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Tuesday, January 01, 2013

OT: The Soccer Thread: January 2013

Because the first sporting event of 2013 that I watched was a soccer match.

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   1101. Mattbert Posted: January 23, 2013 at 05:08 PM (#4353592)
Flat. track. bullies.
   1102. SuperGrover Posted: January 23, 2013 at 05:10 PM (#4353596)
Is the Swansea-Chelsea game as boring as the commentary makes it seem? Anyone watching?
   1103. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: January 23, 2013 at 05:11 PM (#4353598)
Ugh
   1104. Mattbert Posted: January 23, 2013 at 05:14 PM (#4353601)
And yes I realize one of Arsenal's five big wins came against minnow club Tottering Flopsur. The other four: Southampton, Reading, Newcastle, and West Ham (so far).
   1105. SuperGrover Posted: January 23, 2013 at 05:16 PM (#4353606)
LOL. In defense, that was only after Adebayor decided to project his anger of the home fans onto Santi Cazorla's thighs.
   1106. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: January 23, 2013 at 05:26 PM (#4353618)
Well, that's a new one. Hazard sent off for kicking a ballboy.
   1107. SuperGrover Posted: January 23, 2013 at 05:26 PM (#4353619)
Ok so what the Hell just happened in the Chelsea game. Here's the ESPN commentary:

80' EDEN HAZARD IS OFF
80'Chris Foy talks to Hazard and Lampard, a long chat.
79'The ballboy looks hurt and there's arguments among the players. If that's been seen it has to be a red card.
78'The ballboy goes to get the ball and lies on top of it to stop Hazard reclaiming. Hazard them kicks out at the ballboy to get it back quickly!

Seems the ballboy would be at fault no?
   1108. Mattbert Posted: January 23, 2013 at 05:28 PM (#4353622)
Well, that's a new one. Hazard sent off for kicking a ballboy.

Oh, we can only hope for a Suarez-style defense: "It is a cultural misunderstanding! In Belgium, kicking the ballboy is a sign of fraternal affection."
   1109. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: January 23, 2013 at 05:28 PM (#4353623)
That's not how it really happened. The ballboy bent down to retrieve the ball. Hazard must have felt he was taking too long and kind of knocked him over in trying to get to the ball. Naturally, in being knocked over the ballboy landed on top of the ball. Hazard kicked at him to (successfully, at least) try to get the ball.
   1110. SuperGrover Posted: January 23, 2013 at 05:29 PM (#4353625)
I would think it has top be pretty damn egregious to send him off. Otherwise, the precedent is pretty terrible.
   1111. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: January 23, 2013 at 05:31 PM (#4353626)
Just saw a slo-mo, close-up replay. It was pretty egregious.
   1112. Mattbert Posted: January 23, 2013 at 05:32 PM (#4353629)
Video. Best angle is the last five seconds or so.

Your move, Jeffrey Maier.
   1113. SuperGrover Posted: January 23, 2013 at 05:33 PM (#4353632)
Just saw a slo-mo, close-up replay. It was pretty egregious.


Good.

What is it with Chelsea that makes every single one of their players turn into a total dick?
   1114. Swedish Chef Posted: January 23, 2013 at 05:33 PM (#4353633)
Seems the ballboy would be at fault no?

Whatever the fault of the ballboy, there's no clause in soccer laws that makes it legal to kick out at rule breakers.

   1115. DA Baracus Posted: January 23, 2013 at 05:34 PM (#4353634)
Well his name is Hazard!
   1116. SuperGrover Posted: January 23, 2013 at 05:36 PM (#4353637)
That is HILARIOUS! Teenager trying to impact the game gets a nice kick. I am sorry but it's pretty hard to feel sorry for him.

The kick was stupid as all hell but WTF is the ball boy doing sitting on the ball like that?

Red card is justified but that kid needs no sympathy.
   1117. DA Baracus Posted: January 23, 2013 at 05:37 PM (#4353638)
Kid was being a douche trying to time waste but he didn't deserve that.
   1118. SuperGrover Posted: January 23, 2013 at 05:39 PM (#4353640)
Whatever the fault of the ballboy, there's no clause in soccer laws that makes it legal to kick out at rule breakers.



Agree 100%.

I kind of hope the locals try and press charges on Hazard. That would be all kinds of humorous.
   1119. Mattbert Posted: January 23, 2013 at 05:41 PM (#4353644)
Some great moments in ballboy mugging history are, of course, emerging on Twitter:

Jens Lehmann too slow for Hannover ballboy

A classic moment at White Hart Lane

Old Timey goodness
   1120. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: January 23, 2013 at 05:41 PM (#4353645)
The kick was stupid as all hell but WTF is the ball boy doing sitting on the ball like that?

Again, Hazard did knock him over in the first place. Granted, the ballboy made a meal of the whole thing.
   1121. DA Baracus Posted: January 23, 2013 at 05:43 PM (#4353649)
   1122. SuperGrover Posted: January 23, 2013 at 06:22 PM (#4353676)
Looks at the ball boys tweet prior to the game:

Charlie Morgan™ ?@CHARLIEM0RGAN
The king of all ball boys is back making his final appearance #needed #for #timewasting

Oops. Seems it has been or is in the process of being deleted.

Methinks Hazard, the ball boy and Swansea will all get a talking to after this one.

Also, not sure how old the kid is but he's drinking in his profile pic. Not trying to defend Hazard at allo but think this guy is a total disgrace. The older he is, the worse he becomes.

EDIT: Turns out he is 17. So, he's basically an adult. What a douche.
   1123. I am going to be Frank Posted: January 23, 2013 at 06:26 PM (#4353679)
So either a Welsh team or Bradford in Europe. I guess that's pretty awesome.

Also, not sure how old the kid is but he's drinking in his profile pic. Not trying to defend Hazard at allo but think this guy is a total disgrace. The older he is, the worse he becomes.


Do the English care about teenage drinking?
   1124. Swedish Chef Posted: January 23, 2013 at 06:30 PM (#4353680)
Do the English care about teenage drinking?

Only in social orders lower than one's own.
   1125. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: January 23, 2013 at 06:34 PM (#4353685)
So either a Welsh team or Bradford in Europe.

Hey now, the Welsh have a club in Europe every year. Usually it's TNS or Bangor City or someone, though. They don't do that CONCACAF thing where they make sure the best club from the country gets into the CL or, in Canada's case, Toronto FC by default (before Vancouver and Montreal arrived, naturally).

I miss all the good stuff that happens in the second half.

edit: Just following the MBM on my way home, it would seem Rafa's subs were kind of insipid, no?
   1126. vortex of dissipation Posted: January 23, 2013 at 06:40 PM (#4353691)
Where are you guys watching ACN btw? Online "legal" streams? I ahven't seen it on Comcast here in Chicago.


ESPN3 has all the games.


I haven't really been following the tournament, but all of the games are available on replay. Could someone suggest a game that's been played so far that would be good to watch on replay?
   1127. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: January 23, 2013 at 06:41 PM (#4353693)
Just saw the replay and can I offer a plague on both their houses? The ballboy was being a dick but Hazard shouldn't have taken the bait. Hazard should get his 3 games but that ballboy should be replaced, too.
   1128. DA Baracus Posted: January 23, 2013 at 06:43 PM (#4353695)
Well as shown above, his twitter account indicates this is his last game.
   1129. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: January 23, 2013 at 06:46 PM (#4353698)
Well as shown above, his twitter account indicates this is his last game.

Then well played to him, I guess. He made his last game count!

I haven't really been following the tournament, but all of the games are available on replay. Could someone suggest a game that's been played so far that would be good to watch on replay?

Togo-Ivory Coast was a bit slow but dramatic and featured some quality players. Watching Morocco get flummoxed by Cape Verde was kind of fun, too.
   1130. DA Baracus Posted: January 23, 2013 at 06:49 PM (#4353700)
Algeria-Tunisia was a snooze fest, don't bother watching that.
   1131. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: January 23, 2013 at 07:22 PM (#4353721)
Just saw the replay and can I offer a plague on both their houses? The ballboy was being a dick but Hazard shouldn't have taken the bait. Hazard should get his 3 games but that ballboy should be replaced, too.
Fully second the "pox on both their houses".

But I think Hazard should get quite a bit more than three games. That kick wasn't just dangerous play, it was simply a violent act intended to injure.
   1132. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: January 23, 2013 at 07:25 PM (#4353722)
Algeria-Tunisia was a snooze fest, don't bother watching that.
Well, the last five minutes were fun.

So far the ACN hasn't featured much quality football for spectators - there's a lot of typical early round conservative play, combined with 90+ degree temperatures killing the tempo of the games. Even in the best games, you get wonderful, dynamic play for a couple minutes, then a bunch of recovery time. Togo - Cote d'Ivoire was like that, and is worth watching for the parts where it gets really good.
   1133. vortex of dissipation Posted: January 23, 2013 at 07:29 PM (#4353726)
Togo-Ivory Coast was a bit slow but dramatic and featured some quality players.


Togo - Cote d'Ivoire was like that, and is worth watching for the parts where it gets really good.


Thanks - I'll try that game.
   1134. SuperGrover Posted: January 23, 2013 at 07:32 PM (#4353727)
Is it just me or does one imagine that Hazard looked much like the ball boy as a wee lad? In other words, like an absolute tool?

I really can't stop laughing at the absurdity of the entire thing. If only Terry could have been involved somehow.
   1135. Darkness and the howling fantods Posted: January 23, 2013 at 07:34 PM (#4353728)
That kick wasn't just dangerous play, it was simply a violent act intended to injure.


I don't know, this is a violent act intended to injure. Hazard's seemed more like a violent act intended to get the kid to roll over, but yeah maybe worth more than 3 games.
   1136. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: January 23, 2013 at 07:44 PM (#4353735)
Yeah, I don't mean to be overdramatic. (I was being overdramatic.) It's all ridiculous.

But still, you cannot be doing that, even if the kid is a jackass and you look like a petulant child when you do it.
If only Terry could have been involved somehow.
There's still time! He must have a public statement to offer on this, given that he is a courageous leader of men, much like a soldier in so many ways.
   1137. Gaelan Posted: January 23, 2013 at 07:45 PM (#4353736)
Hazard shouldn't get anything. A non-player interfered with the game and got what he deserved. If the ballboy deserved it then by definition Hazard isn't culpable of anything. Hazard shouldn't have even got a card.

[Edit] So I wrote that without watching the video. Having seen the video I can't believe the words violent and attempt to injure are being used to describe his actions. He did nothing but try and get the ball back in the easiest way possible against someone intentionally trying to distort the outcome of the game. The fact that he is a paid employee of one of the teams makes it worse not better. Hazard should have his penalty rescinded and Swansea should forfeit the game.

Hazard is a hero and my new favourite player. Seriously, if I was Hazard I wouldn't apologize and would defend myself to the end. There is a line in the sand where we stop being a civilized society. This is it.
   1138. SuperGrover Posted: January 23, 2013 at 07:47 PM (#4353737)
BTW, the Guardian says the ball boy is the son of Swansea board member?!?!? WTH? This thing keeps getting weirder and weirder.

Luckily it seems that most quotes in the press are recognizing the wrongs on both sides of the issue.
   1139. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: January 23, 2013 at 07:48 PM (#4353738)
A non-player interfered with the game and got what he deserved. If the ballboy deserved it then by definition Hazard isn't culpable of anything.
He deserved to be thrown out of the grounds and have the wasted time accounted for by the referee. You don't get to hit people when they do things you dislike - that's a preschool lesson.
   1140. DA Baracus Posted: January 23, 2013 at 07:49 PM (#4353739)
BTW, the Guardian says the ball boy is the son of Swansea board member?!?!? WTH?


Not at all surprising that a son/nephew of a club member/friend of a club member gets a job like that. I think I'd be more surprised if it was some random kid.
   1141. Darkness and the howling fantods Posted: January 23, 2013 at 07:50 PM (#4353740)
There's still time! He must have a public statement to offer on this, given that he is a courageous leader of men, much like a soldier in so many ways.


Not to worry, the whole thing probably started because Terry was sleeping with the kid's girlfriend.
   1142. Gaelan Posted: January 23, 2013 at 07:59 PM (#4353741)
He deserved to be thrown out of the grounds and have the wasted time accounted for by the referee. You don't get to hit people when they do things you dislike - that's a preschool lesson


He didn't hit him. He kicked at the ball. It's not like he stomped on his face.

Another preschool lesson is that no one likes a tattle-tale. It's not Hazard's job (or any person's job) to wait around for the referee to dispense justice. It is their job to act justly. One of the chief things wrong with our society is that we abdicate responsibility for justice to higher authorities who aren't worthy of that responsibility. The ball was Hazard's by right and he acted to enforce that right. I have no problem with it and think he showed restraint.

To hear you describe it you'd think he beat the ballboy while he was down when he actually barely touched him.
   1143. Darkness and the howling fantods Posted: January 23, 2013 at 08:04 PM (#4353745)
It's not Hazard's job (or any person's job) to wait around for the referee to dispense justice.


Actually it is.
   1144. Swedish Chef Posted: January 23, 2013 at 08:06 PM (#4353747)
Hazard is a hero and my new favourite player. Seriously, if I was Hazard I wouldn't apologize and would defend myself to the end. There is a line in the sand where we stop being a civilized society. This is it.

Hazard doesn't dare to be your hero, the wimp:

Chelsea's manager, Rafael Benítez, said that Hazard and the ballboy had exchanged apologies in the dressing room after the match.

"They apologised to each other," he said. "They both talked. The boy knows he was wasting time. Hazard was frustrated and trying to get the ball back.

"We can not change the situation. We are disappointed because we lost a player. The best thing for us is to move forward."
   1145. Gaelan Posted: January 23, 2013 at 08:07 PM (#4353748)
Again, Hazard barely touched him. If this happened in normal life at a random field no one would think there was anything wrong with what Hazard did. To go back to the school analogy something this violent probably happens every week in the playground of every school and no one thinks any of it is wrong.
   1146. SuperGrover Posted: January 23, 2013 at 08:11 PM (#4353749)
There is no reason 1142 and 1143 can't both be correct. The official rule of soccer law states that Hazard most certainly should wait, yet socially responsible folks might argue that Hazard should stay up for an unjust act. I see no reason both viewpoints cannot co-exist.

With that said, let's get back to something we can all agree is hilarious.
   1147. Richard Posted: January 23, 2013 at 08:56 PM (#4353764)
Not at all surprising that a son/nephew of a club member/friend of a club member gets a job like that. I think I'd be more surprised if it was some random kid.

Ball boys are usually youth team players or teenagers from the club's junior teams. My brother did the job a couple of times via this route.
   1148. madvillain Posted: January 23, 2013 at 10:12 PM (#4353784)
Everything about that Hazard / Ball Boy sequence was quintessentially soccer from an American perspective. You had the ludicrous situation of a rival team employee refusing to give up the ball (imagine one of the cable holding guys in the nfl doing this on a critical drive), you had the ball boy's obvious over-reaction to his injury, and then you had the absurdity of a guy getting a red card for simply doing what any 95% of pro athletes would do in that situation.

I couldn't stop laughing when I saw the replay. Comedy of the absurd all around.
   1149. SuperGrover Posted: January 24, 2013 at 12:34 AM (#4353821)
and then you had the absurdity of a guy getting a red card for simply doing what any 95% of pro athletes would do in that situation.


I keep wondering how that situation would have played out if Hazard were Ray Lewis. Something tells me things would have turned out differently.

Hell, imagine old school Dick Butkus being in that situation. My lord...

This is absolutely hilarious on so many levels. The latest ESPN "column" being just the most recent example.

What a maroon (applied to pretty much everyone involved).

   1150. Baldrick Posted: January 24, 2013 at 01:29 AM (#4353831)
The ball-guy was behaving in a wildly inappropriate fashion, clearly exaggerated the hell out of the kick, and deserves nothing but scorn from all right-thinking individuals in the world.

That said, you don't get to kick people for being idiots.

Swansea should be punished, the ball-guy should be banned for a year from any matches, and Hazard should get a three-game suspension.

Oh, and referees should punish time-wasting with an iron fist so as to prevent idiocy like this from even happening.
   1151. SuperGrover Posted: January 24, 2013 at 03:04 AM (#4353838)
OK just saw an angle on Sky Sports. Absolutely no way did Hazard push him. The p.o.s. simply fell as Hazard tried to grab the ball.

I'm going more towards Gaelan's opinion here. #### that kid. Hazard did nothing wrong. Had I been in the same situation I would have done the same thing.

EDIT: Saw another angle. It's even worse. This guy is scum. To Hell with Swansea and their douche bag board member sons.
   1152. sardonic Posted: January 24, 2013 at 04:32 AM (#4353850)
Yeah, I'm with Hazard on this. I'm no Chelsea fan, but #### that kid. It's hard to blame Hazard -- the kid's action was not only wildly inappropriate and bullshit, but completely bizarre. I've never seen anything remotely like it, so it's not surprising that Hazard didn't quite know how to react. It's not like Hazard's first reaction was to violence either. There's also a strong case to be made that he was kicking at the ball to get it out, which is his right. Even then the kick was hardly vicious.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubL5ux5WcBg
   1153. sardonic Posted: January 24, 2013 at 04:39 AM (#4353853)
It seems clear to me that Hazard did not push the kid down -- the kid intentionally fell on the ball to waste time, and then refused to get off of it. Hazard first tries to roll him off the ball and the kid is actively resisting him.
   1154. Swedish Chef Posted: January 24, 2013 at 05:28 AM (#4353856)
Deloitte has released their Football Money League. The usual suspects are up there. The most noteworthy thing is that Valencia fell off to ensure that the Real-Barcelona hegemony stands out even more. They both pull in more than four times as much as their nearest domestic "competitors".
   1155. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: January 24, 2013 at 06:07 AM (#4353858)
I haven't watched it again, but with multiple people saying Hazard didn't push him (as I had been sure he had), I guess I must have seen it incorrectly.
   1156. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: January 24, 2013 at 08:27 AM (#4353878)
Iker Casillas broke his hand. He's had an up and down year to say the least. Fernando Llorente is officially a Juventus player. Boo! Man U are about to sign Wilfried Zaha according to the BBC. Spurs are sort of chasing Gary Hooper. Honestly, I'd rather have Jozy if they're setting their sights at that level of striker.

edit: Also, it's kind of a bummer that ballboy-gate is taking the spotlight off Swansea shutting Chelsea out over 2-legs and nothing in Hazard's game makes me thing he's a dirty or overly aggressive player. Unfortunate all around.
   1157. frannyzoo Posted: January 24, 2013 at 09:20 AM (#4353892)
I think it's clear Rafa paid this board-member's son ballboy scum to do that to deflect attention from the fact that his world-class team got beat by some Welsh outfit 2-0 (not just 1-0). Manti Te'o is involved, too, obviously, although he'll deny it surely.
   1158. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: January 24, 2013 at 09:21 AM (#4353893)
Zaha's numbers for Palace are not immediately eye-catching. Five goals and four assists in 27 games (all starts). 42 shots, 21 on target are ok to good numbers, but the lack of finishing quality seems notable. Obviously there's a lot more to player quality than shots, goals, and assists, and there are surely context issues to be worked out. Plus, a kid who recently turned 20 has some time to develop his game. But still, if you're paying £15M, don't you want a little more production at the Championship level?

Compare Zaha to Blackpool's Thomas Ince, another winger, who is about ten months older and has been linked to a Premier League transfer at a lower cost. With 13 goals (7th in the Championship), 11 assists (2nd), Ince is only player in the top ten in both stats. He's also taken 72 shots, putting 39 on target. That's the sort of thing you'd like to see in an expensive transfer target from a lower league.
   1159. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: January 24, 2013 at 09:31 AM (#4353896)
My take is that both Hazard and the kid were being jackasses. The kid covering the ball like that was absolutely being inappropriate and as MCOA noted above there should have been in game sanctions (time added back on, kid removed from field) and I think Swansea deserve to be fined for not controlling their ballboy.

That doesn't excuse Hazard kicking him. Even if you take the more benign view that Hazard is kicking the ball it's a ball being held by someone and that's a dangerous act. If Michu was rolling around on top of the ball like that and Hazard "kicked the ball" like that there would be no argument that a red card was deserved (probably for both).

Both people in this situation acted inappropriately.
   1160. Swedish Chef Posted: January 24, 2013 at 09:43 AM (#4353901)
For the 2000 season Swedish giant Malmö FF had been relegated. They had recognized super talent Zlatan Ibrahimovic on top (sold in the summer of 2001 to Ajax for 10 million euro). He scored 12, trailing two non-entities no one outside of Sweden has ever heard of.
   1161. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: January 24, 2013 at 10:22 AM (#4353918)
With that said, let's get back to something we can all agree is hilarious.
Perhaps Arsenal should sign Balotelli, they can exchange notes on the difficulties of modern football gear.

I'm with #1159 (or 1150, which basically says the same thing) on this issue. But I can't believe of all the times for Hazard to lash out like that, he does it in the League Cup. The League Cup! I know--as Arsenal would be happy to tell you--that a trophy is a trophy, but goodness me, you couldn't wait to do that in a competition that really matters?
   1162. zack Posted: January 24, 2013 at 11:23 AM (#4353965)
It probably had more to do with some snickering little #### than the competition.
   1163. Mattbert Posted: January 24, 2013 at 11:33 AM (#4353975)
NYT has published Klinsmann's comment on raising the bar for US players, in full. Here's a part of it:
The stage where we are with soccer in this country, and also the stage with a lot of American players that are actually in Europe, is a stage where there’s a lot of education still necessary. A lot of them were not introduced — and it’s not their fault — they were not introduced yet to what it means to perform consistently on their own personal highest level. They think: “What I do off the field is no big deal. I know how to perform on the field.” But they can’t read themselves yet, and say: “You know what? That was only an 80-percent performance.” The player thinks it was a good performance. I come as a coach and say, “No that was not good enough.”

They were not benchmarked, really, in the past, and that’s why I came in and said: “Your benchmark should be higher. Clint Dempsey, your benchmark should be a championship team. That’s your benchmark, not Fulham.” All due respect to Fulham, obviously. Wherever you are right now, that’s not really your benchmark. If you really want to become a so-called exceptional player, your goal should be a Champions League team. Your goal should be, within a Champions League team, to become a leader. Your goal should be winning a competition like that. At the end of the day, you want to get to the World Cup and get a couple of rounds further than you ever did before. That’s the level of the Champions League. If you want to go to the World Cup quarter or semifinal one day, you’ve got to perform with the best out there. And the best out there play the Champions League in Europe.
   1164. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: January 24, 2013 at 11:34 AM (#4353978)
So what happens to Valencia now that it's been taken over by the state? That seems like an untenable situation.
   1165. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: January 24, 2013 at 11:57 AM (#4354006)
Fox Soccer Channel is dead.

The inevitable. I thought there was a chance they might try to do with the Bundesliga and the Brazilian top flight what they did for English soccer but they're probably making the right call.
   1166. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: January 24, 2013 at 12:04 PM (#4354011)
A russian doll of Spanish debt.

I found this googling Valencia. So, you have a municipality that is in debt which now has a stake in 3 debt ridden clubs that owe money to banks it can't pay, said banks also owned by the state for being in debt. Yikes!
   1167. DA Baracus Posted: January 24, 2013 at 12:05 PM (#4354013)
   1168. Swedish Chef Posted: January 24, 2013 at 12:14 PM (#4354018)
An easy solution to Spanish football's financial woes would be to make Real pay a Drama Tax for each episode of silly antics in the press (like the current Ramos-Casillas Mourinho ultimatum thing) and use it to support the 18 other teams.
   1169. Mattbert Posted: January 24, 2013 at 12:17 PM (#4354021)
Iain Macintosh sums up my thoughts on the hazardous ballboy kerfuffle (to the extent that I bothered to have any) pretty much perfectly. In essence: Wanker gets a boot in the ribs for acting like a wanker. Life goes on. Professional athlete likely to cop a ban for poor, but understandable, lapse of judgement and self-control. Life goes on. Let's talk about Swansea.
   1170. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: January 24, 2013 at 12:19 PM (#4354025)
I don't know, I feel like I should pay Real for all the free entertainment. They make me feel like one of the 47%.
   1171. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: January 24, 2013 at 12:19 PM (#4354027)
Iain Macintosh sums up my thoughts on the hazardous ballboy kerfuffle (to the extent that I bothered to have any) pretty much perfectly. In essence: Wanker gets a boot in the ribs for acting like a wanker. Life goes on. Professional athlete likely to cop a ban for poor, but understandable, lapse of judgement and self-control. Life goes on. Let's talk about Swansea.

I think this is the reasonable view of it. Won't sell any papers this way.
   1172. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: January 24, 2013 at 12:23 PM (#4354030)
Fox Soccer Channel is dead.
I'm not surprised, and--while I know that's where the money is--it's a little silly to look at primetime ratings for FSC, when clearly their most popular programming airs in the early AM. Which is a big part of the problem, I suppose.
   1173. ursus arctos Posted: January 24, 2013 at 01:02 PM (#4354071)
Swiss Ramble was rather optimistic about Valencia 16 months ago.

The cajas made Greek banks look like exemplars of financial probity.

   1174. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: January 24, 2013 at 01:20 PM (#4354082)
   1175. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: January 24, 2013 at 01:30 PM (#4354094)
The cajas made Greek banks look like exemplars of financial probity.

Is there a point at which the buck stops? They keep shuffling this debt around but it seems the state and the banks are increasingly unable to forgive late interest payments as they have their own creditors breathing down their neck. And how does this fiscal nightmare end with Roberto Soldado in the lilywhite...
   1176. ursus arctos Posted: January 24, 2013 at 01:31 PM (#4354096)
I think it may come down to whether the ECB would accept Soldado as collateral.
   1177. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: January 24, 2013 at 01:35 PM (#4354099)
I think it may come down to whether the ECB would accept Soldado as collateral.

Oh boy. And my bosses are bullish on Europe...
   1178. DA Baracus Posted: January 24, 2013 at 01:36 PM (#4354103)
Newcastle signed another play from France because why not.
   1179. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: January 24, 2013 at 01:43 PM (#4354113)
Newcastle signed another play from France because why not.

Moussa Sissoko. He's a good one. Has a premier league club ever reinvented itself in the January window like this before? That's 6 new players, I think, all from Ligue 1. They now have 10 French-based outfield players! I'm very intrigued as to how it works out for them.
   1180. Swedish Chef Posted: January 24, 2013 at 01:47 PM (#4354116)
Is there a point at which the buck stops? They keep shuffling this debt around but it seems the state and the banks are increasingly unable to forgive late interest payments as they have their own creditors breathing down their neck.

The Spanish state, unlike the banks, is in pretty good shape compared to Greece and the others, with a quite sustainable debt load. But helping football clubs would be bad politically for a government doing the austerity thing. Bet they're looking to punt that question a long way if it lands on their table.
   1181. DA Baracus Posted: January 24, 2013 at 01:49 PM (#4354117)
The Guardian addressed Newcastle as a "struggling Ligue 1 side." I like that.
   1182. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: January 24, 2013 at 01:54 PM (#4354121)
This spring Alain Pardieu and Olympique de Nouveauchâteau are going to go on a run against their boorish lager-swilling rivals. It'll be the Norman Conquest all over again, but this time coming from the north.
   1183. DA Baracus Posted: January 24, 2013 at 02:03 PM (#4354133)
Go here now before it's too late.

"Olympique de Newcastle"
   1184. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: January 24, 2013 at 02:19 PM (#4354144)
Go here now before it's too late.

"Olympique de Newcastle"


Nickname(s) The French Revolution
Awesome.
   1185. DA Baracus Posted: January 24, 2013 at 02:22 PM (#4354149)
Damn, it's been changed. Although "Le Toon" is still there.
   1186. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: January 24, 2013 at 02:26 PM (#4354159)
At the moment it says

Full name Newchâteau United F.C.
Nickname(s) Le Magpies, Le Toon Army, Le Toon
Founded 9 December 1892
Ground St Jaimes' Park, Newchâteau upon Tyne
(capacity: 52,404[1])


Not enough thought was put into this. "St Jaimes' Park"? How about "Parc des Geordies".
   1187. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: January 24, 2013 at 02:30 PM (#4354168)
Toon fans already have the scarves and berets.

This is going to work out fine.
   1188. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: January 24, 2013 at 02:36 PM (#4354182)
Olympique de Nouveauchâteau are pushing back against the trend of Premier League teams becoming super cosmopolitan, as there are only six native languages among the whole squad.

English: Simpson, Williamson, Perch, Gosling, Taylor, Elliot, Taylor, Ameobi, Ameobi, Ranger, Ferguson, Tavernier, Dummett, Harper, Campbell
French: Cabaye, Sissoko, Cissé, Ben Arfa, Gouffran, Thauvin, Yanga-Mbiwa, Amalfitano, Haidara, Bigirimana, Marveaux, Tioté, Obertan, Debuchy, Abeid
Spanish: Coloccini, Gutiérrez, Xisco
Dutch: Krul, Anita
Italian: Santon (Who has a French sounding name)
Slovene: Vuckic
   1189. I am going to be Frank Posted: January 24, 2013 at 02:39 PM (#4354184)
With the Zaha signing I guess Nani is gone in the summer. Probably the most talented of United's wide players but too moody and inconsistent.

Is there a risk that Newcastle will have problems like QPR integrating all these new players? I think the players Newcastle got are better than the ones QPR got, but damn that's a lot of roster churn in the middle of the season.

All Fox has left is Champions League and World Cup, right?
   1190. Mattbert Posted: January 24, 2013 at 02:42 PM (#4354196)
Is there a risk that Newcastle will have problems like QPR integrating all these new players? I think the players Newcastle got are better than the ones QPR got, but damn that's a lot of roster churn in the middle of the season.

I'm sure there will be some growing pains as the players develop an understanding, but as you point out they do have the considerable advantage of not being s**t.
   1191. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: January 24, 2013 at 02:46 PM (#4354201)
All Fox has left is Champions League and World Cup, right?

They've got Europa League and A-League, too! Not enough to build a network around.
   1192. ursus arctos Posted: January 24, 2013 at 03:01 PM (#4354232)
In French, santons are the figures used in nativity scenes.

There's a strong chance that both Cisse and Bigirimana didn't encounter French until they began to go to school in Senegal and Burundi, respectfully.

   1193. Textbook Editor Posted: January 24, 2013 at 03:39 PM (#4354273)
So with Comcast I now get Fox Speed but not Fox Fuel... So I guess I would get Fox Sports 1 but not Fox Sports 2? Which would CL games be on? You'd think FS1 owing to the afternoon start times, but who knows?

   1194. I am going to be Frank Posted: January 24, 2013 at 04:14 PM (#4354305)
I think Champions League would be on both Fox Sports 1 and 2, just like how they are on FSC and FSP.

   1195. sardonic Posted: January 24, 2013 at 04:22 PM (#4354310)
I'm sad no one took a screenshot of the Wikipedia page.
   1196. sardonic Posted: January 24, 2013 at 04:25 PM (#4354314)
Can still see a prior version of the Newcastle page here.
   1197. sardonic Posted: January 24, 2013 at 04:28 PM (#4354318)
Heh, my French friend suggest "Les Miserables" as Noveauchateau's nickname.
   1198. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: January 24, 2013 at 04:30 PM (#4354319)
Newcastle are now linked with a midfielder from Bastia. Fantastic.
   1199. I am going to be Frank Posted: January 24, 2013 at 04:54 PM (#4354339)
I had to look up Bastia to find out where it was and what league it plays in. Its crazy that a team from the second biggest city (really a town) on Corsica plays in the top French League. Hell I just realized that there are two Corsican teams in Ligue 1.
   1200. ursus arctos Posted: January 24, 2013 at 05:48 PM (#4354377)
I'm guessing that you don't know that Bastia played in a UEFA Cup Final then, either.

Or that Jacques Tati made a film about them.

Back on this side of the pond, a very fine article on how Tijuana have embraced the ambiguities of the border.



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