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OT: The Soccer Thread August, 2014

Link to July Thread.

Fantasy Premier League. Code for BTF League is 585849-148849.


Aug. 4: Man U vs Liverpool (ICC Final), MLS Homegrown Team vs Timbers U23

Aug. 5: Champ. League Qualifiers, CONCACAF Champ. League (inc. Montral Impact vs FAS)

Aug. 6: UEFA Champ. League Qual., Nacional vs San Lorenzo (Lib. Final 1st Leg), MLS All Stars vs Bayern, Napoli vs Barcelona

Aug. 7: Europa League Qual., CONC. Champ. League

Aug, 8: LA Galaxy vs SJ Earthquakes, Reims vs PSG (Ligue 1 opener)

Aug. 9: Tottenham vs Schalke, RSL vs DC United, Col. Crew vs Toronto FC

Aug. 10: Man City vs Arsenal (Comm. Shield), Liverpool vs Dortmund (Friendly), Sounders vs Dynamo

Aug. 11: Carlisle United vs Derby (Cap. One Cup), Napoli vs PSG (Friendly)

Aug. 12: Real Madrid vs Sevilla (UEFA Super Cup), Man U vs Valencia (Friendly), Capital One Cup Round 1

Aug. 13: Dortmund vs Bayern (DFL Supercup), San Lorenzo vs Nacional (Liber. Final 2nd Leg), Capital One Cup Round 1

Aug. 15: Dynamo vs Union, Tijuana vs Chiapas, Queretaro vs Veracruz, Barcelona vs Leon (Friendly)

Aug. 16: PL Starts! Man U vs Swansea, Tottenham vs West Ham, Arsenal vs Crystal Palace, RSL vs Sounders

Aug. 17: Liverpool vs Southampton, Newcastle vs Man City, Bordeaux vs Monaco

Aug. 18: Burnley vs Chelsea

Aug. 19: Real Madrid vs Atletico Madrid (Supercopa Leg 1), CONCACAF Champ. League, Copasudamericana

Aug. 20: Rapids vs Galaxy, Sounders vs Earthquakes, CONCACAF Champ. League, Copasudamericana

Aug. 21: CONCACAF Champ. League, Copasudamericana

Aug. 22: Atletico Madrid vs Real Madrid (Supercopa Leg 2), Bayern vs Wolfsburg (Bund. Opener), Dallas vs RSL

Aug. 23: Everton vs Arsenal, Chelsea vs Leicester City, Dortmund vs Leverkusen, Sevilla vs Valencia (La Liga Opener)

Aug. 24: Tottenham vs QPR, Sunderland vs Man U, Timbers vs Sounders

Aug. 25: Man City vs Liverpool, Real Madrid vs Cordoba, Rayo Vallecano vs Atletico Madrid

Aug. 26: CONCACAF Champ. League, Copasudamericana

Aug. 27: LA Galaxy vs DC United, CONCACAF Champ. League, Copasudamericana

Aug. 28: Monaco vs Lille, CONCACAF Champ. League, Copasudamericana

Aug. 29: Augsburg vs Dortmund, Sporting KC vs H. Dynamo, Valencia vs Malaga, Tijuana vs Guadalajara

Aug. 30: Everton vs Chelsea, Schalke vs Bayern, Chievo vs Juventus (Serie A Opens), Roma vs Fiorentina

Aug. 31: Tottenham vs Liverpool, Leicester City vs Arsenal, Villareal vs Barcelona, Milan vs Lazio

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Link to July Thread.

Fantasy Premier League. Code for BTF League is 585849-148849.


Aug. 4: Man U vs Liverpool (ICC Final), MLS Homegrown Team vs Timbers U23

Aug. 5: Champ. League Qualifiers, CONCACAF Champ. League (inc. Montral Impact vs FAS)

Aug. 6: UEFA Champ. League Qual., Nacional vs San Lorenzo (Lib. Final 1st Leg), MLS All Stars vs Bayern, Napoli vs Barcelona

Aug. 7: Europa League Qual., CONC. Champ. League

Aug, 8: LA Galaxy vs SJ Earthquakes, Reims vs PSG (Ligue 1 opener)

Aug. 9: Tottenham vs Schalke, RSL vs DC United, Col. Crew vs Toronto FC

Aug. 10: Man City vs Arsenal (Comm. Shield), Liverpool vs Dortmund (Friendly), Sounders vs Dynamo

Aug. 11: Carlisle United vs Derby (Cap. One Cup), Napoli vs PSG (Friendly)

Aug. 12: Real Madrid vs Sevilla (UEFA Super Cup), Man U vs Valencia (Friendly), Capital One Cup Round 1

Aug. 13: Dortmund vs Bayern (DFL Supercup), San Lorenzo vs Nacional (Liber. Final 2nd Leg), Capital One Cup Round 1

Aug. 15: Dynamo vs Union, Tijuana vs Chiapas, Queretaro vs Veracruz, Barcelona vs Leon (Friendly)

Aug. 16: PL Starts! Man U vs Swansea, Tottenham vs West Ham, Arsenal vs Crystal Palace, RSL vs Sounders

Aug. 17: Liverpool vs Southampton, Newcastle vs Man City, Bordeaux vs Monaco

Aug. 18: Burnley vs Chelsea

Aug. 19: Real Madrid vs Atletico Madrid (Supercopa Leg 1), CONCACAF Champ. League, Copasudamericana

Aug. 20: Rapids vs Galaxy, Sounders vs Earthquakes, CONCACAF Champ. League, Copasudamericana

Aug. 21: CONCACAF Champ. League, Copasudamericana

Aug. 22: Atletico Madrid vs Real Madrid (Supercopa Leg 2), Bayern vs Wolfsburg (Bund. Opener), Dallas vs RSL

Aug. 23: Everton vs Arsenal, Chelsea vs Leicester City, Dortmund vs Leverkusen, Sevilla vs Valencia (La Liga Opener)

Aug. 24: Tottenham vs QPR, Sunderland vs Man U, Timbers vs Sounders

Aug. 25: Man City vs Liverpool, Real Madrid vs Cordoba, Rayo Vallecano vs Atletico Madrid

Aug. 26: CONCACAF Champ. League, Copasudamericana

Aug. 27: LA Galaxy vs DC United, CONCACAF Champ. League, Copasudamericana

Aug. 28: Monaco vs Lille, CONCACAF Champ. League, Copasudamericana

Aug. 29: Augsburg vs Dortmund, Sporting KC vs H. Dynamo, Valencia vs Malaga, Tijuana vs Guadalajara

Aug. 30: Everton vs Chelsea, Schalke vs Bayern, Chievo vs Juventus (Serie A Opens), Roma vs Fiorentina

Aug. 31: Tottenham vs Liverpool, Leicester City vs Arsenal, Villareal vs Barcelona, Milan vs Lazio

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   301. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: August 16, 2014 at 11:33 AM (#4772362)
Flop
   302. Howling John Shade Posted: August 16, 2014 at 11:42 AM (#4772365)
Interesting that Kane is Adebayor's replacement.
   303. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: August 16, 2014 at 11:50 AM (#4772372)
I'm not sure what Dier is doing to be in position to receive that pass, but I'll take it!
   304. I am going to be Frank Posted: August 16, 2014 at 11:51 AM (#4772373)
That was also very Spurs-y.
   305. Howling John Shade Posted: August 16, 2014 at 11:51 AM (#4772374)
wtf. Great debut.
   306. Howling John Shade Posted: August 16, 2014 at 11:55 AM (#4772377)
Not pretty at all, but nice to finally get one over on West Ham.
   307. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: August 16, 2014 at 11:55 AM (#4772379)
Love how they pushed up with Dier in the last few minutes instead of just settling for the nil-nil. He was dangerous two plays before the goal, then the goal. Great start.
   308. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: August 16, 2014 at 11:56 AM (#4772380)
Lovely, just lovely ugly ... but I'll take it!
   309. frannyzoo Posted: August 16, 2014 at 11:56 AM (#4772381)
Big late four-point swing in the battle for 4th (perhaps optimistically). Spurs also benefit from MUFC's continued decline. Good first day for your STF folks. Don't know if Palace can keep the run going, however.
   310. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 16, 2014 at 11:58 AM (#4772382)
Wow, jebus. I don't know what to say about that. Eric Dier, first game in the PL, starts at CB against the most physical team in the league, has to shift to RB, plays pretty well and scores the winner. Welcome to Spurs! ursus, I don't want to say your Benfica friend doesn't know anything about soccer, but Dier looks like a player to me.

Also, harsh on West Ham but they should have seized the game when they had the advantage. Typical Allardycian conservatism, there.
   311. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 16, 2014 at 11:59 AM (#4772384)
Wow, jebus. I don't know what to say about that. Eric Dier, first game in the PL, starts at CB against the most physical team in the league, has to shift to RB, plays pretty well and scores the winner. Welcome to Spurs! ursus, I don't want to say your Benfica friend doesn't know anything about soccer, but Dier looks like a player to me.

Also, harsh on West Ham but they should have seized the game when they had the advantage. Typical Allardycian conservatism, there.
   312. ursus arctos Posted: August 16, 2014 at 12:02 PM (#4772386)
Sometimes it's better to be lucky than good.

Great finish by Dier
   313. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 16, 2014 at 12:05 PM (#4772388)
Just watching LVG's post game interview. Man U better start winning or he's going to kill a poor Sky Sports flunky that has to interview him.
   314. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 16, 2014 at 12:06 PM (#4772389)
Sometimes it's better to be lucky than good.

Amen to that. No doubt West Ham were better today.
   315. ursus arctos Posted: August 16, 2014 at 12:08 PM (#4772391)
Only saw the last half hour, but Spurs did not look at all like a top six team.
There is a lot of work to do.
   316. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 16, 2014 at 12:12 PM (#4772393)
I see Naismith and McGeady scored for Everton. Roberto Martinez is the best Scottish manager since Jock Stein!
   317. Howling John Shade Posted: August 16, 2014 at 12:13 PM (#4772394)
It will be interesting to see what players end up fitting in with Pochettino's system. Eriksen didn't look terribly comfortable with the pressing, and Adebayor looked like he was going through the motions for large chunks of the game. Of course, the Naughton red makes it tough to draw too many conclusions.
   318. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 16, 2014 at 12:15 PM (#4772396)
There is a lot of work to do.

Yeah, and there are a lot of players coming back into the mix. I think the squad is what it is, though, since Schneiderlin and Musacchio look like they aren't coming. The Destro link seems the only warm one now and that doesn't seem likely, to be honest.
   319. I am going to be Frank Posted: August 16, 2014 at 12:16 PM (#4772397)
So hopefully a lot of goals in this afternoon match, right?
   320. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 16, 2014 at 12:17 PM (#4772398)
So hopefully a lot of goals in this afternoon match, right?

Sure, why not!
   321. Swedish Chef Posted: August 16, 2014 at 12:18 PM (#4772399)
Destro is such a perfect name for an action hero.
   322. Swedish Chef Posted: August 16, 2014 at 12:21 PM (#4772402)
Villa did pretty well with counterattacking. Now they only have to fend off clubs coming for Vlaar for a couple of weeks.
   323. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 16, 2014 at 12:35 PM (#4772407)
Destro is such a perfect name for an action hero.

Or a GI Joe villain...
   324. frannyzoo Posted: August 16, 2014 at 01:06 PM (#4772413)
Pulis out!

0-1 CP
   325. I am going to be Frank Posted: August 16, 2014 at 01:08 PM (#4772414)
Alexis is obviously talented but wow he is casual with the ball and does not track back.
   326. frannyzoo Posted: August 16, 2014 at 01:26 PM (#4772423)
Alexis is trying to do too much, which is understandable, but unfortunate. Maybe the assist will calm him down. He's never been at a big club AND been the central focus. I'm rooting for him, but he's been most definitely feeling the pressure in the 1st half.
   327. Mefisto Posted: August 16, 2014 at 05:58 PM (#4772511)
Destro is such a perfect name for an action hero.


He even has his own movie: Destro Rides Again.
   328. Swedish Chef Posted: August 17, 2014 at 08:15 AM (#4772717)
   329. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: August 17, 2014 at 09:43 AM (#4772733)
Oh what a beautiful goal.
   330. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: August 17, 2014 at 09:56 AM (#4772736)
Southampton have looked fantastic. I only started watching with the second half but they look like last years version.
   331. Swedish Chef Posted: August 17, 2014 at 09:57 AM (#4772737)
It's not too late for Liverpool to buy some more players from them.
   332. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: August 17, 2014 at 10:08 AM (#4772739)
One of the underrated aspects of Liverpool's off-season is how good Sturridge was during Suarez' absence last year. He's not going to make up for what Suarez did by himself but it wouldn't surprise me if he led the EPL in goals.
   333. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: August 17, 2014 at 10:10 AM (#4772740)
Man, they don't even need to change the nickname for Sturridge's goal-scoring partnership. Suarez and Sturridge is now Sturridge and Sterling.

Liverpool have played better since giving up the equalizer, but I feel they're a little lucky to be winning this match.
   334. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: August 17, 2014 at 10:18 AM (#4772743)
Given some of the dire predictions even if they don't equalize I think Southhampton has to come away from this game feeling very good about their team.
   335. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 17, 2014 at 10:53 AM (#4772754)
Samuel Eto’o holds transfer talks with Tottenham Hotspur

Metro, to put it mildly, is not a good source.

These early games are fun but we shouldn't draw any sweeping conclusions from them.
   336. Swedish Chef Posted: August 17, 2014 at 11:02 AM (#4772756)
These early games are fun but we shouldn't draw any sweeping conclusions from them.

I'm going to very disappointed if Aston Villa don't qualify for CL now.
   337. I am going to be Frank Posted: August 17, 2014 at 11:07 AM (#4772759)
These early games are fun but we shouldn't draw any sweeping conclusions from them.


I think we call agree that Chamakh still has terrible hair.
   338. frannyzoo Posted: August 17, 2014 at 12:38 PM (#4772814)
Been a woeful last couple of years for Fortuna Dusseldorf. Relegated from Bund. 1 and now beaten by the almighty Würzburger Kickers in the first round of the Pokal. Evidently Würzburger only qualified to play in the Pokal by winning last years's Bavarian Cup of amateur teams. Dusseldorf also lost in the 1st Round of the Pokal last year against mighty SC Wiedenbrück.
   339. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: August 17, 2014 at 02:38 PM (#4772897)
I'd love to see Liverpool's numbers with both Gerrard and Lucas on the field. I don't think both of them together work. What I find strange is how open Liverpool were despite playing those two. It's one thing if that's the trade-off you're making to create offense, but they largely were not creating chances.

Unrelated, but you guys have recommended Tor! before, right? I just got through Jonathan Wilson's Behind the Curtain(*) and am looking to add something else to the list.

(*) Can't recommend this enough, btw. Entertaining read.
   340. frannyzoo Posted: August 18, 2014 at 07:51 AM (#4773294)
MUFC getting di Maria because: A. Crisis!!!11!!; B. More importantly, if di Maria doesn't go anywhere, agents are deprived of fees for big names like Falcao and Cavani. It's all fine in my opinion, as I'm far from a MUFC fan. And in other transfer news (Soccernet):

Borussia Moenchengladbach wonderkid Sinan Kurt has turned his back on the club by stating his intentions to play for Bayern Munich.

Bastard pulled the same exact crap with me in FM2014 months ago. Bastard.

And the Spanish SuperCup is still two legs. Really? Really?
   341. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 18, 2014 at 09:19 AM (#4773315)
I am sympathetic to PSV fans...

But why is the banner in English? Does the PSV board not speak Dutch? I'm always suspicious about protest signs in foreign (non-English speaking) countries that are written in English.
   342. I am going to be Frank Posted: August 18, 2014 at 09:32 AM (#4773327)
Its obviously a publicity stunt, so an English banner is likely to garner attention from outside the Netherlands. I can't believe they have issues with wi-fi. Yes its only two hours, but people get texts, emails and like to tweet and post status updates.
   343. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: August 18, 2014 at 09:41 AM (#4773332)
Würzburger Kickers
A quick googling tells me they're a fourth division club with their own 15,000-capacity stadium.

That's wild. I can't imagine they need that kind of facility, but good for them, I guess.
   344. I am going to be Frank Posted: August 18, 2014 at 10:35 AM (#4773385)
United fans are somewhere between Three Mile Island and Fukushima on the "meltdown scale." If United lose this weekend and don't sign a player then its going to go past Fukushima and towards Chernobyl territory.

BTW has anyone seen this gif of Mata "defending"? I think this illustrates why Mourinho got rid of him and why he can't play wide.
   345. Adward Posted: August 18, 2014 at 11:39 AM (#4773452)
I think it was a halftime highlight that showed Mata covering Ki Sung-yeung in a central position before drifting wide to provide moral support to the many United players already converging on the ball. If avoiding national service came down to slipping past Mata the North Koreans would be catching some sun in Busan.
   346. J. Sosa Posted: August 18, 2014 at 11:40 AM (#4773454)
I was going to post about Lucas and Gerrard yesterday Keith but was too exasperated. It is not just you. IIRC there is reams of information showing how terrible Lucas and Gerrard are together post Lucas injury. I've seen the data before but I can't recall where I saw it. I just remember thinking that it was a textbook example of stats matching observation.

The truly vexing thing about Lucas and Gerrard together is what you note. Not only do they not generate offense, they are terrible defensively. The reason is that neither are mobile and neither have any stamina. I saw that starting lineup yesterday and almost threw the remote at the tv. Rodgers has to know that Lucas/Gerrard is a terrible idea right? I assumed that Can and Allen were not fit, but that does not appear to be the case.

Rodgers knew he almost got caught out which is why he was running on the field after that Sturridge goal. He knew he had screwed that match up.

As a man, I love Lucas. It is always dangerous inferring anything about a man's character from what little you can glean from the press, but Lucas has always struck me as a good man, maybe the best one on Liverpool's team. But he does not fit the way they play now. His natural instinct is to play a safe pass and he isn't physically capable of doing the up tempo pressing that Henderson, Can, Allen, and even Coutinho do for 90 minutes. His game was always guile and angles anyway and after the injury he lost whatever athletic margin he had. His limitations are more exposed playing with Gerrard. To be fair, he does decently if asked to fill in for Allen as long as Gerrard isn't on the field as well. But that is damning with faint praise.

As for Gerrard, he's a DH. A DH that spends way too much time forward in that particular setup. I love the man, but part of me will not be sad to see him go as the temptation for Rodgers to shoehorn him into the lineup remains too great. At this point in his career, he has no business playing the role he played yesterday. If he doesn't have mutliple sets of legs caddying for him he is a liability.
   347. ursus arctos Posted: August 18, 2014 at 11:43 AM (#4773458)
German lower league stadia tend to have relatively large capacities because they are primarily terracing for standing fans. Wuerzburg's stadium is of this sort; it only has 1,500 seats, and their record attendance seems to be around 8,000 (for a friendly with Kaiserslautern at the opening of the new ground).

On PSV, it wouldn't surprise me if the club's announcement of the Wi-Fi option had an English slogan. It's the kind of thing that is considered hip for marketing purposes.
   348. Flynn Posted: August 18, 2014 at 12:01 PM (#4773481)
It's the Netherlands, holding up a banner in English means you'll get foreign attention while losing .001% of Dutch viewers. Everybody speaks English there.
   349. JuanGone..except1game Posted: August 18, 2014 at 12:08 PM (#4773492)
I think it was a halftime highlight that showed Mata covering Ki Sung-yeung in a central position before drifting wide to provide moral support to the many United players already converging on the ball. If avoiding national service came down to slipping past Mata the North Koreans would be catching some sun in Busan.

Haha! Outstanding work there Adward!

But he does not fit the way they play now. His natural instinct is to play a safe pass and he isn't physically capable of doing the up tempo pressing that Henderson, Can, Allen, and even Coutinho do for 90 minutes. His game was always guile and angles anyway and after the injury he lost whatever athletic margin he had. His limitations are more exposed playing with Gerrard.

One of my favorite things about football is the fast paced evolution of tactics and roles. That tidy passing, holding MF role was once an important part of EPL clubs. The only in vogue player that I can think of like that is Barry at Everton, while the non-dynamic Scott Parker, John Obi, Carrick, Tiote types all at least seem to be on there way out or just see there role diminished.
   350. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 18, 2014 at 12:39 PM (#4773532)
What did you guys make of Brandao's stealth attack?
   351. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: August 18, 2014 at 01:03 PM (#4773578)
Via Uproxx:
Prepare yourself for one of the most amazing and one of the most disgusting things you will ever see. As Manchester United star Ashley Young yelled at teammates, something dropped from the sky. Something wet, something white, something I can’t quite put my finger on and OH MY GOD, I CAN’T STOP WATCHING.
Linky.
   352. ursus arctos Posted: August 18, 2014 at 01:18 PM (#4773605)
Brandao is unhinged and should be banned for a month or two (not for life, as PSG have asked).

In other depressing news, the first official act of the Tavecchio-led FIGC is to remove the ban on chants and banners amounting to "territorial discrimination" (i.e., accusing Neapolitans of carrying cholera, etc.).

It's going to be a long season.
   353. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 18, 2014 at 01:35 PM (#4773635)
Brandao is unhinged and should be banned for a month or two

I would think he gets a ban until 2015 at least. That was a calculated assault. In real life you get arrested for something like that.
   354. Howling John Shade Posted: August 18, 2014 at 01:46 PM (#4773662)
Speaking of arrested, Samuel Eto'o is apparently wanted for questioning by French police after his ex-girlfriend sued him for posting nude photos of her online.
   355. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 18, 2014 at 01:50 PM (#4773675)
   356. ursus arctos Posted: August 18, 2014 at 01:58 PM (#4773684)
Weird, the only report in French on the Eto'o thing that I can find is from a Francophone African site that is relying entirely on the Mirror.
   357. Howling John Shade Posted: August 18, 2014 at 02:00 PM (#4773689)
Weird, the only report in French on the Eto'o thing that I can find is from a Francophone African site that is relying entirely on the Mirror.
That is weird, especially because the Mirror cites "reports in France" as their source for the story.
   358. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 18, 2014 at 02:35 PM (#4773751)
Are you accusing an English tabloid of making shit up?
   359. Howling John Shade Posted: August 18, 2014 at 03:14 PM (#4773826)
Are you accusing an English tabloid of making #### up?
Reports in America suggest that the Mirror might suck donkey balls.
   360. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: August 18, 2014 at 03:15 PM (#4773827)
BURNLEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111ONEOONEONEONEONEONEONEONEONE

edit: Shite. Costa. Dammit.
   361. The Marksist Posted: August 18, 2014 at 03:22 PM (#4773841)
So, are Chelsea any good?
   362. JuanGone..except1game Posted: August 18, 2014 at 03:25 PM (#4773843)
Oh, that Cesc pass was sublime! Probably would have been the best pass of the entire season last year.
   363. Howling John Shade Posted: August 18, 2014 at 03:28 PM (#4773847)
Chelsea's front four are pretty terrifying at the moment.
   364. Howling John Shade Posted: August 18, 2014 at 03:31 PM (#4773855)
There's the Diego Costa we know and love. I have a feeling I'll find his act less charming at Chelsea.
   365. The Marksist Posted: August 18, 2014 at 03:31 PM (#4773856)
Man, I just viscerally don't like it when player intentionally drag the back leg to create contact like Diego Costa did there. Bugs me. I know that makes me an American philistine, but I can't help it.
   366. JuanGone..except1game Posted: August 18, 2014 at 03:33 PM (#4773861)
It was a clear penalty, I'm not sure what the beef is.
   367. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 18, 2014 at 03:40 PM (#4773869)
I didn't realize this, but Spurs have a player the die-hards like in the academy named Cameron Carter-Vickers and it turns out he's an American. I had no idea. He's missing the U21 game against West Ham today because he's been called up to play for the USA U-18 team.
   368. Howling John Shade Posted: August 18, 2014 at 03:40 PM (#4773870)
He dragged his leg to get the contact with the goalie, and he was going down before he got it. Yellow was definitely harsh and it might have been a penalty. I'd just rather see someone actually try to stay up and score.
   369. JuanGone..except1game Posted: August 18, 2014 at 03:43 PM (#4773873)
C'mon Darkness, we'll just have to agree to disagree. I'm not seeing the drag, though he could have gotten up after the fall.
   370. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: August 18, 2014 at 03:47 PM (#4773876)
Cameron Carter-Vickers and it turns out he's an American
He's a Jermaine Jones/Julian Green-style American. Born and raised in the UK, but has at least one American parent.

Beggars can't be choosers, and if he wants to play for the States I'm thrilled to have him...I'm just sayin', is all.
   371. Swedish Chef Posted: August 18, 2014 at 03:56 PM (#4773886)
After this round of the Swedish league, there are 7 teams within three points of the relegation playoff spot. As Mjällby (now featuring former international Christian Wilhelmsson) is trailing three points behind that in the first relegation spot, half of the league are part of the scrap.
   372. Howling John Shade Posted: August 18, 2014 at 03:56 PM (#4773887)
C'mon Darkness, we'll just have to agree to disagree. I'm not seeing the drag, though he could have gotten up after the fall.
Fair enough. :) Arguing about diving is rarely a rewarding experience, and even I will admit that one was debatable.
   373. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: August 18, 2014 at 04:04 PM (#4773896)
He's a Jermaine Jones/Julian Green-style American. Born and raised in the UK, but has at least one American parent.

Have we ever had a successful player of that sort? The only one I can think of is Zak Whitbread.
   374. JuanGone..except1game Posted: August 18, 2014 at 04:10 PM (#4773905)
That's why Courtois is in there. Still feel bad for Cech though.
   375. Flynn Posted: August 18, 2014 at 04:16 PM (#4773913)
Have we ever had a successful player of that sort? The only one I can think of is Zak Whitbread.


British, or in general? Because in general, Tom Dooley is one of the best half-dozen players the USA has ever had.
   376. ursus arctos Posted: August 18, 2014 at 04:18 PM (#4773916)
Crispix, I'm not sure what a "player of that sort" is exactly (are Carter-Vickers' parents together? is one of them in the military?), but Tom Dooley was really quite good for the USMNT (81 caps and captain in '98). And of course if you go back further, the number of non-US born and raised "stars" increases.

Edit: Coke for Flynn.
   377. frannyzoo Posted: August 18, 2014 at 04:41 PM (#4773939)
Good Schalke schadenfreude today, losing v. Dynamo Dresden. Whoscored doesn't show starting XI for Pokal games, so it might not have been quite the upset it appears. Still, Schalke schadenfreude is never to be passed up.
   378. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: August 18, 2014 at 04:48 PM (#4773950)
I meant a USMNT player who was basically a British player but US-eligible through parents. I can only think of German ones, and Earnie Stewart from Holland.
   379. ursus arctos Posted: August 18, 2014 at 05:38 PM (#4774020)
franny, team sheets Looks like a fairly decent Schalke side, Boateng and Huntelaar both started, and Draxler came on in the 52nd minute.

Crispix, yes, British/US dual citizens have been rare in the USMNT.
   380. ursus arctos Posted: August 18, 2014 at 06:54 PM (#4774073)
James Alexander Gordon has died.

I don't expect many of you to recognize the name, but Gordon was an absolute legend in British radio for what may sound like a very prosaic accomplishment. He read the football results on the BBC for 40+ years.

You can get a sense of how much he meant to British football from the tributes in the article I linked, or from this thread at When Saturday Comes.

The closest baseball comparison to JAG that I can think of is Stan Lomax, who had a 15 minute scoreboard show on WOR radio in New York for decades, but Lomax did more than just baseball and more than scores (he was a particular fan of alternate nicknames, as this young fan of the "Baby Bears" picked up almost immediately).
   381. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: August 18, 2014 at 07:24 PM (#4774092)
I don't expect many of you to recognize the name, but Gordon was an absolute legend in British radio for what may sound like a very prosaic accomplishment. He read the football results on the BBC for 40+ years.

I may not recognize the name, but I would recognize the voice anywhere.
   382. Richard Posted: August 18, 2014 at 08:40 PM (#4774132)
I don't expect many of you to recognize the name, but Gordon was an absolute legend in British radio for what may sound like a very prosaic accomplishment. He read the football results on the BBC for 40+ years.

RIP. I have fond memories of racing from the ground to the car so we could catch as many of the results as possible just after 5pm...
   383. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 19, 2014 at 07:37 AM (#4774303)
He's a Jermaine Jones/Julian Green-style American. Born and raised in the UK, but has at least one American parent.

Beggars can't be choosers, and if he wants to play for the States I'm thrilled to have him...I'm just sayin', is all.


Seems like the difference is that he's made his choice to play for the Nats at a young age and is coming up in the US system. We're not poaching him from another country's development system. I obviously don't know how good he is but Spurs "prospect" watchers are very high on him.
   384. frannyzoo Posted: August 19, 2014 at 07:52 AM (#4774306)
First legs today for Napoli, Arsenal and Leverkusen in CL playoff. Napoli got almost 40 million Euros last year in just not quite making the knock-out stage. I wonder which players become suddenly available if they don't get past Athletic Club?

And in Norwich news, "we" lose Leroy Fer and get Carlos Cuellar (allegedly). This relegation thing is hard, man, hard...
   385. Randy Jones Posted: August 19, 2014 at 08:39 AM (#4774311)
Marcos Rojo has said a deal to move to United has been agreed, but neither United nor Sporting Lisbon have made any statements on it.
   386. Swedish Chef Posted: August 19, 2014 at 09:32 AM (#4774334)
Palace have selected Malky Mackay, says the rumors at least. A sadly sensible choice, I so wanted them to hire Sherwood.
   387. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 19, 2014 at 10:21 AM (#4774364)
Sherwood would have been fun. Mackay will have them competing and losing and sliding to an inevitable relegation, sadly.

edit: I guess Mackay makes sense because of his relationship to Palace's DOF. Get all the guys who hate Vincent Tan together at one club.
   388. ursus arctos Posted: August 19, 2014 at 10:33 AM (#4774379)
Mackay was always the smart bet for just that reason. Though I think that Sherwood will be back within a year, either at a Premier League club like West Ham or a "big" Championship club.
   389. I am going to be Frank Posted: August 19, 2014 at 11:45 AM (#4774486)
So some good news regarding the Champions League viewing experience. Champions League will be available on ESPN3 (online) so no more having to pay extra for that Foxsoccer2go subscription. The article says for 68 out of the 72 group matches ESPN will stream. We are still stuck with Gus Johnson in the knockout rounds, but its better than the status quo.

Also Geoff Cameron has asked to leave Stoke. He doesn't want to play RB any more.
   390. JuanGone..except1game Posted: August 19, 2014 at 11:47 AM (#4774491)
Mackay was always the smart bet for just that reason. Though I think that Sherwood will be back within a year, either at a Premier League club like West Ham or a "big" Championship club.

Did Spurs fans come out of the Sherwood experience with a high/medium opinion of him or is my sarcasm detector not working this morning? While I'm a big fan of his gilet work, he seemed horribly out of his depth as a Prem manager. To me, he should be looking for a Championship job (and not a big one), but the inflation on English managers might be the same as for players.
   391. I am going to be Frank Posted: August 19, 2014 at 11:51 AM (#4774498)
My impression of the Sherwood experience was that it was entertaining (on and off the field) but was always going to end quickly. He still has the best record ever for a Spurs manager and tries to play "open" football. Management and fans get seduced by it, but unless you're Arsenal or City it usually isn't a recipe for success.
   392. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 19, 2014 at 11:57 AM (#4774508)
Did Spurs fans come out of the Sherwood experience with a high/medium opinion of him or is my sarcasm detector not working this morning?

I have a medium opinion, I guess. Tactically, he was all over the place and his disdain for a holding midfielder was kind of bizarre. Sometimes the wacky stuff he did worked like the first half against Chelsea when Kyle Walker playing on the right wing seemed to confuse the hell out of Chelsea (until Vertonghen's slip brought it all tumbling down). Other times there seemed to be no plan and either the team got creamed or the players were just so much better than the opposition they could still pull out a win. He wasn't quite the doofus he's made out to be, I think. Just very inexperienced. I think his greatest strength is that he has an eye for talent and the balls to play that talent no matter where they are on the club hierarchy--Kane and Bentaleb for example. The hard part to get a read on is his man management style. He's either a bull in a china shop when it comes to handling players or he just rub stars the wrong way because he's not afraid to play unknown kids if he thinks they're better. I think he could have used a spell as a top assistant just to get the hang of how to handle himself on the touchline and how to run training sessions, etc. before being thrown right into the job and, honestly, have no idea how he'll do at the next stop. He could be an Alan Pardew type where, when it works, it works really well, but when it doesn't it's a train wreck. I'm not sure I'd want my club to be the petri dish in the next Tim Sherwood experiment, I guess. A mild thumbs down from me.
   393. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 19, 2014 at 11:59 AM (#4774510)
Also Geoff Cameron has asked to leave Stoke. He doesn't want to play RB any more.

You know, Tottenham could do worse than Geoff Cameron at CB. The Musacchio deal is going to fall through so Plan B Levy!
   394. ursus arctos Posted: August 19, 2014 at 12:09 PM (#4774525)
My post was premised on the belief that there is a core of English clubs for whom Britishness, rapport with the tabloid press and "passion" trump all other considerations particularly tactical sophistication) when considering a managerial appointment.
   395. JuanGone..except1game Posted: August 19, 2014 at 12:27 PM (#4774550)
The hard part to get a read on is his man management style. He's either a bull in a china shop when it comes to handling players or he just rub stars the wrong way because he's not afraid to play unknown kids if he thinks they're better.

I completely agree with that, which is why he should go to the Championship. A young team that he wouldn't have to coddle would probably be best for his temperment. A team like Wigan, if Rosler moves on, would be a great place for him. But I can understand how that "open" football would be eniticing.
   396. Howling John Shade Posted: August 19, 2014 at 02:49 PM (#4774689)
Also Geoff Cameron has asked to leave Stoke. He doesn't want to play RB any more.
I wish he would have had the decency to tell me this before I drafted him for my fantasy team.

Re: Sherwood

Tactically he's a disaster. Maybe he'll get better over time, but I don't think I would be thrilled if I was a fan of the team that decided to let him learn more on the job. Spurs' performance last season is overrated by their points total. They won a number of games they were outplayed in. He does let youngsters play, and seems to have an eye for talent.



And oh mann, Demba Ba almost made me very happy just now...
   397. J. Sosa Posted: August 19, 2014 at 02:59 PM (#4774696)
Sherwood to West Ham is a good shout. The fans boo Big Sam even when he wins. I could see the Hammers going full Sherwood. Hey, I'd pay for a ticket.

I think the jury is still out on Mackay. I don't know whether he's good or not. I know MCoA had/has a low opinion of him but I think he may be an ok manager. Ok isn't going to get it done though. I don't think he's good enough to keep Palace up as constituted let's put it that way. Pulis moved the needle. I don't think Mackay would do that. At best I would say he's cromulent and cromulent was what Holloway aspired to be. Clarke would be a better hire but he's no good with the press.

I see Barcelona is keeping it classy boasting about the Suarez transfer fee. Lord knows they would never lie about a big ticket forward transfer. One of the many examples why if forced to choose between the La Liga giants I take Madrid. At least Madrid never pretend to be anything other than the Empire. Barcelona may have been more than a club at one time but that time is past.
   398. zack Posted: August 19, 2014 at 02:59 PM (#4774697)
The beginning of the Salzburg-Malmo game is like a hockey game. Both teams are going straight for goal, nobody has possession for more than 3 seconds at a time, and even a pretty good hipcheck was just thrown. Love having ESPN3 as an option, though the Napoli game is restricted to those who get deportes.
   399. ursus arctos Posted: August 19, 2014 at 03:00 PM (#4774698)
   400. Baldrick Posted: August 19, 2014 at 03:02 PM (#4774703)
Arsenal don't look like they're ready to start the season yet. I think this team could be pretty good, actually, but they sure don't look like it right now.
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