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OT: The Soccer Thread August, 2014

Link to July Thread.

Fantasy Premier League. Code for BTF League is 585849-148849.


Aug. 4: Man U vs Liverpool (ICC Final), MLS Homegrown Team vs Timbers U23

Aug. 5: Champ. League Qualifiers, CONCACAF Champ. League (inc. Montral Impact vs FAS)

Aug. 6: UEFA Champ. League Qual., Nacional vs San Lorenzo (Lib. Final 1st Leg), MLS All Stars vs Bayern, Napoli vs Barcelona

Aug. 7: Europa League Qual., CONC. Champ. League

Aug, 8: LA Galaxy vs SJ Earthquakes, Reims vs PSG (Ligue 1 opener)

Aug. 9: Tottenham vs Schalke, RSL vs DC United, Col. Crew vs Toronto FC

Aug. 10: Man City vs Arsenal (Comm. Shield), Liverpool vs Dortmund (Friendly), Sounders vs Dynamo

Aug. 11: Carlisle United vs Derby (Cap. One Cup), Napoli vs PSG (Friendly)

Aug. 12: Real Madrid vs Sevilla (UEFA Super Cup), Man U vs Valencia (Friendly), Capital One Cup Round 1

Aug. 13: Dortmund vs Bayern (DFL Supercup), San Lorenzo vs Nacional (Liber. Final 2nd Leg), Capital One Cup Round 1

Aug. 15: Dynamo vs Union, Tijuana vs Chiapas, Queretaro vs Veracruz, Barcelona vs Leon (Friendly)

Aug. 16: PL Starts! Man U vs Swansea, Tottenham vs West Ham, Arsenal vs Crystal Palace, RSL vs Sounders

Aug. 17: Liverpool vs Southampton, Newcastle vs Man City, Bordeaux vs Monaco

Aug. 18: Burnley vs Chelsea

Aug. 19: Real Madrid vs Atletico Madrid (Supercopa Leg 1), CONCACAF Champ. League, Copasudamericana

Aug. 20: Rapids vs Galaxy, Sounders vs Earthquakes, CONCACAF Champ. League, Copasudamericana

Aug. 21: CONCACAF Champ. League, Copasudamericana

Aug. 22: Atletico Madrid vs Real Madrid (Supercopa Leg 2), Bayern vs Wolfsburg (Bund. Opener), Dallas vs RSL

Aug. 23: Everton vs Arsenal, Chelsea vs Leicester City, Dortmund vs Leverkusen, Sevilla vs Valencia (La Liga Opener)

Aug. 24: Tottenham vs QPR, Sunderland vs Man U, Timbers vs Sounders

Aug. 25: Man City vs Liverpool, Real Madrid vs Cordoba, Rayo Vallecano vs Atletico Madrid

Aug. 26: CONCACAF Champ. League, Copasudamericana

Aug. 27: LA Galaxy vs DC United, CONCACAF Champ. League, Copasudamericana

Aug. 28: Monaco vs Lille, CONCACAF Champ. League, Copasudamericana

Aug. 29: Augsburg vs Dortmund, Sporting KC vs H. Dynamo, Valencia vs Malaga, Tijuana vs Guadalajara

Aug. 30: Everton vs Chelsea, Schalke vs Bayern, Chievo vs Juventus (Serie A Opens), Roma vs Fiorentina

Aug. 31: Tottenham vs Liverpool, Leicester City vs Arsenal, Villareal vs Barcelona, Milan vs Lazio

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Link to July Thread.

Fantasy Premier League. Code for BTF League is 585849-148849.


Aug. 4: Man U vs Liverpool (ICC Final), MLS Homegrown Team vs Timbers U23

Aug. 5: Champ. League Qualifiers, CONCACAF Champ. League (inc. Montral Impact vs FAS)

Aug. 6: UEFA Champ. League Qual., Nacional vs San Lorenzo (Lib. Final 1st Leg), MLS All Stars vs Bayern, Napoli vs Barcelona

Aug. 7: Europa League Qual., CONC. Champ. League

Aug, 8: LA Galaxy vs SJ Earthquakes, Reims vs PSG (Ligue 1 opener)

Aug. 9: Tottenham vs Schalke, RSL vs DC United, Col. Crew vs Toronto FC

Aug. 10: Man City vs Arsenal (Comm. Shield), Liverpool vs Dortmund (Friendly), Sounders vs Dynamo

Aug. 11: Carlisle United vs Derby (Cap. One Cup), Napoli vs PSG (Friendly)

Aug. 12: Real Madrid vs Sevilla (UEFA Super Cup), Man U vs Valencia (Friendly), Capital One Cup Round 1

Aug. 13: Dortmund vs Bayern (DFL Supercup), San Lorenzo vs Nacional (Liber. Final 2nd Leg), Capital One Cup Round 1

Aug. 15: Dynamo vs Union, Tijuana vs Chiapas, Queretaro vs Veracruz, Barcelona vs Leon (Friendly)

Aug. 16: PL Starts! Man U vs Swansea, Tottenham vs West Ham, Arsenal vs Crystal Palace, RSL vs Sounders

Aug. 17: Liverpool vs Southampton, Newcastle vs Man City, Bordeaux vs Monaco

Aug. 18: Burnley vs Chelsea

Aug. 19: Real Madrid vs Atletico Madrid (Supercopa Leg 1), CONCACAF Champ. League, Copasudamericana

Aug. 20: Rapids vs Galaxy, Sounders vs Earthquakes, CONCACAF Champ. League, Copasudamericana

Aug. 21: CONCACAF Champ. League, Copasudamericana

Aug. 22: Atletico Madrid vs Real Madrid (Supercopa Leg 2), Bayern vs Wolfsburg (Bund. Opener), Dallas vs RSL

Aug. 23: Everton vs Arsenal, Chelsea vs Leicester City, Dortmund vs Leverkusen, Sevilla vs Valencia (La Liga Opener)

Aug. 24: Tottenham vs QPR, Sunderland vs Man U, Timbers vs Sounders

Aug. 25: Man City vs Liverpool, Real Madrid vs Cordoba, Rayo Vallecano vs Atletico Madrid

Aug. 26: CONCACAF Champ. League, Copasudamericana

Aug. 27: LA Galaxy vs DC United, CONCACAF Champ. League, Copasudamericana

Aug. 28: Monaco vs Lille, CONCACAF Champ. League, Copasudamericana

Aug. 29: Augsburg vs Dortmund, Sporting KC vs H. Dynamo, Valencia vs Malaga, Tijuana vs Guadalajara

Aug. 30: Everton vs Chelsea, Schalke vs Bayern, Chievo vs Juventus (Serie A Opens), Roma vs Fiorentina

Aug. 31: Tottenham vs Liverpool, Leicester City vs Arsenal, Villareal vs Barcelona, Milan vs Lazio

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   701. J. Sosa Posted: August 27, 2014 at 06:18 PM (#4780322)
I was only the emergency goalie. Maybe that explains the difference.
   702. ursus arctos Posted: August 27, 2014 at 06:28 PM (#4780325)
Well, I also fooled around as a hockey goalie, so perhaps I just wanted to keep the roles distinct in my mind.
   703. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: August 27, 2014 at 06:32 PM (#4780327)
I had a soccer dad bomb in on my conversation with someone else to correct my use of the term "goalie". He said hockey has goalies, soccer has goalkeepers.

As a "soccer dad", and therefore presumably American, he must be quite the hipster to have this opinion. We always said "goalie" in youth soccer in the US.

What soccer does not have is goaltenders. That word is wrong.
   704. J. Sosa Posted: August 27, 2014 at 06:41 PM (#4780331)
I only came close to actually playing in anger between the sticks once, it looked like almost to game time I'd have to play. Much to my relief, the second string guy was able to make it in time.

I couldn't defend a corner or a cross to save my life and my instinct was always to take someone out the few times I played there in practice. Had I played I probably would have gotten sent off in the first half.

I did ok at stopping shots and I could punt better than the starter, but I never got the hang of those stupid corners. It makes me sympathetic when commentators criticize the keeper for flapping. I was a flapper.

As for the terms, I generally use keeper and goalie interchangeably. I've never encountered anyone that does differently, even the Scottish and Italian dudes at the academy. It could be that they have joined the collective and given up. Resistance is futile.
   705. PepTech Posted: August 27, 2014 at 07:00 PM (#4780342)
It also helps explain why the position is usually shortened to GK as opposed to simply G. I have no problem differentiating between the two if appropriate, but it's a slippery slope to pedantry.

Yes, this was in the 'burbs of Seattle, and his kid was presumably the, ah, netminder.

Does soccer have any phrasing comparable to "tools of ignorance"? Some old-timey lore that would be cool to know?
   706. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: August 27, 2014 at 07:02 PM (#4780344)
Ludogorets also only got to extra time with an 89th minute equalizer. Unlikely circumstances!
   707. ursus arctos Posted: August 27, 2014 at 07:04 PM (#4780345)
Well, there's the whole legend of the "bootroom" particularly at Anfield.
   708. frannyzoo Posted: August 27, 2014 at 07:05 PM (#4780346)
I find the UEFA CL/Europa coefficients interesting and unfathomable. Note where Athletic is/was relative to Napoli, but better is Maribor's 16.20 v. Celtic's 36.8. How do ya like them apples, Celtic fan? Legia, meanwhile, is/was 15 and change. Bwhahahahaha....
   709. Commissioner Bud Black Beltre Hillman Posted: August 27, 2014 at 07:11 PM (#4780350)
England callups from both norf london squads -- Rose and Chambers, along with Stones from Everton.
   710. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: August 27, 2014 at 07:29 PM (#4780365)
I played keeper for an intramural soccer team in college. Primarily because I was the only one who volunteered.
   711. frannyzoo Posted: August 27, 2014 at 07:48 PM (#4780381)
Just caught up with the Cosmin Moti frenzy, post-J-O-B. That is simply stupendous.
   712. ursus arctos Posted: August 27, 2014 at 08:10 PM (#4780390)
If one cares to understand how the coefficients work, and how they are developing in any given season, Bert Kassies' site explains it all
   713. frannyzoo Posted: August 27, 2014 at 08:16 PM (#4780393)
Ursus: I want to thank you, but I also wonder if your link will take up the remainder of my evening. Oh well, let's dive in...
   714. frannyzoo Posted: August 27, 2014 at 08:28 PM (#4780401)
My homework so far shows this (i.e., Legia can still draw Celtic in Group Stage):

Oops, I wondered if the formatting would get lost. Check the link Ursus provided above. My particular favorite ping-pong ball draw would be a group of: Sevilla, Celtic, Everton and Legia Warzawa. And it could happen! Torino is in Pot 4, Shooty, which might mean Spurs, Everton and who knows who else.

   715. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: August 27, 2014 at 08:44 PM (#4780416)
Champions League Pots:

Pot 1
Real Madrid (Spain)
Barcelona (Spain)
Bayern Munich (Germany)
Chelsea (England)
Benfica (Portugal)
Atletico Madrid (Spain)
Arsenal (England)
FC Porto (Portugal)

----------------------

Pot 2
Schalke (Germany)
Borussia Dortmund (Germany)
Juventus (Italy)
Paris Saint-Germain (France)
Shakhtar Donetsk (Ukraine)
FC Basel (Switzerland)
Zenit St Petersburg (Russia)
Man City (England)

---------------------

Pot 3
Bayer Leverkusen (Germany)
Olympiakos (Greece)
CSKA Moscow (Russia)
Ajax (Netherlands)
Liverpool (England)
Sporting Lisbon (Portugal)
Galatasaray (Turkey)
Athletic Bilbao (Spain)

---------------------

Pot 4
Anderlecht (Belgium)
AS Roma (Italy)
APOEL Nicosia (Cyprus)
BATE Borisov (Belarus)
Ludogorets Razgrad (Bulgaria)
NK Maribor (Slovenia)
Malmo (Sweden)
AS Monaco (France)
   716. Richard Posted: August 27, 2014 at 08:48 PM (#4780420)
In England "keeper" is more commonly used than "goalie", in my experience, though you do hear both. I have never heard anyone say one or the other is "correct".

This new season is my 10th in a row as regular keeper, and I've done it for about 25 seasons in total. You don't have to be as fit to stay in the side...

What is the furthest that a bottom-rung team has advanced in the FA Cup?
Or, which team has played further into the tournament than any other, given their league level?


Since the cup was reorganised in the 1920s into its present format:

- teams from the 2nd tier have reached the final (Last in 2008, Cardiff) and won the cup (last in 1980, West Ham)
- teams from the 3rd tier (current league 1) have reached the semi final 10 times (last in 2014, Sheffield United) but none of them have got to the final.
- teams from the 4th tier (current league 2) have reached the quarter final, ie the last 8, but none have got to the semis.
- no non league teams (tier 5 and below)have got further than the fifth round, ie the last 16. Crawley Town was the last to do this in 2011.

the lowest ranked team to reach the 3rd round, ie the last 64 where the PL and Championship sides join, is Chasetown, who were playing in the South Midlands League - 8th tier - when they got there in 2008.
   717. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: August 28, 2014 at 07:17 AM (#4780654)
Possible Group of Death:

Real Madrid
Dortmund
Liverpool
Roma

That colud be the toughest group ever, no?

Danny Rose: From whipping boy to an England call up in just two games! Is Hodgson finally going to cast a wider net to build a more functional team or is calling up guys like Colback, Rose and Delph just for show?
   718. Swedish Chef Posted: August 28, 2014 at 07:36 AM (#4780657)
That colud be the toughest group ever, no?

The Group of Meh:
Benfica¨
Shakhtar
Olympiakos
Maribor
   719. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: August 28, 2014 at 07:55 AM (#4780660)
Platini won't run for FIFA president so Blatter moves a little closer to running unopposed. He's already been endorsed by 5 of the 6 confeds (thanks Gulati!) so get ready for lots more Sepp.
   720. ursus arctos Posted: August 28, 2014 at 08:28 AM (#4780670)
Makes sense from Platini's perspective, as he has time on his side and is best served by staying out of FIFA while they deal with the Qatar mess (not to mention what are likely to be increased calls to take 2018 away from a UEFA country given their abandonment of any pretense about the invasion).
   721. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: August 28, 2014 at 08:34 AM (#4780672)
Makes sense from Platini's perspective, as he has time on his side and is best served by staying out of FIFA while they deal with the Qatar mess (not to mention what are likely to be increased calls to take 2018 away from a UEFA country given their abandonment of any pretense about the invasion).

Russia and Qatar have worked out as well as possible. Well done FIFA!
   722. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: August 28, 2014 at 09:06 AM (#4780676)
We should organize ourselves into a team and join Serie B. Who's with me?
   723. Juilin Sandar to Conkling Speedwell (Arjun) Posted: August 28, 2014 at 10:41 AM (#4780741)
Of course, Cosmin Moti (the Ludogorets defender/keeper) is Romanian, and came up with Dinamo, Steaua's bitter rivals. He urged Dinamo supporters to come to the game in Bucharest to support Ludogorets.

A Romanian friend of mine is a huge Dinamo fan and he's over the moon right now.
In England "keeper" is more commonly used than "goalie", in my experience, though you do hear both. I have never heard anyone say one or the other is "correct".

Neither have I. "Keeper" is definitely the more common vernacular, but I've never heard of "goalie" being "wrong" or anything like that.
   724. I am going to be Frank Posted: August 28, 2014 at 11:11 AM (#4780781)
I mean its essentially fact that there is an "English" premium, but this pretty much cements it.. Someone wants to pay 8M for Tom Cleverley!
   725. Random Transaction Generator Posted: August 28, 2014 at 11:24 AM (#4780793)
I only came close to actually playing in anger between the sticks once, it looked like almost to game time I'd have to play.


For the first 12 years of my playing career (house league, rec league), I was a mid-fielder.
Then, in the last year I played before heading off to university, I played keeper (because no one else would).
From then on, I was nothing but a keeper during university and post-graduation (playing on my wife's co-ed university rec league teams).
(I played for 6 more years, and then she graduated (a 3rd bachelor degree, and then a masters) and ended our options to play.)

I really enjoyed playing that position. My definite weakness (other than advancing age the last couple of years) was not being aggressive enough on corner kicks (sitting on my line), and trying to react to the header. My strength was my quickness when I did decide to move. On clear chances, I would dash out faster than the opponent would expect and kill the chance before it developed. My highlight as a keeper was rushing out to intercept a cross to the top of the box, and then rolling the ball forward and taking off down the pitch. I was faster than the midfielders (who were taken aback and assumed I would pass it), and would have had a shot on net if I wasn't fouled from behind by the last defender. Then my wife took the free kick from outside the box, and drilled a low heavy shot that slipped by everyone and just inside the far post (her only goal during regulation in the 6 years we played together).

If I were to play again, it would probably be as a keeper (as my endurance level has bottomed-out recently).
   726. I am going to be Frank Posted: August 28, 2014 at 11:42 AM (#4780808)
I just want Liverpool to draw Barcelona and hope that Suarez will be eligible for the fixtures.
   727. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: August 28, 2014 at 12:04 PM (#4780832)
Barca Juve Monaco. I want glory. Bring it.
   728. PepTech Posted: August 28, 2014 at 12:09 PM (#4780834)
Ooh, Benfica is in Group C.

This is riveting.
   729. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: August 28, 2014 at 12:18 PM (#4780840)
I just realized there are no Italian teams in Pot 1. Fact #357 about the decline of Italian soccer.
   730. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: August 28, 2014 at 12:19 PM (#4780842)
Heh, groups are already lopsided. Man City-Bayern and Barcelona-PSG compared to Benfica-Zenit and Porto-Shakhtar.
   731. PepTech Posted: August 28, 2014 at 12:20 PM (#4780844)
Obviously MC couldn't be with Arsenal or Chelsea, but why couldn't they have drawn against either Madrid team?
   732. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: August 28, 2014 at 12:20 PM (#4780845)
Man City get Bayern again!
   733. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: August 28, 2014 at 12:22 PM (#4780848)
Arsenal get Dortmund again! This draw is very dejas vu.
   734. I am going to be Frank Posted: August 28, 2014 at 12:28 PM (#4780855)
Liverpool gets Madrid and Basel.
   735. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: August 28, 2014 at 12:30 PM (#4780857)
Ajax seem to be obligated to draw Barca every year.
   736. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: August 28, 2014 at 12:37 PM (#4780863)
A very manageable group for Liverpool.
   737. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: August 28, 2014 at 12:43 PM (#4780866)
Pretty easy draws for all the England clubs so far. Roma still out there for City, though...
   738. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: August 28, 2014 at 12:45 PM (#4780869)
Group E gets the Group of Death tag. Nothing is easy for Man City again.
   739. J. Sosa Posted: August 28, 2014 at 12:45 PM (#4780870)
I would make a longer post but I'm too winded from running around the office waving my shirt in the air.

edit to add: Boo Glory. Yay survive and advance. Having said that, I now fully anticipate Lutogrets advancing past Liverpool to the knockout stage.
   740. Juilin Sandar to Conkling Speedwell (Arjun) Posted: August 28, 2014 at 12:46 PM (#4780871)
Group A: Atletico Madrid, Juventus, Olympiacos, Malmo
Group B: Real Madrid, Basel, Liverpool, Ludogorets
Group C: Benfica, Zenit, Bayer Leverkusen, Monaco
Group D: Arsenal, Borussia Dortmund, Galatasaray, Anderlecht
Group E: Bayern Munich, Manchester City, CSKA Moscow, Roma
Group F: Barcelona, PSG, Ajax, Apoel
Group G: Chelsea, Schalke, Sporting Lisbon, Maribor
Group H: Porto, Shakhtar Donetsk, Athletic Bilbao, Bate Borisov

Poor Apoel.
   741. ursus arctos Posted: August 28, 2014 at 12:49 PM (#4780874)
Brutal draw for Roma, who were the best team in the fourth pot.

Ajax have been drawn with either Barcelona or Real Madrid in each of the last six seasons.
   742. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: August 28, 2014 at 12:56 PM (#4780881)
Why do Chelsea always get a cake draw?
   743. Juilin Sandar to Conkling Speedwell (Arjun) Posted: August 28, 2014 at 01:00 PM (#4780886)
   744. ursus arctos Posted: August 28, 2014 at 01:05 PM (#4780887)
Shooty, because Ferguson isn't at Manchester United anymore.
   745. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: August 28, 2014 at 01:07 PM (#4780889)
Shooty, because Ferguson isn't at Manchester United anymore.

Heh!
   746. just plain joe Posted: August 28, 2014 at 01:38 PM (#4780902)
We should organize ourselves into a team and join Serie B. Who's with me?


I'm in, as long as we play our home games in some cool location and not some Italian sh*t hole. I'm too old and out of shape to really play soccer; I want to be the guy that holds the signboard up with substitutes' numbers and stoppage time. That seems like it would be a pretty easy gig.
   747. frannyzoo Posted: August 28, 2014 at 01:47 PM (#4780914)
I say we spend the 14 dollars it would take to buy this club and petrodollar our way to Serie B. A hundred or so petrodollars should do it. If the schedule aligns, we could get some serious cash from a yo-yo club like Livorno or Bari to take a season-ending dive.

Edit: RSO didn't wanna play in your stupid Europa League anyhow.
   748. Spivey Posted: August 28, 2014 at 01:53 PM (#4780917)
How do Porto and Benfica stay Pot 1 teams as well as keep getting easy ass groups? I checked the last couple of years and they had pretty easy groups then too and generally were pretty meh.

I guess their groups are always going to look easy this year by the very fact they're in them. Still, would be been nice to see Roma paired up with one of them.
   749. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: August 28, 2014 at 02:35 PM (#4780959)
I want to be the guy that holds the signboard up with substitutes' numbers and stoppage time. That seems like it would be a pretty easy gig.

That would be the 4th official... not actually part of a team.
   750. Swedish Chef Posted: August 28, 2014 at 02:50 PM (#4780972)
That would be the 4th official... not actually part of a team.

Well, this is Italy so that may be negotiable.
   751. ursus arctos Posted: August 28, 2014 at 03:22 PM (#4780991)
Porto are actually at the bottom of pot 1, and could be in danger of dropping into pot 2 next season unless they do well this season (Schalke and Dortmund were at the top of pot 2 this time around). Of course, getting an easy group tends to result in a club gaining coefficient points, which improves their pot position, which . . . And Portugal's country coefficient (which accounts for a quarter of the total) has been improving lately. Portugal recently passed Italy, and given Italian clubs' miserable start to this campaign, that ranking is only likely to become more well established this season.

franny, I think it would take more than 10 euro to buy Como (though I admire the choice, particularly given Joe's criterion).
   752. J. Sosa Posted: August 28, 2014 at 03:24 PM (#4780993)
Chef beat me to it.

With a little investment and incentives for our opponents I expect us to rocket up the ranks to Serie B.
   753. Swedish Chef Posted: August 28, 2014 at 03:50 PM (#4781020)
Leeds sack Hockaday, probably the first manager casualty of the League Cup ever.
   754. ursus arctos Posted: August 28, 2014 at 03:53 PM (#4781025)
Olympique Lyon, Real Sociedad, Lokomotiv Moscow and FC Twente all recent participants in the Champions League who have been turfed out of the Europa League by "lesser" opposition before things really got going.
   755. just plain joe Posted: August 28, 2014 at 04:00 PM (#4781039)
That would be the 4th official... not actually part of a team.


My bad, I didn't realize the fourth official had to do his own sign work. I thought the team had to supply someone to hold up the sign for him.
   756. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: August 28, 2014 at 04:09 PM (#4781051)
Feyenoord - FC Zorya Luhansk appears to have been a crazy one. Feyenoord score 3 goals by the 48th minute and take a seemingly comfortable 4-1 lead in the tie. However, Zorya score 3 times to level the tie at 4-4 and would progress on away goals...except Feyenoord scored in the 92nd minute to progress.
   757. Howling John Shade Posted: August 28, 2014 at 04:18 PM (#4781061)
Sandro/Dembele/Paulinho is a really clunky midfield three, but I guess this is the sort of game to trot it out.
   758. ursus arctos Posted: August 28, 2014 at 04:38 PM (#4781088)
Torino are in an European competition proper for the first time in 20 years.

Some historical big boys have had emphatic victories today. Gladbach 7-0 over Sarajevo, Inter 6-0 over Strajnan, Villarreal 4-0 up over Astana with time to play.

There's absolutely nothing that could be dodgy about that Feyenoord game, is there? I'd like to see the betting patterns.
   759. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: August 28, 2014 at 04:44 PM (#4781095)
Forza Torino! COYS!

Too bad about Hull, though. I'm shocked Sociedad are out with all the success Spanish teams have had in this tournament lately. My dream draw for the next round has nothing to do with Spurs or Torino, though--Celtic and Legia Warsaw!
   760. ursus arctos Posted: August 28, 2014 at 05:19 PM (#4781125)
Reports that Madrid have signed Falcao, which is just silly.
   761. Swedish Chef Posted: August 28, 2014 at 05:20 PM (#4781126)
Leicester have signed Cambiasso, which is also silly.
   762. The Kentucky Gentleman, Mark Edward Posted: August 28, 2014 at 05:29 PM (#4781133)
Shinji Kagawa is apparently heading back to Dortmund. I am happy about that.
   763. I am going to be Frank Posted: August 28, 2014 at 05:37 PM (#4781137)
I am too... its a shame he never worked out at United, but the Van Persie signing screwed him over and he never had a place where he could play.
   764. Howling John Shade Posted: August 28, 2014 at 07:16 PM (#4781198)
At least one fan hasn't abandoned Manchester United...

Who is the most embarrassing fan for each team?

Bin Laden for Arsenal (runners up Piers Morgan/Fidel Castro). Franco for Real Madrid? Arkan for Red Star. Mussolini for Bologna.
   765. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: August 28, 2014 at 07:28 PM (#4781206)
Bin Laden for Arsenal (runner up Piers Morgan).


You have that backwards.
   766. Swedish Chef Posted: August 28, 2014 at 07:32 PM (#4781210)
Who is the most embarrassing fan for each team?

I had to check, but yep, Doug Ellis is still alive.
   767. Randy Jones Posted: August 28, 2014 at 08:43 PM (#4781238)
Liverpool: They're all embarrassing.
Man City: Noel and Liam Gallagher
   768. JuanGone..except1game Posted: August 28, 2014 at 09:17 PM (#4781257)
Chelsea: Three way tie between Tara Reid, Kevin Garnett and John Major
   769. Howling John Shade Posted: August 28, 2014 at 09:40 PM (#4781269)
Chelsea: Tara Reid
We have a winner.
   770. Commissioner Bud Black Beltre Hillman Posted: August 28, 2014 at 11:39 PM (#4781319)
Gooners are going a bit crazy after Falcao follows the guy who tweeted this. Ah transfer season...
Man City: Noel and Liam Gallagher

Noel pips Liam for participating in a Sky special about his love for the team.
   771. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: August 29, 2014 at 04:13 AM (#4781439)
Liverpool: They're all embarrassing.


We've got John Oliver!

Also, I'm pleased with that CL draw. I figure we have a better than 50% chance to make the knockout round, though Basel could certainly upset the applecart.
   772. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: August 29, 2014 at 07:06 AM (#4781451)
I hope everyone is watching the Europa League draw with me! They're even trotting out Zidane for this. I hope he doesn't start reflexively tapping up Gareth Bale out of habit.

edit: Actually, not Zidane. A French striker I should remember but don't. I'm ashamed.
   773. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: August 29, 2014 at 07:10 AM (#4781452)
Vanishing spray in Europa this year. Woot!
   774. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: August 29, 2014 at 07:21 AM (#4781455)
The draw is hilarious. The FIFA honcho keeps joking with the French striker guy in French and NO ONE is even chuckling even a little bit. It's quiet as a funeral.
   775. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: August 29, 2014 at 07:25 AM (#4781456)
Spurs drew Besiktas. Damn it.
   776. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: August 29, 2014 at 07:47 AM (#4781461)
Spurs with a decent draw aside from Besiktas. I'm just glad they didn't get a Russian or Ukrainian team. Torino should get through their group and also avoided a trip to the two countries currently at war. Everton got a tough draw with Lille, Wolfsburg and a long trip to Krasnodar. I'd say that group arguably passes for a Europa League group of death.
   777. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: August 29, 2014 at 07:49 AM (#4781463)
By the way, many media outlets are having fun today pointing out that Man U have easily the most expensively constructed squad in England now. Honestly, I would not have guessed that. I would have assumed City or Chelsea were #1, but nope!
   778. I am going to be Frank Posted: August 29, 2014 at 09:25 AM (#4781500)
First US roster post-World Cup:

Goalkeepers: Cody Cropper (Southampton), Brad Guzan (Aston Villa), Nick Rimando (Real Salt Lake)

Defenders: John Brooks (Hertha Berlin), Geoff Cameron (Stoke City), Timmy Chandler (Eintracht Frankfurt), Greg Garza (Club Tijuana), Fabian Johnson (Borussia Mönchengladbach), Michael Orozco (Puebla), Tim Ream (Bolton)

Midfielders: Alejandro Bedoya (Nantes), Joe Corona (Club Tijuana), Mix Diskerud (Rosenborg), Julian Green (Bayern Munich), Emerson Hyndman (Fulham), Alfredo Morales (Ingolstadt), Brek Shea (Stoke City)

Forwards: Jozy Altidore (Sunderland), Joe Gyau (Borussia Dortmund II), Jordan Morris (Stanford), Rubio Rubin (Utrecht), Bobby Wood (1860 Munich)

Good to see Ream get called back up, Shea is a meh. Lot of new faces - didn't know Fulham had an American (even if they look worse than last season).
   779. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: August 29, 2014 at 09:30 AM (#4781505)
Also, I'm pleased with that CL draw. I figure we have a better than 50% chance to make the knockout round, though Basel could certainly upset the applecart.

Odds to qualify (including vig obviously):

A Atletico Madrid (1/9), Juventus (1/6), Olympiakos (4), Malmo FF (20)
B Real Madrid (1/41), Liverpool (2/7), Basel (9/2), Ludogorets Razgrad (25)
C Bayer Leverkusen (8/11), Monaco (4/5), Benfica (15/13), Zenit (15/8)
D Arsenal (3/10), Dortmund (4/11), Galatasaray (9/4), Anderlecht (8)
E Bayern Munich (1/5), Man City (2/5), Roma (5/2), CSKA Moscow (12)
F Barcelona (1/41), PSG (1/5), Ajax (5), APOEL Nicosia (25)
G Chelsea (1/33), Schalke 04 (13/18), Sporting Lisbon (9/4), Maribor (25)
H Porto (4/9), Athletic Bilbao (1/2), Shakhtar Donetsk (1), BATE Borisov (16)
   780. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: August 29, 2014 at 10:05 AM (#4781550)
Joe Gyau (Borussia Dortmund II), Rubio Rubin (Utrecht), Bobby Wood (1860 Munich)


Instantly I go to Wikipedia to see if these are actual Americans or pseudo-American Germans… they are all actual Americans.

Bobby Wood has been with 1860 since age 14!

Joe Gyau has also been in Germany since 16, starting with Hoffenheim.

Rubio Rubin is only 18 total.
   781. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: August 29, 2014 at 10:18 AM (#4781568)
Where the hell is Juan Agudelo these days? I'm surprised he didn't get a call up to help him with a work permit appeal.
   782. ursus arctos Posted: August 29, 2014 at 10:55 AM (#4781617)
Agudelo appears to be in limbo at the moment.

He was training earlier this summer with Orlando City, and there were rumors of interest from 1860 Munich, but there isn't much time left for that to happen.
   783. ursus arctos Posted: August 29, 2014 at 12:44 PM (#4781748)
Sky Italia are reporting that Fernando Torres is joining Milan.
   784. I am going to be Frank Posted: August 29, 2014 at 01:43 PM (#4781819)
So the reverse Shevchenko? Same teams, but really just disappointment for Chelsea all around.
   785. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: August 29, 2014 at 01:46 PM (#4781823)
Everyone in the world except for ESPN FC think Everton got a tough Europa draw.

Sky Italia are reporting that Fernando Torres is joining Milan.

Probably the platonic ideal of an AC Milan signing at this point.
   786. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: August 29, 2014 at 02:02 PM (#4781840)
Yeesh. Milan are freaking clownshoes.

I think there's far too much animus directed at Torres from LFC fans. The guy had a spell of two-three seasons of being nearly unplayable, and then left LFC with a huge windfall. It's not his fault they pissed 70% of that down the drain. Admittedly, though, I've got a real soft spot for Torres. His first year at the club coincided with my first year following LFC. Some of the goals and touches in this video are just stunning.
   787. madvillain Posted: August 29, 2014 at 02:28 PM (#4781872)
Rubio Rubin is only 18 total.


From some of the video of Rubio he looks like he could fill the Dempsey role (withdrawn striker) perfectly on the USMNT in a couple of years. Very skilled on the ball and although his father is Mexican he's been quoted as saying he feels 100% American and he is 100% becoming a UMSNT player.
   788. jmurph Posted: August 29, 2014 at 02:33 PM (#4781876)
By the way, many media outlets are having fun today pointing out that Man U have easily the most expensively constructed squad in England now.


Just another example of the Glazers screwing over the team. Err, something.
   789. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: August 29, 2014 at 02:56 PM (#4781910)
Tottenham have signed Benjamin Stambouli from Montpelier. That came out of nowhere. I guess he's a DM much like Capoue so Sandro has got to be on his way out.
   790. Spivey Posted: August 29, 2014 at 02:58 PM (#4781911)
It's been so long since Torres has been a top goal scorer I actually kind of forgot what it looked like. He really was amazing for a while there.

It seems like a ton of it is confidence. I don't even see him trying a lot of those types of shots and moves these days - his movement and play seems very predictable.
   791. Swedish Chef Posted: August 29, 2014 at 03:07 PM (#4781918)
Two-year loan for Torres, I guess Chelsea didn't want to write off all that money in one go. He certainly doesn't have a positive market value at this point.

Swedish football news: Good guys Halmstads BK demolished big team in steep decline Helsingborgs IF away 1-4. Red-hot HBK have 16 points in 7 games, and have some breathing room down now.
   792. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: August 29, 2014 at 03:12 PM (#4781921)
He really was amazing for a while there.

He was a lot of fun, no doubt. He's probably the reason I dislike LFC the least of the traditional Sky 4. That said, Milan are really determined to slip into irrelevance, aren't they?
   793. Swedish Chef Posted: August 29, 2014 at 03:19 PM (#4781927)
   794. Juilin Sandar to Conkling Speedwell (Arjun) Posted: August 29, 2014 at 05:14 PM (#4782002)
Reports that Chelsea are replacing Torres with Loic Remy. Not sure how reliable, but, as a cheap(er), quick transfer for a decent striker, that makes a lot of sense.
   795. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: August 29, 2014 at 05:31 PM (#4782009)
Kagawa appears to be headed back to Dortmund.
   796. JuanGone..except1game Posted: August 29, 2014 at 06:14 PM (#4782025)
Oh what a happy day! I don't hate Torres, but its clear that its just time for him to move on. I like Remy, but obviously the heart issue that seemingly held up his Liverpool deal is a concern. I can't help but still be a little sore about Lukaku leaving. He would have been the clear 2nd choice with tons of opportunity to play, but spilled milk and all. Milan is being run by insane AND incompetent people right now.

For such a top signing at the time, its amazing how little of chance Kagawa has had.
   797. Swedish Chef Posted: August 29, 2014 at 06:55 PM (#4782043)
Milan is being run by insane AND incompetent people right now.

Is this really evidence of that? They taking him on loan, not buying for some huge sum.
   798. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: August 29, 2014 at 07:05 PM (#4782046)
Don't forget about injuries, Spivey. Pretty sure Torres had a string of hamstring injuries at Liverpool. Heck, going back about a calendar year before his transfer to Chelsea, Torres did not look the same player as his peak form, although the gradual deterioration of the squad certainly didn't help.

So that's now Kagawa and Sahin back at Dortmund after not-so-successful transfers. Two more data points that suggest Klopp really knows what he's doing.
   799. JuanGone..except1game Posted: August 29, 2014 at 09:43 PM (#4782141)
Is this really evidence of that? They taking him on loan, not buying for some huge sum.

They will be paying massive wages, and there glee at selling Mario for £16million speaks to a certain cluelessness. That's a few more million than Shane Long, that's £12million less than Lukakau. Add in the fact that Torres is a player with negative value, unless its for selling shirts this is still likely to be a bad deal.

   800. frannyzoo Posted: August 29, 2014 at 10:27 PM (#4782154)
Sat down to watch the rare MLS game tonight(SKC/Houston) and within 15 minutes I've seen enough bad ref work, silly handbags and porous defense to decide I'll just save up my football watching for tomorrow morning and afternoon. These refs really are as unqualified as the players often state.
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