedish Chef Posted: August 20, 2012 at 01:00 PM (#4212552)
The guys Portsmouth have picked up on one-month contracts the last week are probably the definition of replacement player in football.
   913. ursus arctos Posted: August 20, 2012 at 01:09 PM (#4212563)
911 makes a number of good points, though it appears that we may be moving towards a context in which "replacement level" would have more meaning than it does now.

Consider, for instance, the number of guys clubs like Man City and Chelsea have out on loan at the moment, while they are aren't immediately available, it seems to me that they are not that dissimilar to minor leaguers in terms of roster construction for the following season.

We also appear to be going through another period (these arise episodically) in clubs are creating "virtual farm systems" through common ownership or contractual agreements based on rights of first refusal. Udinese are the best example of this, given their cross-ownership of Granada and now Watford.

910 illustrates why "chances created" shouldn't be used in Football WAR. You need to attempt to capture the quality of the chances, and every observer I've reade agrees that Downing's deliveries have been sub-standard. Using the raw stat is sort of like using putouts for baseball. Indeed, I think that the conceptual challenge of coming up with meaningful football metrics is similar to that posed by the quantification of defense in baseball.
   914. The Kentucky Gentleman, Mark Edward Posted: August 20, 2012 at 01:47 PM (#4212617)
Marco Reus' hair looks amazing. And there isn't really an online picture that does his hair justice. He was even fixing it up in-game, during free kicks and such.
   915. I am going to be Frank Posted: August 20, 2012 at 03:06 PM (#4212751)
Wow Carrick starting at CB. Midfield of Kagawa, Scholes and Cleverly. Fellaini has to feel that he's should physically dominate the midfield. United need to stop giving up fouls and corners because this is a short and physically unimposing team.
   916. Swedish Chef Posted: August 20, 2012 at 03:14 PM (#4212774)
The Guardian investigates the glamor of Swedish amateur football.

If anybody wonders how this went: the plucky underdogs lost 0-9.
   917. PepTech Posted: August 20, 2012 at 04:00 PM (#4212845)
Does anyone still alive remember when Everton won more than three of their first ten EPL matches?
   918. Mefisto Posted: August 20, 2012 at 04:03 PM (#4212854)
Maybe it's just the makeshift defense, but Fellaini is a beast out there.
   919. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: August 20, 2012 at 04:15 PM (#4212877)
A well deserved goal!!! FINALLY
   920. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: August 20, 2012 at 04:16 PM (#4212878)
Oh hell yes. Suck it, ManYoo.
   921. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: August 20, 2012 at 04:16 PM (#4212880)
Maybe it's just the makeshift defense, but Fellaini is a beast out there.
QFT.

He looks like a member of The Mars Volta with that haircut.
   922. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: August 20, 2012 at 04:16 PM (#4212881)
Fellaini is always my best goal scorer in FIFA 10
   923. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: August 20, 2012 at 04:17 PM (#4212883)
Fellaini has been a monster all game. Man U may need to rethink this Carrick as a CB business. I'm guessing everyone else is hurt?
   924. DA Baracus Posted: August 20, 2012 at 04:17 PM (#4212884)
I haven't seen a whole lot of Everton games but this is by far the best game I've seen out of Fellaini, even before the goal. Heck of a game all around.
   925. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: August 20, 2012 at 04:17 PM (#4212885)
Goodison is rocking!
   926. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: August 20, 2012 at 04:19 PM (#4212887)
A good start and I could see Everton making Europe. Hopefully they can get Landon back a some point.
   927. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: August 20, 2012 at 04:21 PM (#4212894)
Fellaini is causing chaos.
   928. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: August 20, 2012 at 04:22 PM (#4212895)
They need to plaster Vidic on Fellaini. Damn.
   929. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: August 20, 2012 at 04:22 PM (#4212896)
Over/under on the first use of the word "shambolic" to describe ManYoo's center backs: 70:23.
   930. ursus arctos Posted: August 20, 2012 at 04:24 PM (#4212900)
A friend of a friend is on that Swedish amateur team that played Goteborg. Evidently both teams went out on the town after the game.

My favorite fact about them is that they represent an island known for its prison, which is why they play in black and white stripes.
   931. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: August 20, 2012 at 04:25 PM (#4212903)
HOLY ####!

how did that stay out
   932. President of the David Eckstein Fan Club Posted: August 20, 2012 at 04:25 PM (#4212904)
Kagawa's been very good for United. Jagielka's been superb for Everton.
   933. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: August 20, 2012 at 04:26 PM (#4212905)
Jagielka along with Fellaini have both been on their game. And yet...lots of time left!
   934. DA Baracus Posted: August 20, 2012 at 04:27 PM (#4212909)
I can see Landon actually moving full time to Everton in the winter. I know we wonder it every year, but now that he's won a title with the Galaxy he has absolutely nothing left to prove here, and he really seems like he wants a new challenge.
   935. I am going to be Frank Posted: August 20, 2012 at 04:29 PM (#4212915)
Fellaini has always been a hard cover. The fact that the only people above six feet is Vidic and Carrick also makes Fellaini that much more dominant.

Kagawa to me, plays like a right-footed Ozil and has been United's best player.
   936. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: August 20, 2012 at 04:32 PM (#4212924)
Nice to be able to go the bench for RVP, Ashley Young, Berbatov, etc...
   937. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: August 20, 2012 at 04:36 PM (#4212930)
I was listening to the Guardian football weekly podcast today and they were speculating about Berbatov to Sunderland. The biggest hurdle, they surmised, is that Sunderland is in Sunderland.
   938. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: August 20, 2012 at 04:39 PM (#4212937)
I was listening to the Guardian football weekly podcast today and they were speculating about Berbatov to Sunderland. The biggest hurdle, they surmised, is that Sunderland is in Sunderland.

They just need to open an upscale cafe/use bookshop where Berbatov won't look out of place in a sharp suit while he sips an espresso, smokes and reads the latest from Milan Kundera. They should probably have a little Jazz at night, too.
   939. ursus arctos Posted: August 20, 2012 at 04:42 PM (#4212943)
You've never been to Sunderland, have you?
   940. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: August 20, 2012 at 04:44 PM (#4212947)
You've never been to Sunderland, have you?

That's why I say the need to open one! I just assume such a thing doesn't exist in Sunderland. Surely it's worth opening this establishment even if Berbs is the only customer? The man scores goals...
   941. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: August 20, 2012 at 04:47 PM (#4212952)
Manchester's, what, 100 miles in a straight line from Sunderland? If they're willing to shell out $30M or whatever for Berbatov, surely they'd be willing to throw in a private jet and/or helicopter to move him back and forth to his home in Manchester, right? If that's actually a hurdle.
   942. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: August 20, 2012 at 04:47 PM (#4212953)
Great play by Coleman.
   943. Swedish Chef Posted: August 20, 2012 at 04:48 PM (#4212954)
You've never been to Sunderland, have you?

What would Anzhi do in this situation? They could build a nice looking Pontemkin village...
   944. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: August 20, 2012 at 04:48 PM (#4212956)
If they're willing to shell out $30M or whatever

O'Neill wouldn't blink, but Ellis Short's skin just puckered...
   945. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: August 20, 2012 at 04:49 PM (#4212958)
Back when Niall Quinn and "Super" Kevin Phillips were rockin' it for Sunderland, I saw a big feature on the city on Fox Sports World which took note of the fact that there wasn't even a movie theatre there.

It sounds like what Gertrude Stein believed Oakland to be, only worse and with weirder accents.
   946. Swedish Chef Posted: August 20, 2012 at 04:49 PM (#4212961)
Manchester's, what, 100 miles in a straight line from Sunderland? If they're willing to shell out $30M or whatever for Berbatov, surely they'd be willing to throw in a private jet and/or helicopter to move him back and forth to his home in Manchester, right? If that's actually a hurdle.

For some strange, strange reason it usually takes most of a day to travel 100 miles in England, I don't know how they do that.
   947. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: August 20, 2012 at 04:50 PM (#4212962)
For some strange, strange reason it usually takes most of a day to go 100 miles in England, I don't know how they do that.

Makes 'em feel like they still have an empire.
   948. I am going to be Frank Posted: August 20, 2012 at 04:51 PM (#4212963)
Why can't he go to the same places Andy Carroll frequented while he was at Newcastle?
   949. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: August 20, 2012 at 04:52 PM (#4212967)
Man U in crisis!
   950. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: August 20, 2012 at 04:52 PM (#4212968)
great win!
   951. Swedish Chef Posted: August 20, 2012 at 04:53 PM (#4212969)
Why can't he go to the same places Andy Carroll frequented while he was at Newcastle?

Because Andy Carroll went anywhere there was beer?
   952. Swedish Chef Posted: August 20, 2012 at 04:57 PM (#4212978)
Rennes GM yapping about M'vila

Apparently he prefers prem before Russia.
   953. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: August 20, 2012 at 05:22 PM (#4213008)
Apparently he prefers prem before Russia.

16 million quid is a spicy meatball. Good luck to them! Zenit, with Gazprom's help, can pay the fee, but I can see how M'Villa would be reluctant to go to a club not known for their cuddly feelings towards black players. Honestly, I don't really have an opinion on if he's worth it or not as I haven't seen him play much.
   954. ursus arctos Posted: August 20, 2012 at 05:24 PM (#4213014)
Shooty, Sunderland is sort of like Richmond, California (though with very different demographics).

The establishment you are describing would be somewhat out of place, just as it would be in Richmond. And he would pilloried by the support if seen out in Newcastle.

Anzhi would have him live in Moscow, just like the rest of their team.
   955. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: August 20, 2012 at 05:29 PM (#4213018)
The establishment you are describing would be somewhat out of place, just as it would be in Richmond. And he would pilloried by the support if seen out in Newcastle.

I was just kidding ursus. I just dig Berbatov's existential philosopher vibe. He really should be playing for PSG.
   956. BFFB Posted: August 20, 2012 at 05:32 PM (#4213022)
That's why I say the need to open one! I just assume such a thing doesn't exist in Sunderland. Surely it's worth opening this establishment even if Berbs is the only customer? The man scores goals...


It would be like opening an upscale Jazz Café in Flint...
   957. ursus arctos Posted: August 20, 2012 at 05:33 PM (#4213024)
Now you're talking.

Le Cafe de Flore hasn't been the same since Jean-Paul and Simone kicked the bucket.

Berba could bring the glory days back instantly.
   958. Swedish Chef Posted: August 20, 2012 at 05:34 PM (#4213027)
He really should be playing for PSG.

I don't think a philosopher would like to jostle with PSG's new recruits drawn there by money. He should go to Ajax, Amsterdam is a nice place for philosophers.
   959. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: August 20, 2012 at 05:35 PM (#4213030)
I can picture Berbatov now, wandering along the Seine, poking through the ramshackle book stands for a forgotten treasure of human inspiration...

Crap, now I want to go back to Paris. That's the town for me.
   960. BFFB Posted: August 20, 2012 at 05:37 PM (#4213034)
Newcastle does have a pretty good little Jazz Café which has a "unusual" approach to getting round the local licensing laws. To get in you have to buy a ticket and with your ticket you get a microwaved chicken burger with microwaved french fries so it's classed as a "restaurant" and can serve you booze until late.
   961. Jeffo has an El Camino full of Rampage Posted: August 20, 2012 at 05:38 PM (#4213037)
As an Everton fan, who took the day off from work to watch this one, let me just say the obvious - what a great win. Not sure why United didn't shoot more from outside once Everton laid back on D after scoring the goal - but I'll take it. It's a given that I was the only Everton fan at my local pub here in Hoboken, but it was a really fun game all around. Excited that Everton has a chance at a half-decent start, with which their usual late-season kick could end up as a really good season (by modern football "Crap - we are a broke team" standards, I mean, they didn't even have an extra Jelavic kit on hand when he had to change it!).

Fellaini was like an (angry) Warrior Poet - but for United I thought Kagawa was very good. In fact he was like the exact opposite of Wellbeck's haircut....
   962. Swedish Chef Posted: August 20, 2012 at 05:42 PM (#4213043)
with your ticket you get a microwaved chicken burger with microwaved french fries so it's classed as a "restaurant" and can serve you booze until late.

Do they have a stomach pump for newcomers who takes a bite out of the "food"?

Once upon a time when Sweden had strict liquor laws and booze could only be served with food, most places had a plate of peas that shuttled between the kitchen and the bar, filling the same function.
   963. BFFB Posted: August 20, 2012 at 05:44 PM (#4213046)
Do they have a stomach pump for newcomers who takes a bite out of the "food"?


The regulars new to decline the "Free" "meal"...

Once upon a time when Sweden had strict liquor laws and booze could only be served with food, most places had a plate of peas that shuttled between the kitchen and the bar, filling the same function.


This would have been the perfect bar if they were wasabi peas.

Also Scandinavia has some really weird licensing laws, Norway just confused the hell out of me.
   964. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: August 20, 2012 at 05:44 PM (#4213047)
The way British media describes the EPL I get the impression that the cities are as follows:

London = New York + Los Angeles + Miami + Seattle
Birmingham = St. Louis
Manchester = Chicago
Liverpool = Philadelphia
Sheffield = Pittsburgh
Leeds = Cleveland
Newcastle = Detroit
Sunderland = Flint, Michigan
Middlesbrough = Saginaw, Michigan
Hull = Toledo
Nottingham = Milwaukee
Derby = Green Bay
Bolton = Rockford, Illinois
Wigan = Gary, Indiana
Stoke = Kansas City
Blackburn = Boise, Idaho
Wolverhampton = Bluefield, West Virginia
Blackpool = Atlantic City
Portsmouth = Providence
Southampton = New London, Connecticut
Norwich = Savannah, Georgia

Basically the entirety of the UK except the areas south and east of London seem to be part of the Rust Belt.
   965. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: August 20, 2012 at 05:49 PM (#4213054)
Basically the entirety of the UK except the areas south and east of London seem to be part of the Rust Belt.

That is also my impression. I always think of England as a big Ohio plus London.
   966. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: August 20, 2012 at 05:53 PM (#4213058)
Swansea would be Dayton, the scrappy underdog part of Ohio. Reading = Columbus, a soulless city with no geographical features. Maybe Cincinnati is Bristol. Burnley is that town where they filmed "Gummo". I don't know if West Bromwich is even a town or just a vague geographical region.
   967. DA Baracus Posted: August 20, 2012 at 05:56 PM (#4213064)
That's a pretty good list Crispix.
   968. BFFB Posted: August 20, 2012 at 05:56 PM (#4213065)
I'll give you some descriptors to help hone the comparisons...

Birmingham = large industrial city, lots of conferences, zero tourist appeal, simmering racial tension. Growing economy.
Liverpool = old port city in terminal decline, full of unemployed and unemployable people. Has lots of truly #### sinkhole estates. Everyone with any sense lives across the Mersey in the Wirral or Cheshire.
Leeds = Rapidly regenerating and growing, big financial services industry with quite a few engineering firms.
Newcastle = Fairly pleasant "small" city with lots of Georgian architecture, relies very heavily on the service sector and gov'mint jobs.
Middlesbrough = Previously had lots of chemical industry, now slowly decaying away and a dead economy.
Hull = See Middlesbrough, but worse. At least it's not Goole.
Stoke = Industrial City, hotbed of racism with lots of BNP (White Supremacist Party) support.
Wolverhampton = It's pretty much been absorbed by Birmingham.
Bolton = Suburb of Manchester
Wigan = You've forgotten it existed five minutes after you leave and don't regret it.
Blackburn = Old mining town, fairly #### in a profoundly average way. It died in about 1978 and has been stuck in a time-warp ever since.
Portsmouth = Naval Port (with all that comes with that), a throbbing puss filled zit on Southampton's ass.
Southampton = Fairly pleasant commercial port city, heavily redeveloped and gentrifying seafront.
Norwich = Fairly pleasant, in the middle of absolutely nowhere and surrounded by sugar beets.
   969. ursus arctos Posted: August 20, 2012 at 06:05 PM (#4213081)
Norwich is also constructed mostly out of flint, which gives it a look I've never seen in another city.

And Blackpool is sort of like Asbury Park
   970. Swedish Chef Posted: August 20, 2012 at 06:10 PM (#4213086)
And Blackpool is sort of like Asbury Park

Now, I've never been to Asbury Park, but I can't imagine it is half as tacky as Blackpool.
   971. Jeffo has an El Camino full of Rampage Posted: August 20, 2012 at 06:11 PM (#4213088)
So you're saying if Bruce Springsteen was from the NW of England instead of from New Jersey it would be "4th of July Blackpool (Sandy)"? I mean, other than obviously the English wouldn't celebrate a US holiday of course....
   972. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: August 20, 2012 at 06:12 PM (#4213090)
"St Swithin's Day, Blackpool (Agnes)"
   973. Jeffo has an El Camino full of Rampage Posted: August 20, 2012 at 06:14 PM (#4213091)
(applause)
   974. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: August 20, 2012 at 06:18 PM (#4213098)
Leeds = Rapidly regenerating and growing, big financial services industry with quite a few engineering firms.

OK, Leeds can be Pittsburgh and Sheffield can be Cleveland. That means Bradford is Akron and Barnsley is Youngstown.

Blackburn = Old mining town, fairly #### in a profoundly average way. It died in about 1978 and has been stuck in a time-warp ever since.

I chose the wrong college footbll fanbase. That sounds more like Morgantown.
   975. Swedish Chef Posted: August 20, 2012 at 06:19 PM (#4213099)
I don't know if West Bromwich is even a town or just a vague geographical region.

Like Wolverhampton it has been swallowed by the Birmingham metro area.
   976. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: August 20, 2012 at 06:25 PM (#4213104)
Norwich = Fairly pleasant, in the middle of absolutely nowhere and surrounded by sugar beets.

Omaha?

Also Glasgow is obviously Boston.
   977. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: August 20, 2012 at 06:40 PM (#4213118)
Also Glasgow is obviously Boston.

Hmm. I have Glasgow more as Seattle and Edinburgh as Boston, though I guess those could be flipped based on your POV.
   978. ursus arctos Posted: August 20, 2012 at 07:01 PM (#4213129)
Yeah, you can't have Glasgow without shipyards, even if Seattle never had anything in the same universe as the Gorbals.

And Boston's concentration in higher education and financial services is much more Edinburgh than Glasgow.
   979. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: August 20, 2012 at 07:04 PM (#4213133)
Boston doesn't have shipyards? How about Baltimore then?

Clearly I was overly influenced by the similar natures of the Glasgow / Boston sports fanbases (fascinated by their own unique tradition and importance, viewed by everyone else as insufferable and contemptible).
   980. ursus arctos Posted: August 20, 2012 at 07:14 PM (#4213149)
Also united in their pronunciation of "Celtic".

But yeah, Boston has/had the Charlestown Navy Yard, but not real commercial shipyards.
   981. I am going to be Frank Posted: August 20, 2012 at 07:44 PM (#4213179)
Is Blackpool rundown? Maybe Seaside Heights - the setting of "Jersey Shore?"
   982. Mattbert Posted: August 20, 2012 at 07:57 PM (#4213197)
Blackpool is...I don't know. Imagine a two-bit version of Vegas, but on the coast of Maine. Something like that.
   983. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: August 20, 2012 at 08:49 PM (#4213248)
Now, I've never been to Asbury Park, but I can't imagine it is half as tacky as Blackpool.
The strangest part about Blackpool, at least in my recollection, is that everyone there seemed to decide that they were going to pretend they were enjoying themselves, even though it was clear that it was kind of a dumpy place, with exactly the weather you'd expect in England in September. And yet everyone acted like it was the French Riviera.

The closest thing I can think of is Niagara Falls, although Blackpool obviously lacks any natural (or man made) feature that compares to the falls.

Still tied for first, hooray!
   984. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: August 20, 2012 at 10:19 PM (#4213304)
Blackpool is...I don't know. Imagine a two-bit version of Vegas, but on the coast of Maine. Something like that.

Well, Bangor has legalized gambling in the form of slot machines, but it's not on the coast...
   985. Richard Posted: August 20, 2012 at 10:35 PM (#4213317)
Blackpool uniquely combines the rundown, tatty feel of an English seaside town in decline with its status as a sleazy mecca for stag and hen parties. It's grim.

It's too lively to be Asbury Park. Morecambe, further up the Lancashire coast, is I would guess more like Ashbury Park.

And Blackburn is a former mill town, not mining town, but otherwise Obi One's description of the place is bang on.
   986. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: August 20, 2012 at 10:57 PM (#4213339)
There is no place, in the entire UK, as bad as Cleveland.
   987. I am going to be Frank Posted: August 20, 2012 at 11:13 PM (#4213345)
East London - pre-Olympics?
   988. Richard Posted: August 20, 2012 at 11:48 PM (#4213361)
Leeds = Rapidly regenerating and growing, big financial services industry with quite a few engineering firms.

OK, Leeds can be Pittsburgh and Sheffield can be Cleveland. That means Bradford is Akron and Barnsley is Youngstown.


Sheffield is Pittsburgh in terms of industrial past and Cleveland in terms of football futility.

Rotherham is a better comparison to Youngstown...incidentally, Rotherham United played their first home game in their new stadium on Saturday and were rewarded with their highest opening day attendance in 40 years. The name of the ground is...the New York Stadium, as the area of Rotherham where its located is known as "New York".
   989. Swedish Chef Posted: August 21, 2012 at 02:32 AM (#4213422)
Soros owns 7.9% of Manchester United.

Which means that his fund must have gotten just about every share in the IPO.
   990. BFFB Posted: August 21, 2012 at 04:04 AM (#4213433)
I guess you could describe Blackpool as what would happen if you took Coney Island, stuck it on the far north coast of Maine, ratcheted up the tackiness by a factor of 100 and began marketing it as a destination for stag and hen parties to get incredibly drunk and barf on the sidewalk.

There is no place, in the entire UK, as bad as Cleveland.


The answer to this question is Goole, always Goole.
   991. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: August 21, 2012 at 07:10 AM (#4213453)
Some actual Spurs news!

Sebastian Bassong is off to Norwich City. He always looked the part but the results never matched his athleticism. Also, Michael Dawson is in the shop window which makes sense, but is a little sad. That leaves Spurs with 4 CB's which seems a little light. Maybe the Carvalho rumors are true.

Elsewhere: Scott Sinclair, sadly, looks to be headed to Man City. I assume this means an Adam Johnson deal is imminent. And Stoke seems to have interest in Maurice Edu, now. Would much rather him go there than Ipswich.
   992. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: August 21, 2012 at 07:26 AM (#4213459)
The answer to this question is Goole, always Goole.
But is there a Hastily Made Goole Tourism Video?
   993. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: August 21, 2012 at 07:38 AM (#4213463)
Elsewhere: Scott Sinclair, sadly, looks to be headed to Man City.
I assume Swansea already have a transfer worked out with Khasiin Khulguud in the Mongolian League for their star winger.
   994. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: August 21, 2012 at 07:46 AM (#4213466)
I assume Swansea already have a transfer worked out with Khasiin Khulguud in the Mongolian League for their star winger.

Do not doubt the Swans...they mate for life!

A lot of twitter smoke that Spurs want Pjanic to replace Modric, which makes sense because he's the same guy they wanted last year, too. I think he's a tidy player with a real fearless streak and, unlike Moutinho and Porto, I think they could actually strike a deal with Roma for him.
   995. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: August 21, 2012 at 08:08 AM (#4213475)
Oxford County Maine now has a full casino with table games and everything.

   996. jmurph Posted: August 21, 2012 at 08:31 AM (#4213486)
Elsewhere: Scott Sinclair, sadly, looks to be headed to Man City. I assume this means an Adam Johnson deal is imminent.


In a world where money mattered, I'd be okay with this. 10 millionish for Johnson, 5 millionish for Sinclair. I like Johnson, but if Mancini isn't going to play him, I can live with this exchange, and it's good business.

   997. BFFB Posted: August 21, 2012 at 08:37 AM (#4213488)
But is there a Hastily Made Goole Tourism Video?


Visit Goole! Marvel at the power station and pre-fab concrete architecture! Experience the local custom known as "glassing" in one of the many fine drinking establishments! Goole improves your self-esteem because no matter how bad things are at least you haven't given up on life! Side note for film directors, come film your Zombie films in Goole - no make up required!
   998. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: August 21, 2012 at 08:41 AM (#4213493)
I actually want to check Goole out now. Does it actually exist, though? Google insists I mean to type "google" instead of "Goole".
   999. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: August 21, 2012 at 08:52 AM (#4213496)
The main shopping street looks nice!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Boothferry_Road,_Goole.jpg
   1000. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: August 21, 2012 at 08:58 AM (#4213500)
It reminds me of Greenfield, Mass.
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