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OT: The Soccer Thread: January 2013

Because the first sporting event of 2013 that I watched was a soccer match.

fra paolo Posted: January 01, 2013 at 02:38 PM | 1784 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1701. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: January 31, 2013 at 03:21 PM (#4359406)
Spurs Think Factory!

Ryan Mason goes on loan to Lorient in France.
   1702. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: January 31, 2013 at 03:22 PM (#4359407)
Alvaro Negredo is playing for Sevilla tonight. I think he's not going anywhere.
   1703. Mattbert Posted: January 31, 2013 at 03:22 PM (#4359409)
SPURS THINK FACTORY
Attacking midfielder Ryan Mason joins Lorient on loan for the remainder of the season. Continuing the trend of the last few days with a number of Tottenham yutes going on loan abroad instead of the lower leagues in England.
   1704. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: January 31, 2013 at 03:24 PM (#4359412)
Diame's release clause has been triggered. Don't know which club--Arsenal is my guess.
   1705. ursus arctos Posted: January 31, 2013 at 03:25 PM (#4359413)
Mystery Premier League club has triggered Diame's release clause.
   1706. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: January 31, 2013 at 03:26 PM (#4359415)
What is the "Moneyball" style strategy? A youth academy producing players to sell off and use the proceeds to buy expensive established players?
"Moneyball" in baseball, if it has any meaning at all, refers to the use of context-neutral(izing) statistics to evaluate and project ballplayers, and then using these evaluations to acquire these players at cheap prices. Since statistical analysis of football is a generation or two behind statistical evaluation of baseball - and about eighty thousand times harder - there's no "Moneyball" equivalent.

The other thing with "Moneyball" is that it definitively worked, and then enough of the rest of the league caught up and it became much less of an advantage. There is no "new market inefficiency" that has been clearly identified since. Usually, there aren't any clear advantages like that to be had. There don't appear to be any in football now, either.
   1707. Howling John Shade Posted: January 31, 2013 at 03:26 PM (#4359416)
Someone met Diame's buyout clause. Hopefully not Arsenal.

Edit: Cokes
   1708. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: January 31, 2013 at 03:26 PM (#4359418)
Mystery Premier League club has triggered Diame's release clause.


Is Diame a Boras client? Did Jon Heyman report this?
   1709. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: January 31, 2013 at 03:29 PM (#4359423)
Norwich City have gone in for Gary Hooper for a 5th time. He's their Damiao!
   1710. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: January 31, 2013 at 03:31 PM (#4359428)
There is no "new market inefficiency" that has been clearly identified since. Usually, there aren't any clear advantages like that to be had. There don't appear to be any in football now, either.


I think that to the extent there is a "Moneyball" to be had in soccer it is going to be in tactics rather than players. Whether its formational or stylistic I think that's where we'd see something off beat have a meaningful impact.

I think you could argue that Stoke City's approach is an example of a team getting maximum benefit out of doing something differently from other teams. Because the player movement rules are so different from MLB it's not a simple matter of finding the unknown players, but how the players you have are deployed I think can be very impactful.
   1711. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: January 31, 2013 at 03:35 PM (#4359432)
What is the deal with Norwich and Hooper? If Norwich City has £9-10M to spend, why are they focused only on one guy who it seems is quite unlikely to be transfered? Why not get any number of also really good players who could be had at that price?
   1712. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: January 31, 2013 at 03:38 PM (#4359434)
Leandro Transfer Rumors:Spurs = Manny Ramirez Trade Rumors:Red Sox

Jose, I believe you should have prefaced this with SPURS/RED SOX THINK FACTORY, what with you, me, and Matt Clement having that particular set of allegiances.
   1713. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: January 31, 2013 at 03:38 PM (#4359435)
Aston Villa want Simon Dawkins on loan--he's a Spurs player that's been at San Jose the last couple of years.
   1714. ursus arctos Posted: January 31, 2013 at 03:38 PM (#4359436)
Because Delia's been at the cooking sherry again?
   1715. DA Baracus Posted: January 31, 2013 at 03:40 PM (#4359439)
Brek Shea hits the big time: car interview.
   1716. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: January 31, 2013 at 03:41 PM (#4359441)
Brek Shea hits the big time: car interview.

Oboy. Last car interview I saw at Stoke was Maurice Edu...
   1717. Mattbert Posted: January 31, 2013 at 03:42 PM (#4359442)
Jose, I believe you should have prefaced this with SPURS/RED SOX THINK FACTORY, what with you, me, and Matt Clement having that particular set of allegiances.

Ahem.
   1718. Juilin Sandar to Conkling Speedwell (Arjun) Posted: January 31, 2013 at 03:44 PM (#4359447)
So Willian to Anzhi, then?
   1719. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: January 31, 2013 at 03:45 PM (#4359448)
The story I read is that Shakhtar were going to accept the bid, but it's not done yet because Willian has to accept the transfer and sign a contract.
   1720. ursus arctos Posted: January 31, 2013 at 03:48 PM (#4359449)
The Russian window doesn't close for another couple of weeks, so there's plenty of time for such details.
   1721. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: January 31, 2013 at 03:49 PM (#4359451)
The story I read is that Shakhtar were going to accept the bid, but it's not done yet because Willian has to accept the transfer and sign a contract.

Shakhtar would be nuts not to accept it, but Willian has said often he wants to play in England as he feels isolated in the Ukraine and I imagine that feeling wouldn't change in Russia.
   1722. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: January 31, 2013 at 03:50 PM (#4359452)
Jose, I believe you should have prefaced this with SPURS/RED SOX THINK FACTORY, what with you, me, and Matt Clement having that particular set of allegiances.

Ahem.


And the funny part is I'm not a Spurs fan. I like seeing them do well largely because of the number of people here that root for them but I don't have any particular allegiance to Spurs. I'd rather see them do well instead of the Manchester teams, Chelsea or Arsenal but given my choice of a Premiership team I'd root for Everton or Stoke.
   1723. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: January 31, 2013 at 03:50 PM (#4359454)
And now there's no bid for Diame. Good stuff, Sky.
   1724. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: January 31, 2013 at 03:51 PM (#4359456)
And now there's no bid for Diame. Good stuff, Sky.

Hey transfer deadline:

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   1725. ursus arctos Posted: January 31, 2013 at 03:53 PM (#4359457)
In addition to particularly loud monkey chants directed at Dani Alves last night, reports that that Madrid crowd also repeatedly called Messi "subnormal" (i.e., retarded).

Lovely people, those Merengues.
   1726. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: January 31, 2013 at 03:57 PM (#4359464)
OK guys. I'm heading home. See you at the deadline buzzer!
   1727. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: January 31, 2013 at 04:14 PM (#4359477)
If nothing else Shooty did some impressive artwork there. I can't even get a simple table from BBRef to format correctly and this guy's drawing pictures.
   1728. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: January 31, 2013 at 04:21 PM (#4359488)
It's just copy-paste ascii art. Sorry.
   1729. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: January 31, 2013 at 04:27 PM (#4359497)
Ahem.

Yeah, I knew I was forgetting someone (and apparently incorrectly including Jose).
   1730. Howling John Shade Posted: January 31, 2013 at 04:31 PM (#4359501)
In addition to particularly loud monkey chants directed at Dani Alves last night, reports that that Madrid crowd also repeatedly called Messi "subnormal" (i.e., retarded).

Lovely people, those Merengues.


And Pique getting hit with a cigarette lighter.

My two takeaways were that Xabi Alonso's game against Barcelona mainly consists of kicking people after the ball is gone and then lecturing them when they complain, and Raphael Varane is really really good.

   1731. Howling John Shade Posted: January 31, 2013 at 04:38 PM (#4359508)
Guardian:
Our man David Hytner has the lowdown on Spurs' striker search. "Tottenham Hotspur failed in a deadline day bid to sign their long-time target Leandro Damião, although they were given hope that a deal for the Brazil and Internacional striker could be struck in the summer."


Just shoot me now.
   1732. Mattbert Posted: January 31, 2013 at 05:02 PM (#4359541)
BOLTON THINK FACTORY
Belgian winger Steve De Ridder has completed a loan move to Bolton Wanderers from Southampton.
   1733. Mattbert Posted: January 31, 2013 at 05:04 PM (#4359542)
SPURS/MLS THINK FACTORY
Simon Dawkins (nominally of Spurs, but erstwhile loanee to San Jose) has joined Aston Villa on loan until the end of the season.
   1734. Grunthos Posted: January 31, 2013 at 05:15 PM (#4359548)
Spurs Think Factory, Players You Didn't Even Know Were Spurs Edition!

Aston Villa have loaned Simon Dawkins in from Tottenham until the end of the season. Yeah, I had to look him up, too. This is the attacking mid who was loaned out to San Jose and did OK there.

Villa, in a desperate relegation struggle with a nasty set of matches coming up in February, have made the the following moves in the January window, in total:
1) Flog Alan Hutton off to Spain.
2) Flog Stephen Warnock off to Leeds.
3) Buy a decent young d-mid from the French second tier, whose chance of improving the abominable Villa midfield right away is slim to none.
4) Loan in an attacking player who was decent in MLS playing for the league's best team. Keep in mind, Villa have talent up front, it's the spine that sucks.
5) ... wait, there is no five.

That's it. ~2 million pounds net, and a reduction in the wage bill. What an absolute disgrace.

Edit: Coke to Mattbert. But I had to compose the rant.
   1735. SuperGrover Posted: January 31, 2013 at 05:20 PM (#4359559)
Norwich fans celebrating a titilating transfer deadline day.

P.S.-Sky Sports reporters sure are fun to watch. I have no idea nor do I really care what is usually discussed on that channel.
   1736. DA Baracus Posted: January 31, 2013 at 05:23 PM (#4359566)
SHEFFIELD UNITED THINK FACTORY

Barry Robson on a free transfer. I know you were all anxious to see where he'd land.
   1737. ursus arctos Posted: January 31, 2013 at 05:28 PM (#4359571)
I'm genuinely sorry for Villa supporters.

They deserve much better than this.
   1738. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: January 31, 2013 at 05:33 PM (#4359575)
The Birmingham Derby is back on, I guess. That is a putrid window from Aston Villa. Like I've said before, I find it a bit surreal how bad they've become.
   1739. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: January 31, 2013 at 05:37 PM (#4359576)
To sum up Spurs:

All in all, not a bad window. Holtby looks like a steal, Pritchard re-signed, we trolled Sir Alex and Jenas finally has a new home while finding some good loan situations for some of the younger players (though it kills the Next Gen team!). I'm a little flabbergasted they didn't at least find a warm body to play CF in a pinch, even a Louis Saha type like last year. Hopefully AVB and the braintrust have a plan.
   1740. Swedish Chef Posted: January 31, 2013 at 05:39 PM (#4359580)
Stoke wants to join the relegation fight, they have let linchpin Rory Delap go to Barnsley. My view may be a bit skewed by what I remember of Stoke from the last few years, it's like 90% Delap throw-ins.
   1741. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: January 31, 2013 at 05:40 PM (#4359582)
Is the Nacho Monreal signing official?
   1742. Swedish Chef Posted: January 31, 2013 at 05:44 PM (#4359586)
3) Buy a decent young d-mid from the French second tier, whose chance of improving the abominable Villa midfield right away is slim to none.

I'm pretty sure he'll improve it as long as he has two legs.
   1743. Mattbert Posted: January 31, 2013 at 05:48 PM (#4359591)
All in all, not a bad window.

Agreed. My only real concern is the lack of quality cover in central midfield (and on the wings if Townsend is indeed gone to QPR on loan). The striker crisis is overblown. Dempsey and, I believe, Bale can fill in there for a week or two until Adebayor gets back. If they finally DL Defoe now that there's no reason to play games about the extent of his fitness issues, then Ade's the main man. Which he likes and, indeed, probably needs in order to thrive. Playing in his best role and having Holtby supporting him won't hurt either. I really think he'll step up.

On the other hand, if Dembele goes down again and/or Parker doesn't turn it around big time then Spurs are proper effed right in the pooper. I am more hacked off with letting the Sandro-shaped hole go unfilled than I am any striker deficit because there appeared to be a very reasonably-priced stopgap measure called Diame staring them right in the face.
   1744. Grunthos Posted: January 31, 2013 at 05:51 PM (#4359596)
I'm genuinely sorry for Villa supporters.

I'm a relative latecomer to backing Villa, and have an MLS team to root for... I can only imagine the agony for those who have followed the club their whole lives. They stuck with it through two decades of Deadly Doug, watching a great power within the game fade away, and now the guy who claimed he was going to put them back in the discussion for actual silverware has more-or-less deliberately relegated them instead. Maybe Lambert can arrange some kind of miracle and keep them up, but even if he does, this season has destroyed their dreams. At best, they now get to look forward to an Evertonian future, scrabbling for every point they can get in a generally futile attempt to participate in the occasional Europa league fixture. At worst, they will enter the Leeds/Wednesday wilderness and become irrelevant.
   1745. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: January 31, 2013 at 05:51 PM (#4359597)
I am more hacked off with letting the Sandro-shaped hole go unfilled than I am any striker deficit because there appeared to be a very reasonably-priced stopgap measure called Diame staring them right in the face.

But the Diame option is staring a lot of teams in the face and no one has gone for him. That seems odd. Mousa Sissoko is the one I think we'll regret.
   1746. Grunthos Posted: January 31, 2013 at 05:52 PM (#4359598)
I'm pretty sure he'll improve it as long as he has two legs.

Well, the photos I've seen so far have only been from the waist up, so even this is not guaranteed.
   1747. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: January 31, 2013 at 05:58 PM (#4359605)
Jenas to QPR on a permanent and Townsend on loan is now official. Excitement!
   1748. Mattbert Posted: January 31, 2013 at 05:59 PM (#4359606)
But the Diame option is staring a lot of teams in the face and no one has gone for him. That seems odd. Mousa Sissoko is the one I think we'll regret.

That's true. I figured somebody would snap him up at that price given that pretty much all the clubs chasing a top four finish could use a reasonably skillful ball-winner in the engine room. Maybe we've all overrated him and there's a reason nobody's pulled the trigger.

Sissoko would have been a good get on the cheap. Everyone says Capoue's been the far superior player for Toulouse this season, mind.
   1749. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: January 31, 2013 at 06:00 PM (#4359608)
Maybe we've all overrated him and there's a reason nobody's pulled the trigger.

Infamous agent fees and wage demands again? Who knows what the real cost would have been.
   1750. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: January 31, 2013 at 06:02 PM (#4359612)
Nacho is official to Arsenal. And that's the window. Peter Odemwingie is on for a tough few months back at WBA. Oof!
   1751. Mattbert Posted: January 31, 2013 at 06:07 PM (#4359614)
To make up a 25-man squad for Tottenham, you have to include Sandro, Kaboul, Bentley, Carroll, and Obika.

That's awfully hard to defend if you're Daniel Levy, I'm sorry to say.
   1752. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: January 31, 2013 at 06:22 PM (#4359623)
Well, Everton gave up on King Iron, or Leroy Fer as he is known in France, but they added another player who sounds like he belongs in a medieval allegory, in Barnsley's John Stones.
   1753. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: January 31, 2013 at 06:27 PM (#4359624)
They play the same position, other than that they are polar opposites. Am mostly familiar with him from his Helsinki days, but he is a much better passer than Spearing. Main concern is if he can deal with the physicality of the EPL. His defensive game tends to rely more on vision and intelligence, and picking out opponents passes, than being a PITA like Spearing. Though he is pretty good at winning headers too.


:-O
   1754. zack Posted: January 31, 2013 at 06:34 PM (#4359627)
Stoke wants to join the relegation fight, they have let linchpin Rory Delap go to Barnsley. My view may be a bit skewed by what I remember of Stoke from the last few years, it's like 90% Delap throw-ins.


I thought he hadn't played this year, but he got 10 minutes at the end of the first game of the season.
   1755. Jeffo has an El Camino full of Rampage Posted: January 31, 2013 at 06:52 PM (#4359634)
For Everton, I think just keeping everyone they had, sadly, counts as a success for this window. Kind of a shame being right in striking distance of 4th place and still in the FA Cup that they couldn't do anything else to at least improve their depth if nothing else. Hope everyone stays healthy down the stretch.

At least they play Villa at home this Saturday (apologies to Villa fans), a win is key there as they still have games away to United/Spurs/Arsenal/Liverpool/Chelsea upcoming the rest of the way (they do get City at home).

EVERTON THINK FACTORY END TRANSMISSION
   1756. Howling John Shade Posted: January 31, 2013 at 06:58 PM (#4359635)
On the other hand, if Dembele goes down again and/or Parker doesn't turn it around big time then Spurs are proper effed right in the pooper. I am more hacked off with letting the Sandro-shaped hole go unfilled than I am any striker deficit because there appeared to be a very reasonably-priced stopgap measure called Diame staring them right in the face.


Do you think they're counting on Vertonghen as the backup? He's played there before for Ajax right? He seems like he'd be able to do a credible job in the position. Of course, I'm not sure it's a sign of good squad construction to have your starting center back as primary cover for two other positions.
   1757. Mattbert Posted: January 31, 2013 at 07:04 PM (#4359637)
Do you think they're counting on Vertonghen as the backup? He's played there before for Ajax right? He seems like he'd be able to do a credible job in the position. Of course, I'm not sure it's a sign of good squad construction to have your starting center back as primary cover for two other positions.

I really hope not. His mobility is an asset in central defense but, I would imagine, a liability in central midfield given the pace and stamina threshold for that position in England compared to the Netherlands. I'm sure he could fake it there in a pinch, just like he did at fullback, but his appearances at fullback said to me that he doesn't quite have the engine for that kind of running.
   1758. Howling John Shade Posted: January 31, 2013 at 08:38 PM (#4359707)
I really hope not. His mobility is an asset in central defense but, I would imagine, a liability in central midfield given the pace and stamina threshold for that position in England compared to the Netherlands. I'm sure he could fake it there in a pinch, just like he did at fullback, but his appearances at fullback said to me that he doesn't quite have the engine for that kind of running.


Interesting, I thought he looked quite good at left back. Maybe that was just in comparison to Naughton.
   1759. Mattbert Posted: January 31, 2013 at 09:43 PM (#4359748)
Oh yeah, Vertonghen was fine at left back. Better than fine. He's just a bit more in the Corluka mold than the Walker mold, and I think the increasing importance of attacking fullbacks in the modern game--and AVB's preferred style of play is no exception to that trend--demands quite ridiculous levels of pace and stamina from that position. I reckon for quite a lot of clubs out there, the fullbacks are the fittest players in the squad. For a big, strong guy who's primarily a central defender, Vertonghen showed an impressive ability to get up and down the flank but was definitely in "runs well for a catcher" territory, especially as games wore on.

I figure he'd probably have a similar experience deputizing as a holding midfielder. He'd be fine technically, and he certainly wouldn't embarrass himself with his passing. I'd wonder about his positioning (he's played a lot more fullback than midfield) and his tendency to fatigue after an hour or so of trying to cover a lot of ground, though.
   1760. Richard Posted: January 31, 2013 at 10:45 PM (#4359774)
SHEFFIELD UNITED THINK FACTORY

Barry Robson on a free transfer. I know you were all anxious to see where he'd land.


And they also land Johnathan Forte on loan 7 years after letting him go because he's no good!

Both moves are cancelled out by the cowardly sale on Nick Blackman to Reading. Scumbags. The natives are restless.

SHEFFIELD UNITED THINK FACTORY END TRANSMISSION


   1761. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: February 01, 2013 at 07:51 AM (#4359841)
SPURS THINK FACTORY

It turns out Reading offered 10 million for Gylfi Sigurdsson. I'm glad Spurs didn't bite at that as I think he has a bright future. Also, the Alex Pritchard loan has turned out to be a weird one. Peterborough wanted him to replace George Boyd whom they they they'd sold to Nottingham, but Nottingham canceled the transfer because Boyd didn't pass his vision test (!!!!) so now Pritchard is blocked by Boyd and I'm not sure how much time he will see on the pitch. The canceled transfer also led to rumors that Alex McLeish quit as manager from Forest though it turns out that's not true. Can Boyd not wear contact lenses or something? I don't get that one.
   1762. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: February 01, 2013 at 08:03 AM (#4359845)
ANDERLECHT THINK FACTORY

I see Andy Najar has moved to Anderlecht. He's a nifty player and it's too bad MLS are losing him.
   1763. Mattbert Posted: February 01, 2013 at 09:38 AM (#4359885)
SPURS THINK FACTORY
Harry Kane has been recalled from his season-long loan to Norwich. Striker crisis averted!
   1764. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: February 01, 2013 at 10:00 AM (#4359901)
Harry Kane has been recalled from his season-long loan to Norwich. Striker crisis averted!

You mock, but I think he's perfectly fine as an emergency striker. Shaq Coulthirst could be an emergency sub, too, along with Obika. Spurs actually have a good set of young strikers in the reserves/academy, even with Coulibaly off on loan.
   1765. Mattbert Posted: February 01, 2013 at 11:00 AM (#4359942)
I've never been convinced by Kane. He's got the height to play up front, but he's not that great in the air (no hops) nor is he particularly quick. He's also kinda lightweight, although there's room for him to add strength on that frame. His strengths are a decent eye for a pass and pulling center backs forward. That's about it, as far as I can tell. Despite being tallish I think his best position is as more of a support striker. I suppose it's fine that he's back--he probably wasn't going to get many reps with Holt still there and Becchio coming in--but I'd have him about fifth on the lone striker depth chart when Adebayor gets back (Adebayor, Defoe, Bale, Dempsey, Kane).

If there's a footballing equivalent to a AAAA player, Obika is one. He's put up pretty big numbers in the various youth competitions the last couple years, but I see that as a function of his size and strength allowing him to bully young defenders at that level. Once he's up against real pros who can handle him physically, he doesn't have much to offer.

Super Shaq has some potential. I'd like to see him in the cups next season if he continues to perform well with the development squad.

Coulibaly has reportedly found it difficult to settle in London and may have his eye on a permanent move back to Italy after his loan is up. Hopefully he finds his comfort zone and decides to give it another go in England. He's still very raw, but I think there have been glimpses of the sort of talent that could lead to a Jermain Defoe type career.
   1766. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: February 01, 2013 at 11:01 AM (#4359943)
New thread coming soon
   1767. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: February 01, 2013 at 11:13 AM (#4359948)
Super Shaq has some potential. I'd like to see him in the cups next season if he continues to perform well with the development squad.

He's the best of the lot, fo' sho', plus his name is Shaq Coulthirst which is freaking fantastic. Whatever happened to Cameron Lancaster? He had one nice appearance for the first team last year and he's disappeared. Injured?
   1768. puck Posted: February 01, 2013 at 11:42 AM (#4359985)
SPURS THINK FACTORY

I hadn't been here in a while, saw this page, then went back and read the last few, and yeah...SPURS THINK FACTORY is about right. How did that happen?
   1769. puck Posted: February 01, 2013 at 11:49 AM (#4359991)
Grant Wahl on Jozy's new fame:

So did the referee, Reinold Wiedemeijer, who walked over to Altidore.

"Look, this isn't right, we should stop. What do you think about that?" Altidore says Wiedemeijer told him.

"I don't think we should do that," Altidore replied. "We should just continue."

Later, as the chants continued, the referee returned to Altidore. "No, Jozy, we need to take a stand on this. It isn't right," Altidore remembers him saying.

At that point, Altidore said he paused to think. "You know what, it's only going to make them stronger if we back down," he responded. "I just want to get on with it and play and win the game."


He has a point. I'm not sure what the right thing to do is, but if the game stopped every time racist chanting happened, it would give the ######## a lot of power. Do the clubs do anything about it when given penalties such as the team having to play a later game in an empty stadium? You'd think that money would motivate the clubs. But cracking down on supporters can also lose money.
   1770. Mattbert Posted: February 01, 2013 at 12:19 PM (#4360021)
I hadn't been here in a while, saw this page, then went back and read the last few, and yeah...SPURS THINK FACTORY is about right. How did that happen?

Spurs are always a hot commodity in the media on deadline day, and many of the most prolific soccer posters on this site are Tottenham supporters for whatever reason. So it goes.

As always, I encourage fans of other clubs to post more about them. I would love to know more about academies especially, but I always enjoy the "insider" stuff from our posters who follow Liverpool, Everton, Villa, Bolton(?), Chelsea, Fulham, et al. As well as those who have a much deeper knowledge than I regarding the continental leagues and MLS. I would have added West Ham to that list, by the way, but I suspect RB is secretly ashamed of his decision to hitch his wagon to such an embarrassing institution so he's been reduced to mainly just sniping at others from the sidelines in order to deflect attention from his own shortcomings.

I would love to spend lots of time rooting out random minutiae about other clubs, but as it is I barely have time to do that for Spurs and follow Hamburg in half-assed fashion.
   1771. Mattbert Posted: February 01, 2013 at 12:35 PM (#4360038)
Squawka got a little snarky with this Peter Odemwingie heat map.
   1772. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: February 01, 2013 at 12:46 PM (#4360046)
Squawka got a little snarky with this Peter Odemwingie heat map.

He will not be in the squad Sunday against Spurs.

He has a point. I'm not sure what the right thing to do is, but if the game stopped every time racist chanting happened, it would give the ######## a lot of power. Do the clubs do anything about it when given penalties such as the team having to play a later game in an empty stadium? You'd think that money would motivate the clubs. But cracking down on supporters can also lose money.

There really isn't an easy solution. Hopefully Jozy's prayers do some good, I guess, 'cause that's all I got. What I was surprised to see is that the monkey noises started before the game even started. I assumed they'd started as AZ started kicking ass. The Den Bosch chairman was very upset and embarrassed but I'm not sure what he can do--the club is barely holding on financially as it is.
   1773. Mattbert Posted: February 01, 2013 at 01:59 PM (#4360132)
25 Steps to Becoming a Football Hipster

I think several posters here are between one-quarter and one-third of the way there.
   1774. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: February 01, 2013 at 02:08 PM (#4360145)
I think several posters here are between one-quarter and one-third of the way there.

I am very disappointed by how little on that list I've achieved. I've got the obscure jersey down, though!
   1775. DA Baracus Posted: February 01, 2013 at 02:08 PM (#4360147)
That's pretty good. A few misses, but nobody's perfect.
   1776. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: February 01, 2013 at 02:24 PM (#4360168)
Fun stuff. Apparently I'm only about 20% a football hipster, and clearly I should lose points for not understanding several of those checklist items.

-wouldn't have guessed Football Weekly for hipsterism. Feels too professional for that.
-James Richardson really is great, though. 99% of podcasts would be improved with his hosting.
-if loving everything Zlatan is wrong, I don't want to be right.
   1777. ursus arctos Posted: February 01, 2013 at 02:33 PM (#4360178)
There are a couple that you won't get if you aren't familiar with Irish football punditry.

Agreed on Football Weekly. The true hipster move is to say that FW is nothing compared to Richardson's video reviews of European papers.
   1778. Juilin Sandar to Conkling Speedwell (Arjun) Posted: February 01, 2013 at 02:41 PM (#4360192)
What I'm getting from that list is that apparently I need a twitter.
   1779. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: February 01, 2013 at 02:48 PM (#4360199)
Speaking of hipsterism, is this Kinsale's thing still happening tomorrow? I need an excuse to break out the 1975 Torino shirt.
   1780. ursus arctos Posted: February 01, 2013 at 02:54 PM (#4360210)
   1781. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: February 01, 2013 at 02:55 PM (#4360211)
26. Watching Belgian football streams.


:)
   1782. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: February 01, 2013 at 02:57 PM (#4360214)
Take it to the New Thread, people
   1783. Mattbert Posted: February 01, 2013 at 02:58 PM (#4360217)
LATE WARNING: Do not click the link to mantoman.com in item #3 on the football hipster list. I don't know if that was actually Michael Cox's website before Zonal Marking, but if it was then it's something very different now. Or Michael Cox had very different professional interests.
   1784. ursus arctos Posted: February 01, 2013 at 03:07 PM (#4360229)
Erm yeah. I guess there are other aspects of Irish culture you needed to know about.
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