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OT: The Soccer Thread August, 2014

Link to July Thread.

Fantasy Premier League. Code for BTF League is 585849-148849.


Aug. 4: Man U vs Liverpool (ICC Final), MLS Homegrown Team vs Timbers U23

Aug. 5: Champ. League Qualifiers, CONCACAF Champ. League (inc. Montral Impact vs FAS)

Aug. 6: UEFA Champ. League Qual., Nacional vs San Lorenzo (Lib. Final 1st Leg), MLS All Stars vs Bayern, Napoli vs Barcelona

Aug. 7: Europa League Qual., CONC. Champ. League

Aug, 8: LA Galaxy vs SJ Earthquakes, Reims vs PSG (Ligue 1 opener)

Aug. 9: Tottenham vs Schalke, RSL vs DC United, Col. Crew vs Toronto FC

Aug. 10: Man City vs Arsenal (Comm. Shield), Liverpool vs Dortmund (Friendly), Sounders vs Dynamo

Aug. 11: Carlisle United vs Derby (Cap. One Cup), Napoli vs PSG (Friendly)

Aug. 12: Real Madrid vs Sevilla (UEFA Super Cup), Man U vs Valencia (Friendly), Capital One Cup Round 1

Aug. 13: Dortmund vs Bayern (DFL Supercup), San Lorenzo vs Nacional (Liber. Final 2nd Leg), Capital One Cup Round 1

Aug. 15: Dynamo vs Union, Tijuana vs Chiapas, Queretaro vs Veracruz, Barcelona vs Leon (Friendly)

Aug. 16: PL Starts! Man U vs Swansea, Tottenham vs West Ham, Arsenal vs Crystal Palace, RSL vs Sounders

Aug. 17: Liverpool vs Southampton, Newcastle vs Man City, Bordeaux vs Monaco

Aug. 18: Burnley vs Chelsea

Aug. 19: Real Madrid vs Atletico Madrid (Supercopa Leg 1), CONCACAF Champ. League, Copasudamericana

Aug. 20: Rapids vs Galaxy, Sounders vs Earthquakes, CONCACAF Champ. League, Copasudamericana

Aug. 21: CONCACAF Champ. League, Copasudamericana

Aug. 22: Atletico Madrid vs Real Madrid (Supercopa Leg 2), Bayern vs Wolfsburg (Bund. Opener), Dallas vs RSL

Aug. 23: Everton vs Arsenal, Chelsea vs Leicester City, Dortmund vs Leverkusen, Sevilla vs Valencia (La Liga Opener)

Aug. 24: Tottenham vs QPR, Sunderland vs Man U, Timbers vs Sounders

Aug. 25: Man City vs Liverpool, Real Madrid vs Cordoba, Rayo Vallecano vs Atletico Madrid

Aug. 26: CONCACAF Champ. League, Copasudamericana

Aug. 27: LA Galaxy vs DC United, CONCACAF Champ. League, Copasudamericana

Aug. 28: Monaco vs Lille, CONCACAF Champ. League, Copasudamericana

Aug. 29: Augsburg vs Dortmund, Sporting KC vs H. Dynamo, Valencia vs Malaga, Tijuana vs Guadalajara

Aug. 30: Everton vs Chelsea, Schalke vs Bayern, Chievo vs Juventus (Serie A Opens), Roma vs Fiorentina

Aug. 31: Tottenham vs Liverpool, Leicester City vs Arsenal, Villareal vs Barcelona, Milan vs Lazio

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Link to July Thread.

Fantasy Premier League. Code for BTF League is 585849-148849.


Aug. 4: Man U vs Liverpool (ICC Final), MLS Homegrown Team vs Timbers U23

Aug. 5: Champ. League Qualifiers, CONCACAF Champ. League (inc. Montral Impact vs FAS)

Aug. 6: UEFA Champ. League Qual., Nacional vs San Lorenzo (Lib. Final 1st Leg), MLS All Stars vs Bayern, Napoli vs Barcelona

Aug. 7: Europa League Qual., CONC. Champ. League

Aug, 8: LA Galaxy vs SJ Earthquakes, Reims vs PSG (Ligue 1 opener)

Aug. 9: Tottenham vs Schalke, RSL vs DC United, Col. Crew vs Toronto FC

Aug. 10: Man City vs Arsenal (Comm. Shield), Liverpool vs Dortmund (Friendly), Sounders vs Dynamo

Aug. 11: Carlisle United vs Derby (Cap. One Cup), Napoli vs PSG (Friendly)

Aug. 12: Real Madrid vs Sevilla (UEFA Super Cup), Man U vs Valencia (Friendly), Capital One Cup Round 1

Aug. 13: Dortmund vs Bayern (DFL Supercup), San Lorenzo vs Nacional (Liber. Final 2nd Leg), Capital One Cup Round 1

Aug. 15: Dynamo vs Union, Tijuana vs Chiapas, Queretaro vs Veracruz, Barcelona vs Leon (Friendly)

Aug. 16: PL Starts! Man U vs Swansea, Tottenham vs West Ham, Arsenal vs Crystal Palace, RSL vs Sounders

Aug. 17: Liverpool vs Southampton, Newcastle vs Man City, Bordeaux vs Monaco

Aug. 18: Burnley vs Chelsea

Aug. 19: Real Madrid vs Atletico Madrid (Supercopa Leg 1), CONCACAF Champ. League, Copasudamericana

Aug. 20: Rapids vs Galaxy, Sounders vs Earthquakes, CONCACAF Champ. League, Copasudamericana

Aug. 21: CONCACAF Champ. League, Copasudamericana

Aug. 22: Atletico Madrid vs Real Madrid (Supercopa Leg 2), Bayern vs Wolfsburg (Bund. Opener), Dallas vs RSL

Aug. 23: Everton vs Arsenal, Chelsea vs Leicester City, Dortmund vs Leverkusen, Sevilla vs Valencia (La Liga Opener)

Aug. 24: Tottenham vs QPR, Sunderland vs Man U, Timbers vs Sounders

Aug. 25: Man City vs Liverpool, Real Madrid vs Cordoba, Rayo Vallecano vs Atletico Madrid

Aug. 26: CONCACAF Champ. League, Copasudamericana

Aug. 27: LA Galaxy vs DC United, CONCACAF Champ. League, Copasudamericana

Aug. 28: Monaco vs Lille, CONCACAF Champ. League, Copasudamericana

Aug. 29: Augsburg vs Dortmund, Sporting KC vs H. Dynamo, Valencia vs Malaga, Tijuana vs Guadalajara

Aug. 30: Everton vs Chelsea, Schalke vs Bayern, Chievo vs Juventus (Serie A Opens), Roma vs Fiorentina

Aug. 31: Tottenham vs Liverpool, Leicester City vs Arsenal, Villareal vs Barcelona, Milan vs Lazio

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   1. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: August 05, 2014 at 03:18 PM (#4764928)
I have to admit being probably too sad that Rodgers nixed talk of a Balotelli to Liverpool move. For less than Adam Lalanna? It would have been so worth it!
   2. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: August 06, 2014 at 10:27 AM (#4765399)
I'm probably (certainly!) overusing the "Moneyball" term, but I wrote up a little piece today about how if Moneyball comes to football, it might kind of suck a lot of the time. For truly lower-talent sides, Pulis-ball and Bruce-ball seem to work pretty well. The Unappealing Moneyball of Tony Pulis.
   3. J. Sosa Posted: August 06, 2014 at 12:00 PM (#4765521)
Thanks for posting the article. There have been discussions regarding morality and style of play before which tends to come up for in soccer than other sports, but I don't really see it. Not to endorse Mourinho, but his various rants about how he is paid to win trophies not to win style points seems correct to me. Despite the many problems soccer has (most notably racism and prospective World Cup venues) one of the primary things that first attracted me to the sport was the concept of relegation. Loria and Astros style revenue sharing shenanigans do not come into play, nor do you get the intentional losing of games like you get in the NBA. Being the worst in your league is punished harshly in the PL. To the public at large that would seem to make pragmatic tactics more understandable for soccer than other sports, but oddly that does not seem to be the case. It is looked down on.* I don't mind Pulis' style of play; I've actually had a long standing Pulis fetish. He tends to get lumped in with managers I think he is a lot better than.

Pulis is a good manager. I wouldn't want him buying the groceries in player procurement, but there are a lot of clubs in the PL that could use him. What he did with Palace was borderline miraculous. I said last year Bruce didn't get enough credit for the job he did. People tend to go googly eyed at LVG and his tactics, but Bruce smoke and mirrored his way with 3 at the back to safety last year, frustrating some talented teams in the process. I will be interested to see what he does this season. I haven't looked at the teams in detail, but barring some changes Hull may be one of my favorites for the drop. I don't rate Bruce as highly as Pulis, and he is another guy I wouldn't want buying the groceries, but he is perfectly cromulent.

* One of my favorite examples of this last season was Rodgers speaking glowingly of Bournemouth attempting to play football with Liverpool in the FA Cup. There seems to be this underlying notion in soccer that teams are obligated to play in an expansive style even when at a severe disadvantage. This makes no sense to me as an overarching inflexible ideal. Sure I enjoy Rodgers' Fun N Gun, but at times seeing the crap goals the club conceeds makes me long for Pulis or Mourinho style ground and pound. I said last season in defense of Pulis that pragmatism is a fine quality in a manager, and it is something Rodgers could use a little more of.

edit for english fail, math fail
   4. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 06, 2014 at 12:20 PM (#4765538)
Not to endorse Mourinho, but his various rants about how he is paid to win trophies not to win style points seems correct to me.

Funny how he changes his tune when a team beats him with pragmatic soccer.
   5. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 06, 2014 at 01:44 PM (#4765623)
Taylor Twellman thinks Spurs are head of the queue for DeAndre Yedlin. That's a weird one, but Twellman has broken big transfer news before.
   6. puck Posted: August 06, 2014 at 01:48 PM (#4765628)
MK Dons drew a home game vs AFC Wimbledon in the League Cup. It's on beIN on Tuesday Aug 12.

beIN also has Carlisle United-Derby County on Monday, Coventry-Cardiff on Wednesday.
   7. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 06, 2014 at 01:50 PM (#4765630)
MK Dons drew a home game vs AFC Wimbledon in the League Cup.

I can't tell if MK Dons or Wimbledon are being trolled by their repeatedly getting drawn against each other.
   8. puck Posted: August 06, 2014 at 02:12 PM (#4765643)
A group of players has retained legal counsel and had a letter sent to FIFA regarding the 2015 Women's World Cup in Canada featuring 6 stadia that all have artificial turf. They cite discrimination because a men's World Cup would not be held in a place where all the fields are artificial turf.

Article and the letter (PDF).

Abby Wambach, Alex Morgan, Heather O'Reilly, Veronica Boquete, Fabiana and Nadine Angerer are among the players represented.
   9. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 06, 2014 at 02:19 PM (#4765650)
They cite discrimination because a men's World Cup would not be held in a place where all the fields are artificial turf.

In fairness, FIFA would never sell the Womens' WC to Qatar. (really, though, it's an interesting stance they're taking. There's no doubt FIFA is discriminatory.)

Also, in more Spurs news...The Mirror--I know, I know--think Memphis Depay is headed to the Lane. I am not convinced.

   10. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: August 06, 2014 at 02:25 PM (#4765654)
The Mirror reports a player + money deal has been accepted bringing Memphis Depay to Spurs in exchange for £10m and Nacer Chadli.

This doesn't make very much sense, and it's just the Mirror, but it's a strong report of a done deal. That would be some fantastic business, in my opinion.
   11. Random Transaction Generator Posted: August 06, 2014 at 02:25 PM (#4765656)
They cite discrimination because a men's World Cup would not be held in a place where all the fields are artificial turf.


There were two countries that offered up bids to host the Women's World Cup:

Canada
Zimbabwe

Zimbabwe withdrew because they don't have a remotely competitive women's team (103rd in the world), and all that political/economic strife that is gripping the country.

So, I think this is the case of "beggars can't be choosers" for the women.
If FIFA turned down Canada, then there wouldn't have even been a Women's World Cup....
   12. andrewberg Posted: August 06, 2014 at 02:31 PM (#4765662)
The Sounders should join in that suit.

Isn't playing in a humid jungle worse than playing on turf?
   13. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 06, 2014 at 02:33 PM (#4765663)
This doesn't make very much sense, and it's just the Mirror, but it's a strong report of a done deal. That would be some fantastic business, in my opinion.

Darren Lewis has good Spurs contacts. I think there is some hear there, but I don't know why Chadli would agree to go back to PSV. It's a weird one and the Chadli thing is why I'm not convinced.

Canada
Zimbabwe


Which is weird because it's a pretty well attended event. It just shows how incompetent FIFA can be when countries and sponsors aren't basically forcing themselves on them.
   14. I am going to be Frank Posted: August 06, 2014 at 02:41 PM (#4765670)
I'd imagine Canada is going the cheap route because I'm sure they could overlay grass on the fields if they really wanted to. I would think that most nations that host a Men's World Cup lose money on it, and the Women's one comes with much less prestige. According to the article, Canada was the only one left standing after Zimbabwe pulled out, so I don't think there is a huge clamor to host this thing around the world.

   15. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 06, 2014 at 02:47 PM (#4765678)
so I don't think there is a huge clamor to host this thing around the world.

If FIFA shook the tree a little I'm sure they could have come up with other candidates. I really think they can't be bothered.
   16. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: August 06, 2014 at 02:53 PM (#4765685)
Gah. Sheriff 0:0 Slovan. Slovan advances.

Transnistria will have to wait another year to win the Champions League.
   17. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: August 06, 2014 at 03:01 PM (#4765691)
I'm sure they could overlay grass on the fields if they really wanted to.
Sure, the Silverdome hosted World Cup games in '94 on grass. It can be done, but who's going to pay for it? I can't imagine the CSA would be all that interested in paying for a temporary grass surface and I think it's even less likely that FIFA would pay.

They could just play the whole thing in Moncton and be done with it.
   18. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 06, 2014 at 03:08 PM (#4765703)
even less likely that FIFA would pay.

When Blatter invites the AFCON delegates to dinner and claims there's money for everyone, he doesn't mean for women's soccer. Which makes you wonder WTF they mean when they talk about their mission is to grow the sport. How about growing it for half the ####### population, Sepp. FIFA can easily afford to pay for the grass if they wanted but then they couldn't give all that cash to the bloodsuckers and thugs that make up Blatter's re-election base.
   19. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: August 06, 2014 at 03:14 PM (#4765716)
Well, right, exactly. Their mission is to make a whole bunch of money.

I'm unclear on who they'd like to see get that money - whether they'd rather line their own pockets or they'd rather make as much money as possible for FIFA. I'd think the Qatar 2022 debacle suggests they'd rather just make the money for themselves, but it's tough to really know.
   20. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: August 06, 2014 at 04:36 PM (#4765821)
Zenit avoided embarrassment and comfortably overturned the first leg 1-0 loss to AEL Limassol, winning 3-0.

Celtic, however, has followed up their 4-1 first leg defeat to Legia with a 2-0 second leg defeat.
   21. puck Posted: August 06, 2014 at 04:37 PM (#4765823)
They could just play the whole thing in Moncton and be done with it.


Interesting, FIFA said all the fields have to be the same (though the 2007 U-20 Men's World Cup was played in Canada with half the stadiums turf and half grass), so the plan is to install turf in Moncton. Yahoo.ca article.

The Yahoo article also cites a possible parallel to a lawsuit from women ski jumpers re. the Vancouver Olympics:

It's worth mentioning that Canadian courts have declined to intervene in international sports organizations' business before, too; in particular, the lawsuit brought by women's ski jumpers in an attempt to participate in the 2010 Olympics in Vancouver would seem to have much stronger gender-equity grounds, but it was shot down by the B.C. Supreme Court. In that case, justice Lauri Ann Fenlon found that women were discriminated against, but that the International Olympic Committee was "beyond the reach of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms" and that the Vancouver Organizing Committee was duty-bound to abide by IOC rulings.
   22. I am going to be Frank Posted: August 06, 2014 at 04:41 PM (#4765832)
I think Foster was seeing if they qualified for Champions League before deciding on joining Southampton - so I guess they'll get another player.

I think the Women's World Cup should just go to one of the "smaller" nations in Europe. Small stadiums won't be an issue and they'll have grass.
   23. Ron J2 Posted: August 06, 2014 at 05:01 PM (#4765853)
#4 I've read similar responses by "grinders" in the chess world. Larry Evans had nothing but contempt for players who valued style over results. And Emanuel Lasker wrote, "checkmate is the ultimate refutation of the hypocrite" (And yes, Lasker was a grinder or at least could be when required)
   24. Swedish Chef Posted: August 06, 2014 at 06:02 PM (#4765909)
I don't get why these pragmatic people who are only going for results get so sad when they don't get admiration too, seems like the three points isn't the only thing they want after all.
   25. frannyzoo Posted: August 06, 2014 at 10:01 PM (#4766013)
Watching MLS All-Star v. Bayern. That's some bench for Bayern, but I'm thinking everyone of them is looking out at that Portland field turf and saying, "uh, no thank you, I'll just stay here on the bench."
   26. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: August 06, 2014 at 10:22 PM (#4766028)
This is a great profile of LVG: http://grantland.com/features/louis-van-gaal-manchester-united-netherlands-barclays-premier-league-2014/

Brian Phillips has to be one of my favorite profile writers, and his tone is a perfect fit for Grantland.
   27. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: August 06, 2014 at 10:29 PM (#4766035)
Still catching up, but lovely strike from Lewy ...
   28. frannyzoo Posted: August 06, 2014 at 10:44 PM (#4766043)
If Atletico somehow get Shaqiri, I will both eat my hat and relish every bite. Not gonna happen, but Koke and Shaqiri working together would be damn fun to watch.
   29. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: August 06, 2014 at 10:58 PM (#4766048)
Rimaundo with a SILLY save on Shaqiri!
   30. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: August 06, 2014 at 11:27 PM (#4766062)
That's a really nice finish from Donovan -- good strength to hold off the Bayern defender draped on his back. Oh to have had Donovan on the end of that chance that Wondo flubbed. Oh well.
   31. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: August 06, 2014 at 11:48 PM (#4766069)
Stay classy, Pep.
   32. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: August 07, 2014 at 12:09 AM (#4766077)
Seriously, ####.you Pep. That was a pathetic, bullshit, petty move ...
   33. puck Posted: August 07, 2014 at 12:15 AM (#4766082)
That was a bad end. Obviously they didn't do much research on Alonso and Johnson, that's what those guys do.
   34. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: August 07, 2014 at 12:17 AM (#4766086)
MLS All-Stars, better than the best of Bundesliga. At least, in a friendly.

I can't believe that Pep refused to shake hands, what a tosspot.
   35. Manny Coon Posted: August 07, 2014 at 01:29 AM (#4766108)
That's a really nice finish from Donovan -- good strength to hold off the Bayern defender draped on his back. Oh to have had Donovan on the end of that chance that Wondo flubbed. Oh well.


He's no Brad Davis.
   36. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: August 07, 2014 at 03:28 AM (#4766124)
I can't believe that Pep refused to shake hands, what a tosspot.

Being associated with Bayern tends to do that to people.
   37. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 07, 2014 at 08:49 AM (#4766150)
Spurs news! The Memphis Depay rumors, as I suspected, seem to be BS. However, the Yedlin rumor has legs. That might actually be a thing.
   38. just plain joe Posted: August 07, 2014 at 09:55 AM (#4766175)
MLS All-Stars, better than the best of Bundesliga. At least, in a friendly.


When soccer teams play a friendly, do they use the regular substitution rules (only 3 subs), or can teams replace any number of players? Thanks in advance.
   39. frannyzoo Posted: August 07, 2014 at 10:11 AM (#4766179)
Joe: Unlimited subs in a friendly, limited only to how many folks the team brings.

The latest rumo(u)r I want to happen, Di Maria to MUFC. I like how RM has to shop him post-PSG falling through by looking around and saying, "uh...there is no market except for MUFC and City." First World Football Club problems.
   40. I am going to be Frank Posted: August 07, 2014 at 11:39 AM (#4766266)
It all depends on what the clubs (or international teams) want. Some will have unlimited while others usually have less. I think yesterday's game was unlimited.
   41. just plain joe Posted: August 07, 2014 at 12:32 PM (#4766317)
[39&40;]

Thanks. Unlimited substitution makes sense; gives the fans a chance to see the visiting stars for 15-20 minutes and then they can be subbed out to give other players some game experience.
   42. ursus arctos Posted: August 07, 2014 at 01:40 PM (#4766397)
Landon Donovan just announced that he will be retiring at the end of the MLS season.

Likely the best outfield player in USMNT history (it being very difficult to compare keepers with outfield players).
   43. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: August 07, 2014 at 02:01 PM (#4766429)
Absolutely the best outfield player in terms of career value. Guys like Stern John had absurdly great cups of coffee in MLS, but Landon was terrific for a really long time.

When Brad Friedel earned his first cap, Landon Donovan was ten years old, just starting (I assume) fifth grade.
When Friedel left UCLA to (attempt to) join Newcastle United, Donovan was 12.
When Friedel made his Columbus Crew debut, Landon Donovan was 14 years old.

Friedel will still be playing after Donovan retires. I know, keepers vs. outfield players, but that's just plain bananas.
   44. Swedish Chef Posted: August 07, 2014 at 02:41 PM (#4766461)
There's a limit of six substitutions in international friendlies since 2004*. Teams can agree on more but then it won't be counted as an official game and won't be recorded in statistics and the FIFA ranking. Belgium's 5-1 win against Luxembourg earlier this year doesn't count thanks to Belgium doing seven substitution, costing Lukaku a hat-trick.

*) Largely thanks to the farces with the whole team substituted that was driven by club managers like Sir Alex and Wenger whingeing like spoiled children every time one of their players didn't spend the international break wrapped in cotton.
   45. zack Posted: August 07, 2014 at 03:15 PM (#4766508)
Landon Donovan just announced that he will be retiring at the end of the MLS season.

If he had gone to Brazil he'd still be 4 caps behind Cobi Jones for the US cap record to go with the goal and assist records. There are 3 friendlies scheduled in September and October, a 4th mid-November, so it's probably moot.
   46. Howling John Shade Posted: August 07, 2014 at 07:07 PM (#4766693)
Yedlin to Spurs seems like it might actually be a thing. I'll take him as a Naughton replacement, though I kind of hope he gets loaned out so he can play regularly.
   47. frannyzoo Posted: August 07, 2014 at 07:10 PM (#4766694)
   48. Howling John Shade Posted: August 07, 2014 at 07:47 PM (#4766714)
Bartosz Bereszynski played in the final two minutes of the Polish champions' 2-0 victory at Murrayfield on Wednesday, a result that earned them a 6-1 win.
Ouch... That would be a shitty reason to miss out on the Champions League.
   49. JH (in DC) Posted: August 07, 2014 at 11:15 PM (#4766829)
Celtic are really good at losing to teams fielding ineligible players.
   50. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: August 08, 2014 at 07:12 AM (#4766899)
Looks like Celtic advance. Get beat 6-1, advance because an ineligible player was on the field for 4 minutes!
   51. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 08, 2014 at 07:34 AM (#4766907)
Looks like Celtic advance. Get beat 6-1, advance because an ineligible player was on the field for 4 minutes!

It's very silly. Can't UEFA let a team know if a player is ineligible beforehand. And they clearly didn't receive any benefit from the breaking of the rule. Why don't they give them one of those nothing fines like they do for having racist fans and let them go on? Soccer bureaucrats are the worst.
   52. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 08, 2014 at 07:38 AM (#4766909)
The Europa League draw is out.

Spurs get AEL Limassol, Hull get Lokeren, Torino get RNK Split,and the most interesting tie looks like Grasshoppers vs Club Brugge.
   53. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 08, 2014 at 07:41 AM (#4766910)
Oh, and the CL playoffs, too. If you're into that. Arsenal get a Turkish opponent again. Napoli v Bilbao is a monster.

Maribor Slovenia Scotland Celtic 20 Aug 26 Aug
Red Bull Salzburg Austria Sweden Malmö FF 19 Aug 27 Aug
AaB Denmark Cyprus APOEL 20 Aug 26 Aug
Steaua Bucure?ti Romania Bulgaria Ludogorets Razgrad 19 Aug 27 Aug
Slovan Bratislava Slovakia Belarus BATE Borisov 20 Aug 26 Aug

League Route

Be?ikta? Turkey England Arsenal 19 Aug 27 Aug
Standard Liège Belgium Russia Zenit Saint Petersburg 20 Aug 26 Aug
Copenhagen Denmark Germany Bayer Leverkusen 19 Aug 27 Aug
Lille France Portugal Porto 20 Aug 26 Aug
Napoli Italy Spain Athletic Bilbao
   54. frannyzoo Posted: August 08, 2014 at 08:03 AM (#4766916)
Wow. Napoli has to host Bilbao in the first leg....that's a brutal draw. Higuain and crew just seemed to be CL-cursed these days. Exciting for the neutral, however.
   55. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 08, 2014 at 10:56 AM (#4767028)
Ted Lasso is back.

The Tottenham jokes give me a sad. :(
   56. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 08, 2014 at 11:04 AM (#4767034)
Morgan Schneiderlin is not "mentally fit" to play in Soton's friendly tomorrow against Leverkusen. Sounds like he's on strike to try to force his move to Spurs. Again, very weird to be on the other side of one of these.
   57. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: August 08, 2014 at 11:20 AM (#4767044)
Icelandic side Stjarnan drew Inter in Europa League. That's pretty fun.
   58. PepTech Posted: August 08, 2014 at 11:41 AM (#4767067)
Keller cautions Yedlin about Spurs.

"I just want to see young American players play regularly week in, week out. If that's at Tottenham, great -- but if it's not, then it's not the right move. It's hard to develop if you don't play."


What does HE know, anyway.
   59. ursus arctos Posted: August 08, 2014 at 12:18 PM (#4767113)
Full Europa League draw:

Sarajevo vs Borussia Monchengladbach
Apollon vs Lokomotiv Moscow
Astana vs Villarreal
Young Boys vs Debrecen
PEC Zwolle vs Sparta Prague
Spartak Trnava vs FC Zurich
Asteras vs Maccabi Tel-aviv
AEL vs Tottenham
Dnipro vs Hajduk Split
Dinamo Minsk vs Nacional
Qarabag vs FC Twente
Petrolul vs Dinamo Zagreb
HJK vs Rapid Vienna
Trabzonspor vs FC Rostov
Zimbru vs PAOK
Hajduk Split vs Torino
Omonia vs Dinamo Moscow
Aktobe vs Legia Warsaw
Lyon vs Astra
Lokeren vs Hull
Neftci vs Partizan Belgrade
Ruch vs Metalist
Elfsborg vs Rio Ave
PSV Eindhoven vs Shakhtyor
Karabukspor vs Saint-Etienne
Stjarnan vs Inter Milan
Panathinaikos vs Midtjylland
Feyenoord vs Zorya
Grasshoppers Zurich vs Club Bruges
Real Sociedad vs Krasnodar
Rijeka vs Sheriff
   60. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 08, 2014 at 12:22 PM (#4767115)
Tata Martino lands on his feet--takes over the Argentina job.
   61. Swedish Chef Posted: August 08, 2014 at 01:08 PM (#4767156)
Maradona wasn't happy at not being considered yesterday:

"The team has no coach. I played for Argentina. If Brazil called Dunga, why didn't Argentina call me?" he told Ole.

"Anyway, I'm happy in Dubai and I don't have to kneel before anyone."

   62. I am going to be Frank Posted: August 08, 2014 at 01:28 PM (#4767181)
Looks like Barcelona finally bought an actual central defender. I remember him putting Andy Carroll in his back pocket the one time both guys were healthy to play against each other. He's injury-prone and has poor positioning but its a real CB!
   63. Commissioner Bud Black Beltre Hillman Posted: August 08, 2014 at 02:21 PM (#4767218)
Nice to see Arsenal take a hard line with ManU and send Vermaelen overseas. Though now ManU will probably just buy someone better... but it's the principal!
   64. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 08, 2014 at 02:51 PM (#4767245)
Nice to see Arsenal take a hard line with ManU and send Vermaelen overseas.

Well, Barca paid over the odds which I think may have had something to do with it.

What does HE know, anyway.

It's a tough one. Is it better for Yedlin to play every week in MLS or to go to Spurs and fight for a spot in the 11? There seem to be these two Conventional Wisdoms about how a player gets the best out themselves that seems at complete odds with each other. I don't think we'll know just how good Yedlin is unless he takes a shot in Europe and while he's young, he's not that soccer young. Why not go for it? And, unlike Jozy going to Sunderland which I think we all saw as a terrible spot for him, Spurs with Pochettino as a manager seems an ideal spot. He won't have the pressure of being an immediate starter and Pochettino has a great reputation for nurturing defenders. Anyway, the rumor has gone quiet after all the reports yesterday. We shall see.
   65. PepTech Posted: August 08, 2014 at 03:36 PM (#4767298)
Spurs with Pochettino as a manager seems an ideal spot. He won't have the pressure of being an immediate starter and Pochettino has a great reputation for nurturing defenders
Unless they loan him out. Does the player have any control over where he is loaned? Could there be something in the contract that says he can be loaned to, say, Italy, or a Championship team, but not Greece or Poland or something?

I mean, you'd think Spurs would want to send him somewhere that will bring him along, not bury him somewhere, I get that, I'm just wondering if historically the player has any refusal rights over loans.
   66. Swedish Chef Posted: August 08, 2014 at 03:41 PM (#4767309)
Villa has signed Cissokho

He's probably best known for failing a medical at Milan with a bad tooth when they wanted an excuse to back out of a deal with Porto.

   67. Swedish Chef Posted: August 08, 2014 at 03:48 PM (#4767316)
Does the player have any control over where he is loaned? Could there be something in the contract that says he can be loaned to, say, Italy, or a Championship team, but not Greece or Poland or something?

A player can't be moved against his will, so they can say no to any loan, and it's not particularly uncommon for them to want to stay and fight for their place.
   68. PepTech Posted: August 08, 2014 at 03:52 PM (#4767328)
"Not uncommon" - so can I infer from that statement that there is no stigma attached to a refusal? No reputation for being a lousy team player or anything?

Not really talking about Yedlin, I'm just interested. I've always wondered how much "influence" the player has about these things. Can they request a loan, like they request a trade? And while I'm on that topic, is requesting (or demanding) a trade/transfer (or loan, if possible) any more or less binding than such a declaration in, say, the NFL?
   69. Swedish Chef Posted: August 08, 2014 at 03:52 PM (#4767329)
And then there's Winston Bogarde, who would rather scratch his ass and collect 60K a week than play football.
   70. I am going to be Frank Posted: August 08, 2014 at 04:01 PM (#4767343)
What about Malouda, who trained with the U21 team his last season at Chelsea or David Bentley who I think played with the Spurs reserves for at least two years.
   71. Swedish Chef Posted: August 08, 2014 at 04:02 PM (#4767345)
"Not uncommon" - so can I infer from that statement that there is no stigma attached to a refusal? No reputation for being a lousy team player or anything?

Depends on the manager, players get sent to the youth team for less

Roberto Martinez says Apostolos Vellios has harmed his Everton FC chances by refusing to go out on loan
   72. Howling John Shade Posted: August 08, 2014 at 04:18 PM (#4767367)
And while I'm on that topic, is requesting (or demanding) a trade/transfer (or loan, if possible) any more or less binding than such a declaration in, say, the NFL?
I believe some contracts have a "loyalty bonus" clause. That money is forfeited if a player hands in an official transfer request. That said, the main leverage players have when trying to force a transfer seems to be refusing to train. Similar to the NFL, I suppose.
   73. ursus arctos Posted: August 08, 2014 at 04:31 PM (#4767385)
PSG's anticipated stroll to the French title gets off to a meh start at Reims, where the home side holds them to a 2-2 draw.

Zlatan scored both PSG goal, but also missed a penalty earned by his own dive), while PSG's "world class" defense looked as if they weren't fully back from vacation. Reims cleared two shots off the line in injury time.

A pair of friends were there, and were highly entertained.
   74. Random Transaction Generator Posted: August 08, 2014 at 04:33 PM (#4767386)
The Coach Lasso thing is great. That kind of character is right up Sudeikis' alley.
   75. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 08, 2014 at 04:45 PM (#4767398)
DeAndre Yidlin.

This really came out of left field. I'll need to watch some sounders games now.
   76. Howling John Shade Posted: August 08, 2014 at 05:15 PM (#4767431)
DeAndre Yidlin.
I was about to obnoxiously correct your spelling, and then my brain kicked in...
   77. Howling John Shade Posted: August 08, 2014 at 05:18 PM (#4767437)
Zlatan scored both PSG goal, but also missed a penalty earned by his own dive), while PSG's "world class" defense looked as if they weren't fully back from vacation. Reims cleared two shots off the line in injury time.

A pair of friends were there, and were highly entertained.
My main takeaway was that Zlatan's back tattoos look like something a drunk 3-year old would be proud of.
   78. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 09, 2014 at 07:05 AM (#4767635)
More Spurs news, and potentially big news is that. The rumor is the stadium construction will start very soon and be scheduled for completion for the 2016/17 season. 61K seats and Spurs will play the 2015/16 season at Milton Keynes. Plenty of room for all the American Outlaws to come watch the American Gareth Bale...

Continuing this summer's GK merry-go-round, Diego Lopez looks set for AC Milan.
   79. Swedish Chef Posted: August 09, 2014 at 08:55 AM (#4767646)
and Spurs will play the 2015/16 season at Milton Keynes.

Can't they borrow Wembley or something?
   80. ursus arctos Posted: August 09, 2014 at 09:17 AM (#4767649)
Yes, MK is a strange choice. It only holds 30,000 and isn't easily accessible by public transport (which is how the majority of Spurs fans get to WHL). And that's before you get to its association with the dreaded franchise. I have a feeling that this is going to run for a while.
   81. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 09, 2014 at 10:16 AM (#4767670)
I don't think wembley is a goer because it's limited to a certain number of events. Supposedly the dons stadium is designed to expand to 45 k in seating. No idea about public transport. The club would have to arrange a fleet of coaches or something. Too bad the OS isn't available. These are just strong rumors at this point. The spurs board does seem friendly with the dons, unfortunately. Not as bad as associating with dictators and such but pretty close!
   82. ursus arctos Posted: August 09, 2014 at 01:23 PM (#4767719)
Dunno, Shooty. I think your sources may be a bit off. They are only now expanding MK from 22,000 in order to host three Rugby World Cup matches in October 2015. Another 15k seems highly unlikely, especially as Franchise has never drawn more than 10k on average or sold out the current capacity. Then there's the question of what Spurs would do during the Rugby World Cup. Methinks this is typical MK boosterism at work.
   83. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: August 09, 2014 at 02:22 PM (#4767732)
09.20 BST Atletico Madrid are hoping to lure Roberto Soldado away from White Hart Lane on loan, but Tottenham are reluctant to let the Spanish striker leave as they already have a lack of options in attack.

The 29-year-old signed for Spurs last summer for a then club-record fee of 26 million pounds but failed to establish himself in North London, losing his place in the starting lineup during the second half of the campaign.

New coach Mauricio Pochettino is hopeful that he can conjure the best form out of Soldado but The Daily Telegraph says Tottenham are prepared to listen to offers and could be tempted to sell.


C'mon, just have done with it, sell him and buy Bony already ...
   84. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 09, 2014 at 03:13 PM (#4767755)

C'mon, just have done with it, sell him and buy Bony already ...

I wouldn't take this stuff too seriously. Soldado looked good again today and I think he fits Pochettino's system better than Bony. Spurs are going to do a lot of quick, intricate one touch passing in and around the box and Soldado is much better at that than Bony. Also, I've never seen a guy working so hard for a place in a squad than Lewis Holtby. I'm pretty sure he would have killed a man today if necessary. I think he's made the team. This new central Aaron Lennon is very interesting, too. I think we'll see infinite more through balls from Spurs this year than last year when we saw approximately zero. Eric Dier had a very nice debut, too. He looked very strong and composed.

Methinks this is typical MK boosterism at work.

Hopefully. The less we have to do with MKD the better.
   85. frannyzoo Posted: August 09, 2014 at 04:40 PM (#4767786)
Fun game here with Bastia and OM at 3-3 late. Hard not to root for Makalele as coach, regardless of one's feelings about Chelsea (or RM). Bielsa's reign at OM will be at reality show levels of unreality.
   86. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: August 09, 2014 at 07:25 PM (#4767843)
I think it would be completely ridiculous for Spurs to cut bait on Soldado, particularly on a loan where they're probably paying most of his salary anyway.
   87. frannyzoo Posted: August 09, 2014 at 07:50 PM (#4767851)
But Biff, if it keeps Torres from going to Atletico, it's a good idea. Not to mention I think Soldado would be a very good fit there.
   88. OPS+ Posted: August 09, 2014 at 09:50 PM (#4767870)
More Spurs news, and potentially big news is that. The rumor is the stadium construction will start very soon and be scheduled for completion for the 2016/17 season. 61K seats and Spurs will play the 2015/16 season at Milton Keynes. Plenty of room for all the American Outlaws to come watch the American Gareth Bale...


Concerning the new stadium, I took the WHL tour on Tuesday and the tour guide said that the plan right now is to build a three stand stadium behind the current stadium. They would open the stadium like that while they tear down the old stadium to give them room for the final side. She said that the new stadium would cut into the area where the stands currently are. She said they weren't sure exactly how this would all be accomplished, but this is currently the plan being discussed. Take it for what it's worth.
   89. The Kentucky Gentleman, Mark Edward Posted: August 09, 2014 at 11:45 PM (#4767900)
Joseph-Claude Gyau scored two goals for Dortmund's 2nd team in 3.Bundesliga today. The second goal is extra nice. Highlights are the second video down.
   90. I am going to be Frank Posted: August 10, 2014 at 08:32 AM (#4767940)
I'm up way too early, but Liverpool looks very good - Dortmund does not. Granted Dortmund isn't playing much of their best 11.
   91. frannyzoo Posted: August 10, 2014 at 10:45 AM (#4767965)
This thread seems to feel similarly to City when it comes to the Community Shield. Both are asleep.

I'm guessing everyone is like me, waiting for the day's real game between Norwich and Wolves. Go Canaries.
   92. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: August 10, 2014 at 11:19 AM (#4767974)
I've actually been watching the Shield. It's been surprisingly entertaining.
   93. ursus arctos Posted: August 10, 2014 at 12:20 PM (#4767994)
Meaningful matches being played in the Scottish second tier, which is one of the more intriguing leagues in Europe this year, given that it includes Ranger, Hearts, and Hibs. Yesterday, Hibs' keeper scored with a huge punt, while today Rangers thought that they had secured a home draw against Hearts with an injury time goal only for Hearts to get one of their own to win.
   94. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: August 10, 2014 at 04:11 PM (#4768117)
Didn't see the BVB v LFC game, but the build-up for the fourth goal was just gorgeous. If they can seal the Moreno deal and bring in one more striker, I'll be quite content with the summer's dealings.
   95. Howling John Shade Posted: August 10, 2014 at 11:12 PM (#4768312)
Yedlin not playing tonight for Seattle. Maybe Spurs are trying to get him to come now instead of January given that Walker will miss the beginning of the season?
   96. Sean Forman Posted: August 10, 2014 at 11:37 PM (#4768322)
I've been watching Euro soccer (mostly EPL) for three years now, so I think it's time I latch onto a team for real. I've narrowed it down to the following.

Arsenal - Wenger's zipper, Alexi Sanchez, enjoy Wilshere when healthy. In London so I'm probably more likely to see them in person than a team outside of London. active Philly community. Loathe Chelsea, so a good rivalry and my cousins have latched onto chelsea, so we could have a natural rivalry there. Decent chance to win title each season. Zelalem? Downside, I'm not a fan of the crest.

Man City - two titles since I started watching, really enjoyed watching them during the first title. Kind of cooled on them as I realize they were essentially the free spending Dodgers to United's Yankees. I hate United, so the rivalry is good. Really like Zabaleta, Aguero and Silva.

Liverpool - enjoyed them last year, strong history, red sox connection. Think highly of Rodgers, lots of homegrown players in roster. Attacking soccer.

Tottenham - peer pressure here, outside of the top squads so doesn't feel like front running, Yedlin? Like their uniforms.

I'm not really considering anyone else at the moment.

To decide I'm going to watch as many head to head matchups and see who I'm pulling for in each one.



   97. frannyzoo Posted: August 10, 2014 at 11:55 PM (#4768327)
Funny, I was considering your fandom question, Sean, and went off looking for reasons to like Crystal Palace. There aren't many under Pulis, as pointed out in this very fine piece published a few days ago in the WaPo by...wait for it....our very own "MCoA." It's quite good and illustrates just why watching Hull City and CP is like jabbing knitting needles in your eye repeatedly.

So Sean, don't root for Crystal Palace. I'm a huge fan of little parks and Selhurst looks perfect (I've never been there myself). Come to think of it, there is another small park London team in the EPL, again. But can anyone truly root for 'arry, Glen Hoddle or no?

Congrats to MCoA for the continued good work in the WaPo.
   98. J. Sosa Posted: August 11, 2014 at 07:22 AM (#4768344)
Uh oh. Looks like we need another emergency gathering of the P.A.B.S.T. (Pick anybody but Spurs Tribunal.) Still plenty of room on the Liverpool train Sean. Attractive soccer, Red Sox ties, distinguished fans such as Keith, Scott, and myself, cannibal free squad this season, you can't go wrong.

Keith I enjoyed that BVB match a lot. Dortmund was not playing their main guys, but when Sturridge is healthy I think Liverpool are going to be lethal even without Suarez. The problem is what happens if Sturridge isn't available. I agree that they have to pick up another striker. Lovren looked really good, Rodgers has been harping on lack of leadership at the back for a while. Lovren appears to be good at that role. I've seen wildly differing opinions of Lovren's ability, but he does seem to be an organizer which is much needed.

Fingers crossed on Manquillo too. He looked really good. I read something about Manquillo that might explain the strange two year loan. Supposedly Barcelona may have first option on him. I'm guessing Liverpool paid a substantial loan fee and will revisit how to get around the first option again in two years. If Moreno also comes in, I would be very happy with the pair of them as fullbacks.
   99. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 11, 2014 at 07:45 AM (#4768346)
To decide I'm going to watch as many head to head matchups and see who I'm pulling for in each one.

We'd love to have you onboard, of course. And, hey, White Hart Lane is a proper, small London stadium. And remember, latching onto a Sky 4 team is the equivalent of becoming a Yankees fan. Are you ready for the burden of self-entitlement?

Congrats to MCoA for the continued good work in the WaPo.

Hoo boy, you pissed off the Crystal Palace fans! I still like Palace, though, strictly through their tenuous connection to the history of paleontology.
   100. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: August 11, 2014 at 07:53 AM (#4768348)
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