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OT: The Soccer Thread: June

Euro 2012 Kicks Off!

Notable Early Round Matches:

Basically anything in Group B, which features teams currently ranked second, fourth, fifth and tenth in the FIFA rankings. That’s insane. Matchdays are June 9 (Saturday), 13 (Wednesday) and 17 (Sunday—Father’s Day). Don’t miss ‘em.

 

 

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   1701. I am going to be Frank Posted: June 21, 2012 at 11:51 AM (#4162746)
Aren't English managers different than the rest of Europe in that they have a big say in transfer policy?

What about Dutch coaches? Dutch coaches are all over the place. They seem to have a lot of success everywhere - it just can't be the fact that they are multilingual.

I think British coaches (and players) usually don't leave England because there are very few places that would pay better than any of the "big" English clubs. I can only think of McClaren, Hodgson, & Robson who has managed outside of England.
   1702. ursus arctos Posted: June 21, 2012 at 12:18 PM (#4162765)
But Chef, if you read Italian commentary from the 60s on il Grande Inter, you will see that there are long discourses on his tactical choices.

I really don't think that it should be controversial to state that Continental managers (in general) are more tactically sophisticated than their English colleagues. In fact, one of the reasons why the FA hired Hodgson was the thought that he would be able to use his experience and the facilities and infrastructure being built at Burton to try to narrow that gap. There is, of course, more to being a successful manager than tactics, which is why the "better" assertion is more contentious.

The Budweiser thing is bizarre. I wonder if they are thinking about things like Old Timers' Games.
   1703. Flynn Posted: June 21, 2012 at 12:27 PM (#4162772)
I don't see why it's contentious either. British managers used to be just as tactical as anybody else, but Britain got pretty headstrong and forgot that other countries did play good football. A general distrust of the Continent (in matters more than just football) didn't and doesn't help. You regularly hear British fans and pundits sneer at the Italian and German game.

What about Dutch coaches? Dutch coaches are all over the place. They seem to have a lot of success everywhere - it just can't be the fact that they are multilingual.


Dutch managers are multilingual and all come out of the 4-3-3 Cruyff school, which means they get a lot of opportunities for jobs as boards/chairmen love to bring in managers who play attacking ball.

In fact, one of the reasons why the FA hired Hodgson was the thought that he would be able to use his experience and the facilities and infrastructure being built at Burton to try to narrow that gap. There is, of course, more to being a successful manager than tactics, which is why the "better" assertion is more contentious.


I don't think England's that bad at the fitness part, or the teambuilding part (I don't think ritiro is the secret English football doesn't know about) but tactics and skills they definitely lag behind.

It's getting better - I've seen it with my own eyes at coaching sessions - but there's a lot of bad habits to be undone, and it will take a long time. The FA's move to finally adopt smaller pitches for youth games and disband leagues will help a lot too.
   1704. FancyPantsHandle glistening with foreign substance Posted: June 21, 2012 at 12:33 PM (#4162777)
I don't see why it's contentious either. British managers used to be just as tactical as anybody else, but Britain got pretty headstrong and forgot that other countries did play good football. A general distrust of the Continent (in matters more than just football) didn't and doesn't help. You regularly hear British fans and pundits sneer at the Italian and German game.


To be fair, the Italian game does deserve to get sneered at. And as much as they do sneer, it's not even in the same ballpark as to how much the German's sneer at the English game.
   1705. Flynn Posted: June 21, 2012 at 12:48 PM (#4162786)
Sneering at the match-fixing I understand (and agree with). Sneering at it for being "too defensive" is stupid, all the more so when the Premier League was actually the lower scoring league for several years. People did this in the 90s too, when Serie A was indisputably better than the Premier League.

   1706. Swedish Chef Posted: June 21, 2012 at 12:49 PM (#4162787)
The best mutual sneering in football is the one between Spain and Italy.
   1707. frannyzoo Posted: June 21, 2012 at 12:54 PM (#4162789)
I'm in Höxter, currently, and it's been great watching Euro 2012 here in Germany. Sure, the flags flying from cars and draped from windows are good scenery (and not all German flags, a smattering of Italia here and England there), but the best part might be the beyond ESPN-on acid hype (every newscast, every Bild cover, of course, everywhere), along with the play-by-play...and I can't really understand more than two or three words of it. It's better than selective hearing.

My only concern is what happens if Germany doesn't make it to the final. There will be blood. A 14/16 year drinking age won't help. I plan on hitting small, small towns for the German quarters/semis. The fireworks after every German goal, regardless of town, have been nice, but I think they might turn into bigger bombs with a German loss.
   1708. FancyPantsHandle glistening with foreign substance Posted: June 21, 2012 at 12:55 PM (#4162790)
The best mutual sneering in football is the one between Spain and Italy.

Whenever I see Spain and Italy in the same sentence, I have to reflect upon the wisdoms of Loddar Mathäus: "Mailand oder Madrid - Hauptsache Italien!"
   1709. Swedish Chef Posted: June 21, 2012 at 01:31 PM (#4162820)
Going back to betting:

I'd lay some money on the Czechs. I'm seeing 5-to-1 odds for a Czech win against Portugal, and that seems like a pretty good bet. Portugal played very well through three games, but they have flaws, and the Czechs are a reasonable side.

I think the odds are pretty reasonable, the Czechs have really gone downhill for some years and Rosicky won't start. I would have gone for the draw if anything, it pays pretty well here and you can always expect a spirited defense from even a mediocre team in a do-or-die match. I have done the exact opposite, however, and bet on over 2.5 goals at 2.26. Sure, elimination games tend to be tighter, but these two teams can both score and ship goals.
   1710. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: June 21, 2012 at 01:39 PM (#4162833)
Sneering at it for being "too defensive" is stupid, all the more so when the Premier League was actually the lower scoring league for several years.


But there's more to it than pure scoring -- what percentage of goals in Serie A come on set pieces? Last I checked it was enormous. Italian football is bar none the most dreadfully stultifying brand at the top level, and should be sneered at by all and sundry.

The German game is great, though. Fun and tough both. If I spoke German, I'd watch mostly Bundesliga games, probably.
   1711. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: June 21, 2012 at 01:41 PM (#4162836)
Has anyone ever looked at the impact of scheduling on tournaments like this? I realize things get spaced out a bit but there still seems to be a slight advantage for the "Group A" teams as the tournament progresses.

For example, at this Euro Group A winner would play 6 games in 23 days including 2 extra days off between their quarter and semi-final games. Group D teams by contrast would play 6 games in 19 days and the winner would have a 2 day disadvantage between the quarter and semi. In fact, in a hypothetical England vs. Portugal final (I know) Portugal would play 3 games in 11 days while England would play 3 in 8. That seems like a big edge.

Take it to the World Cup from 2010;

Uruguay (Group A winner) 7 games in 32 days
Spain (Group D winner) 7 games in 26 days (obviously it didn't hurt)

Knockout stages
Uruguay (if they made the finals) 4 games in 16 days
Spain 4 games in 13 days

Now Spain gives lie to my little theory here but I'd be curious if anyone has ever looked into it.

Just to get a bit into it, the two biggest surprises that I'm aware of in recent memory; Greece 2004 and Denmark 1992 both came from Group A (well, "Group 1" technically for Denmark). Denmark was in the days of a 16 day tournament and the differences were minor. Greece though is an interesting case supporting the theory. Both they and Portugal came out of Group A, both beat Group D teams in the semis.

So, when Greece beat the Dutch in the Semis they were playing their 5th game in 19 days while the Dutch were playing their 5th in 16 days. Portugal had a similar edge (5 in 20) against Czech Republic (5 in 17).

I dunno, talking out my ass again.
   1712. Swedish Chef Posted: June 21, 2012 at 01:48 PM (#4162840)
I really don't think that it should be controversial to state that Continental managers (in general) are more tactically sophisticated than their English colleagues.

"Sophisticated", there is a word that sticks in my craw, what does it even mean in the context of tactics? Apart from distinguishing between what English and continental managers do, and is there really a difference in 2012?

It's an old cliché, but there's not nearly enough national homogeneity to make a convincing case for that, not today. Kevin Keegan was as dismissive of tactics as one can be, and maybe it's telling that he got the England job. But there are no more Keegans and Joe Royles in English football, they have all computerized and added analysts to the staff now. For all his looks, Sam Allardyce is as sophisticated tactically as any Italian coach around.
   1713. Crispix Attacks 2: Swag Airlines Posted: June 21, 2012 at 01:48 PM (#4162841)
I just realized that there are only 7 matches left.
   1714. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: June 21, 2012 at 01:50 PM (#4162844)
But there's more to it than pure scoring -- what percentage of goals in Serie A come on set pieces? Last I checked it was enormous. Italian football is bar none the most dreadfully stultifying brand at the top level, and should be sneered at by all and sundry.

I enjoy Serie A. I just hope Al Jazeera would sort their #### out by August.
   1715. ursus arctos Posted: June 21, 2012 at 01:52 PM (#4162846)
Jose, write that up into an article, and you have a shot at The Blizzard.
   1716. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: June 21, 2012 at 01:55 PM (#4162851)
Italian football is bar none the most dreadfully stultifying brand at the top level, and should be sneered at by all and sundry.

Yep, nothing like watching Stoke score from throw-ins or Martin O'Neill teams whip in crosses. Thrilling stuff!
   1717. Swedish Chef Posted: June 21, 2012 at 02:02 PM (#4162858)
Yep, nothing like watching Stoke score from throw-ins or Martin O'Neill teams whip in crosses. Thrilling stuff!

I'm offended that you didn't mention Alex McLeish, last season wasn't worth it if we can't at least get into the horror team hall of fame.
   1718. Flynn Posted: June 21, 2012 at 02:03 PM (#4162860)
But there's more to it than pure scoring -- what percentage of goals in Serie A come on set pieces? Last I checked it was enormous. Italian football is bar none the most dreadfully stultifying brand at the top level, and should be sneered at by all and sundry.


Wait, you're criticizing the Serie A in favor of the Premier League by saying there's too many set piece goals? Pull the other one, mate.

Serie A isn't what it used to be, in especially in the period from Platini joining Juve roughly until the Juve-Milan Champions League final in 2003. It was the best league in the world then, bar none. But it's still technically formidable and the tactics are still innovative (Serie A teams have been experimenting with three at the back for a while now, Milan's Christmas tree, Spalletti and Roma's 4-6-0, etc). I enjoy English football, obviously, but you do see as many bad passes in 15 minutes as you see in entire Serie A games sometimes.

And the quality of the defending, as ever, is excellent. Italian defenders are usually pretty cultured too, and good at playing the ball out of trouble rather than just kicking it into Row Z, as many English defenders still lapse into at times. Italy still gets a bad rap for the catenaccio period, and not enough credit for the really elegant play that comes from the gioco all'Italiana.
   1719. Crispix Attacks 2: Swag Airlines Posted: June 21, 2012 at 02:05 PM (#4162863)
What about penalties? Who has the highest ratio of penalty-goals to non-penalty goals? That's usually a good indication of a bad viewing experience.
   1720. Textbook Editor Posted: June 21, 2012 at 02:14 PM (#4162870)
Re: #1711--It would be hard (I'd imagine), to separate out the schedule/X-games-in-Y-days analysis from the overall quality of the teams involved, but if you went back and looked at all major tournaments from the various continents + the World Cup, and could--in the data--find that overall "lesser" teams seem to have a greater win % in knockout games when they were more rested than their opponent... that would be interesting data to have.

If I had to lay money on it, I would bet that the more rested team would generally have a higher win %, but where it gets tricky would be figuring out whether or not so-called "underdogs" in such scenarios benefit from being the "extra rest" team in a given match.

The good news is there probably is finite data to look at, even if you considered all of the continents and went back to, say, 1950 (or whatever you might want to define as the "modern" era). There's enough of these that you might even get useful data going back to just 1980 or so.
   1721. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: June 21, 2012 at 02:17 PM (#4162871)
Czech Republic: Cech; Gebre Selassie, Sivok, Kadlec, Limbersky; Hubshman, Plasil; Jiracek, Darida, Pilar; Baros
Portugal: Patricio; Pereira, Pepe, Alves, Coentrao; Meireles, Veloso, Moutinho; Nani, Postiga, Ronaldo

No surprises here.
   1722. Swedish Chef Posted: June 21, 2012 at 02:18 PM (#4162872)
The Czechs are going all out to spoil my bet:

Portugal's opponents in tonight's quarter-final are also drawing inspiration from Chelsea, as the Czech Republic intend deploying all of their dynamism to park a fleet of buses in front of Petr Cech's goal. "We will have to stay compact and defend as a team," trilled Czech defender Tomas Sivok, adding: "No one can expect us to open up against them because their counter-attacks are lethal." The Czechs' cunning plan of preventing Portugal from counter-attacking by never launching any attacks of their own was made to look all the more understandable today by the confirmation Tomas Rosicky will not be fit enough to start, and that no friendly wizard has magicked Jan Koller back into the fray and renewed whatever spell it was that made Milan Baros so deadly eight years ago. Their plot, then, seems to be for Cech to prevail on penalties again.


Not that I didn't know that before.
   1723. DA Baracus is gritty and hits with RISP Posted: June 21, 2012 at 02:23 PM (#4162873)
Memorization killed chess—is football the next victim?

I don't fully agree, but it's a good read.

EDIT: Also, it has video of the 1953 England-Hungary game. Definitely a different time.
   1724. DA Baracus is gritty and hits with RISP Posted: June 21, 2012 at 02:29 PM (#4162878)
Has anyone ever looked at the impact of scheduling on tournaments like this? I realize things get spaced out a bit but there still seems to be a slight advantage for the "Group A" teams as the tournament progresses.


Yup. Zonal Marking does it again!

   1725. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: June 21, 2012 at 02:30 PM (#4162879)
I don't fully agree, but it's a good read.

I wish Spurs could remember where the #### they're supposed to be on a set piece...

I didn't know that about chess, but then, I know even less about Chess than I do about soccer.
   1726. Arnett Mead (Arjun) Posted: June 21, 2012 at 02:30 PM (#4162880)
1711: Jose, I don't know if anyone has done a statistical survey to see if this has an effect on tournament results (and you should do it! It would definitely be an article worth reading!), but Michael Cox wrote something a couple of months ago with a very similar thesis.

EDIT: GAH! Kudos/coke to you, DA Baracus! also, on the previous subject:
And the quality of the defending, as ever, is excellent. Italian defenders are usually pretty cultured too, and good at playing the ball out of trouble rather than just kicking it into Row Z, as many English defenders still lapse into at times. Italy still gets a bad rap for the catenaccio period, and not enough credit for the really elegant play that comes from the gioco all'Italiana.

as a defensive-football-person, this is why I watch Serie A over other similar leagues, but I know I'm in the minority here
   1727. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: June 21, 2012 at 02:31 PM (#4162881)
EDIT: Also, it has video of the 1953 England-Hungary game. Definitely a different time.

How much has the distance a keeper can kick a ball affected the game? Those old leather balls didn't fly for crap.
   1728. ursus arctos Posted: June 21, 2012 at 02:36 PM (#4162885)
I wish Spurs could remember where the #### they're supposed to be on a set piece...


Well, you know, maybe if they had a manager who was sophisticated about such things . . .

I'd say the much, much lighter ball has had a more significant impact on other areas of the game than keeper distribution.
   1729. I am going to be Frank Posted: June 21, 2012 at 02:38 PM (#4162888)
I have found Serie A boring for the past couple seasons. I think it has something to do with tactics (slow pace, look for counter, no wing play, etc.) but now I'm thinking it has more to do with the lack of talent. There is less money in the Italian and the quality of players has suffered a bit. Look how old AC has gotten and Inter got old really fast after Mourinho left. Besides Udinese and Napoli there are no "fun" teams to watch.
   1730. Swedish Chef Posted: June 21, 2012 at 02:40 PM (#4162890)
I'd say the much, much lighter ball has had a more significant impact on other areas of the game than keeper distribution.

Schmeichel's throws were awesome, though.

EDIT: But who am I to doubt his ability to throw a heavy leather ball to the halfway line if needed?
   1731. Swedish Chef Posted: June 21, 2012 at 02:42 PM (#4162893)
The big con with Serie A for me is that you have to take the conspiracy nuts seriously.
   1732. Swedish Chef Posted: June 21, 2012 at 02:47 PM (#4162895)
Hey, there's a game on!
   1733. ursus arctos Posted: June 21, 2012 at 02:47 PM (#4162896)
1729, the overall quality of Serie A has definitely declined sharply. Zeman at Roma will definitely be entertaining, though.
   1734. FancyPantsHandle glistening with foreign substance Posted: June 21, 2012 at 02:49 PM (#4162897)
For this game, I predict... that Howard Webb, MBE will make a hash of it.
   1735. Swedish Chef Posted: June 21, 2012 at 02:52 PM (#4162900)
Ronaldo is angry at the ball that dared defy him.
   1736. President of the David Eckstein Fan Club Posted: June 21, 2012 at 03:05 PM (#4162903)
Ronaldo is such a diva
   1737. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: June 21, 2012 at 03:13 PM (#4162907)
Czechs looks pretty good so far except they're corners have looked fairly impotent.
   1738. DA Baracus is gritty and hits with RISP Posted: June 21, 2012 at 03:15 PM (#4162908)
Somehow my girlfriend knew this and I didn't--Ronaldo had a kid and bought it from the mom for $10 million.
   1739. I am going to be Frank Posted: June 21, 2012 at 03:16 PM (#4162909)
If the Czech team had a forward with a pulse they would be a lot better.
   1740. I am going to be Frank Posted: June 21, 2012 at 03:19 PM (#4162910)
then again so would Portugal.

If you were a super-rich athlete (I guess any super-rich male) why wouldn't you make a donation and just get a vasectomy?
   1741. Tike Redman's Shattered Dreams (shayborg) Posted: June 21, 2012 at 03:23 PM (#4162911)
This game is unbelievably ugly.
   1742. Swedish Chef Posted: June 21, 2012 at 03:26 PM (#4162914)
If you were a super-rich athlete (I guess any super-rich male) why wouldn't you make a donation and just get a vasectomy?

Doesn't apply. Ronaldo was happy about the child*, he has full custody after all. The money was to have the mother give up any rights.

*) To absolutely no ones surprise, he is named Cristiano.
   1743. President of the David Eckstein Fan Club Posted: June 21, 2012 at 03:31 PM (#4162916)
Lovely work by Ronaldo there, unlucky to hit the post. Czechs hanging on a bit.
   1744. Tike Redman's Shattered Dreams (shayborg) Posted: June 21, 2012 at 03:31 PM (#4162917)
Ronaldo is such a fantastic player. Why does he have to be an ass?
   1745. Swedish Chef Posted: June 21, 2012 at 03:31 PM (#4162918)
That Ronaldo is a pretty nifty player. I wonder if he would fancy a transfer to Villa?
   1746. FancyPantsHandle glistening with foreign substance Posted: June 21, 2012 at 04:11 PM (#4162942)
This chat is even less exciting than the game.
   1747. Tike Redman's Shattered Dreams (shayborg) Posted: June 21, 2012 at 04:19 PM (#4162945)
This chat is even less exciting than the game.

There's not much to talk about. The Czech are doing nothing and the Portuguese are squandering chances. Eventually Portugal will score or it will go to penalty kicks. The End.
   1748. Tike Redman's Shattered Dreams (shayborg) Posted: June 21, 2012 at 04:21 PM (#4162947)
There's not much to talk about. The Czech are doing nothing and the Portuguese are squandering chances. Eventually Portugal will score or it will go to penalty kicks. The End.

Hey, look, Portugal scored. Fantastic cross from Moutinho and great movement from Ronaldo. No way to prevent that once Moutinho got past the defenders.
   1749. vortex of dissipation Posted: June 21, 2012 at 04:21 PM (#4162948)
Eventually Portugal will score


Yep.
   1750. Swedish Chef Posted: June 21, 2012 at 04:21 PM (#4162949)
Well, he deserved that.
   1751. President of the David Eckstein Fan Club Posted: June 21, 2012 at 04:22 PM (#4162951)
Good and well-deserved goal for Ronaldo
   1752. Tike Redman's Shattered Dreams (shayborg) Posted: June 21, 2012 at 04:23 PM (#4162952)
Biggest Twatball disappointment this tournament has to be Pepe, right?
   1753. Swedish Chef Posted: June 21, 2012 at 04:24 PM (#4162953)
John Terry is up there too.
   1754. DA Baracus is gritty and hits with RISP Posted: June 21, 2012 at 04:35 PM (#4162963)
Portugal has Ronaldo and Rolando. Not as good as the Greeks, but not bad either.
   1755. President of the David Eckstein Fan Club Posted: June 21, 2012 at 04:36 PM (#4162964)
Terrible corner in what was probably their last chance
   1756. I am going to be Frank Posted: June 21, 2012 at 05:02 PM (#4162977)
I never realized how well Ronaldo moves without the ball until now. Mustow mentioned it a bunch of times and Ronaldo showed it on the goal. I'm just so used to seeing his long range shots, free kicks and stepovers that I never noticed that he uses his speed and acceleration so well to get in great positions.
   1757. ursus arctos Posted: June 21, 2012 at 06:20 PM (#4163018)
   1758. Flynn Posted: June 21, 2012 at 06:30 PM (#4163026)
Hey ursus, you ever watched Romanzo Criminale - la Serie? I just watched an ep (which was ep 2) and I still can't figure out if it's really good, or just guys mimicking Scorsese movies.
   1759. ursus arctos Posted: June 21, 2012 at 06:33 PM (#4163028)
It's very good for contemporary Italian television.

But that's a very low bar.
   1760. Flynn Posted: June 21, 2012 at 07:03 PM (#4163036)
Yeah, Italian TV is awful. On the other hand, Italian movies are quite good, and this show definitely has a budget more like the latter. The acting is a bit wooden though. Grunting doesn't always get the message across.
   1761. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: June 21, 2012 at 08:31 PM (#4163077)
Hey UK folks, I have a question about tickets brokers. There are some UK based sites scalping Tottenham - Chelsea tix but are any of them reputable? The reviews seem mixed and the tickets aren't cheap so I'd probably vomit if I fell for a scam. I can get tickets through Thomas Cook but I'd have to get their hotel package and it gets very expensive though I'm sure I'd actually get the tickets. So, does anyone have any experience with these ticket brokers like 5Starfootballtickets.com or ticket4football.com or livefootballtickets.com etc.?
   1762. Mattbert Posted: June 21, 2012 at 09:02 PM (#4163102)
The best soccer-related Tumblr of all time.

The two of Gazza I've seen so far are each worth the price of admission all by themselves.
   1763. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: June 21, 2012 at 09:03 PM (#4163105)
The two of Gazza I've seen so far are each worth the price of admission all by themselves.

I was impressed by Waddle's mullet.
   1764. Mattbert Posted: June 21, 2012 at 09:28 PM (#4163131)
I was impressed by Waddle's mullet.

That thing will make you #### your pants in a combination of terror, awe, and lust the first time you see it.
   1765. Mattbert Posted: June 21, 2012 at 09:38 PM (#4163139)
   1766. Spivey Posted: June 21, 2012 at 09:40 PM (#4163143)
The Czechs looked awful. When they decided to play Chelsea ball, they forgot that Drogba wasn't Czech. Although I don't think there was anything they could have done about that - they just played a much better team. I'm looking forward to a Spain/Portugal rematch from the WC. In a lot of respects I thought Portugal played Spain tougher than anyone else in the WC.
   1767. Mefisto Posted: June 21, 2012 at 09:54 PM (#4163154)
I think 3 teams could give Spain trouble: Germany (obviously), but also Portugal and (yes) England. The latter two have good speed on the counter and Spain's defenders are vulnerable to that. I'm not sure either Portugal or England can play defense well enough, but on the right day....
   1768. Juan V Posted: June 21, 2012 at 10:23 PM (#4163192)
Yeah, I was thinking England probably has a better shot than France. The former are more likely to accept they won't get the ball for much of the game, and find other ways to do damage.
   1769. Juan V Posted: June 22, 2012 at 06:29 AM (#4163401)
   1770. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: June 22, 2012 at 08:05 AM (#4163426)
I'm suprised no one has linked to/referenced this

I've seen that before but I just assumed everyone else already had!

It's looking very likely Modric is off to Real Madrid. It will be interesting to see who they replace him with. Dembele and Moutinho are the names I've heard a lot. Pienaar is still a Spurs player and Huddlestone should be fit, too. If AVB gets the job, I wonder if he'll feel pressed to even replace Modric as he can play Parker and Sandro with VDV as the middle of a 4-3-3 set up. I don't know, something tells me this team will be unrecognizable by August. It will also be interesting to see how Mourinho incorporates Modric into the team and if they keep Sahin around. Is it crazy to think they'll keep Sahin and Alonso might be the player on his way out? Of course, I'll be hoping Sahin is on his way to London as part of the package for Moddle.
   1771. Juan V Posted: June 22, 2012 at 08:13 AM (#4163429)
No way Alonso leaves, Jose loves how he can play long diagonal balls to the wings. Considering the homegrown player quota (which protects Granero), surely if anyone leaves it will be Sahin.
   1772. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: June 22, 2012 at 08:26 AM (#4163436)
surely if anyone leaves it will be Sahin.

We'll take him off your hands. Or, I should say, rescue him from your clutches!
   1773. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: June 22, 2012 at 08:28 AM (#4163437)
Gotta say, I'm excited for Greece/Germany. I know Germany's probably too good for Greece to beat, but then I thought Bayern was going to roll over Chelsea.
   1774. Juan V Posted: June 22, 2012 at 08:30 AM (#4163440)
Another exciting thing if the Modric transfer happens, is that one of Xabi/Khedira/Di Maria/Ozil will be resting at all times. Some of those guys could use the occasional breather.
   1775. Arnett Mead (Arjun) Posted: June 22, 2012 at 10:13 AM (#4163547)
Chelsea have revealed what their plans for Battersea Power Station would have looked like (given that these plans probably won't go through now). It looks like it would have been seriously cool (they were planning on keeping the chimneys and restoring some of the more famous portions of the power station. One of my hopes was that they would have created a museum as part of the stadium, which isn't listed here, but that's pretty close). Pity.
   1776. Crispix Attacks 2: Swag Airlines Posted: June 22, 2012 at 10:56 AM (#4163585)
Headline ambiguity arises again with CNNSI's "Spurs' Parker sues club for $20M over eye injury". Was this really the best time to begin this process, Scott?
   1777. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: June 22, 2012 at 11:10 AM (#4163598)
Headline ambiguity arises again with CNNSI's "Spurs' Parker sues club for $20M over eye injury". Was this really the best time to begin this process, Scott?

I'll be glad when one of the respective Parkers leaves his respective teams so my news feed will stop getting clogged by useless NBA news.
   1778. Swedish Chef Posted: June 22, 2012 at 11:46 AM (#4163646)
Will the Germans try to repossess the Greek kits?
   1779. Flynn Posted: June 22, 2012 at 12:02 PM (#4163667)
yeah, Arjun, that is a much cooler stadium than the generic one Arsenal built.

The funny thing is, Highbury set new standards for stadiums. The North Bank stand was the first "retro" stand in the UK. They then built a stadium which, for all intents and purposes, is exactly the same stadium as Benfica's.

BORING.
   1780. ursus arctos Posted: June 22, 2012 at 12:08 PM (#4163671)
Highbury truly was a thing of beauty and a wonderful place to watch a game.

The trade down was about five times as bad as that between the original Yankee Stadium and the current version.
   1781. DA Baracus is gritty and hits with RISP Posted: June 22, 2012 at 12:09 PM (#4163674)
Headline ambiguity arises again with CNNSI's "Spurs' Parker sues club for $20M over eye injury".


Only if you're a Tottenham fan. SI isn't putting Scott Parker on their front page.

Dembele and Moutinho are the names I've heard a lot.


Fulham is going to sell Dempsey and Dembele? I don't see it.
   1782. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: June 22, 2012 at 12:13 PM (#4163678)
Fulham is going to sell Dempsey and Dembele? I don't see it.

I don't think Dempsey is going anywhere. Dembele only has a year left on his contract so he has some leverage if he wants to move. But, more importantly in this summer of Spurs turmoil, the AEG takeover rumors are starting up again. That would be 1000 times worse than Modric leaving and Alex McLeish getting hired to manage combined.
   1783. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: June 22, 2012 at 12:17 PM (#4163685)
yeah, Arjun, that is a much cooler stadium than the generic one Arsenal built.

Is Battersea really dead for Chelsea? The winning bidders still have to prove they can turn their proposal into a reality and isn't there a non-zero chance they are full of crap?
   1784. DA Baracus is gritty and hits with RISP Posted: June 22, 2012 at 12:27 PM (#4163701)
I don't think Dempsey is going anywhere. Dembele only has a year left on his contract so he has some leverage if he wants to move.


I didn't realize Dembele only has a year left. So okay, I can see him moving. But that is why Dempsey will move, he too also only has a year left on his contract.
   1785. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: June 22, 2012 at 12:38 PM (#4163714)
I didn't realize Dembele only has a year left. So okay, I can see him moving. But that is why Dempsey will move, he too also only has a year left on his contract.

Fulham have some work to do! I saw the other day they already lost Pogrevnyak and Andy Johnson has moved on. Do they have any strikers now?
   1786. DA Baracus is gritty and hits with RISP Posted: June 22, 2012 at 01:20 PM (#4163743)
Pogrebnyak was on loan, he was going back anyway. Andy Johnson was a nice role player but he's replaceable. But yeah, they have some work to do. But for a handful of games, Dempsey and Dembele play midfield, so they aren't part of this equation, although Dempsey was deadly as a striker last year for them. They still have Brian Ruiz but he's not an out and out striker either.

As it stands they're screwed if Dempsey leaves, he's the only player left on the roster who scored more than 3 goals. But he's made it very clear he will not be back after next season. So they have some shopping to do.
   1787. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: June 22, 2012 at 01:32 PM (#4163747)
But he's made it very clear he will not be back after next season.

I wonder who will come in for him, though? He's at a funky age for a big money transfer and he means so much to Fulham they can't sell him for peanuts. Have you seen any rumors that seem substantial?
   1788. Mattbert Posted: June 22, 2012 at 01:46 PM (#4163763)
Pogrebnyak was on loan, he was going back anyway.

He's out of contract, though. I expected Fulham to make a big push to sign him because of that, and of course the looming sale (probably) of Dempsey.
   1789. Arnett Mead (Arjun) Posted: June 22, 2012 at 01:53 PM (#4163771)
Is Battersea really dead for Chelsea? The winning bidders still have to prove they can turn their proposal into a reality and isn't there a non-zero chance they are full of crap?

The hope is that they are, but who knows, really? At the very least, they're in negotiations right now.

Regardless, I'm totally expecting them to turn Battersea into a factory for Cybermen, so I'm redefining "expecting the worst" on this one.
   1790. vortex of dissipation Posted: June 22, 2012 at 01:55 PM (#4163775)
I'm suprised no one has linked to/referenced this


Marx is quite right. Socrates was clearly offside.
   1791. Swedish Chef Posted: June 22, 2012 at 02:06 PM (#4163792)
Klose on top? That is boggling.
   1792. DA Baracus is gritty and hits with RISP Posted: June 22, 2012 at 02:08 PM (#4163794)
I wonder who will come in for him, though? He's at a funky age for a big money transfer and he means so much to Fulham they can't sell him for peanuts.


If they can't re-sign him then it's in their best interest to sell him for whatever they can get. I'd be surprised if he's at Fulham on February 1st without a new contract.

Have you seen any rumors that seem substantial?


I pretty much ignore rumors unless they're hilariously bad.

He's out of contract, though. I expected Fulham to make a big push to sign him because of that


It appears he is about to sign with Reading.
   1793. I am going to be Frank Posted: June 22, 2012 at 02:17 PM (#4163800)
Granted I'm not a fan of Podolski and Muller has had an up-and-down season but wow to replace them (along with Gomez) when they've played this well so far.

Maybe Low has decided that Schurrle and Reus give them a better matchup against Greece, because the bus will be parked. Anyone familiar with German football know what kind of players Reus and Schurrle are?
   1794. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: June 22, 2012 at 02:19 PM (#4163802)
Holy rotation, Batman!
   1795. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: June 22, 2012 at 02:39 PM (#4163813)
Woo hoo, I am going to see Spurs against Chelsea at the Lane.

The bad news is, Spurs are going to lose and ruin my trip. I'm already shaking my fist at those worthless losers. They're all shite and don't deserve to wear the shirt! Serioulsy, though, I imagine the tension is going to be a little higher than when I saw them play Wolves.
   1796. Mattbert Posted: June 22, 2012 at 02:39 PM (#4163814)
Reus and Schurrle are more technical and creative compared to the directness of Podolski and Muller. I can definitely see the reasoning for those changes; Low has to be thinking that Greece won't be giving his attackers much space to work in, nor will they be committing men forward in attack (meaning very few opportunities to take advantage of Podolski and Muller on the break).

Klose is better in the air than Gomez. I'm not sure how that works tactically, but Gomez has been fairly anonymous aside from his goals.
   1797. Mattbert Posted: June 22, 2012 at 02:40 PM (#4163817)
Woo hoo, I am going to see Spurs against Chelsea at the Lane.

I am shaking my fist at you. Did you go through Thomas Cook or one of those tout websites?
   1798. President of the David Eckstein Fan Club Posted: June 22, 2012 at 02:40 PM (#4163818)
My ouzo and I are ready
   1799. DA Baracus is gritty and hits with RISP Posted: June 22, 2012 at 02:42 PM (#4163821)
Woo hoo, I am going to see Spurs against Chelsea at the Lane.


Outstanding. When is the game? I want to put odds on if it'll be against Chelsea's latest interim manager.
   1800. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: June 22, 2012 at 02:43 PM (#4163824)
I am shaking my fist at you. Did you go through Thomas Cook or one of those tout websites?

It worked out that we needed a place for 2 nights because the holiday apartment we're staying in in Camden was only available to the 19th. So, since I needed a room anyway, I decided to Thomas Cook it instead of, erm, booking it.
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