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OT: The Soccer Thread: February 2013

Well, it was on time last month!

RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: February 01, 2013 at 11:59 AM | 1499 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: February 01, 2013 at 03:58 PM (#4360216)
I'm still planning on Kinsale's tomorrow, even more so if Shooty will be wearing a poseur shirt!
   2. DA Baracus Posted: February 01, 2013 at 03:59 PM (#4360218)
LATE WARNING: Do not click the link to mantoman.com in item #3 on the football hipster list. I don't know if that was actually Michael Cox's website before Zonal Marking, but if it was then it's something very different now. Or Michael Cox had very different professional interests.


It's a play on words.
   3. Mattbert Posted: February 01, 2013 at 03:59 PM (#4360219)
LATE WARNING: Do not click the link to mantoman.com in item #3 on the football hipster list. I don't know if that was actually Michael Cox's website before Zonal Marking, but if it was then it's something very different now. Or Michael Cox had very different professional interests.
   4. Mattbert Posted: February 01, 2013 at 04:01 PM (#4360222)
It's a play on words.

Yes, that much became obvious after I'd been punked.
   5. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: February 01, 2013 at 04:02 PM (#4360223)
I'm still planning on Kinsale's tomorrow, even more so if Shooty will be wearing a poseur shirt!

I will be wearing THE poseur shirt.
   6. I am going to be Frank Posted: February 01, 2013 at 04:46 PM (#4360281)
Just turned on Toulouse - PSG. Its on Univision Deportes - no Beckham but I don't conceivably see where he would play.
   7. Mattbert Posted: February 01, 2013 at 04:46 PM (#4360282)
Erm yeah. I guess there are other aspects of Irish culture you needed to know about.

So says the bear.
   8. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: February 01, 2013 at 08:42 PM (#4360452)
I'll send Shooty an e-mail as well, but hopefully he checks in here, I came home and discovered my bathroom ceiling is in the process of collapsing owing to a leak. Supposedly a plumber will be coming in tomorrow morning, so I'm going to have to skip out on Kinsale's to await his arrival. Sorry about that.
   9. DA Baracus Posted: February 01, 2013 at 09:02 PM (#4360459)
This one snuck in under the wire, or I missed it yesterday: Anelka to Juventus.
   10. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: February 02, 2013 at 12:31 AM (#4360534)
25 Steps to Becoming a Football Hipster

I think several posters here are between one-quarter and one-third of the way there.


I would say I follow (to various extents) 2, 12, 13, and 14. I think I can be excused #12 what with being a Spurs fan and all.
   11. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: February 02, 2013 at 07:22 AM (#4360578)
Googling about, it seems football hipsterism is a new thing to be despised by people who share 75% of the traits they despise in football hipsters. (The hipster is generally defined as a person who complains at length and with specificity about "hipsters".)

I like the first picture joke on the Football Hipsters tumblr.

Here's a story about a man with the the paradigmatic football hipster allegiance: Partick Thistle.

The primary football hipster allegiances appear to be Napoli, Borussia Dortmund, and Athletic Bilbao under Bielsa. For fans outside the UK and Ireland, Spurs are pretty clearly the analogue. Football Weekly keeps coming up, too. And especially Inverting the Pyramid and tactics blogging. Whether football hipsters adore the 0-0 and think goals are overrated seems to be in some dispute. Anyone who loves Napoli and Dortmund and fergodsakes Bielsa can't look down on goals that much. Perhaps it is a higher level of hipsterism, once you move past the obvious non-English side support.
   12. Juilin Sandar to Conkling Speedwell (Arjun) Posted: February 02, 2013 at 08:20 AM (#4360580)
Whether football hipsters adore the 0-0 and think goals are overrated seems to be in some dispute.

Probably because they're a couple of kinds of hipsters; those who want to score tons of goals in a Napoli/Dortmund/Bielsista side and those who hate all offence (I'm the, err, second category). Different kinds of hipsterdom, but still a hipster, I think.
   13. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: February 02, 2013 at 10:03 AM (#4360588)
Partick Thistle shout out! At least Freiburg is below even the hipster radar. The funny thing is is that there's a non-zero chance I may one day be a Partick season ticket holder. Mrs. Shooty really wants to live there and I sort of despise the Celtic-Rangers nastiness.

No problem about today RB. Anyone else going? I'm not going to be the weird guy alone at the bar drinking Guinness at 10 in the morning. I'd go if Spurs were playing but I'm not braving the cold alone to watch Stoke-Arsenal.
   14. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: February 02, 2013 at 10:11 AM (#4360591)
Jenas! (slaps forehead in frustration)
   15. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: February 02, 2013 at 10:25 AM (#4360592)
Jenas to Townsend to Zamora...Spurs reunion! No goal, of course.
   16. Mattbert Posted: February 02, 2013 at 10:29 AM (#4360595)
So is Loic Remy injured? He didn't even make the bench...
   17. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: February 02, 2013 at 10:31 AM (#4360599)
Hamstring injury, I believe.
   18. Mattbert Posted: February 02, 2013 at 10:35 AM (#4360600)
Five current/former Spurs on the pitch, huh? Wild.
   19. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: February 02, 2013 at 10:35 AM (#4360602)
Five current/former Spurs on the pitch, huh? Wild.

And both managers have Spurs ties.
   20. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: February 02, 2013 at 10:38 AM (#4360604)
Townsend looked good today. It's good to see Jenas playing again, too. I honestly hope he does well.
   21. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: February 02, 2013 at 10:41 AM (#4360608)
What would be the most hipsterish game for me to watch now? Newcastle-Chelsea? Hoffenheim-Freiburg? Or Ghana-Cape Verde?
   22. frannyzoo Posted: February 02, 2013 at 11:11 AM (#4360612)
The bitrate makes detail tough, but the pitch at Sassuolo today v. Empoli (game actually played in Modena) is tremendously awful. Fun, fun stuff. Btw, what's Sassuolo going to do about a stadium if they are promoted?
   23. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: February 02, 2013 at 11:16 AM (#4360614)
Cape Verde is the hipster flavour of the month.
   24. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: February 02, 2013 at 11:29 AM (#4360620)
Cape Verde is the hipster flavour of the month.

Is it really hipster to latch onto a Cinderella story? That seems a universal trait.
   25. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: February 02, 2013 at 11:35 AM (#4360624)
Demba Ba is getting stitches in his face from a high boot and Newcastle fans are booing him for diving. Heh.
   26. Langer Monk Posted: February 02, 2013 at 11:42 AM (#4360626)
I think Ba is trying to breathe out of his ears. Torres coming on.
   27. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: February 02, 2013 at 11:42 AM (#4360627)
Jonas scores and Torres coming on for Ba. Chelsea are doomed today.
   28. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: February 02, 2013 at 11:42 AM (#4360628)
And everyone gets to boo now. Newcastle fans can boo Ba off and Chelsea fans can boo Torres on. It's a win win situation.
   29. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: February 02, 2013 at 11:44 AM (#4360629)
And down goes Torres. Chelsea players are like Spinal Tap drummers today.
   30. Langer Monk Posted: February 02, 2013 at 11:48 AM (#4360630)
I think Lampard forgot his was defending that first corner there.
   31. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: February 02, 2013 at 11:48 AM (#4360631)
Ghana - Cape Verde has been very dull. I haven't been too impressed with this year's Africa Cup of Nations from the games I've watched. The teams seem to have very little attacking skill.
   32. DA Baracus Posted: February 02, 2013 at 11:56 AM (#4360634)
Clearly Biff is not a hipster.
   33. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: February 02, 2013 at 12:01 PM (#4360637)
Clearly Biff is not a hipster.

Or, he's so hip his hipness has imploded in on itself like a collapsing star and he's emerged as a chav? Huh? Think about it... (I don't even know if I'm using chav right. Would that be the opposite of a hipster?)
   34. Textbook Editor Posted: February 02, 2013 at 12:01 PM (#4360638)
If liking Napoli makes me a hipster, I don't want to be a square.
   35. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: February 02, 2013 at 12:02 PM (#4360639)
I hear it's hip to be square.
   36. DA Baracus Posted: February 02, 2013 at 12:04 PM (#4360640)
Or, he's so hip his hipness has imploded in on itself like a collapsing star and he's emerged as a chav? Huh? Think about it... (I don't even know if I'm using chav right. Would that be the opposite of a hipster?)


Possibly, but...

I hear it's hip to be square.


This is confirmation he is not.
   37. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: February 02, 2013 at 12:12 PM (#4360642)
Asamoah Gyan wins a penalty, but they don't let him take it... Ghana up 1-0.
   38. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: February 02, 2013 at 12:14 PM (#4360643)
Asamoah Gyan wins a penalty, but they don't let him take it... Ghana up 1-0.
Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice...

No sign of the plumber, incidentally
   39. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: February 02, 2013 at 12:16 PM (#4360644)
The second half of this game has been a lot better. Cape Verde have actually had better chances, but their finishing has been poor.
   40. DA Baracus Posted: February 02, 2013 at 12:19 PM (#4360646)
Aston Villa up 3-1 at Everton.
   41. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: February 02, 2013 at 12:20 PM (#4360647)
Or, he's so hip his hipness has imploded in on itself like a collapsing star and he's emerged as a chav? Huh? Think about it... (I don't even know if I'm using chav right. Would that be the opposite of a hipster?)

Chavs do have their own fashion music and "culture". I would think the opposite of hipsters would be people who don't care about those at all.
   42. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: February 02, 2013 at 12:22 PM (#4360649)
Damn it Villa, we've already decided you're going down. Knock it off!

Stupid Chelsea.
   43. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: February 02, 2013 at 12:25 PM (#4360651)
Stupid Chelsea.

That's my fault, shouldn't have switched to England - Scotland.
   44. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: February 02, 2013 at 12:28 PM (#4360654)
Vive le France!
   45. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: February 02, 2013 at 12:29 PM (#4360655)
Sissoko needs to learn to kiss the badge and not the corporate logo.
   46. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: February 02, 2013 at 12:32 PM (#4360657)
Sissoko just ran past Ashley Cole! Wow.
   47. I am going to be Frank Posted: February 02, 2013 at 12:32 PM (#4360658)
2 Million for Sissoko. Seriously was every other English team sleeping?
   48. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: February 02, 2013 at 12:33 PM (#4360660)
2 Million for Sissoko. Seriously was every other English team sleeping?

I would have liked Spurs to go in for him. He's quality.
   49. DA Baracus Posted: February 02, 2013 at 12:38 PM (#4360664)
2 Million for Sissoko. Seriously was every other English team sleeping?


He couldn't sign anywhere else. Newcastle have claiming rights in France.
   50. I am going to be Frank Posted: February 02, 2013 at 12:38 PM (#4360665)
United should have got in on him. Instead 10 million for a Championship player who plays wide and isn't needed until next season!
   51. DA Baracus Posted: February 02, 2013 at 12:43 PM (#4360667)
Stoke bring on three strikers, I didn't know they had three on their roster.
   52. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: February 02, 2013 at 12:51 PM (#4360671)
Sissoko ain't crap.
   53. DA Baracus Posted: February 02, 2013 at 12:52 PM (#4360672)
Michael Owen punched Corloza after a clean but hard tackle.
   54. Langer Monk Posted: February 02, 2013 at 12:52 PM (#4360673)
Everton tied it up
   55. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: February 02, 2013 at 12:52 PM (#4360674)
Oh, Villa.
   56. DA Baracus Posted: February 02, 2013 at 12:54 PM (#4360675)
Everton with 93rd minute goal to tie! Wigan with a 95th minute goal to tie!

Of course I stopped watching both. I am jinxing every game I am watching.
   57. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: February 02, 2013 at 12:55 PM (#4360676)
And Chelsea nearly drew even.
   58. Langer Monk Posted: February 02, 2013 at 12:55 PM (#4360677)
Crotch save for Newcastle seals the deal.
   59. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: February 02, 2013 at 01:52 PM (#4360716)
Crotch save for Newcastle seals the deal.

Sometimes, you gotta take one for the team.
   60. zack Posted: February 02, 2013 at 01:59 PM (#4360722)
I like how Krul pulled him up after the crotch ball even though he was clearly about to hurl.
   61. Flynn Posted: February 02, 2013 at 04:16 PM (#4360776)
I am pretty much the archetypal football hipster.

Napoli is my Italian team, Dortmund is my favorite German club, I thought Spain were boring before they weren't, I buy retro shirts off the Internet, I like Marcelo Bielsa. I am probably going to Hamburg with a friend to take in a Sankt-Pauli game in the next year or two, I listen to Football Weekly and Football Ramble and I subscribe to the Blizzard (and went to a Q&A a couple weeks ago with Jonathan Wilson). I bigged up Lewandowski for the Golden Boot. I think Maradona is the best player ever. I love Ajax and Arsene Wenger and Dennis Bergkamp (dreamboat). I am massively f*cking arrogant about offensive football (while having a mancrush on 80s/early 90s Serie A) and I like lots of European leagues.

About the only things that don't fit into the mold are that I don't have a tactics blog, although I pitched an article to a Dutch football magazine about how tiki-taka is a subconscious reliving of the 20 minutes after Johan Neeskens scored in the 1974 World Cup final when the Dutch were rampant but opted to toy with the Germans rather than go for the second goal that probably would have killed off the game. I also don't like Barcelona very much, primarily due to their masturbatory philosophy that is basically a straight rip-off of Ajax's principles.

I shall now sit in my 1996 Ajax shirt and twirl my mustache.
   62. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: February 02, 2013 at 04:49 PM (#4360787)
Hey hipsters, Bafana Bafana and Mali are heading to the second period of extra time, even at 1-1.
   63. Grunthos Posted: February 02, 2013 at 05:29 PM (#4360803)
Damn it Villa, we've already decided you're going down. Knock it off!

You needn't have worried. Team defense was as bad as ever today, even with Vlaar back and the two midfielders nominally most capable of controlling play (Westwood, El Ahmadi) on the field. Villa's marking was horrific, their set-piece defense was atrocious, and if it weren't for Brad Guzan this would have been three points dropped late instead of two.
   64. Baldrick Posted: February 02, 2013 at 05:46 PM (#4360810)
Reading wins again. There's something about the turning of the new year that just kicks this team into gear, I guess.

Wish we could have gotten Gylfi back. Spurs doesn't seem to be using him, and the offer sounds like it was around $10 million. What would the Spurs Think Factory crowd have thought about the deal had it gone down?
   65. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: February 02, 2013 at 05:54 PM (#4360811)
Definitely opposed. I guess in theory if the money could have been turned into a new striker at a fair price, it would be worth it, but any sale is good if you go on to spend the money better.

For this year, Spurs need every bit of goal threat on this roster. One of these times, his beautiful 87th minute strike is going to get past the keeper. (He's been used as a sub 15 times this year in the league, and he could easily have 2-4 goals already.) For the future, Gylfi is still quite young, and if he can just add a little more muscle and improve his possession game, he'll be at least a regular contributor at the top level.
   66. Mefisto Posted: February 02, 2013 at 06:49 PM (#4360829)
At least Fulham didn't embarrass themselves today. They could easily have had 3, but in fairness, Utd. could just as easily have had 4.
   67. ursus arctos Posted: February 02, 2013 at 07:02 PM (#4360832)
Madrid lose at Granada, their fourth loss in four league matches in Andalusia this season.

I'm sure that FPH is chuffed, but how the heck did Schalke lose at home to Fuerth?

And the answer to where Sassuolo will play if they are promoted in almost certainly Modena, which is just down the road.
   68. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: February 02, 2013 at 07:11 PM (#4360835)
I'm sure that FPH is chuffed, but how the heck did Schalke lose at home to Fuerth?
No Holtby!

-Atletico host Betis tomorrow, so they have a chance to extend their 2nd place lead to seven points again.

-And Napoli's win puts them just three points off the top in Serie A.
   69. SuperGrover Posted: February 02, 2013 at 09:35 PM (#4360880)
Reading wins again. There's something about the turning of the new year that just kicks this team into gear, I guess.


Well, it helps when they score 11 goals on their last 17 shots on target. It's as if the entire team has become early season Michu.
   70. Commissioner Bud Black Beltre Hillman Posted: February 02, 2013 at 09:36 PM (#4360883)
Got time for one game -- Ghana v Cape Verde or SA v Mali?
   71. Mattbert Posted: February 02, 2013 at 11:33 PM (#4360927)
I haven't been too impressed with this year's Africa Cup of Nations from the games I've watched. The teams seem to have very little attacking skill.

This will sound a lot more arrogant hipster-ish than I intend it to, but...

Just so you know, that lack of attacking skill isn't exactly a feature of African football that's unique to this year's tournament. Not that African national teams are alone in that regard, of course. Genuine class in the final third is, as far as I can tell, the last piece of the puzzle to fall into place for pretty well any club or nation anywhere ever.
   72. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: February 02, 2013 at 11:47 PM (#4360929)
Got time for one game -- Ghana v Cape Verde or SA v Mali?

Probably too late at this point, but I would say only the second half of Ghana - Cape Verde is really worth watching.

Just so you know, that lack of attacking skill isn't exactly a feature of African football that's unique to this year's tournament. Not that African national teams are alone in that regard, of course. Genuine class in the final third is, as far as I can tell, the last piece of the puzzle to fall into place for pretty well any club or nation anywhere ever.

Fair enough. I feel like there were more goals in tournaments past, though. Which, admittedly, doesn't necessarily mean there was any more attacking skill.
   73. Mattbert Posted: February 02, 2013 at 11:58 PM (#4360931)
Wish we could have gotten Gylfi back. Spurs doesn't seem to be using him, and the offer sounds like it was around $10 million. What would the Spurs Think Factory crowd have thought about the deal had it gone down?

The SPURS THINK FACTORY klaxon went off here at my house, but I was preparing dinner for my folks and haven't had time to respond until now!

Like MCoA, I would have been firmly opposed to the sale of Sigurdsson. He is the equivalent of a bit of BABIP luck away from a major breakthrough, I feel. He's had a tough go of it results-wise thusfar, but it's greatly to his credit that he's never let his head drop. He's kept working hard every time he's featured; not blessed with superior pace but really busts his hump in the pressing game. He continues to make great runs--and is constantly let down by a lack of vision from his teammates on that score. I am hopeful he'll get some time on the pitch with Holtby, who looks like the sort of player who will spot those runs (ditto Adebayor). Sigurdsson often looks to play teammates in for an easier chance when he's in the danger area instead of automatically taking the shot, which is kinda nice. *cough*Defoe*cough* *cough*Bale*cough*

I think Sigurdsson's quality will shine through before too long. He's a subtle sort of player with truly excellent instincts. Tottenham's success this season has mostly come from the team's ability to counterattack and be very direct with pace and power. That's not Sigurdsson's cup of cake, but I think he will flourish if he's afforded the opportunity to play with other "football smart" players like Adebayor and Holtby (and, increasingly, Aaron Lennon!).
   74. Commissioner Bud Black Beltre Hillman Posted: February 03, 2013 at 12:10 AM (#4360936)
Probably too late at this point, but I would say only the second half of Ghana - Cape Verde is really worth watching.
Thanks anyway, picked that one and it was definitely worth the first half (actually worth it just for that closeup shot of the Ghanan goalkeeper at the end), even if the result didn't add up.
   75. Mattbert Posted: February 03, 2013 at 12:15 AM (#4360939)
Fair enough. I feel like there were more goals in tournaments past, though. Which, admittedly, doesn't necessarily mean there was any more attacking skill.

What's your take on the defending in this tournament? I haven't been able to watch more than a couple of the games, but I felt that in years past much of the attacking play was a result of disorganized defending*. That's slowly begun to improve in the last couple cycles. My hypothesis is that, for clubs/teams that have yet to reach the upper echelons of their league or the biggest international tourneys, defending evolves/improves a lot more rapidly than attacking and technical skill. I suspect that's the main reason for fewer goals this time around (if your perception is indeed correct - I haven't checked the numbers myself). ACN games could/can be extremely exciting, but more often than not that's due to some really poor play by the defense, rather than really good play by the attack, generating a scoring opportunity.

* Historically, I think Egypt's ability to maintain a sound shape without the ball has been the biggest single factor in their dominance of the ACN. It really set them apart from just about every other African national side.
   76. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: February 03, 2013 at 09:44 AM (#4360981)
I suspect that's the main reason for fewer goals this time around (if your perception is indeed correct - I haven't checked the numbers myself).

2013: 2.04 goals/match
2012: 2.38 goals/match
2010: 2.45 goals/match

It's nice when a perception is correct since they're so often misleading. Your point about goals in the past being due to disorganized defending is well-taken, though.
   77. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: February 03, 2013 at 09:50 AM (#4360983)
Hey Mattbert, looks like AVB is playing Bale up top today - I think he's got Adebayor's job, something like a support / linking striker. With Dempsey playing more on the left wing and Benny providing width.
   78. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: February 03, 2013 at 10:37 AM (#4360989)
That one goes to 11 on the stupid scale. Wowzers.
   79. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: February 03, 2013 at 10:38 AM (#4360990)
Well that was incredibly stupid. I was goings say that while Tottenam had the run of play Lukaku had made several threatening runs and if he popped one West Brom had a chance to win. Now this has to be three points for Spurs.
   80. Juilin Sandar to Conkling Speedwell (Arjun) Posted: February 03, 2013 at 10:43 AM (#4360991)
Just out of curiosity: I thought it was true that as tournaments progress, goals tend to go up (as there's more incentive to score, while in the early rounds of a tournament, teams just don't want to concede). I haven't been watching the ACON, but could that be a contributing factor to the low number of goals scored this year, or is what I remember totally incorrect?
   81. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: February 03, 2013 at 10:47 AM (#4360993)
Spurs just cannot break teams down. I wouldn't be surprised if this ends nil-nil.
   82. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: February 03, 2013 at 10:55 AM (#4360994)
I'm sure that FPH is chuffed, but how the heck did Schalke lose at home to Fuerth?

Fürth's winner in the 92nd minute was well offside. Not that I am complaining.
   83. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: February 03, 2013 at 10:57 AM (#4360995)
Or, if you can't break a team down, just have a freak of nature on your team.
   84. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: February 03, 2013 at 10:59 AM (#4360996)
Or, if you can't break a team down, just have a freak of nature on your team.

Indeed. It would be nice if they didn't have to rely on him, but it sure doesn't hurt to have him.
   85. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: February 03, 2013 at 11:36 AM (#4361008)
Not exactly a spectacle, but it keeps the pressure on Chelsea as Everton and Arsenal are creeping up on them as well. Let's find out if Rafa can handle the pressure.
   86. DA Baracus Posted: February 03, 2013 at 11:41 AM (#4361010)
The SPURS THINK FACTORY klaxon


Oh man, that's way better than the ARSENAL THINK FACTORY signal, which is like the Bat Signal but it's a silhouette of a puffy jacket.
   87. Mattbert Posted: February 03, 2013 at 12:13 PM (#4361024)
Hey Mattbert, looks like AVB is playing Bale up top today - I think he's got Adebayor's job, something like a support / linking striker. With Dempsey playing more on the left wing and Benny providing width.

That was nice to see. I thought the starting team looked pretty decent with Bale in "trequartista" role behind Defoe and Dempsey out left. It was less effective when Defoe had to come off because Dempsey doesn't scare anyone with his pace so the West Brom back four were able to push up and compress the space that Holtby wanted to work in because Dempsey was dropping in there as well.

Once they got themselves sorted out and Bale, Holtby, and Dempsey were more or less running a classic midfield triangle at the top of Spurs' shape instead of in the middle, that opened things up because when Bale and Holtby were taking their turns as the furthest forward player they are quick enough to get in behind and cause problems so West Brom had to drop deeper.

Popov's sending off didn't hurt either, although I was disappointed Spurs didn't attack him more often after Lennon skinned him effortlessly a couple times early on.
   88. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: February 03, 2013 at 12:33 PM (#4361039)
THTF...

I really liked seeing Bale dominating the center of the pitch. Dempsey was useless. Once Ade is back, I'd like to see the same 1st half formation, but with Adebayor as the #9 and Holtby as a wide creative midfielder in the Silva/Mata role.
   89. I am going to be Frank Posted: February 03, 2013 at 12:41 PM (#4361051)
Starting Carragher against City seems like a bad idea.
   90. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: February 03, 2013 at 12:50 PM (#4361059)
And Ivory Coast once again fails to win the Africa Cup of Nations.
   91. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: February 03, 2013 at 12:58 PM (#4361067)
Agger clearly fouled Dzeko on the lead up to Pool's goal but that's on the ref, not Liverpool. A great strike from Sturridge. What has happened with Skrtel? He was on both the Shooty and the Zonal Marking All PL 11 last year and now he's benched for Carragher? What's the inside story there?
   92. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: February 03, 2013 at 01:31 PM (#4361106)
A classic from Gerard there. Add it to the highlight reel.
   93. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: February 03, 2013 at 01:33 PM (#4361110)
City have taken off Silva and out on...Maicon. And Skrtel on for Enrique.
   94. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: February 03, 2013 at 01:37 PM (#4361117)
What a crazy game. All the spectacle you didn't get from WBA-Spurs. Aguero with a hell of a goal into an empty net but from a tough angle. Kind of a howler from Reina, though.
   95. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: February 03, 2013 at 01:56 PM (#4361134)
Liverpool looked like a top 4 team today. It's just a matter of if they have time to make a run. I will add the caveat that City didn't have Kompany or Yaya Toure today and they really missed both, particularly Toure.
   96. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: February 03, 2013 at 02:20 PM (#4361150)
Liverpool looked like a top 4 team today. It's just a matter of if they have time to make a run
Liverpool are exactly as far back of a Champions League place as Man City are of a league title. Which road is harder? United are a lot less likely to drop points than Chelsea/Spurs/Everton/Arsenal, but there's only one United and there are a couple clubs between Liverpool at a top four position.

Liverpool's recent form suggests something of a triumph for the advanced metrics. They are playing like the top club that their underlying stats suggested they were a month or two ago.
   97. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: February 03, 2013 at 02:37 PM (#4361162)
Random sports-language discussion at a Tottenham Hotspur forum I found kind of fascinating. Someone said Gareth Bale was on a torrid run of form, someone else pointed out that meant playing badly, there was disagreement, and around it goes. Leading to this post explaining it:
The phrase “torrid run of form” is not used in America to talk about any sports except for soccer. Because it’s not really a very sports journalismy kind of word. It seems like it’s very common in British media talking about soccer, however. And like so many Americans when talking about soccer, we naturally just adopt Britishisms and our journalism is peppered with phrases that we’ve borrowed from the way the Brits report on soccer.

But with torrid, we appear to use it to mean the exact opposite thing the Brits do. If you google the phrase “torrid run of form” you get British results like:

“Lambert, whose side are just one point above the Premier League relegation zone after a torrid run of form”

and American results like:

Los Angeles enters this final on a torrid run of form with all three of its Designated Players firing at the same time.

I think the American version makes more sense, since torrid means really hot, and we use “hot” when players are performing well. But it’s completely baffling, because it looks like we stole the phrase from England, and then deliberately changed what it meant.
   98. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: February 03, 2013 at 02:59 PM (#4361168)
There have been a few nice ATTACKING MOVES in Burkina Faso - Togo but the finishing has been awful.
   99. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: February 03, 2013 at 03:02 PM (#4361174)
I think the American version makes more sense, since torrid means really hot, and we use “hot” when players are performing well. But it’s completely baffling, because it looks like we stole the phrase from England, and then deliberately changed what it meant.

Kind of like the phrase football.

And torrid, more than simply hot is more associated with arid, scorched, lifeless, and fruitless. Which supports the use similar to that of a drought imo.
   100. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: February 03, 2013 at 03:08 PM (#4361179)
This is another British/American difference in sense. "Torrid" in American English tends more toward the good steamy, fun type of hot - a "torrid affair" and the like.

Neither is exactly wrong, since the word has a quite different sense depending on which form of English you're speaking. But it's funny that the phrase got imported without any changes except that it had its meaning totally inverted.
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