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Tuesday, July 03, 2012

OT: The Soccer Thread: July

So I’m a little late, but come celebrate the Fourth of July with that most American of sports, Soccer!

NB: Soccer is not actually the most American of sports.

RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: July 03, 2012 at 09:09 AM | 756 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   301. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: July 12, 2012 at 09:03 PM (#4181404)
That's fair enough, DA. I'm comfortable with my similar position of not really having rooting for a particular MLS club, but rather rooting for the league as a whole (single entity fandom taken to the extreme, I guess) -- MLS teams in the CCL, general improvement of play, interesting/unique DP signings, etc. I haven't found it (the lack of a specific rooting interest) detracting from my enjoyment as a whole, and that's really all that matters.

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I feel the need to defend Jordan Henderson a bit. Part of the problem last year was Dalglish, at times, playing him out wide. He doesn't have the technical skills to beat guys 1v1, nor the pace to blow by guys and get to the touchline. Generally, though, he's got a quick first touch, above average work rate and can rattle off a nifty shot from distance every now and then. I can easily see him fitting into Rodgers' general plan of pressing and pass-and-move as a water carrier positioned ahead of Lucas but behind the #10/trequartista (*). Admittedly if all of Gerrard, Aquilani and Lucas are with the team, I don't see a place for Henderson in the first team, but given inevitable injuries and the amount of games (Europa League, damn you! //shakes fist) scheduled, he should have no issues getting a good amount of playing time this year.

(*)Although if Liverpool are playing 4-3-3, there probably isn't a true number 10.
   302. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: July 13, 2012 at 08:00 AM (#4181591)
Transfer news!

Borini is re-joining Rodgers at Liverpool. If this Dempsey plus cash for Carroll deal is real, Liverpool will have a pretty fantastic front line next season. And it seems Fulham might not be a bad place for Andy Carroll to just play soccer. Of course, that Dempsey and cash rumor is probably a load of crap.

In Spurs land, Adebayor is back on a permanent signing, Lloris is nearly a done deal and Stevie Pienaar is heading back to Everton.

Newcastle are the favorites, still, for Debuchy, which would be a great signing.
   303. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: July 13, 2012 at 09:17 AM (#4181615)
Welcome to division 3 Rangers! Maybe one day you'll be a massive club like Partick Thistle.

Something tells me this isn't the end of this saga, but the new season starts soon so they'll need to figure out something quick. Hopefully Edu, Boca and Bedoya make quick escapes. Maybe they should sign for the Cosmos!
   304. J. Sosa Posted: July 13, 2012 at 09:18 AM (#4181616)
Wanted to chime in with what cws was saying. I have a higher opininion of Henderson than most. He was criminally deployed last year. He could do very well for BR. The things Henderson does well (work rate, ball retention) fit nicely. Where I would disagree is AA. I think cws have had this coversation before, we just have a difference of opinion. AA doesn't press and he might get in the dog house. I"ll admit to being excited. I think a healthy Lucas and henderson fit very well in Swanseas ball control scheme. Im also keeping my fingers crossed on Duece. I'm guessing he'd play on the left in a front three with Borini and Suarez with Gerrard behind. I think that would do nicely although Gerrard isnt going to fit. I like Borini and Dempsey tends to be vastly underated. Take a stroll down RAWK sometime for giggles. I highly recommend it but only in small doses.

Sorry if post incoherent on mobile.
   305. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: July 13, 2012 at 09:23 AM (#4181618)
Take a stroll down RAWK sometime for giggles.

The RAWKers? RAWKites? don't seem to rate Dempsey very highly. I also think Henderson could become a nifty player and will end up easily being the best of the Carroll, Adam, Downing and Henderson lot. If LFC goes to a 4-3-3 with Borini, Suarez and Dempsey up top, is that the end of Downing? I hope not as I want Spurs to keep getting results against Liverpool...
   306. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: July 13, 2012 at 09:25 AM (#4181621)
John Terry is NOT GUILTY.

   307. J. Sosa Posted: July 13, 2012 at 09:31 AM (#4181626)
Yeah Shooty reading Rawkites moan anout what a ---- player Dempsey is when he runs circles around the production of LFCs entire midfield is always chuckle worthy.
   308. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: July 13, 2012 at 09:35 AM (#4181632)
Yeah Shooty reading Rawkites moan anout what a ---- player Dempsey is when he runs circles around the production of LFCs entire midfield is always chuckle worthy.

TBH, I only read RAWK for the first time to trawl for Sigurdsson news and that thread was something else so I checked out a few others. Definitely guilty pleasure reading! Then I discovered a Man U blog that has a thread dedicated to making fun of RAWK and my head nearly exploded. I don't think I'm strong enough for all the temptations the internet has to offer...
   309. DA Baracus is gritty and hits with RISP Posted: July 13, 2012 at 09:41 AM (#4181641)
John Terry is NOT GUILTY.


Which is the right outcome, Ferdinand's case just wasn't strong enough. It was his word against Terry's with no hard evidence.
   310. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: July 13, 2012 at 09:45 AM (#4181644)
Which is the right outcome, Ferdinand's case just wasn't strong enough. It was his word against Terry's with no hard evidence.

Agreed. My impression is it should never have gone to court, but that's, admittedly, from a very American POV. With this verdict, does the FA still take disciplinary action, or is this now over? Suarez didn't have a not guilty verdict to buttress his case with like Terry has now.
   311. DA Baracus is gritty and hits with RISP Posted: July 13, 2012 at 09:54 AM (#4181653)
It should be over, the FA would look pretty dumb disciplining a guy for something a court couldn't prove happened. But looking dumb doesn't always stop people from doing things.
   312. Spivey Posted: July 13, 2012 at 09:58 AM (#4181659)
I'd be interested to know how Carroll's wages would be paid, but I think falling on his face at Liverpool created some work ethic for Carroll and I'd be happy for him to be on board with Fulham. Losing Dempsey would hurt a bit but he wants to play for a bigger team, he's earned it, and he'll never have a year better than last. I'd want them to hang onto Dembele though if they got rid of Dempsey.
   313. DA Baracus is gritty and hits with RISP Posted: July 13, 2012 at 09:59 AM (#4181663)
Liverpool's certainly a bigger stage and more money, but Dempsey's made it clear he wants Champions League and Liverpool ain't it.
   314. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: July 13, 2012 at 10:09 AM (#4181671)
   315. Spivey Posted: July 13, 2012 at 10:18 AM (#4181686)
Liverpool's certainly a bigger stage and more money, but Dempsey's made it clear he wants Champions League and Liverpool ain't it.

Yeah, well he's been saying that for the last few years and he's still at Fulham. Liverpool gives him a much better chance to be a part of a team that does make the Champion's League.
   316. DA Baracus is gritty and hits with RISP Posted: July 13, 2012 at 10:20 AM (#4181688)
Yeah, well he's been saying that for the last few years and he's still at Fulham. Liverpool gives him a much better chance to be a part of a team that does make the Champion's League.


Better chance, yeah. But they won't be there this year and they'll be fighting for a spot for next year. This was the best he could do?
   317. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: July 13, 2012 at 10:26 AM (#4181698)
This was the best he could do?

He's not there yet! And who else is in for him?
   318. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: July 13, 2012 at 10:33 AM (#4181707)
This is the story about Rangers

The next step is if the SPL follows through on their threat to create an SPL-2 to create a softer landing for Rangers. My big question about that is who the hell would they find to play in a second SPL division since the clubs that would, supposedly, be used to stock this division just told the SPL to #### off, basically. Is it me, or have there been a lot of big stories this summer?
   319. JuanGone..except1game Posted: July 13, 2012 at 10:34 AM (#4181709)
FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDDDDDDDDDDDDDOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!
- Best Mel Gibson voice
   320. Swedish Chef Posted: July 13, 2012 at 10:46 AM (#4181725)
My big question about that is who the hell would they find to play in a second SPL division since the clubs that would, supposedly, be used to stock this division just told the SPL to #### off, basically. Is it me, or have there been a lot of big stories this summer?

If that is a required stepping stone to SPL I don't think any team in the first division would dare to stand up for their principles. The logical solution is of course to let all the SPL teams that aren't worthy of the premier division play in SPL-2, which means putting all but Celtic there. Celtic could keep fresh by playing New York Cosmos between European fixtures, it's not like crowning them champions by default is much less of a travesty than the normal order in Scottish football.
   321. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: July 13, 2012 at 11:08 AM (#4181736)
   322. DA Baracus is gritty and hits with RISP Posted: July 13, 2012 at 12:13 PM (#4181803)
Average attendances of 3rd division teams.

Only four of those teams have a capacity of greater than 5,000.
   323. Mattbert Posted: July 13, 2012 at 01:20 PM (#4181857)
Average attendances of 3rd division teams.

Stenhousemuir is the only club I've even heard of on there. Besides Rangers, of course.
   324. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: July 13, 2012 at 01:34 PM (#4181860)
Liverpool have shipped Maxi Rodriguez back to Argentina. I actually thought he did good work for them last year, but that could just be a case of me catching him at his best. I'm surprised another PL team wasn't in for him unless he just really wanted to go home.

edit: evidently Maxi had family reasons for wanting to go back and LFC let him go.
   325. Crispix Attacks 2: Swag Airlines Posted: July 13, 2012 at 02:05 PM (#4181875)
Queen's Park is a traditionally amateurs-only team whose home ground is the Scottish national stadium Hampden Park. Of course the Scottish Third Division is largely amateurs anyway.

I think Clyde is a team that's been located in three or four different cities in the past two decades and has little or no reason to exist.

Peterhead is way way way way off on the extreme eastern coast. Berwick is actually in England.

East Stirlingshire had a famous season a few years ago when they had something like 6 points in 36 games.

Stenhousemuir have a fantastic mascot.

I have no idea what Annan, Montrose, Stranraer or Elgin are.
   326. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: July 13, 2012 at 02:19 PM (#4181881)
Elgin is a team I managed one time in Football Manager 2010. That's the only reason I've heard of them!
   327. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: July 13, 2012 at 03:39 PM (#4181918)
You're not wrong, Shooty, Maxi was a neat little player. I'm sad to see him go, as I think he'd have fit Rodgers' system really well. At the same time, he was likely on relatively large wages, particularly given that he was probably going to be a squad player (albeit a useful one), so for that reason alone the move makes sense (saying nothing of the cited "family reasons").
   328. vortex of dissipation Posted: July 13, 2012 at 04:07 PM (#4181930)
Average attendances of 3rd division teams.

Only four of those teams have a capacity of greater than 5,000.


The highest attendance for any Third Division match last season was 2,551, who showed up for a Alloa Athletic v Annan Athletic game.

   329. vortex of dissipation Posted: July 13, 2012 at 04:13 PM (#4181933)
I have no idea what Annan, Montrose, Stranraer or Elgin are.


Stranraer is the former site of an RAF flying boat base, and the Supermarine Stranraer, a biplane flying boat that fought in the early stages of WW2, was named after the town. Aside from that, I know nothing...
   330. DA Baracus is gritty and hits with RISP Posted: July 13, 2012 at 04:16 PM (#4181936)
The highest attendance for any Third Division match last season was 2,551, who showed up for a Alloa Athletic v Annan Athletic game.


I imagine the 3rd division teams must be loving this. They are about to get a lot more ticket sales this year.
   331. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: July 13, 2012 at 04:30 PM (#4181943)
The highest attendance for any Third Division match last season was 2,551, who showed up for a Alloa Athletic v Annan Athletic game
It's like Red Sox-Yankee and Ohio State-Michigan had a child, and that child was the Alloa/Annan rivalry!
   332. Obi One Kenobi Nil Posted: July 13, 2012 at 07:08 PM (#4182021)
Agreed. My impression is it should never have gone to court, but that's, admittedly, from a very American POV. With this verdict, does the FA still take disciplinary action, or is this now over? Suarez didn't have a not guilty verdict to buttress his case with like Terry has now.


They should do and he should also be charged and suspended because the evidence against Terry is stronger than it was against Suarez and they both have admitted to using racially aggravating language. Terry just got away with it because there was never going to be enough evidence to prove he intended to offend beyond a reasonable doubt. The judgement said as much, the paraphrased summing up was along the lines of "Ferdinand is very unlikely to have accused Terry of Calling him a 'black ####' and although Terry's story is flimsy and unlikely it is still plausible enough given the paucity of other evidence that he is found not-guilty".

All the FA need to do is present enough evidence to a three person tribunal that Terry made reference to the color of Ferdinand's skin while on the football pitch (which he did) and they could even add a 'bringing the game into disrepute' on the basis it wasn't a good idea to shout 'I never called you a black ####' at the top of your lungs across a football pitch.

The trial notes also brought up a very amusing anecdote. Terry was being cross examined and was asked how many times he had been sent off in his career. Terry then mumbled a response and the judge asked his QC to ask him "Can you say, please, four times?”. Terry's response was to say "Please, please, please, please". Which caused much mirth in the courtroom and a confused John Terry to wonder what everyone thought was so funny.
   333. FancyPantsHandle glistening with foreign substance Posted: July 13, 2012 at 08:37 PM (#4182086)
Friggin southerners. Montrose is on the east coast, about half way between Dundee and Aberdeen. Elgin is way up north, about 100 miles east of Inverness. Annan is on the border to England, near Carlisle.

Ok, so I had to look Annan up, but I actually knew the other 10.
   334. DA Baracus is gritty and hits with RISP Posted: July 13, 2012 at 10:13 PM (#4182199)
the evidence against Terry is stronger than it was against Suarez and they both have admitted to using racially aggravating language.


I disagree. Terry's was a heat of the moment thing. That doesn't excuse him from saying it, but context matters. Suarez's was a deliberate usage to provoke a response and was tied to a physical action. His was worse and stronger.

Though I do agree with you, and this is a changing of my opinion from before, that because he used a racial slur, he should be disciplined since the FA is trying to weed it out in any context.
   335. Obi One Kenobi Nil Posted: July 14, 2012 at 02:46 AM (#4182299)
I disagree. Terry's was a heat of the moment thing. That doesn't excuse him from saying it, but context matters. Suarez's was a deliberate usage to provoke a response and was tied to a physical action. His was worse and stronger.


Unfortunately the Premier League code of conduct makes no mention of context. It just says "Don't do it. Ever. For any reason". It's pretty black and white about it.
   336. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: July 14, 2012 at 07:33 AM (#4182316)
It's pretty black and white about it.
Is that some kind of slur?
   337. DA Baracus is gritty and hits with RISP Posted: July 14, 2012 at 09:23 AM (#4182337)
Unfortunately the Premier League code of conduct makes no mention of context. It just says "Don't do it. Ever. For any reason". It's pretty black and white about it.


Which is why he won't get as many games as Suarez.
   338. Obi One Kenobi Nil Posted: July 14, 2012 at 09:41 AM (#4182344)
Terry should get the same punishment but he won't because the press/public opinion will either not or be unwilling to understand the difference between "beyond a reasonable doubt" and "balance of probabilities".
   339. Obi One Kenobi Nil Posted: July 14, 2012 at 09:42 AM (#4182346)
Is that some kind of slur?


I admit that the choice of words was intentional :p
   340. Mefisto Posted: July 15, 2012 at 12:08 AM (#4182803)
Wild first half in the LA/Portland game.
   341. puck Posted: July 15, 2012 at 01:12 AM (#4182828)
Wild first half in the LA/Portland game.

Hot and heavy DP action!
   342. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: July 15, 2012 at 09:43 AM (#4182901)
Seems like many of the Scottish clubs are now claiming they're going to go belly-up if they don't have Rangers in the SPL. What a debacle this is.
   343. Swedish Chef Posted: July 15, 2012 at 10:28 AM (#4182914)
Seems like many of the Scottish clubs are now claiming they're going to go belly-up if they don't have Rangers in the SPL.

Well, then everybody can start again in the third division! They can just flip the pyramid upside down!

What a debacle this is.

The debacle is Scottish football making a living on being a sandbox for religio-ethnic baiting and little else for the past hundred years.
   344. vortex of dissipation Posted: July 16, 2012 at 03:11 AM (#4183560)
The debacle is Scottish football making a living on being a sandbox for religio-ethnic baiting and little else for the past hundred years.


Yep.
   345. Richard Posted: July 16, 2012 at 03:46 AM (#4183561)
The SPL clubs knew that their supporters would not countenance a re-constituted Rangers in the SPL, but the SPL administration then proceeded to try to co-erce the SFL clubs to put the new club into the first division, or their would be a plague of locusts o'er the land, or something, i.e do our dirty work for us. Admirably, the SFL clubs were not to be bullied.

There is no incentive for the SFL clubs to do the bidding of the SPL. They get very little of the TV pie, and the clubs will make more money from hosting zombie Rangers twice a year and drawing them in the lower rounds of cups.

Presuambly the SPL will now try to bribe the 1st division clubs into this new SPL2. SPL management should be ashamed of themselves.
   346. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: July 16, 2012 at 07:49 AM (#4183588)
The debacle is Scottish football making a living on being a sandbox for religio-ethnic baiting and little else for the past hundred years.

There's always Partick Thistle! I actually know very little about Partick, but if the gf ever convinces me to move to Glasgow, that'll be my club. I'm assuming the lack of interest in them allows them to escape the general twattishness of Rangers and Celtic?

Presuambly the SPL will now try to bribe the 1st division clubs into this new SPL2.

I just don't see how this would work. The first division clubs will still have to deal with the massive anger of their support that forced them to vote against allowing Rangers in the first division, plus there's the logistics of creating a new league in a month which seems impossible. Doncaster and Regan seem nuts to me, as an outsider looking in. Not to mention that, looking at it long term, why would the SPL want to divide the pie up another 10 ways in perpetuity just to save themselves 3 years of hardship now? That just seems idiotic. Maybe they should take this opportunity to try to build interest in non-Old Firm clubs so that when Rangers do come back, it's to a healthier league than one in which only 4 games a year matter.
   347. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: July 16, 2012 at 08:34 AM (#4183607)
BBC is reporting that Dundee is taking Rangers' spot in the SPL.
   348. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: July 16, 2012 at 09:05 AM (#4183625)
   349. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: July 16, 2012 at 09:18 AM (#4183635)
Not to mention that, looking at it long term, why would the SPL want to divide the pie up another 10 ways in perpetuity just to save themselves 3 years of hardship now? That just seems idiotic. Maybe they should take this opportunity to try to build interest in non-Old Firm clubs so that when Rangers do come back, it's to a healthier league than one in which only 4 games a year matter.
Well, why would you want to look at a situation long-term when you can panic about RIGHT NOW?

Apparently West Ham are hoping the fact that Carroll, Nolan and Big Sam share an agent will help them land Andy. Whether that's code for an under-the-table bribe or not, I couldn't say.
   350. Flynn Posted: July 16, 2012 at 09:18 AM (#4183636)
Maybe they should take this opportunity to try to build interest in non-Old Firm clubs so that when Rangers do come back, it's to a healthier league than one in which only 4 games a year matter.


I think everybody outside the Rangers, the SFA and SPL chief executive wants that to happen. You just have terminal short-termists in charge. Doncaster doesn't care about the SPL, he cares about where his next job is coming from.
   351. Mattbert Posted: July 16, 2012 at 10:13 AM (#4183679)
Your daily Benoit Assou-Ekkoto update LOL

This is his avatar on the twitter as of today. Disco Benny does, in fact, advertise.
   352. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: July 16, 2012 at 10:55 AM (#4183714)
Sepp Blatter has some balls.

Taking on Der Kaiser? Du hast einen Vogel! I suppose when you're being backed in the corner, just lashing out like a crazy man could work.
   353. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: July 16, 2012 at 11:06 AM (#4183723)
Brad Guzan has returned to Aston Villa.
   354. Textbook Editor Posted: July 16, 2012 at 11:23 AM (#4183739)
Your daily Benoit Assou-Ekkoto update LOL


Were I to get a Spurs jersey, I almost certainly would get an Assou-Ekkoto one.
   355. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: July 16, 2012 at 11:33 AM (#4183755)
I want to reiterate my excitement for Michael Bradley's now-confirmed move to Roma by posting a photo of the way Zeman apparently lined up Pescara at kick-off for most/all games this season.
   356. puck Posted: July 16, 2012 at 11:36 AM (#4183763)
"Zombie Rangers" could move a lot of merch.
   357. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: July 16, 2012 at 11:57 AM (#4183783)
The beginning of the ending of White Hart Lane

And so it goes, the inexorable march of time...

I want to reiterate my excitement for Michael Bradley's now-confirmed move to Roma by posting a photo of the way Zeman apparently lined up Pescara at kick-off for most/all games this season.

I'm very much looking forward to Serie A this season. Still have to wait on Al Jazeera getting their #### together, though. GRRRRR.
   358. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: July 16, 2012 at 11:59 AM (#4183788)
I love the picture of the new WHL that has NAMING RIGHTS on the roof. Why don't just put YOUR AD HERE
   359. Swedish Chef Posted: July 16, 2012 at 12:06 PM (#4183798)
I hope they forget to replace that in the paperwork and Naming Rights Stadium accidentally becomes the official name.
   360. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: July 16, 2012 at 12:10 PM (#4183802)
I hope they forget to replace that in the paperwork and Naming Rights Stadium accidentally becomes the official name.


There is an Italian restaurant in Palo Alto called "Pasta ?" When they filed the paperwork they did not have a name so just filled it out with "Pasta ?" as the name and a plan to change it, they never did.
   361. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: July 16, 2012 at 12:10 PM (#4183803)
I love the picture of the new WHL that has NAMING RIGHTS on the roof. Why don't just put YOUR AD HERE

At least they aren't encouraging false hope!

I hope they forget to replace that in the paperwork and Naming Rights Stadium accidentally becomes the official name.

I think we can all root for that.
   362. Obi One Kenobi Nil Posted: July 16, 2012 at 01:17 PM (#4183912)
I love the picture of the new WHL that has NAMING RIGHTS on the roof. Why don't just put YOUR AD HERE


Naming Rights Park would be infinitely better than "SportsDirect@St.James' Park"
   363. Mefisto Posted: July 16, 2012 at 03:12 PM (#4184079)
I'm surprised to see Guzan stay at Villa. I would think he could be a No. 1 somewhere, and he's better off doing that. Maybe the change in regime will mean it's there.
   364. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: July 16, 2012 at 03:16 PM (#4184087)
I'm surprised to see Guzan stay at Villa. I would think he could be a No. 1 somewhere, and he's better off doing that. Maybe the change in regime will mean it's there.

Maybe they told him one more year behind Given and then he's the man?
   365. DA Baracus is gritty and hits with RISP Posted: July 16, 2012 at 04:11 PM (#4184150)
Maybe they told him one more year behind Given and then he's the man?


He's still dumb to take that if he had offers to start somewhere. He should know by now that things can change in an instant and there's no guarantee they can keep that promise.
   366. Mefisto Posted: July 16, 2012 at 04:37 PM (#4184170)
Yeah, I wouldn't take a promise like that either. I'm hoping there was more, but it's possible that he simply couldn't find anywhere else (which would be depressing).
   367. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: July 16, 2012 at 04:49 PM (#4184186)
Given the level of...how can I put this?...clownshoes goalkeeping one sees every year, I'm surprised Guzan couldn't find somewhere to take him, since he has, at least, not proven himself to be totally clownshoes.
   368. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: July 16, 2012 at 06:10 PM (#4184234)
Who wants to buy a 20 million pound donkey?

Anyone? Anyone? He's an England international, only slightly used!

Given the level of...how can I put this?...clownshoes goalkeeping one sees every year

Who are the keepers worse than Guzan that have starting gigs? It's tough for keepers to break into a starting 11--there are only so many open jobs every year. I can think of 10 clubs off the top of my head he'd have no chance at. And maybe Villa even told him it would be open competition this year. I don't think there's anyway he would have re-signed if a starting place had been available with another club.
   369. Mefisto Posted: July 16, 2012 at 06:31 PM (#4184254)
You're probably right about the Premiere League Shooty, but there must be teams in the Championship or elsewhere which need a goalie. He needs playing time.
   370. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: July 16, 2012 at 06:59 PM (#4184276)
You're probably right about the Premiere League Shooty, but there must be teams in the Championship or elsewhere which need a goalie. He needs playing time.
This is what I was thinking. There's dozens of teams out there, and Guzan can't be any kind of huge wage.
   371. Swedish Chef Posted: July 16, 2012 at 07:29 PM (#4184313)
There's dozens of teams out there, and Guzan can't be any kind of huge wage.

A backup goalkeeper in Prem will earn double or triple the wages of a top Championship player. Nobody goes down voluntarily except on loan (and then they keep their Prem wages).
   372. vortex of dissipation Posted: July 16, 2012 at 07:38 PM (#4184319)
BBC is reporting that Dundee is taking Rangers' spot in the SPL.


That'll create some interesting traffic jams if they can't redo the schedule so that Dundee and Dundee United aren't at home on the same day.
   373. Mefisto Posted: July 16, 2012 at 09:18 PM (#4184385)
Well, the wage issue is obviously big. But Guzan's young and he's going to get pigeon-holed as a number two if this doesn't change.
   374. Richard Posted: July 16, 2012 at 09:40 PM (#4184403)
That'll create some interesting traffic jams if they can't redo the schedule so that Dundee and Dundee United aren't at home on the same day.

There will be no such comedy, as the mysterious "team 12" on the SPL fixture list is always at home when Dundee United are away, and vice versa. Presumably someone had forseen this possible consequence...
   375. DA Baracus is gritty and hits with RISP Posted: July 16, 2012 at 09:52 PM (#4184415)
Guzan apparently made 1.7M a year on his last contract. The wages point is a very good one, but I concur with Mefisto, he's running a very good risk of labeling himself a career backup.

It's not just that he is going to be a backup again (unless there's a loan deal or Given is about to be sold), it's that he's going to be a backup at *Aston Villa* again. He had an opportunity to leave that stinkhole but chose to come back. The other offers must have been significant salary cuts.
   376. vortex of dissipation Posted: July 16, 2012 at 09:59 PM (#4184420)
There will be no such comedy, as the mysterious "team 12" on the SPL fixture list is always at home when Dundee United are away, and vice versa. Presumably someone had forseen this possible consequence...


This article published today says that there are nine conflicts on the schedule.
   377. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: July 16, 2012 at 10:56 PM (#4184457)
Who wants to buy a 20 million pound donkey?

Anyone? Anyone? He's an England international, only slightly used!


"[...] as demand for striker hots up"? I can't be the only one who's seen it termed like that before, right?
   378. I am going to be Frank Posted: July 16, 2012 at 11:02 PM (#4184467)
In a vacuum would you rather have Bendtner or Carroll? Would you rather have Bendtner for 10 million or Carroll for 20 million?
   379. Richard Posted: July 16, 2012 at 11:23 PM (#4184478)
This article published today says that there are nine conflicts on the schedule.

I stand corrected and shake my fist at whatever website I read at the time that stated that the fixtures meshed exactly!
   380. FancyPantsHandle glistening with foreign substance Posted: July 17, 2012 at 01:00 AM (#4184527)
In a vacuum would you rather have Bendtner or Carroll?

In a vacuum probably Carroll. That question depends hugely on who else is already on your team though.

Would you rather have Bendtner for 10 million or Carroll for 20 million?

Bendtner. Assuming neither isn't an option.
   381. ursus arctos Posted: July 17, 2012 at 05:40 AM (#4184563)
Indeed, the "Team 12" on the SPL list was clearly intended to be Rangers, as they were never home on the same day as Celtic and were playing Celtic on Boxing Day.

Given that the two Dundee clubs play in grounds that are a literal stone's throw away from each other (much closer than Liverpool and Everton), there will now need to be some re-arranging of fixtures.
   382. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: July 17, 2012 at 08:10 AM (#4184588)
Kenny Miller signed with Vancouver.

Newcastle are hot for Carroll for some reason. I don't get that at all.
   383. Crispix Attacks 2: Swag Airlines Posted: July 17, 2012 at 08:20 AM (#4184600)
Sell high, buy low! Or is it the reverse order?
   384. Crispix Attacks 2: Swag Airlines Posted: July 17, 2012 at 08:24 AM (#4184605)
Given that the two Dundee clubs play in grounds that are a literal stone's throw away from each other (much closer than Liverpool and Everton), there will now need to be some re-arranging of fixtures.

Dundee Non-United already wear the same color as Rangers. Surely no one would object to them Ibrox for their home games until this is all sorted out.
   385. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: July 17, 2012 at 08:24 AM (#4184606)
Sell high, buy low! Or is it the reverse order?

Depends on if you're Newcastle or Liverpool!

Newcastle is a different team from when Carroll left. they have a #9 who's 10 times the player he is and they keep the ball on the ground a lot more. It doesn't seem like a great place for him except that it's home.

Lukaku may head to Fulham on loan. That could be good for everyone, though I'm not so high on Lukaku.
   386. Obi One Kenobi Nil Posted: July 17, 2012 at 08:40 AM (#4184623)
Newcastle are hot for Carroll for some reason. I don't get that at all.


I would not go above £5-7 for him and £40K a week. He is a player that does one thing very well and can succeed if a team is built to exploit that One Thing, in all other respects he's pretty much a rich mans Grant Holt. He does not have the body or ball control to handle long balls as a lone striker, is no more than "barely acceptable" in terms of playing the ball on the ground and is less mobile than Bengie Molina.

Do not want.
   387. Mattbert Posted: July 17, 2012 at 11:00 AM (#4184763)
Marcotti on Milan cashing in on Ibra and Thiago Silva in the context of FFP
Milan's imminent sale of Thiago Silva and Zlatan Ibrahimovic to Paris St. Germain is probably the first major side effect of UEFA's Financial Fair Play plan. Coupled with the departures of Gianluca Zambrotta, Gennaro Gattuso, Clarence Seedorf, Mark Van Bommel, Alessandro Nesta and Pippo Inzaghi, it represents a massive overhaul aimed primarily at saving money and moving the Rossoneri towards FFP.

Collectively, the guys who are gone -- some sold, others released at the end of their contracts -- made up nearly 40 percent of Milan's wage bill. And while the transfer window isn't over -- new players will arrive and must be paid as well -- when the dust settles, Milan's salary expenditure will probably be about 25 to 35 percent less than it is now.

Given that this club spent nearly $250 million in salaries last year while recording losses of approximately $80 million, you don't need to be a math major to figure out that this will help Milan meet those pesky FFP requirements, which limit the losses a team can sustain (initially it's $54 million over two years, but every season the restrictions become more stringent).
   388. Mattbert Posted: July 17, 2012 at 11:03 AM (#4184767)
And because you can't ever have enough Villas-Boas in your life, here's Michael Cox on Tottenham's new field general:
It's difficult to predict how Villas-Boas will approach Tottenham's tactics, as he's so different from predecessor Harry Redknapp; though both managers like attacking football and playing with width, Villas-Boas' approach is much more structured and scripted. "There are no long and boring speeches about tactics," Rafael van der Vaart enthused when he first joined Redknapp at Tottenham. The Dutchman is set for a shock when he returns for preseason, and you can imagine van der Vaart -- talented but anarchic -- struggling to fit into Villas-Boas' system.

If Villas-Boas decides to move from Tottenham's 4-4-2 (or 4-4-1-1) to his usual 4-3-3, the problem area is on the flanks. Whereas Emmanuel Adebayor, likely to be signed on a full-time basis, is a good lone striker and a midfield trio should have no problems, Aaron Lennon and Gareth Bale would be playing very high up the pitch, though both prefer getting the ball to feet before picking up speed and dribbling.

Besides, Villas-Boas prefers to play with one wide forward rather than two wingers in his forward three, and Spurs have been strongly linked with Hulk and Daniel Sturridge, players who excelled under Villas-Boas in the outside-right role.
   389. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: July 17, 2012 at 11:04 AM (#4184769)
Milan's imminent sale of Thiago Silva and Zlatan Ibrahimovic to Paris St. Germain is probably the first major side effect of UEFA's Financial Fair Play plan.

I read this article, too, and it makes sense to a point--Ibra is great but not getting any younger and all--but this statement sticks out for me. How is FFP forcing Milan to sell but not keeping PSG from plunking out for these ridiculous salaries? Something here doesn't compute.
   390. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: July 17, 2012 at 11:13 AM (#4184784)
I read this article, too, and it makes sense to a point--Ibra is great but not getting any younger and all--but this statement sticks out for me. How is FFP forcing Milan to sell but not keeping PSG from plunking out for these ridiculous salaries? Something here doesn't compute.


I'm not remotely knowledgeable about FFP but what was PSG's wage bill before those deals? FFP sounds like it's creating a sort of floating salary cap and if a team has room under that "cap" then they are going to be able to add players.

To put it into baseball terms if something like this were done I could easily see the Yankees selling Curtis Granderson and Nick Swisher to the Rays because the Rays would have room within the framework of FFP.
   391. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: July 17, 2012 at 11:22 AM (#4184800)
I'm not remotely knowledgeable about FFP but what was PSG's wage bill before those deals? FFP sounds like it's creating a sort of floating salary cap and if a team has room under that "cap" then they are going to be able to add players.

Don't know, but they signed some big names last year, too. And who follows PSG? I can't imagine their income is all that great unless they have some unique commercial deals in the pipeline. I'm just going to assume FFP is nonsense until I see Chelsea, Man City, etc. tightening their belts.

The police are investigating the "Choc Ice" comment one of Rio Ferdinand's followers made about Ashley Cole. I think it's admirable the Brits want to stamp out racism, but jeez.
   392. Obi One Kenobi Nil Posted: July 17, 2012 at 12:27 PM (#4184895)
It's the asinine "hate speech" legislation we have in the UK which means if you say something somebody somewhere interprets as offensive and makes a complaint the Police have to investigate rather than telling prissy-mc-bunched-panties to stop wasting police time.

I also assume Paris S-G are taking the Man City route to getting out from under FFP my making use of all the off-sets (like spending millions on training facilities) and "friendly" sponsorship deals.
   393. Mattbert Posted: July 17, 2012 at 12:30 PM (#4184900)
I think Jose must be on the right track re: FFP in #390. PSG's wage bill will have been much lower than Milan's. And now they can count on some Champions League money. CL alone will offset probably a third of the Ibra/Silva fee, even if they crash out in the group stage (and the chances of that are, of course, somewhat diminished with the arrival of Ibra and Silva).
   394. JuanGone..except1game Posted: July 17, 2012 at 12:52 PM (#4184922)
Lukaku may head to Fulham on loan. That could be good for everyone, though I'm not so high on Lukaku.


He had such a great season at 17 with Anderlecht (20 goals) that despite his struggle last year, I still think that he has the potential to be very good. He's still only barely 19 and AVB made a poor decision not to loan him out last year as he clearly wasn't ready for Chelsea. With Pogrebnyak gone, the Cottagers need FWs to pair with Dembele and Lukaku definitely needs the playing time.
   395. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: July 17, 2012 at 01:01 PM (#4184934)
I think Jose must be on the right track re: FFP in #390. PSG's wage bill will have been much lower than Milan's. And now they can count on some Champions League money. CL alone will offset probably a third of the Ibra/Silva fee, even if they crash out in the group stage (and the chances of that are, of course, somewhat diminished with the arrival of Ibra and Silva).

We'll see. Ligue 1 doesn't get all that much in tv revenue and they've guaranteed Silva and Ibra a total of 25 million Euros a year...AFTER TAXES. Even if they can get "friendly" commercial deals and add in CL money that will put their revenue somewhere near Tottenham's at 181 million Euros (I'm being generous to PSG here as they aren't even in Deloitte's top 20 Money League yet while Tottenham is 11th), those deals for just Silva and Ibra will account for over a quarter of their turnover without even taking into account the transfer fees (which they might not have to depending on how they account for it--I'm honestly not sure how UEFA is going to make teams clubs handle amortization on transfer fees). Hopefully Swiss Ramble will take a look at it because I'm genuinely curious about it.
   396. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: July 17, 2012 at 02:40 PM (#4185077)
Arsenal's contract crisis #2

Kind of the Mini-Me one compared to Van Persie.
   397. Swedish Chef Posted: July 17, 2012 at 02:41 PM (#4185080)
PSG spent a hundred million euros before last season started and they don't have anything near Milan's earning power. And now they have got Lavezzi + this duo, complete with hefty net raises and heavy taxes. There is no way in hell they aren't spending way over their organic means.
   398. Flynn Posted: July 17, 2012 at 02:46 PM (#4185086)
nobody inside or outside Arsenal is too bothered about Walcott.

It's like having your Cy Young-winning pitcher and your #4 starter hit the market at same time.
   399. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: July 17, 2012 at 02:50 PM (#4185091)
It's like having your Cy Young-winning pitcher and your #4 starter hit the market at same time.

I figured Gooners wouldn't be too worried. He's occasionally devastating, though.
   400. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: July 17, 2012 at 02:53 PM (#4185092)
I figured Gooners wouldn't be too worried. He's occasionally devastating, though.


Theo Walcott=Josh Beckett; Occasionally brilliant with memorable performances but at the end of the season he's a step down from being a star and leaves you feeling like he didn't accomplish what he should have.
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