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OT: The Soccer Thread: February 2013

Well, it was on time last month!

RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: February 01, 2013 at 11:59 AM | 1499 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1201. frannyzoo Posted: February 22, 2013 at 07:55 PM (#4374353)
And the lurker makes the flip...just because. btw, good call on Zaragoza as rooting material (they've been slipping, and I should know, as I have a season-long bet) and RSO is really, really having a memorable season. Phil Ball has to be happy.
   1202. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: February 23, 2013 at 09:08 AM (#4374519)
Brek Shea time!
   1203. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: February 23, 2013 at 09:10 AM (#4374520)
Brek Shea making his debut as a 24th minute sub.

So far Stoke have looked utterly disinterested in trying to score a goal. I appreciate their defensive style but this has been ridiculous.
   1204. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: February 23, 2013 at 09:34 AM (#4374524)
Shea isn't going to get much time at Stoke if his defense doesn't improve.
   1205. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: February 23, 2013 at 09:43 AM (#4374527)
Berbatov with a ridiculously good strike for the goal.

Nzonzi should have been sent off with a straight red.
   1206. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: February 23, 2013 at 10:01 AM (#4374534)
Shea wins the penalty ... Walters with a dreadful penalty miss ...
   1207. Mattbert Posted: February 23, 2013 at 10:48 AM (#4374559)
To the best of my knowledge Zaragoza doesn't have any particularly dodgy supporters or traditions. It also has a nice historical core.

They also have Spurs Legend Helder Postiga!
   1208. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: February 23, 2013 at 11:02 AM (#4374571)
And Aston Villa are in neon yellow uniforms for some reason.
   1209. I am going to be Frank Posted: February 23, 2013 at 11:28 AM (#4374584)
Rafael with a great goal. SAF has no fear of QPR. Starting Young, Giggs, Chicharito, Nani and RvP.

Oh and for all the Spurs fans out there... Townsend is playing for QPR.
   1210. Spivey Posted: February 23, 2013 at 11:37 AM (#4374588)
The idea that that attacking lineup is a "no fear" lineup is absurd. Man U is not the best team in the world. But they do have the best group of goal scorers in the world, and I don't think it's close.
   1211. Juilin Sandar to Conkling Speedwell (Arjun) Posted: February 23, 2013 at 11:46 AM (#4374592)
But they do have the best group of goal scorers in the world, and I don't think it's close.

I'm not 100% sure about that: I would put Messi, Iniesta, Xavi, Fabregas, David Villa, Alexis Sanchez, etc. or Gomez, Muller, Robben, Ribery, Mandzukic, Kroos, etc. up against Rooney, Van Persie, Kagawa, Hernandez, Nani, etc. fairly reasonably. You could probably also make an argument for Real Madrid, just based off of Ronaldo, Higuain, Benzema, Ozil, and Di Maria, as well.

EDIT: I may have misread; you might have just meant the Prem, in which case you're most likely correct. Sorry for misreading you if I did.
   1212. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: February 23, 2013 at 12:01 PM (#4374598)
And Aston Villa are in neon yellow uniforms for some reason.

Vying for my affection, no doubt.
   1213. I am going to be Frank Posted: February 23, 2013 at 12:02 PM (#4374599)
I guess "no fear" is the wrong term. Just surprised that that Fergie put in such an aggressive lineup. QPR is terrible but they have players who can exploit United's lack of height and crappy defending on crosses and set pieces.

PSG also has good set of attacking talent.
   1214. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: February 23, 2013 at 01:16 PM (#4374622)
Not a good day for the north of Germany.
   1215. Mattbert Posted: February 23, 2013 at 01:19 PM (#4374624)
Aw, man. Hamburg missed a chance to pull ahead of WouldyoulikeFreiswiththatburg by suffering a humiliating 5-1 defeat at Hannover. And that despite absolutely dominating possession and shots. Hannover only managed six shots on target and scored on four of them (plus a pen). Boo-urns.
   1216. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: February 23, 2013 at 01:58 PM (#4374648)
So QPR has 11 games left. Reasonably speaking, they're going to need somewhere in the area of 34 points to stay up. That means they need to basically double their current point total (from 27 games) in their next 11, or averaging more than a point and a half per fixture the rest of the way. I just don't see how they can do that, I think they're pretty doomed.

Reading, Villa and Wigan are all still dancing with danger, but none are as doomed as QPR. And I'm still unconvinced that West Ham can stay up, though they do host Wigan and Reading.
   1217. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: February 23, 2013 at 02:19 PM (#4374663)
Shamburglar!
   1218. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: February 23, 2013 at 02:33 PM (#4374674)
And I'm still unconvinced that West Ham can stay up, though they do host Wigan and Reading.
I mean, anything could happen, but West Ham have played perfectly average football all year. Are they really going to be outplayed by more than two wins by Wigan and Villa? West Ham have been so steady and boring, playing their style of football no matter what, I dunno, of all the clubs in that mid-table scrum, they'd be one of the last I'd think could end up in the relegation battle.

The relegation battle looks like a four-team race for one spot, and it's probably a two-team race between Villa and Wigan, with QPR already ###### and Reading just lacking the quality to play in the league.

Bad loss for Everton today - they were overall outplayed by Norwich, it was a deserved result for the Canaries. I think Everton are counting on Fellaini to do too much - he's both their primary target and creator in the final third and the heart of their midfield defense in the center of the pitch. He's good, but that's just too much responsibility for one man.
   1219. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: February 23, 2013 at 02:49 PM (#4374695)
Yeah, West Ham isn't going down. Sam Allardyce is out of contract in the summer, though, and I don't think he'll be back. Now that they're back up I imagine West Ham will be more ambitious next year. Harry Redknapp coming home would be my guess.
   1220. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: February 23, 2013 at 02:53 PM (#4374699)
Sam Allardyce is out of contract in the summer, though, and I don't think he'll be back.


Just in time to take over from Mourinho!
   1221. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: February 23, 2013 at 03:06 PM (#4374722)
Stoke fans seem to be split on Shea's performance and Pulis' post game comments about him were not promising. Pulis has a habit of buying players and then immediately writing them off so I'm a bit nervous for Shea. Also, what the hell is Cameron doing playing so far forward? Pulis is one strange alchemist.
   1222. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: February 23, 2013 at 03:12 PM (#4374733)
Sam Allardyce is out of contract in the summer, though, and I don't think he'll be back. Now that they're back up I imagine West Ham will be more ambitious next year. Harry Redknapp coming home would be my guess.
Obviously anything can happen in the wacky world of managers, but I'd be very surprised if Big Sam left the Hammers. All the public comments sound to me like once/if West Ham is guaranteed to be safe they'll re-up him. I know there's some segment of the fan base that would have wanted Di Canio, but I think he's basically killed any shot of that with...well, with whatever the hell is going on at Swindon Town.
   1223. Swedish Chef Posted: February 23, 2013 at 03:22 PM (#4374745)
It's a match made in heaven, Sam's not going to get a better job and West Ham isn't going to get a better manager.
   1224. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: February 23, 2013 at 03:24 PM (#4374751)
Also, what the hell is Cameron doing playing so far forward?
I only saw the first 20 minutes of the game, but Cameron looked completely lost playing behind the striker. Which is not surprising, because he's a moderately skilled defender who gets by on power and workrate. I think the case that Pulis is actually significantly underperforming given the club's funding is reasonably convincing.
   1225. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: February 23, 2013 at 03:36 PM (#4374768)
It's a match made in heaven, Sam's not going to get a better job and West Ham isn't going to get a better manager.

I'm sure Sven is available.
   1226. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: February 23, 2013 at 03:37 PM (#4374771)
It's a match made in heaven, Sam's not going to get a better job and West Ham isn't going to get a better manager.

I think West Ham are a bit of a sleeping giant, myself. Well, not a giant like THE MIGHTY HOTSPUR, but they can be as good as Everton are now. It's a well supported club and the Davids have a lot of money. David Gold has a higher net worth than John Henry by himself. With Allardyce they'll stay up but they'll never do much more than that. I think if they really wanted to keep Big Sam around they'd have offered him a contract with a relegation release. All their talk about let's wait and see reminds me of the Redknapp extension talk last year.
   1227. Juilin Sandar to Conkling Speedwell (Arjun) Posted: February 23, 2013 at 03:58 PM (#4374807)
Well, not a giant like THE MIGHTY HOTSPUR

Now you're making me think of Henry IV, Part 1.
   1228. frannyzoo Posted: February 23, 2013 at 04:40 PM (#4374862)
Here's the bench that never saw the pitch today in a 6-1 Bayern victory over Werder Bremen (copy/pasted from Whoscored)

27. Alaba 9.Mandzukic 25.Müller 22.Starke 39.Kroos

Yeah, I'm starting to thinking Pep made a pretty smart decision.
   1229. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: February 23, 2013 at 04:46 PM (#4374875)
Cameron playing that far forward isn't completely egregious - I think he spent the majority of his Dynamo career playing as a midfielder, before moving to defense sometime in the last two years.

On a similar note re: former MLSers (*), Kei Kamara came on as a sub and did quite well -- put one header a foot wide, had a mostly-harmless-but-still-neat half-volley bicycle kick and scored the equalizer.

I also had to laugh at the commentator continually referring to Kamara's previous time spent at "the MLS". Somewhere Gab Marcotti is shaking his head...

(*) I think he's on loan, actually.
   1230. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: February 23, 2013 at 05:13 PM (#4374899)
On a similar note re: former MLSers (*), Kei Kamara came on as a sub and did quite well -- put one header a foot wide, had a mostly-harmless-but-still-neat half-volley bicycle kick and scored the equalizer.
Yeah, I thought Kamara looked solid. He got into dangerous positions, showed a reasonable touch, and played two very good headers.
   1231. DA Baracus Posted: February 23, 2013 at 05:33 PM (#4374910)
Also, what the hell is Cameron doing playing so far forward?


They rotated him and two other midfielders (I can't remember who) up high last week as well. The kitchen sink is next.
   1232. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: February 24, 2013 at 09:53 AM (#4375078)
Is this the Gus Johnson I've heard so much about doing the City-Chelsea game on Fox Soccer? If so, he needs to tone it down at least 5 notches right now.
   1233. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: February 24, 2013 at 09:56 AM (#4375079)
So far, the best manager in the Premier League seems to have done well with his team selection. The midfield three of Garcia-Rodwell-Toure have dominated the first twenty minutes, and once City have possession, Silva and Toure have way too much time to play their game.
   1234. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: February 24, 2013 at 09:58 AM (#4375080)
Is this the Gus Johnson I've heard so much about doing the City-Chelsea game on Fox Soccer? If so, he needs to tone it down at least 5 notches right now.
Yes. And yes.

"Ba! in the area! Ba!! Collects! BA!!!!! Loses possession..."

The problem for Johnson is that he doesn't seem to be able to distinguish real chances, half chances, and not much of anything, quickly enough. The one big chance in this game, when Aguero was one on one with Cech from the left wing, would have been a good point for an announcer like Johnson to go big, but he didn't pick up on it quickly enough. He's gone bigger on three or four other half chances already.
   1235. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: February 24, 2013 at 10:12 AM (#4375083)
I know Chelsea - Man City is a big game, but I really recommend you find the English language stream of Cagliari and Torino. It's being played behind closed doors and it's kind of surreal. You can hear the coaches and players yelling at each other and the sound of the ball as it gets thunked around. Link 2 on thefirstrow.eu should get you there.
   1236. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: February 24, 2013 at 10:14 AM (#4375084)
Wonder-strike by Cisse!

And am I crazy, or has Jack Rodwell been having a brilliant game for City? He's doing a defensive job, and he's regularly making dangerous, direct, intelligent runs from midfield.
   1237. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: February 24, 2013 at 10:22 AM (#4375087)
I really recommend you find the English language stream of Cagliari and Torino.
Weird, wild stuff. Just checked it out here on half time.
   1238. Juilin Sandar to Conkling Speedwell (Arjun) Posted: February 24, 2013 at 10:26 AM (#4375088)
MCoA: It helps that Mata is having an awful game (one of the worst I've seen him play). His touch is off, his passing is wayward (WhoScored has him at 75% for today. He averages 85% apparently, not sure if this supports my point); part of it is that Rodwell/Javi Garcia are putting excellent pressure on him, but I also think he might just be really tired. He's been slow getting up when he's down and his free kicks haven't had the lift or curl that they usually do. My guess is that it's exhaustion - Chelsea have been riding him hard and he played the whole game on Thursday, to boot.
   1239. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: February 24, 2013 at 10:31 AM (#4375089)
Aw, 5-0 banned my link.
   1240. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: February 24, 2013 at 10:44 AM (#4375095)
What happened to the cold-blooded assassin Aguero from last year?
   1241. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: February 24, 2013 at 10:51 AM (#4375096)
The announcer with Johnson made a great point about Lampard and Hrt being England teammates and how that probably helped Hart on the penalty save.
   1242. JuanGone..except1game Posted: February 24, 2013 at 11:07 AM (#4375102)
It helps that Mata is having an awful game (one of the worst I've seen him play). His touch is off, his passing is wayward


Chelsea fans have seen this coming for weeks. Rafa has been burning him out in FA/Europa League matches like you said and he obviously has no energy in this match. Rafa is losing this game with his poor decision not to rest Mata and his ill-fated decision to start Ramires over Moses when we obviously need width.
   1243. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: February 24, 2013 at 11:10 AM (#4375104)
Take off Lapmpard, bring on Torres, Rafa looking to really endear himself to the Chelsea faithful.
   1244. JuanGone..except1game Posted: February 24, 2013 at 11:12 AM (#4375105)
Can't believe that Rafa just took out Mikel and left Ramires out there. Our midfield right now is a recipe for disaster.
   1245. JuanGone..except1game Posted: February 24, 2013 at 11:15 AM (#4375107)
So predictable. To make matter worse, just noticed that he moved to a 3-2-3-2 out there. That man wants to be managing in the Czech league next season.
   1246. Juilin Sandar to Conkling Speedwell (Arjun) Posted: February 24, 2013 at 11:17 AM (#4375108)
To make matter worse, just noticed that he moved to a 3-2-3-2 out there.

It's still a four-back; Ramires is just playing at right back (David Luiz in the midfield). (EDIT: not that it matters by now, of course)
   1247. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: February 24, 2013 at 11:19 AM (#4375109)
Arsenal only 2 back of Chelsea now in the table. The NLD might not be an elimination game for Tottenham and Arsenal after all.

It's garbage time, so it's NASRI TIME!
   1248. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: February 24, 2013 at 11:22 AM (#4375111)
Torino up on Cagliari now with Cerci scoring another goal. If the result holds, Torino will be top half and creeping up on Udinese. They are having a much better time of it this year than I imagined they would. All I wanted was salvezza!
   1249. JuanGone..except1game Posted: February 24, 2013 at 11:22 AM (#4375112)
It's still a four-back; Ramires is just playing at right back (David Luiz in the midfield).


I think your right though Ramires is roving a bit, BECAUSE HE ISN'T A RIGHT BACK!. Ideally I wouldn't want another in-season change, but I'd take John Terry Player-Manager right now.
   1250. frannyzoo Posted: February 24, 2013 at 12:00 PM (#4375127)
I was watching Juve/Siena..what happened in that Cagliari/Torino game? I see three penalties, two red cards and two goals in extra time (one, of course, a penalty). Most interesting is the Abou Diop red card...one minute after he entered the game. Must have been fun and/or horribly painful to watch.

Correction: The Diop red is in the very same minute he appears. I'm going to youtube for clips on that one.
   1251. Spivey Posted: February 24, 2013 at 12:01 PM (#4375128)
I'm not 100% sure about that: I would put Messi, Iniesta, Xavi, Fabregas, David Villa, Alexis Sanchez, etc. or Gomez, Muller, Robben, Ribery, Mandzukic, Kroos, etc. up against Rooney, Van Persie, Kagawa, Hernandez, Nani, etc. fairly reasonably. You could probably also make an argument for Real Madrid, just based off of Ronaldo, Higuain, Benzema, Ozil, and Di Maria, as well.


That's fair. I think those players are arguably better, and they are creative/attacking players so in that respect I think there's some merit.

I think that RVP and Rooney are the best forwards in the world though. Hernandez and Nani are really good goal scorers, too. That's more what is so impressive about them - they just seem to be able to create huge chances without dominating the game, and they seem to always convert them. Munich is pretty crazy though - Mario Gomez on the bench for them is insane. I don't know if he just hasn't been fit, but I think very highly of him.
   1252. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: February 24, 2013 at 12:02 PM (#4375129)
Who's got the League Cup final? Is it BeIn? Fox nor ESPN are showing it.
   1253. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: February 24, 2013 at 12:02 PM (#4375130)
I was watching Juve/Siena..what happened in that Cagliari/Torino game?

I don't know. I don't want to know. Boo!
   1254. frannyzoo Posted: February 24, 2013 at 12:02 PM (#4375131)
Bein for the League Cup.
   1255. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: February 24, 2013 at 12:03 PM (#4375132)
It's BeIn.

LET'S GO BRADFORD!
   1256. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: February 24, 2013 at 12:05 PM (#4375133)
Man, those are some ugly uni's for Bradford.

That's a total -1, right there ...

   1257. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: February 24, 2013 at 12:06 PM (#4375134)
Really disappointed that I can't see the League Cup. The last couple of finals have been a lot of fun.
   1258. frannyzoo Posted: February 24, 2013 at 12:08 PM (#4375135)
Jose, it's not the highest quality, but here's a pretty good link.
   1259. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: February 24, 2013 at 12:12 PM (#4375137)
I'm totally for Swansea. They're the ones who really deserve the silverware, given the quality football they've played everywhere for several years running, as opposed to Bradford who've beaten Arsenal, some relegation fodder, and some lower league clubs while also being pretty blah in League Two.

Looking it up, Swansea would be the first Welsh club to win an English cup competition since 1927.
   1260. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: February 24, 2013 at 12:19 PM (#4375140)
Balls.

(not that I'm against Swansea, even if their lineup and performance against Liverpool in advance of this match left a #### taste in my mouth ...)

   1261. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: February 24, 2013 at 12:33 PM (#4375144)
Not that anybody here cares about rugby, but this is the most wins for Scotland in the Six nations, since 2006. 'This' being two.
   1262. frannyzoo Posted: February 24, 2013 at 12:36 PM (#4375146)
Love the Bradford kits myself, I'm a sucker for hoops and stripes. Celtic is perhaps my single favorite kit, too bad it's worn by such a crappy team to root for (imh, Irish-American, opinion).

If Swansea was making better choices in the final third, this could be 3 or 4 nil right now.
   1263. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: February 24, 2013 at 12:42 PM (#4375147)
No miracles for Bradford City today. They are completely outclassed here.
   1264. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: February 24, 2013 at 12:42 PM (#4375148)
Meh.
   1265. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: February 24, 2013 at 01:08 PM (#4375163)
After working so hard to win this thing and get into Europe, I hope Swansea don't make those tired complaints next year about what a distraction Europe is.
   1266. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: February 24, 2013 at 01:16 PM (#4375170)
Dyer really wants that hat trick.
   1267. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: February 24, 2013 at 01:20 PM (#4375176)
Well, that's that ... well, that that before that that was that ... but you know what I mean ...
   1268. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: February 24, 2013 at 01:24 PM (#4375178)
Wow ... what a bizarre display by Dyer.
   1269. Richard Posted: February 24, 2013 at 01:27 PM (#4375182)
A hat trick in a Cup final would be a rare thing indeed...never done in the League Cup, not done in the FA Cup since 1953.
   1270. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: February 24, 2013 at 01:32 PM (#4375184)
I thought they should have let Dyer take it, myself, so I'm sympathetic to the little guy.
   1271. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: February 24, 2013 at 01:32 PM (#4375186)
I suppose.

It's the Capitol One League Cup against Bradford; I'm having trouble spotting the special nature of the moment ...

[edit] I get why Dyer would want to take the penalty, what I don't get it why he was so pissy and unconsoleable about it ... I mean, DeGuzman did *win* the penalty, and, after all, it is only a ####### League Cup Final against lesser opposition ...
   1272. frannyzoo Posted: February 24, 2013 at 01:35 PM (#4375189)
I'm wondering if Capitol One might be considering letting Carling have the Cup back at this point.
   1273. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: February 24, 2013 at 01:37 PM (#4375190)
Probably the only chance at a hat trick he'll have in his career. He's not exactly a goal scoring machine.
   1274. Swedish Chef Posted: February 24, 2013 at 01:38 PM (#4375192)
I'm having trouble spotting the special nature of the moment ...

Shut up and go eat your prawn sandwich then.
   1275. Richard Posted: February 24, 2013 at 01:39 PM (#4375194)
Yes, 40 odd thousand Swansea fans think it's pretty special I'm sure.
   1276. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: February 24, 2013 at 01:42 PM (#4375197)
Anyone know at what stage Swansea will have to start in the Europa? Will they be like Fulham a couple of years ago and start in July against the Faroe Islands champs or some such team?
   1277. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: February 24, 2013 at 01:44 PM (#4375199)
If a guy is sitting on a hattrick, you let him take the penalty. Especially if the game isn't really in doubt. It's pretty common football etiquette.
   1278. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: February 24, 2013 at 01:45 PM (#4375201)
Anyone know at what stage Swansea will have to start in the Europa? Will they be like Fulham a couple of years ago and start in July against the Faroe Islands champs or some such team?


UEFA Europa League Third Qualifying Round
   1279. Swedish Chef Posted: February 24, 2013 at 01:46 PM (#4375202)
Anyone know at what stage Swansea will have to start in the Europa? Will they be like Fulham a couple of years ago and start in July against the Faroe Islands champs or some such team?

The League Cup place is the worst of the English EL places, so they will most likely have to travel somewhere odd.
   1280. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: February 24, 2013 at 01:47 PM (#4375204)
The League Cup place is the worst of the English EL places, so they will most likely have to travel somewhere odd.

Maybe they'll face the New Saints! Which would be a Welsh team representing England facing a Welsh team that plays in England!
   1281. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: February 24, 2013 at 01:57 PM (#4375210)
Shut up and go eat your prawn sandwich then.


Sod off, tosser.
   1282. frannyzoo Posted: February 24, 2013 at 02:00 PM (#4375213)
The Leo Messi-Gerd Mueller goal record situation had me thinking some sort of .X multiplier for penalties should be in place. So a Hat Trick might be 2.70 goals instead of 3.0. The same could be applied to game scores themselves, with penalties only counting for, say, .7. Definitely one of those things you'd want to try out in Football Manager or FIFA first for a few hundred seasons, not to mention the deliberate giving away of penalties when up 2-1 and such. Not that it wouldn't be fun.

So, any .X multiplier would probably only apply to total goal situations like Messi/Mueller. Btw, the final score in today's Cagliari-Torino game would be 3.4 - 2.7 under such a system. An open goal for Torino wins it...hmmm....I kinda like it.
   1283. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: February 24, 2013 at 02:03 PM (#4375215)
So far English teams have a goal differential of 16-0 in the Europa League third qualifying round.

2012 Liverpool 3-0, 1-0 FC Gomel aka FK Homel
2011 Stoke City 1-0, 1-0 Hajduk Split
2010 Liverpool 2-0, 2-0 FK Rabotnicki
2009 Fulham 3-0, 3-0 FK Vetra

The ideal scenario would be
2013 Swansea City 1-1, 2-2 Airbus UK Broughton

Airbus UK Broughton are currently second in the Welsh League. First place is TNS, the team literally on the English border, and second place is Broughton, which is about four miles from England and basically in Merseyside.
   1284. Swedish Chef Posted: February 24, 2013 at 02:05 PM (#4375216)
The Leo Messi-Gerd Mueller goal record situation had me thinking some sort of .X multiplier for penalties should be in place. So a Hat Trick might be 2.70 goals instead of 3.0.

If you're bothered by penalties why not just count goals from play? Most of the credit for a penalty goal should go to the victim/diver after all.

EDIT: I see, you want it to count it like that in games. No thanks.
   1285. frannyzoo Posted: February 24, 2013 at 02:15 PM (#4375220)
I'm not saying I necessarily want to count them in games that way...although it's a fun way of playing Games Rule God (which is always fun). I'm okay with only counting open play goals for year/career stats and such, but I'm guessing that's a minority position.
   1286. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: February 24, 2013 at 02:49 PM (#4375228)
I think in player evaluation counting PK goals differently makes sense. I'm just not sure how to do it. If I'm looking for a pure sniper then the guy with 15 goals but 0 PK goals is more appealing than the guy who has 15 goals but 5 on PKs. However, the ability to put the ball in the net reliably on a PK has value (hello Jonathan Walters) and should not be dismissed. It's a skill but not necessarily the same skill as being a scorer.

For record keeping purposes I feel the same about goals and PKs that I do about homers and steroids. If you put the ball in the net it counts as a goal.
   1287. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: February 24, 2013 at 02:53 PM (#4375230)
I think counting the PK as a goal is extremely analogous to counting an intentional walk as a walk. They have no relation to what the player would do when actually being challenged to accomplish something. Better / more respected players get more of them, through no fault of their own.
   1288. SuperGrover Posted: February 24, 2013 at 03:09 PM (#4375240)
What happened to the cold-blooded assassin Aguero from last year?


I think he was drunk. Or high. Yeah, maybe high. He was absolutely awful.

RE: Gus Johnson

I've heard him three times now and today was easily his worst performance. It seemed as though he took the criticism to heart and responded by trying to "learn" the game. So, instead of simply calling the action, he was now offering tidbits on players and situations, at least once or twice being blatantly wrong (err...I meant Belgian. Yeah Hazard is Belgian even though he played in France.). Further, he called EVERY single pass receipt by a full back in the opposition half an overlapping run, often times when the fullback was simply pushing forward. He also failed to see obvious actions, such as Mata not moving on a ball because he was in an offside's position, not because he wasn't ready. Another example was his claiming that Rodwell's (I think it was Rodwell) shot had too much power when it was clear to anyone watching the broadcast that the shot was actually on target but had been saved by Cech. Just an awful performance.

He needs to stop trying to add insight to the game. He doesn't know it and sounds silly when he does. Simply call the action as you see it. He doesn't have to say Clichy's on an overlapping run; you don't even know what one is. Simply say "to Clichy" and be done with it. Once that's done you can turn it down about 6 notches and you might have a shot of being an acceptable PBP man.
   1289. Mefisto Posted: February 24, 2013 at 04:02 PM (#4375257)
I completely agree with 1288. Johnson was really irritating today.
   1290. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: February 24, 2013 at 06:30 PM (#4375313)
Yeah, I don't get why Johnson is so bad. I've only been watching soccer religiously a few years but I feel I have a better read on the game than he does. Also, he says the names funny which is a small thing, but it makes me question how much soccer he's actually watched. The British color guys can butcher names, but the PBP guys are good about trying to get it right. I don't know, I'll be patient with him, but he hasn't been promising so far. He really needs to stop the John Sterling habit of getting overly excited about the wrong things and completely missing the important things. Also, he doesn't seem to have enough of a well of knowledge to draw analysis or just stories from the color guy. Honestly, I hope he gets there, but if he doesn't, just get me a non-descript English guy because those guys are just fine, really. I don't HAVE to have an American voice telling me what I'm seeing.
   1291. Richard Posted: February 24, 2013 at 08:21 PM (#4375374)
Yeah, I don't get why Johnson is so bad.

Because he doesn't know enough about what he's watching?

There is no way that someone with as little knowledge of soccer or as little experience of broadcasting it would get a regular gig as a TV play by play man in, say, England. The TV guys usually do years on Radio first.
   1292. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: February 24, 2013 at 08:29 PM (#4375379)
Yeah, I don't get why Johnson is so bad.


Based on the rest of the paragraph that followed, I can only think that this first sentence was either a typo or complete sarcasm ...
   1293. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: February 24, 2013 at 11:06 PM (#4375422)
Based on the rest of the paragraph that followed, I can only think that this first sentence was either a typo or complete sarcasm ...

It was an honest question. He's been calling MLS games on the radio and, unless he's a liar, he's been making an intense study of the sport the last couple of years, yet he sounds like he just started following the sport last week. It's just strange to me. He's an experienced broadcaster so I just don't get why he can't do a better job.
   1294. I am going to be Frank Posted: February 24, 2013 at 11:09 PM (#4375424)
At this point we're stuck with him so I just hope he gets better. Any game he's going to be doing we're all going to want to watch. Hopefully he improves to the point where he doesn't take too much away. Just like every other televised sporting event we may get pissed at crappy announcers but we're going to watch it anyway. Johnson actually has a fanbase so I can see why Fox wanted to try this.
   1295. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: February 25, 2013 at 12:01 AM (#4375442)
I wouldn't be surprised if nerves are part of the issue. It doesn't take a lot to be noticeably off when you are talking pretty continuously for 90 minutes. Also, his style is going to make the misreads of situations more obvious. The over excitement is his style, that's not going away so when he reads a play wrong, as all announcers do, it's more obvious than with others.

Lastly, he probably hasn't bad much time at all with his color men so part of the problem with his bringing out the best of them is likely a simple function of familiarity or lack thereof. Of course Johnson is also about as far from stuff upper lip English as you are going to get. I can easily picture Barton spending 90 minutes giving him the "what the #### are you all worked up about" smirk he gives Wynalda on occasion.

I think criticizing him for being loud and boisterous is not really a fair criticism of performance, more one of style. Fox hired him for that style so they obviously think its the way to go.
   1296. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: February 25, 2013 at 01:17 AM (#4375462)
I agree we shouldn't criticize Gus Johnson for being Gus Johnson. I'm fine with loud and boisterous. I enjoy it, plus loud and boisterous is absolutely how you sell soccer in America - get people into the excitement of the big chance and the half chance. But you have to actually help teach people to identify those chances and distinguish them from a ball in the box. Johnson so far has been really bad at that, and that's the problem.

I don't think the problem is that his style makes the misreads more obvious, it's that he's making more misreads.
   1297. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: February 25, 2013 at 08:13 AM (#4375514)
AVB says get out of your mother's basement already, nerds

"I don't use it because I don't believe in it," Villas-Boas said. "Sometimes certain tasks might not achieve specific physical data that rewards premium efficiency in terms of a physical performance.

That last one is probably the platonic ideal of a Villas-Boas sentence. That is some kind of jibberish.
   1298. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: February 25, 2013 at 08:16 AM (#4375515)
   1299. Flynn Posted: February 25, 2013 at 08:21 AM (#4375516)
Not that anybody here cares about rugby, but this is the most wins for Scotland in the Six nations, since 2006. 'This' being two.


Speak for yourself, peat muncher.

   1300. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: February 25, 2013 at 10:29 AM (#4375550)
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