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OT: The Soccer Thread: June

Euro 2012 Kicks Off!

Notable Early Round Matches:

Basically anything in Group B, which features teams currently ranked second, fourth, fifth and tenth in the FIFA rankings. That’s insane. Matchdays are June 9 (Saturday), 13 (Wednesday) and 17 (Sunday—Father’s Day). Don’t miss ‘em.

 

 

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   301. Sean Forman Posted: June 08, 2012 at 01:31 PM (#4151759)
I was feeling so smart for having Sokratis and then you guys all have Szczesny.
   302. Jeffo has an El Camino full of Rampage Posted: June 08, 2012 at 01:32 PM (#4151762)
I have Szczesny in T-Ball - woohoo!
   303. President of the David Eckstein Fan Club Posted: June 08, 2012 at 01:33 PM (#4151764)
Poland escapes by the skin of its teeth again
   304. Mattbert Posted: June 08, 2012 at 01:33 PM (#4151765)
Five people had Szczesny, including yours truly. 36 points right there!

Hopefully nobody had Tyton. That would be -6 for saving the pen.
   305. Swedish Chef Posted: June 08, 2012 at 01:33 PM (#4151766)
Hey, two correct decisions in a row!
   306. Swedish Chef Posted: June 08, 2012 at 01:38 PM (#4151771)
And meanwhile Katsouranis is quietly efficient. I think I have to accept there will be no Twatball trophy on my mantelpiece.
   307. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 08, 2012 at 01:39 PM (#4151772)
Is there no better target man in Greece than Samaras?
   308. The Kentucky Gentleman, Mark Edward Posted: June 08, 2012 at 01:41 PM (#4151773)

I realize Poland doesn't have much of a bench but it'd be nice if Smuda used one of his two remaining subs. Both teams looked drained.
   309. President of the David Eckstein Fan Club Posted: June 08, 2012 at 01:41 PM (#4151774)
Samaras is really more of a winger than a striker at this point and it's showed today. None of the Greek strikers are particularly good (I mean they dragged Charisteas out of the wilderness during qualifying even) - there's a reason they scored only 14 goals in 10 qualifiers. The Greek offense is basically "Grind away, keep a clean sheet, scratch a goal out somehow".
   310. Swedish Chef Posted: June 08, 2012 at 01:50 PM (#4151782)
Dammit Katsouranis.
   311. President of the David Eckstein Fan Club Posted: June 08, 2012 at 01:52 PM (#4151784)
Greece was lucky to survive the first half down only one, I feel like Poland was pretty fortunate to escape the second.
   312. The Kentucky Gentleman, Mark Edward Posted: June 08, 2012 at 01:53 PM (#4151785)

Oh well. Could've been much worse, could've been much better.
   313. Swedish Chef Posted: June 08, 2012 at 01:53 PM (#4151786)
Well, that wasn't a well-played game, but it's hard to complain about the drama.
   314. Baldrick Posted: June 08, 2012 at 01:58 PM (#4151793)
Yeah, that game was a lot more fun than I was anticipating. Not especially well played. But fun.
   315. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 08, 2012 at 02:06 PM (#4151801)
That game was good for drama, but the Greek team really is drab, no?
   316. Sean Forman Posted: June 08, 2012 at 02:07 PM (#4151802)
Does Michael Ballack last the entire tournament in the studio?
   317. Swedish Chef Posted: June 08, 2012 at 02:09 PM (#4151805)
That game was good for drama, but the Greek team really is drab, no?

They are a vanilla team with a topping of Karagounis.
   318. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 08, 2012 at 02:14 PM (#4151809)
They are a vanilla team with a topping of Karagounis.

In a way their plainness is kind of compelling, but they're slow, have no flair, and not much creativity. They're the sporting entertainment equivalent of wearing an itchy sweater.
   319. President of the David Eckstein Fan Club Posted: June 08, 2012 at 02:24 PM (#4151825)
As I mentioned above, the Greeks are designed to play ugly, although they only really accomplished their defensive gameplan in the second half and looked pretty ragged in the first. The offensive flair they showed at times in the second half is about as good as they'll get against strong opposition. They did the same in Euro 2004, only they were a lot more stout defensively and more skilled in general.

The best analogy I can think of is to compare Greece to the 49ers from last year - low scoring, aren't going to impress you with exciting or dynamic play, but they grind out wins.
   320. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 08, 2012 at 03:08 PM (#4151878)
Jerk-off. Ha! Keller must be an Archer fan.
   321. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 08, 2012 at 03:10 PM (#4151883)
Russia just keeps opening the Czech defense up.
   322. President of the David Eckstein Fan Club Posted: June 08, 2012 at 03:39 PM (#4151894)
Russia looks really good, like they did 4 years ago.

Disciplinary record of the Spanish ref from Poland/Greece this year: pretty colors
   323. I am going to be Frank Posted: June 08, 2012 at 04:04 PM (#4151913)
Arshavin looks inspired. The Czech team is constantly getting opened up on the counter. At least they got one back.

That wiki page with all the the ways you can order a beer in Australia is hilarious.
   324. I am going to be Frank Posted: June 08, 2012 at 04:04 PM (#4151915)
Oh and they couldn't get Seedorf? Ballack is terrible.
   325. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: June 08, 2012 at 04:11 PM (#4151922)
Kerzhakov does not have his shooting boots on today.

Jerk-off. Ha! Keller must be an Archer fan.

I am giggling every time Keller says that. I wonder if he can actually pronounce Zhirkov's name properly.
   326. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 08, 2012 at 04:12 PM (#4151924)
Kerzhakov can't hit the side of a barn today.
   327. Baldrick Posted: June 08, 2012 at 04:15 PM (#4151927)
Oh he could certainly hit the side of the barn. Assuming he was aiming for the goal, of course.
   328. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 08, 2012 at 04:18 PM (#4151928)
I wonder if he can actually pronounce Zhirkov's name properly.

He clearly didn't spend much time practicing how to pronounce names before this game. It's funny hearing Derek Rae say a name and then Keller saying it in a completely different way.
   329. Baldrick Posted: June 08, 2012 at 04:18 PM (#4151929)
From the Guardian liveblog:
"74 min: The inevitable has come to pass: Pavlyuchenko replaces Kerzakhov, who will presumably attmept to find a place on the bench but end up falling on to the grass."

Hehe.
   330. President of the David Eckstein Fan Club Posted: June 08, 2012 at 04:22 PM (#4151930)
That should be it for the Czechs. Russians deserve it though.
   331. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: June 08, 2012 at 04:23 PM (#4151932)
I'm disappointed that Dzagoev isn't "Jag-off".
   332. DA Baracus Posted: June 08, 2012 at 04:30 PM (#4151934)
Matthew Doyle says he would put this team up against anyone in the world.

I have a hard time agreeing.
   333. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: June 08, 2012 at 06:01 PM (#4151978)
This ref is ####### awful. Do UEFA and FIFA purposely choose the worst refs for major tournaments?

Actually, yes. I'm not even joking.

And sorry for not being around for the games, but my internet decided today was the perfect day to take a 12 hour vacation.
   334. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 08, 2012 at 06:31 PM (#4151996)
Steve Bruce lands at Hull City.
   335. DA Baracus Posted: June 08, 2012 at 06:45 PM (#4152000)
Tonight is Jurgen Klinsmann's first ever World Cup Qualifying game.

Starting at left back is Jose Torres. They'll win anyway but why not put Parkhurst there, since he's actually played the position before?
   336. The Kentucky Gentleman, Mark Edward Posted: June 08, 2012 at 07:09 PM (#4152008)

You can put Bocanegra there too. I guess neither Parkhurst nor Boca can do what Klinsmann wants out of a left back?
   337. Baldrick Posted: June 08, 2012 at 07:14 PM (#4152011)
It's very weird that the first game of this cycle to "matter" - tonight's opening of qualifying - requires a radically different style of play than what they're been working on in all the friendlies. Qualification requires us to act like bullies, win games of possession-football, and break down determined defenses.

Then, as soon as we get to the tournament, we are the weaker team trying to hold off the big boys.

Even though it would make qualification more difficult, I wish that some of the North American teams were closer to the South American ones in terms of quality. I think it helps the CONMEBOL teams a lot that they get 18 high-stakes games against good-to-very-good competition in this process. I just can't see how much it helps us to repeatedly work on breaking down Guatemala, Jamaica, Antigua and Barbadu, etc.
   338. Juan V Posted: June 08, 2012 at 07:21 PM (#4152020)
What, no Prague Spring references?
   339. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: June 08, 2012 at 07:22 PM (#4152022)
Speaking of Euro 2012, I'd kill for a Greece/Germany knockout round match.
   340. DA Baracus Posted: June 08, 2012 at 07:23 PM (#4152023)
You can put Bocanegra there too. I guess neither Parkhurst nor Boca can do what Klinsmann wants out of a left back?


Maybe, but neither can Torres, who is awful defensively. There is nothing to gain by putting Torres there, with Parkhurst at LB you can see how he fits into your picture at least a little bit. I'd be really pissed if I was him.
   341. The Kentucky Gentleman, Mark Edward Posted: June 08, 2012 at 07:33 PM (#4152036)

Well, at least 4 minutes into the game JFT is playing up so high he's basically a midfielder.

I don't want to sound too harsh but I wouldn't be too concerned with hurting Michael Parkhurst's feelings.
   342. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: June 08, 2012 at 07:35 PM (#4152039)
Nice work off the set piece, but that doesn't happen against quality sides.
   343. The Kentucky Gentleman, Mark Edward Posted: June 08, 2012 at 07:36 PM (#4152040)
Boca! Great corner from LanDo, great header from Gomez.
   344. DA Baracus Posted: June 08, 2012 at 07:38 PM (#4152043)
I don't want to sound too harsh but I wouldn't be too concerned with hurting Michael Parkhurst's feelings.


Yeah I don't want to make it sound like slighting him is some big deal. It's just yet another head scratching move by Klinsmann, who isn't the most popular manager from a player's perspective.

Goal Bocanegra! The avalanche hopefully begins.
   345. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: June 08, 2012 at 07:39 PM (#4152044)
I imagined the media for this being like in Football Manager where a national team leader calls for a demolition job.
   346. Baldrick Posted: June 08, 2012 at 07:50 PM (#4152053)
If US players were eligible for England, who would make the team? Dempsey and Howard for sure, right? Maybe not Donovan in some cases, but you'd have to think he'd be on the Euro 2012 squad. Bradley?

Anyone else?
   347. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: June 08, 2012 at 07:50 PM (#4152054)
Herculez, you gotta get that on target.
   348. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: June 08, 2012 at 07:52 PM (#4152056)
Donovan won't make the English team with giveaways near the box like that.

I'm enjoying the attacking from the US though.
   349. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: June 08, 2012 at 08:11 PM (#4152067)
Woo! 2-0! Now they can really focus on running up the goal differential.
   350. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 08, 2012 at 08:17 PM (#4152071)
Anyone else?

Dempsey and Howard. Donovan is better than Stuart Downing, Bradley is better than both Parker and Jordan Henderson and, though it's weird he's even on the team, I'd take Bocanegra over Martin Kelly. I'm not convinced Carroll is better than Hercules Gomez, either. Jermaine Jones would be an interesting argument, too. He's better than Henderson but I'd say he and Parker are neck and neck.
   351. JH (in DC) Posted: June 08, 2012 at 08:21 PM (#4152077)
Glenn Davis is a truly terrible announcer.
   352. Baldrick Posted: June 08, 2012 at 08:37 PM (#4152090)
Dempsey and Howard. Donovan is better than Stuart Downing, Bradley is better than both Parker and Jordan Henderson and, though it's weird he's even on the team, I'd take Bocanegra over Martin Kelly. I'm not convinced Carroll is better than Hercules Gomez, either. Jermaine Jones would be an interesting argument, too. He's better than Henderson but I'd say he and Parker are neck and neck.

Hmm, well the good version of Carroll is clearly better than Gomez' ceiling. And I think Carroll is going as a gamble that they'll get the good version. I mean, Crouch is pretty clearly better than Gomez, for example, but he's not going.

But those are a few other good calls.

I'm not sure if it says more about the decline of England or rise of the US, though.
   353. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 08, 2012 at 08:40 PM (#4152091)
I'm not sure if it says more about the decline of England or rise of the US, though.

A little of both and a little of weird squad selection by England. Plus I don't rate a lot of the Liverpool brigade as much as Hodgson and the FA do.
   354. The Kentucky Gentleman, Mark Edward Posted: June 08, 2012 at 08:42 PM (#4152092)

In hindsight Lichaj probably should've been included on this roster.
   355. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: June 08, 2012 at 08:44 PM (#4152093)
Bradley needs to grow some hair back.
   356. Baldrick Posted: June 08, 2012 at 08:47 PM (#4152094)
These announcers are like the crowd at a baseball game who freak out anytime someone hits a routine fly ball to centerfield. They seem wholly incapable of calibrating excitement level to the actual events on the pitch.
   357. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: June 08, 2012 at 08:47 PM (#4152095)
That's 3 excellent chances in the last 5 minutes.
   358. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: June 08, 2012 at 08:50 PM (#4152099)
Gooch sucks, huh?
   359. Baldrick Posted: June 08, 2012 at 08:50 PM (#4152100)
Ugh. And that's why Onyewu shouldn't be playing for the national team very much anymore. Yikes.
   360. The Kentucky Gentleman, Mark Edward Posted: June 08, 2012 at 08:51 PM (#4152101)

For whatever its worth here is the US' starting 11 from their first 2010 World Cup qualifying match:
- Brad Guzan
- Carlos Bocanegra
- Pablo Mastroeni
- Oguchi Onyewu
- Steve Cherundolo
- Clint Dempsey
- Landon Donovan
- Brian Ching
- Michael Bradley
- Heath Pierce
- DaMarcus Beasley
   361. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 08, 2012 at 08:51 PM (#4152102)
Gooch sucks, huh?

Sadly, I don't see how you can come to any other conclusion. Seriously, drop Gooch and bring back DeMerit.
   362. JH (in DC) Posted: June 08, 2012 at 08:53 PM (#4152105)
Sadly, I don't see how you can come to any other conclusion. Seriously, drop Gooch and bring back DeMerit.


That's...a bit of a stretch, although Onyewu's positioning was never good, and now he doesn't have the skills to cover for it. Cameron should be in the first XI, and it's time to integrate Ream and (when he gets healthy) Omar Gonzalez. Zak Whitbread deserves a look, too.
   363. The Kentucky Gentleman, Mark Edward Posted: June 08, 2012 at 08:53 PM (#4152106)

Oh and the US beat Barbados 8-0 that game. Doesn't look like that will happen here.
   364. DA Baracus Posted: June 08, 2012 at 08:55 PM (#4152107)
In hindsight Lichaj probably should've been included on this roster.


You don't need hindsight, he should have been there from day one.

Sadly, I don't see how you can come to any other conclusion. Seriously, drop Gooch and bring back DeMerit.


Or bring in Cameron, who is much, much more likely to play in the World Cup than Gooch is. This is a long term project after all.

To be fair, Gooch had two injuries this year, he probably isn't at 100%. He did have a nice season in Portugal this year when healthy.
   365. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: June 08, 2012 at 08:57 PM (#4152110)
HERCULEZ!

That's good persistent attacking.
   366. DA Baracus Posted: June 08, 2012 at 09:12 PM (#4152117)
These announcers are like the crowd at a baseball game who freak out anytime someone hits a routine fly ball to centerfield. They seem wholly incapable of calibrating excitement level to the actual events on the pitch.


Gus Johnson and Michael Kay are calling the game?
   367. Baldrick Posted: June 08, 2012 at 09:19 PM (#4152126)
Kind of a damp squib of an ending. But 3-1 isn't a terrible way to start. Not terribly impressed with them tonight but they got the job done.
   368. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: June 09, 2012 at 11:45 AM (#4152307)
I know I'm a bit late with my picks (I blame the internet), but since I know you have all been anxiously anticipating them.

Russia      Germany     0:
Netherlands 
Czech R     2:
Spain       
France      3:0
England     
Ireland     1:0

Germany     
Spain       0:2
Netherlands 
England     3:1

Spain       
Netherlands 0:
   369. Swedish Chef Posted: June 09, 2012 at 12:00 PM (#4152319)
So, no Huntelaar and both de Jong and van Bommel. Holland is really going for the Twatball trophy.
   370. Swedish Chef Posted: June 09, 2012 at 12:10 PM (#4152325)
Abysmal freekick by Denmark there.
   371. Swedish Chef Posted: June 09, 2012 at 12:20 PM (#4152332)
Robben should have tried to finish that himself...
   372. Swedish Chef Posted: June 09, 2012 at 12:25 PM (#4152333)
Well, that was a nice goal. And very much against the run of play.
   373. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: June 09, 2012 at 12:26 PM (#4152335)
Danish delight!
   374. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: June 09, 2012 at 12:26 PM (#4152336)
Hilarious. Literally 10 seconds after I said, "I just can't see Denmark scoring here"...
   375. zack Posted: June 09, 2012 at 12:27 PM (#4152337)
That was a horrorshow in your own box.
   376. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 09, 2012 at 12:28 PM (#4152339)
Bring on Van der Vaart!
   377. Swedish Chef Posted: June 09, 2012 at 12:37 PM (#4152341)
Lucky Andersen.
   378. Baldrick Posted: June 09, 2012 at 12:41 PM (#4152345)
Dutch defense isn't very good, huh?
   379. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 09, 2012 at 12:42 PM (#4152346)
The Dutch defense is wearing the clownshoes today. They look very vulnerable at the back.
   380. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: June 09, 2012 at 12:44 PM (#4152348)
Wow. How did the Dutch managed to bungle that chance???
   381. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: June 09, 2012 at 12:45 PM (#4152350)
Don't see RVP flub chances like that too often...
   382. President of the David Eckstein Fan Club Posted: June 09, 2012 at 12:46 PM (#4152352)
The Dutch look good going forward (especially given that they left VDV and Huntelaar on the bench) but their back four is a mess.
   383. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 09, 2012 at 12:49 PM (#4152354)
The Dutch look good going forward (especially given that they left VDV and Huntelaar on the bench) but their back four is a mess.

This feels like it should be a high scoring game but Van Persie and Robben aren't locked in. Affelay is impressive.
   384. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 09, 2012 at 12:54 PM (#4152357)
The best Arsenal player in the tourney so far has been Arshavin. That was inevitable, wasn't it?

Hey Roberto Martinez!
   385. DA Baracus Posted: June 09, 2012 at 01:01 PM (#4152360)
That's a low bar Shooty.
   386. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 09, 2012 at 01:07 PM (#4152361)
That's a low bar Shooty.

I don't know, of Arshavin, Rosicky, RVP and Chesney, who would have picked Arshavin to be the most impressive...so far. It's early of course so I'll take the irony while it's available.
   387. Swedish Chef Posted: June 09, 2012 at 01:08 PM (#4152362)
van Persie is snakebit.
   388. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: June 09, 2012 at 01:08 PM (#4152363)
Evidently, the change made in the Dutch locker room at half time was to hand out clown shoes to everybody ...
   389. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 09, 2012 at 01:08 PM (#4152364)
How have Holland not scored yet? It's not as if Denmark has looked good defensively, either.
   390. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: June 09, 2012 at 01:09 PM (#4152366)
Wow, it was almost the van Bomber there ...
   391. Swedish Chef Posted: June 09, 2012 at 01:12 PM (#4152369)
Denmark wants to be Brazil!
   392. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 09, 2012 at 01:19 PM (#4152371)
I forgot Eriksen was even in this game. Very quiet today.
   393. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 09, 2012 at 01:23 PM (#4152372)
Why are they waiting to bring on Huntelaar?
   394. Padgett Posted: June 09, 2012 at 01:23 PM (#4152373)
Heitinga can't get anything right today.

The Dutch have to start throwing more attackers on soon, don't they? Even a draw here is pretty bad.
   395. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: June 09, 2012 at 01:24 PM (#4152374)
Denmark's crossing has been awful. They've had players out wide in acres of space numerous times, and haven't produced anything even remotely dangerous...
   396. Swedish Chef Posted: June 09, 2012 at 01:24 PM (#4152375)
van Bommel is a reliable ####.
   397. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 09, 2012 at 01:25 PM (#4152376)
Van Bommel scoring points in twatball!
   398. Swedish Chef Posted: June 09, 2012 at 01:27 PM (#4152379)
They've had players out wide in acres of space numerous times, and haven't produced anything even remotely dangerous...

And for that Afellay should be very grateful. He doesn't do much of anything defensively.
   399. Swedish Chef Posted: June 09, 2012 at 01:28 PM (#4152381)
Nice shot.
   400. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: June 09, 2012 at 01:33 PM (#4152382)
Wow clownshoes everywhere!
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